Talk:Red hair

Electrical Pain Tolerance

Somebody is apparently a reddist, because the article is attempting to undermine the claim that redheads are less sensitive to electrical pain. When I saw, "vague" and "citation needed", I simply put in the keywords, and clicked on the first link to his article: http://wellness.blogs.time.com/2009/08/12/do-redheads-really-feel-more-pain-the-jurys-still-out/ But, how come I cannot edit the page? Can someone with an account correct this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.171.47.149 (talk) 07:43, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Here is another article backing that up, and suggesting red haired people might actually have higher than average pain tolerance, electrical being specifically mentioned: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/11/magazine/11ideas_section3-22.html - The study seems to be reering to pain in general, with electrical stimuli as merely the way the pain response was generated. Aindriahhn (talk) 22:41, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

I saw that, so I fixed the citations. Neveos (talk) 06:59, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Everyone, if you are looking to edit the pain tolerance section, do not use the phrase "pain sensitivity" because it suggests that redheads are more sensitive to pain. Only one study was conducted which showed that red headed women needed more anesthetic to withstand heat-induced pain, and this was only a specific anesthetic, while, as it says in the article, less is needed for another anesthetic; regardless, this does not conclude that they actually experience a lower pain tolerance, just that the anesthetic was ineffective. Multiple studies have been done on red-haired humans and mice, using shock and trauma, which shows that the mutation actually increases pain tolerance, as they do not withdraw as quickly. It was suggested that the gene actually keeps from inhibiting the interactions of endorphins and opiates in the brain which help cope with pain.

Scots

Wiki article says: Freckles are angel-kisses, it's a fact. :)

"Scotland has the highest proportion of redheads, as 13 percent of the population has red hair and approximately 40 percent carries the recessive redhead gene. Liz Hypes of Denison University, of Scottish descent, is the leader of the Denison Red Head Anti-Prejudice Alliance (DRHAA). A very successful organization in and around the Granville community."

but its reference actually says:

"As many as 10% of Scots and Irish people have ginger or strawberry blond hair," —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.239.20.56 (talk) 22:24, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

That 70s Show

I deleted "In That '70s Show Jackie's main target of insults were towards Donna's red hair". It was unsourced, and largely untrue. I have seen every episode of that show at least once, and have never heard Jackie rip on Donna for having red hair. She usually rips on her for being tall. --65.33.225.208 (talk) 17:43, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I've heard Jackie rip on Donna on her hair a few times. But the majority of her insults are about her tall Stature.Anonni (talk) 08:18, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Anonni's memory jives with mine.--75.4.202.97 (talk) 03:37, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

We can all agree that Donna is fucking hot, and jackie is pretty hot sometimes too..

Beards ?

I have a red beard and facial hair, but dark hair on my head and the rest of my body. I couldn't find anything in the article which explains what genetically might cause this. --Demonsforever (talk) 07:16, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

It is very common in Turkey what I am origin of. My brother has also brown hair with a red beard, i know at least 4-5 people with brown hair and light colored beards.

Hey, I had a beard of red, brown, and blond depending on what part of the chin, mustache, or sideburns it is. (I shaved it off on my 40th birthday (i.e., in 1998), but kept the mustache, which was a mix of light brown and red-blond.) But the hair on my scalp is dark colored. My ancestry is mixed European, and you have to go back to my grandfather to find a redhead. It appears that the myth of redhair being completely recessive is false. It is only partially recessive. The gene often expresses itself in the facial hair of males. Dexter Nextnumber (talk) 00:09, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

From Coon (I hate him, btw but no other resources):

The unexposed skin color of the Turks is mostly brunet-white or swarthy (von Luschan #11-16), the head hair color, in 90 per cent of cases, dark brown. Black hair, however, is found in less than 5 per cent, and blondism is rare. The ratio of dark brown hair is constant, except in the eastern provinces, where it is nearly 100 per cent. The beard hair is often lighter than the head hair; only 70 per cent are black or dark brown, while reddish shades are found among nearly 10 per cent. Reddish and blondish beards are by far commoner in the western and northern provinces than elsewhere, and are in these places found in one-third of the group observed. Zylan (talk) 14:57, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

My fathers facial hair is also orange, but when he still had hair, it was brown. He isn't of Turkish descent, so there must be some other genetic explanation? Littelbro14 (talk) 02:29, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

My family is from Mexican descent, and two of my family members have copper hair. One of my cousins, and my grandmother. Some of my uncles in my family also have brown hair with red facial hair. What is strange is that I have red/copper hair on my armpits. Exedous (talk) 10:20, 11 May 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.55.174.158 (talk)

My brother has a reddish colored beard. He just had a redheaded child. We haven't had red hair in the family in 3 generations. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.170.32.80 (talk) 12:47, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

I knew a rabbi with this phenomenon as well. I assumed that it was latent redheadedness coming out in the face.FlaviaR (talk) 11:43, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Maybe?

Perhaps including a picture of a certain notable red-haired lead singer from Guns 'N' Roses? (who ironically is also famous for being hot-tempered.) Only suggesting out of pure curiosity, doesn't mean you have to include it. --Crackthewhip775 (talk) 21:22, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Someone please do this...it would be cool. 10/10/2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.222.99.172 (talk) 01:34, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Wild historical innacuracy

In the section headed "Modern", there's a statement: "This matches the movement of the Celts and Picts as they were pushed westward and northward in Britain and Ireland during the Roman conquest of Britain, as well as the pattern of Viking settlement in the north of England".

The old fashioned view is that the Celts were physically pushed to the North and West by the Anglo-Saxons. It's widely believed now that the Germanic invaders formed a ruling elite while the majority of the population remained genetically similar, and that the displacement was more cultural than genetic. In any case, even if there was a physical displacement it was 500 years after the Roman conquest.

The bit about Viking settlement in the North of England doesn't make sense in context, it should be changed to "Viking settlement in the British Isles".

I don't have an account, so couldn't change it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.96.79.149 (talk) 10:21, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Another possible inaccuracy

If you scroll to the "Historical" sub-section, you see a row of pictures of historical figures with red hair. The last is mentioned as possibly being Catherine of Aragon, who was one of the wives of Henry VIII of England. However, I believe it is actually her sister, Juana the Mad, who was the mother of Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor and King of Spain. Compare this picture to the one in Juana's article, and I think you would agree. Raphael (talk) 22:01, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Citation needed. Fences&Windows 23:32, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

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Archive

This talk page had grown to be quite large. I moved all the apparently finished discussions to the archive. I stopped when I reached the last comment from June 2008. WhatamIdoing (talk) 02:33, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Hebrew mistranslation

In the section about red hair in Biblical times, there is a mistranslation. Adam, (אדם) the person, is spelled the same way as the word for person, which is pronounced 'a-dam'. The word for red, however, is spelled ( אדום). Words in Hebrew that are not spelled the same have no common origin. -A native Hebrew speaker 129.64.211.113 (talk) 22:00, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

If the words have the same three consonants for their root, then they may well have a common origin, or at least a semantic relationship. Adam and adom both have the same root (ALEF-DALED-NUN), as has the word adamah, "earth, ground". The bare earth has a reddish color, and in the book of Genesis it is written that God created the first human being out of the earth. -Another native Hebrew speaker --89.139.253.205 (talk) 18:16, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Redhead map

Hi everyone, I was wandering if anyone could make a redhead map for the article, similar to the one found in the blond article, so we can see what countries have the highest percentage of redheads per capita, I think it is either Ireland or Scotland, thought I'm not sure, thanks. Supaman89 (talk) 23:15, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

It's Scotland with 13% of the total population of redheads. Says so in the article. --Crackthewhip775 (talk) 00:45, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

It says so in Wiki's article but I took a look @ reference for it, it actually says, "As many as 10% of Scots and Irish people

have ginger or strawberry blond hair,"! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.239.20.56 (talk) 22:16, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Make sure you include Canada on that map since Canada has more red-heads than the US does. Canada also has more red-blond-brown heads because this combo occurs naturally among the irish, french canadians, germans, icelandics and ukranians (all common in Manitoba).

Nada (Fulla's friend) has very natural looking red hair.

Most of the actors who play the Weasleys in the movies have orangy hair rather than red hair - there is quite a difference between the two. There is also quite a difference between the fake red you see on many acresses (ie Xmen, Spiderman) and real looking red hair. 13:43, 14 April 2009 (UTC)13:43, 14 April 2009 (UTC)~~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.77.81.154 (talk)

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Spelling variant

"International readers are more used to US spelling"; utter garbage. Wikipedia policy is that either AmE or BrE is acceptable in articles which are not country specific, like this one. The variant should not be changed without consensus, so where's the consensus here? Incidentally, the very first edit used mixed AmE and BrE, but if you look at the early history the article settled down with BrE. Mister Flash (talk) 19:24, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Please be civil. I happened to edit this section and it seemed like the right idea to alter the spelling since I (as an international reader, albeit having completed my degree in the US) am used to AmE, as goes the standard study program for the English language in my country. Are you actually claiming that UK English is more common around the world? NotAnotherAliGFan (talk) 19:45, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, didn't mean to be incivil. It's difficult to say which version is more widely used: 300,000,000 in USA use AmE but there are many people in India who use Indian English, which is close to BrE. I know AmE is used a great deal in Israel, but the point is, as made by Martin451, we are told not to change the spelling on a page without good reason. Mister Flash (talk) 19:53, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

That reason is a rubbish reason to blanket change the spelling on a page. If the article started off as Br English, then it should stay that way. Martin451 (talk) 19:48, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Wow, didn't mean to incite all this patriotism :) Keep your spelling, all is good, let this be the worst of our problems! As Homer Simpson said once during a British award ceremony: "In your country, a homosexual is a poofter; in our country, a homosexual is a well known Hollywood actor whose name I won't mention because he might sue." NotAnotherAliGFan (talk) 21:29, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

@NotAnotherAliGFan. you've added a sentence about modern hebrew slang, but the meaning or significance of the sentence is unclear. Can you elaborate or clarify please? --HighKing (talk) 21:48, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

It's simple: incidental relevance. I've added this sentence right after mentioning of the Ancient Hebrew word (which, by the way, has been preserved to this very day as the literary term for "red-haired"). NotAnotherAliGFan (talk) 21:52, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

If it was so simple, I wouldn't have asked for an explanation. Which btw, is still absent. I know you added the sentence. I know you added it after mentioning of the Ancient Hebrew word. But why? For what reason? Why is it significant? --HighKing (talk) 23:04, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

You can add me to the list of those who fail to see the point of NotAnotherAliGFan's addition. I'm sure "ginger" has translations in many other languages. Do we add them too? What's so significant with Hebrew slang? The "Interestingly enough", apart from being an opinion, would suggest there's some importance to it, but I find it more a total irrelevance. I am, however, happy to have it explained to me. --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 19:05, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

It's curious that the etymology of the word was influenced by Ancient Hebrew, yet has influenced Modern Hebrew - kind of a cause-and-effect reversal. NotAnotherAliGFan (talk) 13:01, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Please cite the statement; "the etymology of the word was influenced by Ancient Hebrew, yet has influenced Modern Hebrew". Perhaps then this cite can explain the point you are trying to make, as everyone remains mystified as to what you are on about. Here's a start; when you say "the word", which word are you talking about? "Admoni"? "ruddy"? "Ginger"? "גִ'ינְגִ'י"? And which word has influenced which?? What you are adding is not clear at all.

If you cannot produce a cite then you are indulging in original synthesis. And as I said before; the statement "Interestingly enough" is WP:POV. Only once you produce a cite can we discuss if it is relevant enough to merit being in the English language article, when all other languages slang isn't.

Also; despite what you have repeatedly said, it is not a case of no-one should revert this until consensus is reached. It is a case of; you do not add it until consensus is reached. You added it a month and a half ago and it has continually been removed, and continually questioned as lacking a cite, and you haven't yet produced one. Your latest cite leads no-where that I can read and I doubt it verifies what you are say. --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 22:35, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

I thought NotAnotherAliGFan was talking about "Ginger", which is not derived from Hebrew, so I fail to the the relevance this interesting fact. According to wiktionary the etemology of Ginger is:

Late Old English ġingiber, from Latin gingiber, earlier zingiber, from Ancient Greek ζιγγίβερις, from Prakrit (siŋgabēra), from Sanskrit, from Malayalam ഇഞ്ചി (inchi), from Tamil இஞ்ஜி (inji) (directly).

Martin451 (talk) 23:15, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Red Hair in Japan??

I lived in Japan over a decade and never once saw a Japanese with naturally red hair. I think this assertion needs more back up than an obscure article from 1967. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.146.121.254 (talk) 01:59, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Conan O'Brien

Can we get a picture of Conan O'Brien on this page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.254.9.28 (talk) 00:41, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

The rarest colour?

The Evolution section has "Red hair is the rarest natural hair colour in humans." WP:Albinism states that about one in 17,000 humans has some type of albinism; this inclines me to think that the very pale/white hair colour of most albino people should instead be considered "the rarest natural hair colour in humans". I suppose one might argue that albinism is usually considered "a condition", and red-hairedness "natural", but they're both recessive traits due to entirely natural genetic variations. Nor would I think it fair to argue that albinism is associated with medical problems, and red-hairedness not: albinos can suffer from visual problems and increased risk of sunburn and melanoma, but then again one should note the Medical implications section in the Red hair article.

I'm not trying to be contentious here; I'm simply striving for accuracy. What do the rest of you think? Kay Dekker (talk) 18:47, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

You may have a point. However, surely you can have pale/white hair without having albinism. So the occurrence of this hair colour is not limited to just the 1 in 17,000 with albinism. --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 10:47, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Indeed so. A problem that the use of "rarest colour" exposes is that natural hair colour is a set of continua, not of sharply-demarcated categories. You're quite right in saying that the very pale hair of albino people does shade imperceptibly off into the "blond(e)" spectrum; on the other hand, "red" hair also shades into the "blond(e)" and "brown" spectra. But then "Red hair is the rarest natural hair colour" speaks firmly in the language of categories. How should WP express the idea of frequency when talking about such ill-defined things, do you (all) think? Kay Dekker (talk) 19:57, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Could we resolve this by saying "rarest natural color", or something that indicates that red-headedness doesn't spring from an abnormal (<< by which term I mean absolutely no insult to albinos!) condition? FlaviaR (talk) 11:57, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Modern fiction

Rorschach/Walter Kovacs is ginger as well - since Watchmen is one critically acclaimed novel, shouldn't we add him? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 17lswllstrt (talk • contribs) 01:18, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Question of disappearing redheads

The page dismisses the scenario of redheads vanishing from the human population as a myth, pointing out that the gene is not going to vanish. But since the gene is recessive, and since people of Scottish, Irish, or other redhead-rich populations increasingly marry outside their region of origin, the number of people with *two* copies of the gene -- i.e. redheads -- may in fact become vanishingly small. Shouldn't the page make this clear? 71.174.193.81 (talk) 16:23, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

What you are describing is an increasing dilution of the gene. The chance of any two individuals both having the gene may be reduced amongst a wider population, but a greater number will carry the gene. Actual numbers may decrease, but the potential will always be there. The article could describe this, but a cite would be needed. --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 17:02, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

well, according to the same logic, albinos should have become completely extinct, since that gene is both recessive and naturally selected against, and is also much older tham the red hair gene. But since there are still some albinos around, that should pretty much answer your question- yep, gingers aren't going to dissapear so soon...

Distribution

Some Native Americans(not really a whole lot, obviously) have red hair. And no, none have genetic influences from other people. Why is this not mentioned? As red hair can literally be found amongst every people. This is common knowledge(I think, or would hope).Anonni (talk) 08:24, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

1%-2% have red hair

Makes no sense. Since only red hair occurs in a small percent of the north-west european population and the diaspora of them. Some mod need to remove this nonsense. Maybe 100 years ago this may have been true. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.101.89.237 (talk) 18:46, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

These figures are cited. Have you anything to back up your statement? --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 23:08, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

well, acourding to the same logic, there shouldn't be any albinos left in our world today, since that gene is both recessive and harmful (naturally selected against) and much older than the red hair gene (exists amoung all ethnic groups). But since albinos still exist, that pretty much answers your question- yep, gingers aren't going to dissapear so soon...

Illiad

The word [Iliad] in section 1.1 is misspelled. The link works through redirection, but it could be fixed. Atterlep (talk) 03:14, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Fixed, thanks. --NeilN ^{talk ♦ contribs} 03:41, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Protected

I was just wondering why this article was protected, I was kind of suprised when I looked up 'Red Hair' and saw the padlock. Is it because of the spammer on the talk page or was there some other vandalism? Thanks 76.120.100.231 (talk) 06:30, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Other vandalism. The page is frequently targeted by people who think it's just the place to make dumb comments about people they know with red hair. Unfortunately it's still acceptable in many quarters to make insulting jokes about red heads that wouldn't be acceptable about other minorities. --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 16:46, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

{{editsemiprotected}} in the last sentence under "Modern" there is a missing space: "In Argentinaand Brazil" "please change "In Argentinaand Brazil" to "In Argentina and Brazil"" 09:27, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Done BejinhanTalk 09:39, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Some red heads turn blond with age

In the article there is a statement that red-heads' hair turn more brown with age. Sometimes it turns blond depending on the person. Also, I have mostly experienced people making good associations with red-hair. I thought I would mention that to balance some of the claims of "stero-typing" of red heads. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.29.7.178 (talk) 06:02, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Citation needed. Fences&Windows 23:31, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

I come from a family of redheads, and I can vouch for this. My older sister's hair was red hair and is now a platinum blonde naturally. Jcmcc450 (talk) 22:58, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

We still need a reliable source to cite. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 23:01, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Agreed, I was just throwing that out there to hopefully spur research instead of dismissal Jcmcc450 (talk) 02:11, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

not usually offensive.

Possibly a mention that calling someone ginger isn't usually an insult, just a word to describe a certain type of redhair....just the existence of blond jokes doesn't mean blond is an insult. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.2.194.46 (talk) 22:20, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Thats like saying "nigger" is a proper way to say "black person"... Jcmcc450 (talk) 22:59, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

That is an unfair anology, and you certainally could make your point without typing that word.--75.4.202.97 (talk) 03:42, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

yet people can easily type "ginger" and no one minds... Its only "unfair" due to the minority/majority thing. Jcmcc450 (talk) 02:14, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Caucasus, why there was not any information about this region?

My parents are from Caucasus and they have dark brown hair. I am redheaded guy with dark brown eyes. Also, my aunt from Caucasus, Grandma are freaking red-haired. Also I know some people from there with red hair too. I found some information in books on genetics, there was told that red-hair gene is saved better in small mountain regions with European race, because it is pretty olden gene of Europe people and in small populations its consentration is higher. So that in Scotland and Ireland and Scandinavian countries it is so high. In Caucasus it, of course, much rarer, but it is Southern-Eastern part of Europe. In the article there was nothing about this, why? I am sorry for my English, as you might understand, it is not my native language. --95.27.171.89 (talk) 12:14, 23 March 2010 (UTC)ArthurArthur

Famous Gingers

There ought to be a list of famous people with red hair Brett (talk) 03:19, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

There is nothing notable about having red hair and being famous, unless you are famous because you have red hair. Very few people match this criteria. This article used to have a list of "famous redheads", but it just got out of hand and a random mess, as these kind of lists usually do. So we don't need it back. --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 16:16, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

How about individuals like Carrottop? Without red hair, he would not be famous, ergo he is famous because of his read hair. Brett (talk) 21:00, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

By now there's at least this again: [[1]]. --VKing (talk) 02:57, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of redheads. I have a list here: User:Arichnad/List of redheads. ~a (user • talk • contribs) 03:09, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

caption error

The caption for the first picture in the article should be "a stunning woman with red hair". Say whatever you like, you know i'm right. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.186.127.88 (talk) 23:25, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Ragavan eelam, 28 April 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} M.I.A's video for Born Free has been banned by YouTube because it depicts a number of gun carrying 'soldiers' executing redheaded people in graphic detail. Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/hi/music/newsid_10080000/newsid_10087800/10087809.stm Video Source: http://showhype.com/video/m-i-a-born-free-video-official-real-and-explici/

Ragavan eelam (talk) 11:32, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Hi there, and thanks for the suggestion, however, I won't add it to the article at this time, for a couple of reasons;

• Firstly, the 'edit semiprotected' should only be used with a specific request, such as 'please add THIS to THIS section" (with references, etc)
• Secondly, I'm not sure that it is appropriate to add this fact, because Wikipedis is not for news items, and because we try to avoid trivia sections - please check those links.

If you would like to consider it, and perhaps come up with a specific request, then please do so below, and other editors can consider it and perhaps form a consensus.

Thanks again for the thought, which will not be ignored - others will see this too. Best,  Chzz  ►  13:38, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

 Not done

Stealth red-heads

I am English with dark brown hair, but if I attempt to bleach my hair using over the counter products, it turns bright ginger rather than blonde. Needless to say I only tried this once, and have refrained from making "ginger" jokes ever since. I was subsequently told by my former barber (sadly now deceased) that the red pigmentation occurs in the centre of the hair whereas the brown pigmentation is nearer to the hair's surface. Hence a stronger "bleach" is needed to overcome both colours. Perhaps the article needs to describe how the red colouring manifests itself, with a comparison to the more common brown and black colouring. 87.113.119.148 (talk) 23:43, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

minor edit to be done

In part 2.2.1 called "Origins", the 2nd sentence reads "The pale skin associated with red hair may advantageous in..." Can somebody fill in the "be" or "have been"? Ghettosauce (talk) 07:17, 9 May 2010 (UTC)