Talk:Mario Vargas Llosa

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Congratulations and thanks!!

Congratulations and thanks to everyone who has helped in bringing this article up to FA status. It's a real achievement. --jbmurray (talk|contribs) 21:21, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm confused here. I see many editors chalking up this as another FA (and it should be), but I haven't seen any edits yet to suggest it has finally been approved. Once such edits are in place, please link them. Many thanks, Geometry guy 23:01, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

You're just not looking in the right place. Look at WP:FA! Or see this recent change: [1]. Wrad (talk) 23:10, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! Lincolnchan98 (talk) 00:35, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Yay! Congratulations to the amazing editors who have made this into such a great article! I am really personally glad about this one (which is why I wanted to be sure above, sorry for the hesitation): it is extraordinary to produce an FA biography on a famous author in so little time. Massive kudos to the MMM project for making it happen. Geometry guy 00:48, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

And so you should be happy, Lincolnchan98!!  :) You did a great job here. --jbmurray (talk|contribs) 00:49, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Excellent work, guys! Biographies can be really difficult to get through FAC, and you did a wonderful job in a short amount of time. Karanacs (talk) 01:09, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Pile on congratulations! Wonderful work, all! Awadewit (talk) 01:24, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations Lincolnchan98 and all the other editors! I must admit, I was constantly watching this page to see who reached FA first. hehehehe. Either way...we all got there in the end! Congratulations! Carlaty (talk) 23:36, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Congrats on the FA, one of the things Wikipedia could improve is on world literature. (Just look at the pages for Vargas Llosa's majork works Green House and Conversation in the Cathedral. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.208.184.46 (talk) 10:56, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Infobox

Is there any way to change the colour of the infobox from green to something else? I was looking at some of the other articles and they have gray ones. The green looked nice when it was a GA but now it's an FA! Lincolnchan98 (talk) 07:13, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

• The infobox color is chosen by the pre-determined template. As far as I know, it is not possible to change it without changing all of the infoboxes in that series. (Another reason to dispense with the infobox!) Awadewit (talk) 13:19, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Lead section

The first paragraph of the lead section currently states that Vargas Llosa is considered one of Latin America's most significant novelists and essayists, and one of the leading authors of his generation. Some critics consider him to have had a larger international impact and world-wide audience than any other writer of the Latin American Boom. At the same time, the third paragraph of the lead mentions that Vargas Llosa is considered one of the major Latin American writers of all time, alongside other greats such as Julio Cortázar, Jorge Luis Borges, Gabriel García Márquez, and Carlos Fuentes.. It seems to me that this second assertion is redundant as it makes a similar claim to the one in the first paragraph; it even uses the same source as a reference. I think the above alluded sentence should be deleted or merged into the first paragraph. To compensate for this deletion it might be a good idea to merge the third and fourth paragraphs. --Victor12 (talk) 12:29, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree, and have edited the lead accordingly, also to reflect the article body a little better. --jbmurray (talk|contribs) 19:06, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Agnosticism

I have two citations if someone want to mention this in the text: [2] and Luigi Manzetti, Privatization South American Style, p.234. Oxford, Oxford University Press, 1999, ISBN 0-1982-9466-2. Biruitorul (talk) 06:55, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Images

OK, I've been sent three images by Vargas Llosa's personal assistant. I may need some help, however, explaining the rationale. I'm uploading one of them at the moment. --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 22:32, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

And, ugh, the plan is going to hell in a handbasket, because I'm getting the error message "The file has no extension (like ".jpg")." And yet it *does* have an extension.  :( --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 22:35, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Drat and double drat. Will try again another day. --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 22:36, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Neoliberalism?

In the "Later life and political involvement" section, the article currently states that Vargas Llosa has identified himself with neoliberalism rather than extreme left-wing political ideologies ever since. It seems quite unlikely to me that Vargas Llosa has ever referred to himself as a neoliberal as he has often said that "neoliberal" is a derogatory term used by opponents of libertarianism. See for instance the following interview by the Argentine newspaper La Nación (in Spanish): Vargas Llosa: "Nunca he conocido a un neoliberal". It might be better to switch the term neoliberalism with libertarianism, which is the best equivalent of the Spanish liberalismo. --Victor12 (talk) 02:22, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Here he identifies himself with "us, the 'neoliberals'" ("nosotros los 'neoliberales'"), albeit of course with scare quotes. He is at least identifying with those called neoliberals. There is a better source out there, I believe, as he wrote an introduction to a book on neoliberalism in the 1980s, but this isn't a bad start. NB "libertarian" is not really a good equivalent of "liberal," I'd say. --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 04:52, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

I would try my best to steer clear of the term, as it is a very hard label to use in an NPOV way, and seems to be a negative way of referring to those who favor free markets and small government. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 05:31, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

In the Cato article I think Vargas Llosa is using "neoliberales" in a sarcastic way, that's why he uses quotation marks around the word. If you check the preceding paragraph you can see statements such as las reformas liberales que nosotros defendemos, and según creemos nosotros, los liberales without quotation marks. I think it is clear he defines himself as a liberal in the Spanish sense of the word, that is a partidario de la libertad individual y social en lo político y de la iniciativa privada en lo económico according to the Real Academia Española dictionary. Now liberal in English is now identified with left-wing positions, maybe we should wikilink to the term classical liberalism if you think libertarianism is not correct. --Victor12 (talk) 13:03, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

No answers? Do we have a consensus on changing the term, then? --Victor12 (talk) 21:25, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Vargas Llosa and García Márquez

There is a parragraph that reads that Vargas Llosa and García Márquez have not spoken in the last 30 years, and it's quoted with note number 29. I consider that a myth, because five or six years ago, in the elegant neighborhood of Polanco in Mexico City, I saw them eating together along with their wives and joing them were Carlos Fuentes and Sylvia Lemus, as well as Héctor Aguilar Camin and Angeles Mastretta. It would be a good idea to confirm that quote. Otherwise, the rest of the article is very useful. Thanks!!! --Ciudadana (talk) 07:13, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Nobel Prize

A few questions should be settled before an FA article spins into total chaos. Should the Nobel Prize have its own section? How long should it be? Where should it be placed? Lampman (talk) 11:20, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

I personally would not make the Prize its own section. Rather, I would add a paragraph at the end of the "Contributions" section including the Prize citation and later information about his Nobel lecture, etc. It might also work as a paragraph at the end of the "Later life and political involvement" section. That section currently ends with mention of another prize, so it seems to fit, but I wouldn't really consider the Nobel Prize to be "political involvement" as such.--Danaman5 (talk) 11:52, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Here's a few things that could be included, whether it's a paragraph or a separate section:

• Vargas Llosa was informed about the award at his apartment in New York at 5 a.m. Initially he thought it was a prank. "It was a grand surprise," he said. "It’s a good way to start a New York day."
• He will receive the prize in Stockholm on 10 December. The prize money is 10 million Swedish kronor (1.49 million dollars, 1.09 million euros).
• He was awarded the 2010 Nobel Prize in Literature "for his cartography of structures of power and his trenchant images of the individual's resistance, revolt, and defeat".
• It is the first time the prize has been awarded to a South American since Gabriel Garcia Marquez won it in 1982. Lampman (talk) 16:20, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

I think an "Awards and recognition" section would be appropriate, where all his awards could be reviewed/listed. The Nobel could then be a subsection of that. BartlebytheScrivener (talk) 18:52, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Except a complete list of everything he's ever won could possibly violate Wikipedia:NOTDIRECTORY, which is unacceptable for an FA. Lampman (talk) 19:02, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Maybe you will find this more useful? - After the Nobel announcement on Thursday, Garcia Marquez - himself a Nobel laureate - tweeted: "cuentas iguales" ["now we're even" in Spanish]. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.45.65.76 (talk) 20:30, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

It has been confirmed this was a hoax, as unlike rock stars, Garcia Marquez doesn't have a twitter account.

Vargas Llosa's father's a busdriver?

Are we sure that his father was a busdriver? A friend of mine told me that his father worked for the airline Panagra. --Forich (talk) 21:54, 7 October 2010 (UTC)