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"Nigger-brown"

apparently, along with nigger black, this was a very common colour name in britain up until about the 60's as well, it talks about it in this snopes article, though i dont know if that will count as verifiable http://www.snopes.com/racial/business/sofa.asp

Merge 'nigga'

I'm the one that added the tag. Seriously, -- yes the two should be in the Wiktionary separately, but for an encyclopedia I think "nigger" and "nigga" are so closely related and "the same subject" that in my humble opinion they should be merged. I want some census on it, and if most agree I will do the honors when I have time. And P.S. this talk page could use some cleanup too --nezZario (talk) 03:48, 16 November 2009 (UTC) I approve this 76.17.166.253 (talk) 21:52, 6 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No. They are two completely different things, and don't let ANYONE tell you otherwise.--Knuckles, Angel Island Protecter (talk) 01:23, 28 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • How so? African American English replaces R with A, so nigga and nigger are really the same thing, there is no real distinction when used, if you say nigger an offended African-American might be outraged that you "Said nigga.". It's like on the Simpsons, somehow they can tell Itchy & Scratchy is a cartoon but the news guy isn't: They're both cartoons in our eyes. Gigith (talk) 19:41, 11 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I disagree with this proposed merge. As the other article points out, some english dialects pronounce the two differently and some pronounce them the same - so there is a real verbal difference as well as the written one. ϢereSpielChequers 19:49, 11 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I like wise disagree with the proposal to merge. The articles document the difference usages, with sources. Its not simply a matter of spelling. Rockpocket 22:27, 11 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • They are used as different words, but that is only because nigger is not how African-Americans tend to say nigger, they say it as nigga. The reason some people think nigga is less offensive than nigger is because nigga is how blacks say it, and a black person saying it is less offensive than a non-black person saying it. Putting on a fake Southerner/British/Whatever accent and calling them all stupid is no less offensive than saying it in your normal accent, and the words you use are still the same, only with a different, fake, accent applied to them. The reason people with those accents can insult people like them is not because of their accent, it is because of how they are a part of the group they're insulting. Gigith (talk) 05:55, 16 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • Same word[1], identical and overlapping usage[2] by same speakers. All that is trying to be done here is to distinguish between the historic racist use of the word to demean and the contemporary, in some quarters, use of the word fraternally. The word itself is the same[3] - connotative differences should be reflected within the article itself and not through the artificial creation of false entries based upon phonetic spellings. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.144.195.157 (talk) 16:41, 1 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It also needs to be added that nigger or nigga ( I think that its the same word) can be used as an insult among blacks as well as neutrally and in solidarity.

Please fix punctuation

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The following needs a minor edit under Usage in popular culture: "Michael Richards used the word nigger against a heckler during his stand-up comedy routine)[24] Dog the Bounty Hunter used the word in reference to his son's girlfriend.[25]"

It should read: "Michael Richards used the word nigger against a heckler during his stand-up comedy routine.[24] Dog the Bounty Hunter used the word in reference to his son's girlfriend.[25]"

Basically remove ) with . (Of course if necessary, further explanations of these two incidents can be added as well to explain the circumstances. But not required.) Thank you! 69.129.170.102 (talk) 13:17, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done, thanks for pointing that out ϢereSpielChequers 13:27, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

As a result of "Dog", his show was cancelled but later renewed. If it's of importance to the current already vague statement. Both received national attention. Appreciate it! 63.131.4.149 (talk) 10:38, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"Dog the Bounty Hunter used the word in reference to his son's girlfriend.[25]" This sentence is sort of generic. I realize "Dog" is popular, or otherwise this wouldn't be worth mentioning (allot of people use the word in songs, movies, shows, in private, etc.), but adding "which became public and caused Dog to lose his show temporarily", to the end of the sentence, would make more sense and give it more stability. Let me know your thoughts, or just kindly make the change...thanks! 69.129.170.102 (talk) 23:22, 10 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Hello, in Spain this word es "negrata".

Shouldn't this be moved over the Wiktionary?

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I don't understand why there is an article for this word, but not for many others. --64.180.0.32 (talk) 01:08, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There are articles for many other terms. --Ezeu (talk) 01:12, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Especially the fact this has a lot of encylopedic content & it's a controversial word. Definately needs to be here. --67.236.81.130 (talk) 18:17, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Moved from comments subpage - Pulp Fiction

In Quentin Tarantino's film, Pulp Fiction, there are uses of the word by both black and white characters. In one instance, Tarantino, playing the character Jimmie, asks a bloodied Samuel L. Jackson and John Travolta if they saw a sign on the outside of his house that said 'Dead Nigger Storage' because they had brought a dead black man to his house in their car. He sardonically reminds the hitmen that they did not see such a sign because storing dead niggers was not his business.


I believe it is also worthy of mention that "nigger" is also used in reference to white characters Butch and Vincent Vega (and Jimmy, indirectly) by Marcellus Wallace.

206.57.95.217 01:21, 23 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

-Hey, Sweet!

-Whassup, bro?
-It's timee for Smoke. The Johnson brothers will take that fat ass fool!
-Yeah, my nigga, you are my running dog!

(part of conversations between Sweet and Carl Johnson, two very known niggaz, from the GTA San Andreas missions "End Of The Line" and "The Green Sabre")

MOS guidelines on using this word in other articles?

Are there any style policies or guidelines regarding the use of this word in Wikipedia articles in general? I attempted to euphemize a reference to this word in a quotation from Muhammad Ali, in the Conscientious objector article, but I was reverted. I felt (and still feel) that words generally considered to be offensive (such as this word) should not be used in Wikipedia articles without a good reason, but I looked in WP:MOS just now and couldn't find anything on this subject. Any thoughts? Richwales (talk) 19:18, 20 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You shouldn't censor/euphemise quotes. –xeno talk 19:26, 20 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The relevant guidelines are WP:PROFANE and WP:NOT#CENSORED. The latter says that "In particular, when a cited quotation contains words that may be offensive, it should not be censored" (and I agree). I think the article needs to make it clearer why the quote is relevant though. — Matt Eason (Talk • Contribs) 19:51, 20 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe everything than anyone considers offensive for any reason should be removed from wikipedia. Why not remove this entire article. What on earth would make you corrupt a quotation? Fixentries (talk) 16:23, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Euphemizing it, as you say, only serves to increase the hateful power it can convey. As stated above, WP is not censored but even if it were, the larger issue would be that you're talking about a quote. Changing the text would make it no longer a quote - "In particular, when a cited quotation contains words that may be offensive, it should not be censored." (WP:NOT) ~ Amory (talk) 17:17, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Proposal of Merging Nigga into Nigger.

I am proposing that Nigga be merged with Nigger under a new category in the article. Nigga is currently a Start-class article and merging its information might bring this article up a grade letter. However I am concerned that this merging might make the article too long. (It looks too long as it is) Feel free to discuss your opinions and thoughts. JasonHockeyGuy (talk) 16:00, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well to begin with, you should probably at least notify editors of that article by commenting on its talk page. Secondly, this article we better be improved by removing many of the tedious pop-culture references and making it tighter, rather than adding more content from what is currently a short but appropriate sub-article. I don't think it would make this article any better, only longer. Rockpocket 17:29, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
No, I agree. I came to this article to read about usage in different conutries and actually did a text search on "nigga" only to find it was another article. DEFINATELY should be merged / redirected --67.236.81.130 (talk) 18:17, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. The two are far too closely related to not share an article. 24.184.200.190 (talk) 05:52, 19 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

SECOND PARAGRAPH READS: The word nigger has appeared in many films (such as in Blazing Saddles, which used the term to ridicule racism), television shows and songs. The word was also used in all stage productions of the musical Show Boat from 1927 until 1946. It is part of the original lyric to the famous song Ol' Man River, as well as of Cotton Blossom, the show's opening chorus. It was not used in any of the film versions of the show, but it was included in the 1988 EMI recording of the complete original score, featuring its original lyrics, orchestrations, and vocal arrangements. Musical theatre historian Miles Kreuger and conductor John McGlinn have both argued that the word was not intended as an insult, but rather as a blunt illustration of how whites at that time perceived blacks.


Aside of Blazing Saddles (this isn't the only example/movie it's used in), I recommend using additional references such as:

"The word nigger has appeared in many films such as Blazing Saddles (which used the term to ridicule racism), Mississippi Burning [4] and Fried Green Tomatoes (film)[5][6].

In the movie Die Hard With a Vengeance, after a bomb explodes in the early morning at the Bonwit Teller department store in New York City, a man calling himself "Simon" (Jeremy Irons) telephones the police claiming responsibility, and demands that they play a game of "Simon Says" to prevent any more explosions. Simon orders suspended NYPD Lt. John McClane (Bruce Willis) walk through Harlem wearing a sandwich board that says "I HATE NIGGERS"

Songs and Television shows are already included in this section of the article.

"Gimme a Break: Baby in the Family" is one episode where Nell Carter says the N-word after seeing Joey Joey Lawrence performs in blackface.

69.129.170.102 (talk) 21:57, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


I didn't see the mention of Talk Radio host Dr. Laura Schlessinger using the word and the affect it had in media. She was illustrating an example of how blacks commonly use it, not saying it as an attack/slur to anyone. Did I overlook it perhaps? Thought it might be important to include with the other examples. I also don't see most of the above info added/changed/considered. Thanks... 63.131.4.149 (talk) 08:29, 17 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

1st Amendment

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I'm removing

The reason for the lack of penalties in the New York resolution is that any attempt to impose a penalty for pure speech, not accompanied by any clear or present danger, would violate the First Amendment of the United States Constitution, to which the States have been subject since the decision in Gitlow v. New York. Merely because a group of persons finds a particular word or expression offensive does not provide the government with any authority to ban it. For example, a Vietnam-era era draft protestor was held, in the case of Cohen v. California, to have a constitutional right to wear a jacket into the Los Angeles County Courthouse that bore the words "fuck the draft."

which is not only incoherant abt the legal situation, nor only too broad for this article, but is partly and perhaps totally OR. The clear and present danger logic may or may not have motivated individual members of the body, or have been discussed in their public deliberations, or be stated in the resolution; the article should make it clear how one knows whether it was the case here. Since the author clearly does not understand the context in which the phrase is applicable, it would be reckless to assume they are right -- and especially so since facts about the intent of legislative bodies is far less likely to become established knowledge than it is to become the subject of partisan opinions that "the intent is obvious on its face to anyone who is objective [like me]."
Interested readers should consult the article on the phrase, but here's a spoiler: "clear and present danger" does not suffice for restricting speech; e.g. a clear and present danger of an ugly bout of competitive racial slander is not the kind of danger that the rule was, and remains, about.
--Jerzy•t 02:22, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Woman Is the Nigger of the World

How ironically this is discussed: under UK, attributed to John Lennon. I'm downgrading the ref to him there, reflecting the fact that its easily documented UK significance (her interview in a UK women's mag) is in 1969 via Yoko, not him, and that its easily documented US significance far outweighs that.
Under US, i'm adding his role in it, which so far is in its US context (outside of his pic apparently appearing -- perhaps on the cover? -- in the UK women's mag). As far as our article "Woman Is the Nigger of the World" knows, his role with it is that (when they both were living in the US), the record was released (and perhaps Apple involvement is evidence of otherwise unmentioned UK release) and included in the album pointedly titled Some Time in New York City, eliciting problems with US broadcasters, and defense/support by US political and cultural figures.
Did i say "ironically"? Yes, i said ironically. (And clearly i should stick to article pages when Craig Ferguson is on, since i can resist the influence there.) Woman says "Woman is the nigger of the world", in Britain, and 3 years later her husband says it in the US, and finally people notice. Notice anything about the status of women? Other side of the ocean may also be an enlightening consideration.
--Jerzy•t 04:53, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

strom thurmond

the reference to an article in the washington post is, i suspect, a misplaced reference to this article in the new york times http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/15/weekinreview/it-s-1949-meet-president-strom-thurmond.htmlJohnnyMercer (talk) 19:17, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Take this word off your webpage!!!!

I find this word extremely offensive and you guys should not downplay the significance of this word. This word should be pulled from your sight because every time i hear or read this word it makes my heart drop as if someone close to me has just been injured. 69.110.6.52 (talk) 05:54, 22 July 2009 (UTC)Johnny[reply]

Wikipedia is not censored. --Andrewlp1991 (talk) 05:59, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I find it highly amusing that people can be deeply offended by this word. It's a word, its sole meaning is "a black person," yes I know its history, but how long are people going to cling to the argument of slavery. It wouldn't be so bad except our society places a single ridiculous word onto such high regard where it can be used as freely as saying "hi" by blacks yet it is the worst offense when used by others. Such hypocrisy and stupidity is what leads to slavery and here you ignorants cherish it like gold.

Kev098 (talk) October 6, 2009 —Preceding undated comment added 06:37, 6 October 2009 (UTC).[reply]

The irony of such statement is that you choose to make the word controversial and/or racist. It's an open-source media, grow up. --Inspy (talk) 23:25, 15 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

oh please what a fail attempt to sue Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.177.187.45 (talk) 19:28, 9 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure why the above comment had to be posted/mentioned, but please be nice to each other, folks. I do think there is too much emphasis on this word and not other racial words that are equally as hurtful/negative. Should all be included in a discriminatory series and kept simple, not argumentative. Agree to disagree and leave it at that. Everyone has an opinion, but those can't be included within the articles. Facts/research only. P.S. Editor soapboxing examples above. (clearing throat) Thanks... 63.131.4.149 (talk) 08:35, 17 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Reference material or take out immediately

This is not an article that should have ANY unreferenced material, especially when applied to individuals - even deceased ones like the base ball players. Who knows who has made it up and put it in. I'll come back and clean out all unreferenced materials soon, so get hopping! Makes wikipedia look bad. CarolMooreDC (talk) 16:30, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Someone made a start anyway. Archiving all of 2008 Talk also is necessary and hearing no objections will do soon. CarolMooreDC (talk) 18:11, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Should a note be added to the top of the page?

Nigger is certainly still used as a racial slur, but it is also used as a word that means friend in common US culture —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.191.176.42 (talk • contribs) 17:45, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Discussed above at #common useage not as a negative word, but yes, it could use a mention in article. –xenotalk 19:48, 24 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

learn what it really is.

A nigger is someone who is ignorant, ignorant means unknowing, so get your facts straight, a nigger can be either black or white. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.224.122.115 (talk • contribs) 19:43, 24 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Source? –xenotalk 19:46, 24 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I have heard it used this way. With a source this should be added to article. Borock (talk) 07:19, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The defintion of nigger

THE DEFINITION OF NIGGER IS NOT, LET ME STATE, NOT A RACIST SLANG WORD TO OFFEND BLACK PEOPLE! Nigger is not a slang word that offends a different color. It is merely a word that means stupid or ignorant of that subject. Nigger can be used toward any color including Caucasian because we have brought the word to what we call it now and days but nigger does not mean offending to black people it is merely used to any color, any person, and merely if you do not agree that means you are a nigger...... I say that to everyone who is IGNORANT on the subject :) :)--Therightinfoforyou:) (talk) 20:27, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've heard it used this way was well, but do you have a reliable source that we can use to note this alternate usage? –xenotalk 20:30, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Up until recently, most (and some still do) dictionaries defined nigger as an indigent, poor and/or unintelligent person... predominately blacks (of African descent) because they were at one time ignorant and uneducated people whom whites had during slavery. Sources still verify this to date, especially older dictionaries by Webster. I suppose it would be no different than calling poor Ozark Whites a "Hillbilly", Southern Asians as "Deshi" or Indians as "Redskins". A word only becomes/became offensive as people took them personal, misuse them and/or overused them to mean something negative. Eventually, any word could be taken as offensive. For example (just a few), the history of words such as prude, diva, or anal (retentive) were all words that at one time were not considered derogatory but have been abused to the point of offense sometimes. Or like how people substitute words like "sugar" for "shit" to avoid "cursing" when in reality it's the same thing (an expletive). Not to mention how people misconstrue/misinterpret words that sound like a slur but means something totally different (such as niggardly, which I believe this article addresses already). It's important that this article expresses the "double-standard" of other slang used towards other races, such as "honky", "sand rat", "chink", "red dots", etc. and how they are equally offensive. Only time will tell the impact those will also have on other nationalities. (It's too bad that logic and truth are suppressed by emotions and anger at times. I suppose that's how human nature goes.) But agreeing with the above point, if people truly knew the history of the word, they'd realize that any race/nationality (color and nationality are two different things) could be considered a nigger. Unfortunately, black slaves were mostly called this and then it became a word of hate after their revolution and freedom. However, in history, Asians, Jews and Indians were equally persecuted and called - what we now consider - "racist" names. Nonetheless, African-Americans use the word as much as or more than any other race currently to identify themselves with each other, because it has become a "bad word" for other races to use it, unlike in the past. Still, in certain contexts, the word can be used by anyone to express a point or set a tone, such as in movies or scripted music and shows. In all fairness, to repeat them in that way, should not be considered "a crime" (punishable). As humans, in time, we have learned from our mistakes and progress/move forward. Perhaps I can "source" this again, as I have before, at another time. Thanks for the opportunity to share. 69.129.170.102 (talk) 12:59, 29 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Many years ago, the last meaning of the definition was first (or exclusive), only stating that black slaves were called this. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/nigger 69.129.170.102 (talk) 13:06, 29 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Additional examples, all supporting that it's not just related to blacks. However, I still haven't found a definition of it from the previous century. Either way, it's negative in meaning, if even about a "poor uneducated" person.

http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Nigger and http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/nigger

69.129.170.102 (talk) 13:15, 29 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

1960s and 1970s

The article says it was in common use until the 1960s and 1970s. Well. I was alive then and polite people did not use it. (Okay I was raised in a middle class Yankee family, but still.) Borock (talk) 07:21, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

German NEGER

In Germany Neger is still widely used and not necessarily considered "racist". German children love "Negerküsse" (Negrokiss), a type of large foam marshmellow covered with chocalate on a waffel, also called "Mohrenkopf" (Negrohead). In bakeries you can buy a "Amerikaner" which is cake with dark chocolate on one side and white chocolate on the other. Nice blacks are called "Neger" as where African drugdealers on German streets for example are called "Niggers" oder "Kaffer" (Bugs), this language influenced by American hip hop and rap videos. 78.52.174.226 (talk) 22:50, 3 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You seem to be the victim of one of those pranks we Germans like to play on foreigners (hahaha, so hilarious, btw): "Neger" has been politically incorrect in Germany at least since the 90s. Also, the word "Kaffer" is complete gibberish, you most likely refer to "Käfer" (which does mean bug), but if this actually does refer to drug dealing black people, it is extremely obscure and probably confined to a special slang. ANarc (talk) 00:21, 7 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Nonsense, "Kaffer" is regular word of my mother tongue - which happens to be German. It's hardly used though nowadays. --84.60.126.81 (talk) 18:43, 2 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

US Usage

"The pejorative, racist meaning has been recognized and criticized as such since the nineteenth century, yet remained in general global use until the 1960s and 1970s. In United States popular culture and slang, the word nigger remains current usage, yet remains a racist slur. Etymology and history"

What proof is there of this? Also note that the word "Nigga" is seen by a lot in the black community as not being the same as "Nigger", so at the very least the part "yet remains a racist slur" should be changed if it's talking about the more non-racist version. Though "Nigger" and "Nigga" are really the same word, just spellings of different accents. Gigith (talk) 04:08, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Why don't I see any mention to the fact for a period after the Potato Famine, the Irish immigrating to the US were frequently referred to as "Niggers"? This idea that the word is wholly racist and has only been applied to American Blacks is false. "Nigga" does not have the same meaning as "nigger", or rather it has a more focused usage in that while you may consider many people in your neighborhood to be "niggers" or poor, most often yourself included, your friends are often referenced as "niggas" more as a term of endearment. 22:42, 15 September 2010 User:192.12.88.11

Onomotopoetic

Nigga is NOT onomonopoetic. That section needs to be redefined. Mtkoan (talk) 07:08, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for changing the header, but "onomotopoetic" is still in the paragraph. Onomotopoetic means a word that sounds like its definition: Sizzle, hum, woosh. Nigga is, hmm, a coloquialism or abbreviation? Mtkoan (talk) 00:04, 7 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

illustrations

I added a couple of pd pix, because there had long been a call for illustrations, and I thought these would lend a sense of historical usage. It would be good if we could find some modern ones, maybe images of racist grafitti? I remember that the "Tom and Huck" statue in Hannibal Missouri at the foot of Cardiff Hill used the word on an official plaque when I was a child (1930s-1960s) but was changed long ago. Wish I had a documentary photo.

This article illustrates better than any other I know the wikiprocess -- a thorny, difficult, necessay topic with lots of disagreement, controversy, discussion, consensus and evolution -- good job, people!DavidOaks (talk) 03:16, 17 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Does anyone else feel that these illustrations might be doing more harm than good? Mardiste (talk) 22:21, 12 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nope. ×××BrightBlackHeaven(talk)××× 22:29, 12 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Typos

'remains current usage' should be 'remains in current usage'. I can't edit this page myself. HunsV (talk) 19:28, 19 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Black children

In some circles, the term "niglet" is used to refer to black babies or children. For example, "Aww, look at the little niglet." Matt2h (talk) 05:55, 20 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have a point apart from trying to provoke people? garik (talk) 16:12, 20 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia is not censored. If it is relevant it should be included. Also next time you might want to assume good faith, not everyone is a troll. ANarc (talk) 00:21, 7 March 2010 (UTC)(definitely not a troll)[reply]
Assuming good faith when the evidence indicates otherwise is foolish. It's well known that "niglet" is used as an offensive term for black children. Stating that it should be included in the article is one thing. Adding an offensive example like that for something that is self-explanatory is quite another.Mk5384 (talk) 08:21, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Not necessarily. Some consider that word/name for pets (ie. pigs/dogs) that may or may not be black. Depends. Piglet/Niglet, wiener dogs, etc. All depends on where you are from and who it's being said among. Overall though, it is not an acceptable/popular/cultural term to use as far as I know. 63.131.4.149 (talk) 20:13, 16 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Edits to consider, needed &/or required:

In the two paragraphs below (copied from the article), text about rappers (ie. NWA) needs to be combined with the Music section, not included in the Television section. (2Pac would be another popular example, as well as many others before his release of "Strictly 4 My N.I.G.G.A.Z." in 1993.) Also, the use of the word nigger by Dog The Bounty Hunter and Michael Richards were not actually done/said on television, although it was reported via said source. Perhaps clarity is warranted or a different section for it.

Music: Responding to accusations of racism after referring to niggers in the lyrics of the Guns N' Roses song, One in A Million, Axl Rose stated "I was pissed off about some black people that were trying to rob me. I wanted to insult those particular black people. I didn't want to support racism." [30] The Country music singer David Allan Coe used the racist words redneck, white trash, and nigger in the songs “If That Ain’t Country, I’ll Kiss Your Ass” and “Nigger Fucker”.[31] In the 1960s, record producer J. D. "Jay" Miller published pro-racial segregation music with the “Reb Rebel” label featuring racist songs by Johnny Rebel and others, demeaning Black Americans and the Black Civil Rights movement.[32]

Bob Dylan's song "Hurricane" makes mention of a 'nigger' framed for a crime. 63.131.4.149 (talk) 07:29, 15 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Television: In the British television series Fawlty Towers, in “The Germans” episode, the Major Gowen character used niggers to describe West Indian and Indian cricketers. In Saturday Night Live, comedians Chevy Chase and Richard Pryor say nigger and honky to each other in a word-association interview. Comedians such as Pryor, Redd Foxx, Eddie Murphy, and Lenny Bruce used nigger in their comedy. Contemporarily, rap groups such as N.W.A. (Niggaz with Attitudes), re-popularized the usage in their songs. Some episodes of Sanford & Son were censored and not broadcast, because Foxx used the word nigger. In a Mad TV sketch titled “Real Mother****ing Talk”, a [white male] character says “nigger, please” before other Black people, such as Xzibit. In episode 20 of the Family Matters second season, the graffito nigger was written on Laura Winslow’s school locker, and found a note addressed to her that read: “If you want to learn Black History, Go back to Africa”. Elsewhere, Dog the Bounty Hunter used nigger in referring to his son’s girlfriend. [33] The American comedian Michael Richards called a heckler nigger during his stand-up comedy routine.[34]


Additionally, there are other more popular movies which significantly used the word nigger besides "Blazing Saddles" that can be included in the Cinema section to expand it, such as "Shaft" (1971), "Mississippi Burning" (1988), "Reservoir Dogs"[7] (1992), "CB4" (1993), etc.

Cinema: The movie Blazing Saddles (1974) used nigger to ridicule US racism. In Kentucky Fried Movie (1977), the sequence titled “Danger Seekers” features a stuntman effecting the dangerous stunt of shouting NIGGERS!! at a group of black people, then fleeing when they chased him.

Not adding to article?

Thanks for your attention to this. 69.129.170.102 (talk) 11:33, 29 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. Contemporary is spelled wrong in the above paragraph:

... Contemporarily, rap groups such as N.W.A. (Niggaz with Attitudes), re-popularized the usage in their songs. ...

69.129.170.102 (talk) 13:29, 29 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Disregard correction about Contemporarily needing to be Contemporary. Contemporarily is used correctly in this context. Still, the other info mentioned above needs to be moved, edited and clarified/expanded. Thanks... 69.129.170.102 (talk) 02:30, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

booboo

date 4 january 2010 why do west indians ie jamaicans trinidadians batians call east/west africans Booboo/Booboos. Anyone care to enlighten me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.9.144.165 (talk) 01:03, 4 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see how that is germane to this article. Mk5384 (talk) 06:46, 9 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Joseph Conrad

  • Anyone who thinks that Conrad's use of the word "nigger" in The Nigger of the Narcissus is not racist clearly has not read that book. At any rate, the claim, "Nineteenth-century English (language) literature features usages of nigger without racist connotation, e.g. the Joseph Conrad novella The Nigger of the 'Narcissus' (1897)," needs to be excised from this article, as it is dead wrong. 13:56, 14 January 2010 User:68.44.232.52

Major POV issues

This article reads largely as something written by white Americans to lambaste political-correctness and to whine about the fact that black people can say 'nigger' while white people can't. For instance, the suggestion that the word 'nigger' was freely used without racist connotations until the civil rights movement "made" it racist is downright preposterous. For such a sensitive and historically important subject, this article is lamentable.

Severely lacking are references to actual scholarly works on the word and its cultural and political history, rather than random personalities, celebrities, and popular sentiment. In its current state, this article more or less expresses a slightly uneducated white American view about race relations in the US, complete with all of the expected resentment towards political correctness and the perceived "hypocrisy" that blacks still use the word. Somebody interested in the subject would likely gain more listening to a middle-aged man ranting about the subject at his local pub than he would from this article in its current state.

For this reason, I plan to add soon a POV header. Please feel free to express your own concerns or disagreements with my perspective. --71.235.239.166 (talk) 20:36, 15 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

For reference, the above was written by me. I forgot to sign in. --TimothyDexter (talk) 20:37, 15 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think you're describing a POV issue. I think you're describing a sources issue. I also think you're mischaracterizing what's already here; intra-group usage has a different social meaning from usage across group boundaries. That's well-known, well-documented for many groups, and recognizing it is not whining. Nor is the recognition that dominant group consensus found the term comparatively inoffensive until a period of increased sensitivity made it so. Dysphemic status is a social fact, rather than one of the natural world, and so it is quite unremarkable that the intensity with which a given dysphemism is perceived will vary with changing social standards. The recognition is an entirely neutral observation of social history. I have heard people express judgements on social developments much as you report, but I don't see it here on a quick scan. If ti's there, it's a fairly easy fix. DavidOaks (talk) 22:16, 15 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Niggers vs Niggas

This debate should be revisited. 24.184.200.190 (talk) 00:36, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
If you feel that it should be revisited, do you have anything to say about it?Mk5384 (talk) 15:24, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

IE. Nigger/Nigga please. 63.131.4.149 (talk) 07:22, 15 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request

{{editsemiprotected}} I plugged the chinese characters into the translator and it still says "nigger brown" 2 March 2010 Thfo (talk) 01:07, 3 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: Please state your request in a 'please change X to Y' level of detail. Thanks, Celestra (talk) 21:45, 3 March 2010 (UTC)[reply] 

 This sounds more like a problem with the translator than with the page.

Nigris

  • OK, we'll do this again...seems someone deleted my discussion post which I believe is gross violation of Wikipedia codes of conduct... I wanted to point out that I didn't notice the term, Nigris. It is the female form of Nigger. I thought that it should be included for completeness. 07:19, 6 April 2010 User:99.33.92.16
"Negress" was the term, and many years ago, was considered to be the female equivalent of "negro". It was never spelled "nigris", nor did it have anything to do with the word "nigger".Mk5384 (talk) 15:26, 27 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

References to foreign languages

The references to Hungarian, Swedish et cetera should be removed. The term "neger" has, in Scandinavia, been the formally correct way to adress a black person until just recently, where the term "Sort" (Black) is now more widely used, although anyone over 50 will still use "Neger" in a non-demeaning way.

Edit request from Ὁ οἶστρος, 2 May 2010

{{editsemiprotected}}

I can't edit it myself due to my status (I've been registered for a few days now, so I've no idea why I'm not allowed to contriubte to [semi-]protected pages), so someone else please edit the following two items:

1. old: "banned [...] the use of the word nigger; there is no penalty for using it."
new: "banned [...] the use of the word nigger; however, there is no penalty for using it.""
or: "banned [...] the use of the word nigger, but there is no penalty for using it."

2. old: "The 1930s movie The Bowery with George Raft"
new: "The 1930s movie The Bowery with George Raft"

ὁ οἶστρος (talk) 13:30, 2 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

 Done -- /MWOAP|Notify Me\ 15:31, 2 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks with regards to point #1, BUT the link for the movie title is still in the wrong format and thus doesn't go to that movie's entry but to the one for the eponymous street; please use the format I provided in my initial request. (By the way, any idea why I still can't edit articles such as this myself? How long will I have to wait?) – ὁ οἶστρος (talk) 16:24, 2 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Yay, I'm now allowed to edit. Just made the change. – ὁ οἶστρος (talk) 21:13, 2 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request from 76.181.182.190, 16 May 2010

{{editsemiprotected}}

The section on popular culture / cinema sites "Full Metal Jacket" as a movie reference. This section includes the line "As noted by Gunnery Sergeant Gerheim (R. Lee Ermey), "There is no racial bigotry here. We do not look down on niggers, kikes, wop or greasers, because here you are all equally worthless." "

The Gunnery Sergeant's name was HARTMAN in that movie, Not Gerheim.

Thank you.

76.181.182.190 (talk) 11:57, 16 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Thanks, Celestra (talk) 15:01, 16 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Godfather I or II? The novel?

Was the term used and edited from either of these flicks? The book? I have not seen the movies except on TV in a long time, nor read the book in a while. But it seems to me that it might have been used in part II by Frankie Pantangelo and in part I during the meeting of the mafiosi.--Jrm2007 (talk) 01:24, 27 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It was used in both movies. However, this word has been used in so many movies, that I hardly think that its use in these movies bears mentioin in the article.Mk5384 (talk) 15:28, 27 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well, GFI and GFII are important films and the fact that it is primarily shown with the word editted out is perhaps worth mentioning.--Jrm2007 (talk) 20:26, 27 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"Black" vs. "African American"

I have removed the statement that "black is the contemporary usage in the U.S., and is generally not considered offensive". African American has certainly become the "proper" term. "Black people", is, at best, politically incorrect, and indeed, considered offensive by many.Mk5384 (talk) 15:23, 27 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thats not true. It is only considered offensive by a small number of people, and in fact it was changed in order to denote that all other races have a similar style wording, ie. Spanish American, European American, and so on. Also, your comment that Africa American has become the "proper" term does not conflict with the statement you removed, which says "black is the contemporary usuage and generally not considered offensive". It does not say that it is NEVER considered offensive, and it does not claim it is the proper term. "Black" is used far more often in common casual conversation, and although "African American" is also used casually it is not to the same extent. Generally it is used in certain circumstances. If you want to change the statement to "Black is commonly used throughout the U.S., however as it may be offensive to some, African American is considered proper" or something along those lines. I wont make the change right now so that I can get a little feedback - because maybe I am wrong. However from where I stand, it appears that the statement did not say anything conflicting with what you claim, and what I do know for sure is casually in private conversation the term "black" is used far more than African American. And I have not seen or heard of very many instances of the term "black" being considered offensive by many - and in fact color is the most common way I've heard that "White People" are referred by. Perhaps if there are black (or African American) readers here, they could offer the input on "black" and its offensiveness, because I am not so sure there would be a source on something like that, I dont know I am too lazy to research it, thats why I am not making any changes. 108.2.103.208 (talk) 06:14, 28 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Possible additions

Anyone feel like incorporating specific examples of the term being as a general slur, like describing the locals while the US was occupying the Philippines or the Irish in America during the 1800's? Although the article is already a tad bloated. 76.99.20.72 (talk) 14:11, 24 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've read somewhere that the use of the N word in the Mikado was changed by Gilbert after they had taken the operetta to the USA, and discovered that it was considered offensive there. But I can't find the reference. Anyone help? Cerddaf 30 Jun 2010 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cerddaf (talk • contribs) 12:57, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If you search "i can read wikipedia" on google, this page comes up. Why is that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.237.39.120 (talk) 04:34, 1 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request from Qazqwezxc, 1 July 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} if you type in google: i can read wikipedia, and press I'm feeling lucky, you come up with the result nigger from wikipedia

Qazqwezxc (talk) 21:42, 1 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate.
Unclear what part of this googlebomb trolling belongs in the article. --Onorem♠Dil 21:49, 1 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request from 81.149.187.12, 2 July 2010

{{editsemiprotected}}

George Melly the jazz singer and raconteur used the regularly used the term `Nigger Minstrels` in discussions of jazz history on bbc radio and on television.

81.149.187.12 (talk) 13:02, 2 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. SpigotMap 14:15, 2 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

use amoung african americans

shouldnt it be included that it is used by some african americans amoung themselves? 69.115.204.217 (talk) 18:05, 2 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You clearly haven't read this article. futurebird (talk)

Use on 4chan

Used so frequently, I think this is noteworthy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.149.162.210 (talk) 16:19, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nigger Toes

Growing up in a family that came from North Carolina and that, quite frankly, was very racist, I heard the phrase "Nigger Toes" used to refer to Brazil Nuts. Would it be appropriate to add that to the "Derivations" section of this article? I don't have an external reference other than personal experience. Stagger415 (talk) 17:35, 17 August 2010 (UTC)stagger415[reply]

It certainly was known elsewhere (my mother reported it from St. Louis in the 1940s; here's a cite for Nebraska, n.d.[8] also said it was used of the candies I called "root beer barrels."). You need a citation; I don't have JSTOR access where I now amDavidOaks (talk) 18:45, 17 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Got one from Google scholar: Racism in Children's Rhymes and Sayings, Central Kansas, 1910-1918K Porter - Western Folklore, 1965 DavidOaks (talk) 18:59, 17 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Merge with variant

I think nigger and nigga are the same word, pronounced differently, just as "gangster" and "gangsta". Do we really need two separate articles?

Of course if I'm wrong, then there are sources which will explain why the words are distinct, but the first source I found [9] says it's one word with two variants.

Reminds me of "smoking" as in, "The steak came off the grill smoking hot." Or Jim Carrey saying, "Smokin'!" --Uncle Ed (talk) 03:23, 19 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Merge. Before MC Hammer had a show called Hammertime, the article was about his pop-culture catch phrase. Now it's removed and it only speaks of the show. The former info was merged with it then removed. So if we are talking about TWO different things and it doesn't get two articles, nigga and nigger should be in the same article but separated in it's own section as a different topic. I mean, this is just adding fire to the fuel folks (yes I know I didn't say fuel to the fire, I was being "ironical"! lol) Make a big deal about something and it will be a big deal. 63.131.4.149 (talk) 11:15, 3 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Additional literary reference of note

In literature, another notable example is the James Bond novel Live and Let Die which uses the "n-word" numerous times. In an example of censorship the title of Chapter 5 of the novel, "Nigger Heaven", did not carry this title in any American editions published between 1955 and 2002. Otherwise, though, most editions of the book have left the terminology intact. The movie version omits all uses of the word, though the word "honky" is heard several times. 68.146.81.123 (talk) 15:57, 19 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Usage in Russian Language

Folks, please, remember, that you are responsibile for what you writing on Wiki. If you are not sure about something, pls, don't write about it. In particular, if you are not a native Russian speaker, and know about it only from books or your university classes, please, don't write what you had heard about Russian language/ culture here. What is wrong in this article: 1. "which, despite its neutral denotation, is challenged" - in Russia this term is NOT challenged, because this is just a word, which denotes a black person. It doesn't have any derogatory meaning, and nobody is going to ban it. It is a part of Russian language. It is used freely. 2. "virtually-universal familiarity with US society’s racist usage of nigger" - almost nobody in Russia knows, what "ni**er" means. The overwelming majority of Russians are not familiar and don't care about racist problems in the US. The only English word a typical Russian (living in a city) knows is "fu**" (thanks to the Hollywood movies). 3. "Russian urban legends propose..." - What is the source? I never heard about such legends. 4. "chernozhopyi" - This is an adhoc offence, rather than a common slur like the N-word. Also, I believe, it usually targets people from North Caucasus, rather than black people. So, how is it connected with the topic of the article? 5. "for Asian people, the Russian language contains different, specific derogatory and racist slurs" - please, don't confuse Russian language and English language. In English language, I believe, there are racial and ethnic slurs for any nation in the World. In Russian language there are no such slurs at all. We definitely don't have anything, which role is similar to the role of the N-word, or of the C-word (for Chinese). In Russia there were never racial issues, and so a reason for any racial slurs to appear. Simple like that!

Usage in Bulgarian Language

In Bulgarian just as in all Slavic languages, there's no offensive word with the same or similar word as "nigger" in the US English. The word to describe a black person is "neger" [негър] and does not contain offensive or pejorative meaning. The direct translation of the term "black" does not have the same relation as the meaning in US, and is far from the meaning of a person with an African descent. It is pronounced as "negah" or "negar".


Restore ref to 'niggard'/'niggardly'

Archive 3 thread 4 mentions this, something apparently completely removed from the current text. Yes, it is etymologically unrelated however it is not so either in the popular consciousness in terms of either current usage or etymology and hence a debunking mention is called for. 72.228.177.92 (talk) 12:16, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I wonder if there re any sensible source for this? I would love to see some discussion on how these words are used as a stand-in or as a kind of "test" from time to time despite not being related. futurebird (talk) 14:26, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
(adjusted indentation, ignored typo). OED of course has the reference etymology for niggard, and there are plenty of literary references, Shakes. etc. 72.228.177.92 (talk) 15:18, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, because saying things like "nappy headed" or niggardly as a white when they aren't racist words and innocent people being fired when they use it in context to explain how blacks say the word or it's in music, etc. is not logical. I mean, Oprah said "honkin'" a few weeks ago on her show. Should she be fired, cus that sounds an aweful like "honky" to me and there is no sense in that!? (Oh, but I'm sure she didn't mean anything racist by it just like those who are educated use words like 'niggardly' correctly.) Like with children, women and race, it's always a one-sided double-standard but to make healthy articles, the "TRUTH" must be revealed and not be swayed one way or the other but nuetral. Just because they sound like a bad word doesn't make them one. I recall saying something about the "climax" of a song/show once and someone immediately thought I was talking sexual. I mean, really? See my point? Facts are facts and they should be included to enhance/improve and add to the articles transparency. One day, someone decided something was bad. Once a word affects someone else bad enough (of another race) we will say it's wrong too. We need to be ahead of it. New words/slang is created all the time, and eventually to avoid the stigma of this word, people will just create a new one to basically mean the same thing. Words like "white trash" and "whitey" are just as offensive. Yet in entertainment, we hear it and "laugh" it off. Life is living and learning from our ignorant mistakes, like slavery and terrorism. Thank you, have a nice day/night. 63.131.4.149 (talk) 11:05, 3 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Edit Request

In the article section entitled "Derivatives:"

The words "...his prolific use of niggerin tape."

Should be "...his prolific use of nigger in tape." (space added between words)

Or even better: "...his prolific use of nigger on tape." (unless, of course, it is a direct quote).

Stay Classy Wikipedia

Why in the world does an online dictionary need this article? This is a thinly veiled slap in the face to black people everywhere. Is there a page on "honkeys"? "Chinks"? Disgusting. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.61.68.154 (talk) 01:04, 3 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

When will "honky" and "cracker" and other hateful words towards whites as well as hate words against mexicans and arabs ("wetbacks" and "sandrats") be 'Part of a series of articles on Discrimination'? Let's be consistant before it's too late and years from now we are saying let's bury those other racists words. For that matter, words related to homosexuals, overweight, elderly and a bunch of others are discriminating, bigoted and hate crime/speech. Let's not just single out one race, that is what makes it so WRONG! My opinion is to "flag" those articles (slurs) as well. Thank you! P.s. Drawing attention them won't make them go away either. 63.131.4.149 (talk) 10:54, 3 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough. That template has now been removed. It had been added a couple weeks ago by a new user who also added the template to the Hipster (contemporary subculture) and Hillbilly articles. --Onorem♠Dil 11:10, 3 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
To be honest, I see no reason why that template shouldn't be here, and on those other articles as well. Or to put it another way, it seems reasonable to me that all the articles about racial, sexual, weightist (etc) slurs should be included in a series on discrimination. I guess that's something to be discussed on the talk page for the relevant portal. garik (talk) 11:15, 3 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I think the sidebar should be restored; it's a useful project. DavidOaks (talk) 11:25, 3 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I was more comfortable removing it from the one slur article it was still on instead of adding it to countless others without discussion. I have no opinion either way if another section should be added to the template for slurs. --Onorem♠Dil 11:28, 3 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Good points/ideas. Here are my additional thoughts: 1. Include a section about double-standards regarding the use of other slurs unrelated to nigger but just as "hateful" and how it affects other races. 2. Include other slurs along with the discrimination series that this one had been categorized as, not just this one. 3. Illustrate how (as per the "white nigger" topic below) other races consider 'niggers' within their own race, not just blacks (aka Africans - or other nations that blacks originate from). Give examples of what/how additional nationalities/races see themselves as niggers/niggas and why (if nothing other than a term of endearment among some). Thank you, and have a great day! P.S. I left examples out this time, and can source my discussion topics with other cites about these topics being essential/important in understanding the use of any/all racial slurs and it's negativity on an entire human race in general. 63.131.4.149 (talk) 19:30, 16 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Niggers referring to slaves from Niger and Nigeria

  • I thought the term 'Nigger' comes from the slave trade with Africa, bringing people from Nigeria and the country 'Niger' (right next to Nigeria) to USA for labor.
    Niggers should be people coming from the country Niger. The Niger is a river flowing through Niger and Nigeria. They named the river after the country, and perhaps in African history, Niger and Nigeria may have been one at one time. 23:24, 15 November 2010 User:98.254.64.146
Interesting idea. I hope you will forgive me for wikilinking the names of the countries in your post so I can give them a quick check out. Steve Dufour (talk) 15:52, 16 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
From Niger River: "It is often assumed, without evidence, that Niger derives from the Latin word for "black", niger, but it would have been more likely for the Portuguese explorers who first wrote this name on their maps to have used the Portuguese word, negro, as they did elsewhere in the world. In any case the Niger is not a blackwater river, which was the motivation for all other rivers that were called black. (See Rio Negro.) Some have rationalized that 'black' may have referred to the color of the people living on the river, but this did not happen to any other river in Africa. Therefore it would seem that the similarity between the name Niger and the Latin word niger is either coincidence, or that knowledge of Latin influenced the spelling of an indigenous name like "ngher." [earlier said to be the origin of the word]." So your theory doesn't seem right as the main source of the word, although the two things might have re-enforced each other. Steve Dufour (talk) 15:57, 16 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Could be a change in dialect and speaking errors over time. As other words in languages have origins from a specific place, as it's passed on, takes on minor changes eventually but still coincide and derivative of the same word. Biblical words are a good example, as they are translated later and may take on differences. Also, sometimes words are spoke in error and then take on different spellings later. (Ie. Tomatoes, tamaters, 'maters, etc. are all the same thing depending on where you live.) That could have been the case with Niger, Negro, Nigger, etc. Just a thought, but I agree with your analysis/theory somewhat. Makes plausible sense. Would require historical research. 63.131.4.149 (talk) 19:57, 16 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

there where people of portugal, and Spain that spoke latin, Roman Catholic did their masses in Latin starting from the rise of the roman empire, and it is possible that scholars also learned Latin as a secondary language around that time. Quite often adventurers where schooled individuals. Without assurance of this, but it would seem plausible that a Latin derivative is given to the name. But I can't say exactly WHEN Niger and nigeria have been found and put on a map, and IF, even if they where known for a long time, they did not undergo a name change due to increased popularity in travel by uninformed travelers. (kind of like the introduction of potato chips and fries. Go to England and to them chips are fries, and fries are chips).
The word 'Nigger' (with double 'g') as we know it was most likely invented in USA, as the original names (people from niger and nigeria) would probably be written different. (I suspect 'nigerians', and 'nigers'). via 98.254.64.146 @ 18:21, 18 November 2010

63.131.4.149 (talk) 06:37, 19 November 2010 (UTC) [added prior editors info above for previous two unsigned posts][reply]

  • nigger derivate from necro/necrosis "color"-no lux/chorume (latin word)!
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