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Serene Branson

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Article was hastily added after incorrect reporting of an on air incident. Proposing for deletion as a non notable reporter. Safiel (talk) 00:38, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete This is a just a local reporting flubbing about 10 seconds of speech, which is pretty minor. --Rob (talk) 00:43, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete – A WP:ONEVENT minor case of Paraphasia resulting from migraine. ttonyb (talk) 00:57, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak delete. She may well be non-notable under the applicable Wikipedia standards, but in fairness, it should be noted that last night's incident has been reported in hundreds of reliable sources, nationally and internationally, in addition to hundreds of unsavory gossip sites.[1] She has been around as a reporter for quite a while and might have a scintilla of notability apart from last night's scare.[2] However, I haven't been able to track down independent confirmation of the Emmy nominations mentioned at her station bio, and it appears to me that the "Frank Shakespeare Award" mentioned there is a student award given by the Institute on Political Journalism of the Fund for American Studies[3], and thus probably not anything that conveys notability. WP:BLP1E and some level of discretion here may suggest that deletion is the best course.--Arxiloxos (talk) 01:00, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • Even if we get 3rd party verification of the emmy nom, it probably wouldn't show notability, since it's probably a regional emmy, given for local news coverage. --Rob (talk) 01:32, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Do not delete There is no basis for deleting this article. Case in point: Caitlin Upton. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.102.220.252 (talk) 01:03, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • KEEP Don't you just love the way that Safiel determines that this beautiful reporter's prize is "not notable". And what have you won, Safiel? What national prizes have you won, you lazy armchair prat? This is a classic example of the talentless morons who dictate their biased and unfair views on Wikipedia. If you weren't posting on Wikipedia and if the internet didn't exist, you would never even have a platform to voice your worthless rubbish. No one would listen to your rubbish; just another smelly college student getting ready to join a workforce of sheep. Serene Branson is a beautiful young lady who has achieved a wonderful prize and deserves to be recognized for that honor. She also has a wonderful career in front of her, despite you nasty talentless male pigs wishing her ill. FACT: None of YOU could win the Frank Shakespeare award. Deleting her article is totally against the spirit of Wikipedia that Jimbo Wales professes to encourage while asking the public with his begging bowl to donate money. Please do NOT delete this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fairnessprevails (talk • contribs) 01:19, 15 February 2011 (UTC) This template must be substituted.[reply]
Comment – Fairnessprevails, It does not matter that you are new to Wikipedia, such comments are not only not appreciated, but they are not acceptable in any form. If you wish to contribute to Wikipedia, I suggest you realize this is a community of volunteers and understand you are welcome to disagree, but not become disagreeable. Please read WP:UNCIVIL before you continue contributing to Wikipedia. I will make sure you have been left a Welcome message on your talk page that contains a number of useful links. ttonyb (talk) 01:41, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment ttonyb your play on words, witty as it may be, does not help your case. Fairnessprevails is entitled defend his/her standpoint in this matter. If you find this disagreeable then I recommend you disregard Fairnessprevails comment. Others may find it completely valid. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.102.220.252 (talk) 01:57, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – My comments were not intended to defend my stand on the article, only to point out to Fairnessprevails lack of civility is not appreciated nor acceptable on Wikipedia. If you think it is, then I suggest you also read WP:UNCIVIL. Fairnessprevails is more than entitled to defend his/her stand; however, not in a manner that is offensive or WP:UNCIVIL. ttonyb (talk) 02:45, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]


  • Comment This personal attack by Fairnessprevails against myself appears to be the only edit by this editor. Moreover, he takes a swipe at Mr. Wales. Since he apparently has plenty of rope and seems to be intent on hanging himself, I won't say anything more about it. Safiel (talk) 05:10, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]


  • I'm familiar with the WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS essay, and did not say "Crummy article X exists, so this one should stay." Rather I noted that this article has at least a couple of in depth cases of coverage of the person, prior to the recent widespread publicity, and that prior to the recent newsevent she had a small claim to notability, along with the fact that this bio article has better reliable sourcing than thousands of article found in AFDs about the classes of article subjects I mentioned. Please do not clutter the debate by strawman arguments in which you put words in someone else's mouth. Edison (talk) 13:33, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      • The coverage is significant, sober, and serious - full articles in very respectable publications. Per Edison I think the question is whether a person with minor (which would imply keeping) or no (which would imply deleting or refocusing) notability, caught up a single news event, merits an article. That's a persistent issue. Whereas the problem is sometimes that the event itself is so trivial that no major reliable sources cover it, in other cases like this one the event itself is notable (or would be but for WP:NOT#NEWS concerns. Anyway, don't mind Tarc's colorful language. He/she is a good editor, just opinionated. - Wikidemon (talk) 08:31, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak delete. Putting the blinders on regarding the latest incident, she may be notable for other things, but the sources in the article do not establish that. Bylines, author blurbs and bios from the publisher, and passing mentions don't really add up to much. What we would need are profiles about her, or pieces in which she is the subject, or having won some major awards (two Emmy nominations might cut it, but I'm not sure). News reporters are always difficult to assess for notability, because as professionals the notability is in their work and how influential and widely viewed it is, like authors. But unlike authors, who seek publicity, news reporters usually try to duck publicity and don't write about each other, because they want to keep the story on the news, not themselves. As a local news reporter, I think she would only be notable for her work if it is particularly significant, influential, prominent, etc. Finally, the BLP1E and WP:NOT#NEWS concerns apply to the on-air event. However, Internet memes, and memorable events with lasting resonance, are certainly encyclopedic subjects. It remains to be seen whether this is such an event but it may well be. If major sources are still writing about this a month from now (and I'll bet they will be), then the event is notable and should be covered as such. That would imply renaming and refocusing this to be about the event, not about her. - Wikidemon (talk) 08:40, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I have !voted "weak delete", but I certainly agree with Milowent that this AfD should run the full 7 days; by then we may have a better idea of whether this is going to gain traction that would make notability more apparent.--Arxiloxos (talk) 19:49, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - If her entry is deleted, then all kinds of entries for local TV personalities will have to be called into question. If the Grammy flub turns out to be nothing, then it should probably eventually be removed from her article. I would like to point out, however, that the "Hoobert Heever" flub occupies an entire paragraph high in the article for Harry Von Zell.Bellczar (talk) 18:41, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – The existence of other articles has no bearing on this AfD. It could very well be they should not exist on Wikipedia. Also, I would venture to say that Harry Von Zell was much more notable than Ms. Branson and was notable for a quite a few more things beyond his "Hoobert Heever" flub. ttonyb (talk) 18:56, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Change to event article. If this article stays at all, it should be changed to an event. My opinion is that viral youtube videos, their re-mixes and any spawned internet memes are notable in their own right. Only time will tell if this person rises to notability because of the incident, but until that point this should be a page describing the event and the buzz it caused. Not an article about the person. --Lansey (talk) 21:46, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    We really can't count youtube and other viral video creations as assertions of notability though, those are user-generated/submitted things. Notability is established by reliable sources, and in cases where youtube, etc...personalities have become worthy of Wikpedia articles, it is due to them being covered by those other sources. EVEN RS coverage isn't enough for an article, as in this case it is only a WP:ONEEVENT single 15 minutes of fame. Tarc (talk) 15:22, 16 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. The NYTimes has already run an article on Ms. Branson's possible stoke http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/02/15/did-a-reporter-have-a-stroke-on-tv/ and the teaching possibilities of this because of it's rarely being caught on video and her young age. People will be looking for a Wikipedia article. Karen Anne (talk) 21:55, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. I pretty much agree with Tarc. If it wasn't for the recent event she would not be notable. The earlier coverage is neither substantial nor widespread, being typical local coverage of TV reporters. This would not have passed WP:GNG before, which makes this recent incident fit squarely into WP:BLP1E. Kevin (talk) 22:05, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Delete. If the only grounds for notability are the recent incident, WP:BLP1E applies. Looking at the earlier coverage, she's had some attention from reliable sources, but all pretty minor and cursory; not enough to pass the notability test, I think. The question to ask in these cases is 'if it hadn't been for the recent event, would we have had an article on the person?' and in this case I have to answer 'no'. Robofish (talk) 23:05, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. I watch KCAL/KCBS on a daily basis, and she is one of their lesser used reporters. Check out KCBS-TV and KCAL-TV; the only general reporter with an article besides Branson is Lisa Sigell, and that's because she's a former KCBS morning news anchor. The rest who have articles are anchors, weather, and sports; general news reporters are not-notable. Many of the keep votes so far put her into WP:SingleEvent. Other keep votes try to argue there's lots of reporters with articles, but the list at KCBS-TV and KCAL-TV refute that. Unless she becomes a national network reporter, she isn't notable; local reporters are generally not notable. OCNative (talk) 02:08, 16 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
See WP:OtherStuffExists, which shows as an invalid argument, "Delete We do not have an article on y, so we should not have an article on this. –GetRidOfIt! 04:04, 4 April 2004 (UTC)" Unscintillating (talk) 21:33, 18 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - This article seems decent and has multiple independent sources. Toa Nidhiki05 16:12, 18 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, her article would have gone unnoticed if it was written about her after the local Emmy wins. Plus, this incident is notable in the context in an anthropological sense, of how the internet can exploit someone's (at that point presumed) medical issue; someone researching the history of the Internet and culture and general, as of 2100, will likely find this (and other examples) to be interesting, valuable case studies. It's planning ahead, essentially. Also, we're the second result for Serene, it's important to that our slightly more rounded portrait be featured in search results, instead of misinformation. -- Zanimum (talk) 16:36, 18 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Were this just a viral video, she wouldn't be notable, but the level of continuing, substantive RS coverage is more than enough to demonstrate notability. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 20:25, 18 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per WP:BLP1E. Local Emmy is not enough for notability; she's just a news reporter who suddenly went viral because of one incident, and the incident itself is fiarly minor. The RS coverage only talks about the incident in question, not about Branson as a person herself. hbdragon88 (talk) 21:06, 18 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, notable.  Discussion above shows that there were two events, (1) the video of the event, and (2) the misreporting regarding a stroke.  Therefore the positions based on WP:BLP1E fall.  Also not mentioned is that KCBS is not an affiliate but one of the core TV stations that defines CBS as a "network" (see ref and CBS Television Stations).  Unscintillating (talk) 21:33, 18 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment  Please note Wikipedia talk:Notability (events)#Afd/merge discussions while event is current. ‎ Unscintillating (talk) 21:33, 18 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • delete as per nom and, as above the event is the focus, not the journalist. --82.41.20.82 (talk) 21:49, 18 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, for a few reasons. I understand the policies that others are referencing, but my concern is that some of this Delete-backlash may be coming from people disgusted with the sensationalist media circus surrounding this one event. This would be a completely different discussion if it were a random person caught on camera in the midst of a medical event, even if the news had picked it up and ran with it (because of WP:BLP1E), but that isn't the case. She is a reporter who has done other things and gained at least some notability during her career. I genuinely believe that the WP:N guidelines were not made with this kind of person/article in mind. I'm not seeing the harm in keeping the article and improving on it. Sure, this event is the focus now (it just happened after all) but with a few improvements the article would stand on its own. Also, it's almost certain, as a relatively young reporter, that she will be doing more things. I'm not using a crystal ball, I'm just thinking that unequivocal hammering home of the "rules" can sometimes cause people to completely miss the spirit of them. Maybe it's just me though. Personally, I don't have a TV, saw this reporter's name and wanted to read about her, bringing me to Wikipedia. Isn't that what we're for? *Vendetta* (whois talk edits) 23:55, 18 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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