Talk:The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword

Do NOT delete. The game has been officially announced and has a (tenative) release date. Faythoffenrir (talk) 15:22, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Just because it is "officially announced" and has a release date doesn't mean it can have an article. Just wait until more information is released. Once we have enough information to make a good sized article, then it can be separate. Why does it matter if the information is here or merged on another page? It still is covered somewhere, and the article WILL be made when more is released about it. _Blake ^{(Talk·Edits)} 16:09, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

That release date at the top of the page should be considered tentative. Zelda games are always delayed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.229.90.148 (talk) 15:39, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Article name

Might I suggest we ponder a different name to call the article?., I (and maybe others) keep confusing this with twilight princess. Ottawa4ever (talk) 18:57, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

The Legend of Zelda (2010 video game). That's what the image says and that's when it's supposed to be released, as good as any other (and at this point in time as relevant as anything else). Someoneanother 19:59, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

sounds good. Ottawa4ever (talk) 13:41, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Zelda XV?

Isn't The Legend of Zelda XV (or fifteen if you prefer) being used as the title of this game? Shouldn't that be the title, not The Legend of Zelda (2010 video game). I'm not sure if Nintendo itself is using the title or not, so I thought I ask here first. Thanks! 207.118.0.231 (talk) 00:15, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Zelda games have never been numbered by Nintendo, and I don't think this is any different. It's actually difficult to assign numbers to Zelda games, because it is not clear which games are main titles are which aren't (I.E. spin-offs, like Four Swords). Some people only count console games, in which case this would be number eight, not fifteen. Zazaban (talk) 00:23, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

That, and the latest Nintendo Power lists it as "The Legend of Zelda*", where the asterisk naturally means the name isn't set in stone. Digitelle (talk) 21:23, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

I have to agree with not using Zelda XV, since the last time they used numbered title for a Zelda game was Zelda II in the late eighties. I doubt that they would start now.--76.66.188.170 (talk) 04:05, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Release date will probably not be in 2010

According to this totalvideo games article, the release date will be 2010 but only in Japan. I thought it might be important this part:

"It seems The Legend of Zelda won't be making an appearance in Europe or North America this year, but could make it to Japan. In a list of forthcoming Wii releases, The Legend of Zelda is listed as a 2010 release in Japan but is missing from the European and North American schedules".

Judge yourself: http://www.totalvideogames.com/The-Legend-of-Zelda-unannounced/news/Legend-of-Zelda-Misses-2010-15209.html I thought it might be worth adding to the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.114.158.108 (talk) 09:15, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

More evidence is found on Here --Earboxer (talk) 19:39, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

We sort of knew that already. But 2010 is the first release date. If things are listed by release date, it would be by the first date, not the US date. How else would you choose between US and UK dates? _Blake ^{(Talk·Edits)} 19:42, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

If you Are talking about the article title this game will likely have a subtitle like every other zelda game since OOT so the relase date will likely not be in the article title when that happens.--76.69.168.53 (talk) 04:10, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Revision on June 8, 2010

I rewrote and condensed the article, e.g. removing the claim of The Legend of Zelda as a tentative name, when it is just giving the series title. I also removed the Game Informer news of the game being in development even before Twilight Princess was released, as it was posted in their gossip section and didn't list a specific reliable source. Should the image go down, this is what it says: "Most gamers are still making their way through Twilight Princess, yet our sources tell us that the next installment in the series has been deep in development for around a year. It's highly unlikely that Nintendo would release two Zelda games a year apart, but don't be surprised if this game comes sooner than you think." As we all know, "sooner" turned out to be pretty late, and given Miyamoto's comments, the game's development really started sometime in 2008 rather than 2005. Prime Blue (talk) 00:23, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Rumors

Perhaps this is just my inexperience with Wikipedia showing, but I think it would be a good idea to include an "unconfirmed rumors" section near the end of the article. (e.g. the wii.tv spoof video, the identity of the mysterious figure in the picture, and other such gossip) I've encountered (and circulated) a few myself, and I always find it interesting when I encounter them. However, I would understand and take no offense if a section about rumors is not appropriate content for Wikipedia. That's why I'm proposing the idea here, rather than shoving it into the article myself. MilesEques (talk) 04:44, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Indeed it is not appropriate to put any speculation on any article on Wikipedia. Take a look at WP:NOT (which includes speculation under "Crystal ball") to familiarize yourself with what's acceptable and what's not. Magiciandude (talk) 06:17, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

And that is just fine with me. I found that there's a rumor section on the "Zeldapedia." (This section probably shouldn't be deleted. Likely, I'm not going to be the last to consider the idea.) MilesEques (talk) 15:01, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Revision on June 18, 2010

In the Joystiq interview, Miyamoto does not refer to the land beneath Skyloft as Hyrule. It could be that Hyrule includes Skyloft, or that Hyrule is the land under the clouds, so I removed this as speculation until there is a definite confirmation on the name of the ground world. And I'd appreciate if someone found a source for the similar gameplay to previous 3D entries, with the less apparent dungeon/overworld difference mentioned.

Also, I frequently see people adding information and speculation from fansites. Note that Wikipedia articles require reliable sources for everything, so please take a look at the list of accepted sources before you post one. Thanks to everyone contributing to the article these days! :-) Prime Blue (talk) 23:29, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

No, if you watch the E3 press conference, Miyamoto talks about Hyrule near the end of it. 70.77.53.165 (talk) 01:50, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Gamescom

A single tradeshow appearance still bears no relevance on the development of a game. If some substantial new information is announced there and picked up by a reliable source, we can include it. Prime Blue (talk) 00:07, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

New Trailer

A new trailer was released on March 2 so if somebody wants to put a reference in to that with any new info that'd be great. I generally don't add new info because I haven't got a clue how to reference pages correctly —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.97.11.149 (talk) 00:49, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Release Date

I wasn't sure if this was a reliable date, but I know that I have already reserved my copy from Gamestop, and they said Nov 2, 2011. This article is from a website I don't know, so I thought I'd post it here and see what you guys think. http://www.thegamerbuzz.com/gamestop-leaks-legend-of-zelda-skyward-sword-release-date Vyselink (talk) 21:53, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Release dates from retail businesses are not considered reliable, because they frequently use "placeholder" or "best guess" dates. I'm unfamiliar with "gamerbuzz", but it looks like they're just forwarding Gamestops info on, so it's no different... Sergecross73 msg me 12:58, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, that's why I asked. I'm getting really annoyed with people putting in unsourced release dates, and have reverted at least two. Vyselink (talk) 23:53, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Composer

Apparently the latest Iwata Asks mentions that in addition to remastering the soundtrack for OoT:3DS, Mahito Yokota (of Super Mario Galaxy fame) is composing for this title. Anyone feel like adding that in? (source: http://mynintendonews.com/2011/05/26/nintendo-mahito-yokota-composing-new-zelda-titles/) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.113.208.186 (talk) 22:21, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

I've realised now that he is just credited for orchestrating the score but the composer(s) is/are not revealed. The information, however, is still helpful as we learn that the score will have some form of orchestral pieces. SimpsonsMan1234 (talk) 04:18, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Well, now the official composers are Hajime Wakai (The Wind Waker, New Super Mario Bros.) and Koji Kondo (Super Mario & Zelda Series). The source is found on page. SimpsonsMan1234 (talk) 04:11, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Release date II - the holiday season

I've been trying to work out how to re-word the phrase holiday season that was used for the release date. When I first read it, I assume it meant the Summer holidays and was thus rather pleased. Reading around I now know that "holidays" is US shorthand for what we would call "Christmas" over here. To avoid putting a religious holiday in - for obvious reasons of NPOV - I was trying to find a neutral term. "Winter" doesn't cut it. I've put in "late 2011" is that OK? I know holiday season directs to an explanation, but its not obvious from reading. Francis Davey (talk) 13:08, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

In fact holiday season is a redirect to Christmas and holiday season. Francis Davey (talk) 13:09, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

I suspected that "holiday season" would not be the clearest wording, though I initially kept it for the lack of clarifications from official sources. Now, I have changed the release frames throughout the article to "November or December", which may not sound too nice, but it is less ambiguous than "late 2011" or "end of 2011", and more definitive than the previous wording. Prime Blue (talk) 14:56, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Excellent. Translating vague date periods is a known hard problem so I think you've done well there. Of course we all hope that more precise information will be available sometime soon. Francis Davey (talk) 19:18, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

The only issue that I have with the "November/December" being added is that it is NOT supported by the reference given. Heck, the ref given doesn't even give something as vague as "holiday season". The only thing that I have heard, and please correct me if I'm wrong, is that it will be out in 2011. If Wikipedia is supposed to be verifiable, and there is no actual date or even month given in the reference used to support it, how can we in good wiki-conscience put Nov/Dec? Vyselink (talk) 21:50, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

My apologies. I missed the (read: November or December) part of the article in question. Mouth, look out, here comes foot. Vyselink (talk) 21:52, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

It looks like people are contiually changing this back and forth. I'm starting to think holiday season (with the link to the corresponding article) is going to be the better way to go, considering it's the wording in the actual source. Sergecross73 msg me 17:06, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

The source makes it clear that "holiday season" means "November or December" which is a more precise and much more useful statement. "holiday season" really only means that period to an American (possibly a Canadian I don't know) which is way too POV. The constant changing is not always to "holiday season" but sometimes to other designations like seasons (which are hemispheric). I can't see any reason why the fact that lots of people keep changing it means it should change. What is there at the moment (as of my last edit) is the most precise information we have. I cannot see any reason why we shouldn't put that well sourced bit of information in the article instead of something which is vaguer and POV. Nor has anyone suggested any advantage in going with the vaguer term. Francis Davey (talk) 19:52, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

I don't care whether the months or the season are used in the article, but if it's the season, "Christmas season" would probably be a good substitute that is easier to understand for international readers than "Holiday season". Either way, it's no biggie – anonymous editors just always seem to have this weird infatuation with future release dates. *shrug* Prime Blue (talk) 20:01, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

It's not a POV problem if it's literally, word for word quoting Nitendo. But hey, you're the one doing the enforcing on this one, so whatever you want... Sergecross73 msg me 12:49, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

In this case the quoted source states "November-December" so that is the most accurate information we have. If that wasn't there we might need to think more carefully, but "holiday" would then need glossing (and a link aint good enough). In fact the only changes away from Q4 (which I don't like, but I'll leave) has been in favour of "July" so protection was probably needed anyway. Francis Davey (talk) 19:44, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Page is now semi-protected, so it should be easier for you to find a clear consensus. Prime Blue (talk) 17:09, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

All of the sources I had come across just said "holiday season", I hadn't noticed this particular one specified months. I'm not sure that's what nintendo confirmed, but it's really splitting hairs. I have no qualms with what you're doing now. Sergecross73 msg me 00:29, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Ghirahem

The name of the game's main antagonist is Ghirahim. Should this be incorporated into the Plot section? http://www.joystiq.com/2011/06/11/the-legend-of-zelda-skyward-sword-preview-swinging-for-the-ski/

--ThomasO1989 (talk) 17:54, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 66.226.58.204, 28 June 2011

There was debate on using the terms "Fall" and "Holiday" in regards to release date.

"Fall" is exclusive to the N Hemisphere and "Holiday" is exclusive to North Americans.

I would like to see it preferably changed back to Q4 2011, so there is no confusion among the world's regions.

Using "November-December" is a little questionable, because a title with a "Holiday" date can sometimes be released in late October. 66.226.58.204 (talk) 18:25, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

At the moment it reads "Fall" after semi-protection, which must be wrong. Most of the vandalism has in fact been anonymous users trying to make it read July which is of course wrong on any analysis. I am happy with Q4 or November-December, but the source itself states "November-December". I'll replace "Fall" with Q4 and leave others to debate the merits of that over the quoted month range. Really you should get some reliable source for your Q4.Francis Davey (talk) 19:40, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

 Already done by Francis. I believe that since the source stated "holiday season" Q4 is a good and generic choice. Jnorton7558 (talk) 00:32, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

European release date

November 25, 2011 [1][2][3] wolfblake 15:06, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

I edited your information so you don't need a "reflist" at the bottom. Anyways, it looks like this is just "leaked" information, so it's not official confirmation, right? Sergecross73 msg me 15:13, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

SS team would like a worldwide release, Game is officially complete.

Can someone add that with this as the source.

Source:

says the team, in the interest of no spoilers floating about, is trying to get a worldwide release.

SS derives inspiration from Majora's Mask (Skyloft acts as a hub town à la Clock Town in MM).

SS is officially complete. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.44.254.105 (talk) 19:29, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

First in the series?

Isn't this game the first in the series? I don't see it mentioned. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheBradford (talk • contribs) 22:33, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

At first I was like "what the heck are you talking about"? Then I realized you meant plot-wise, not game-release-wise. Dx I don't think the fact that it is the first in the plot is reliably mentioned anywhere, or is too trivial to be mentioned here. _Blake ^{(Talk·Edits)} 23:46, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

The only thing that has been confirmed (in an interview with Eiji Aonuma in Official Nintendo Magazine) is that Skyward Sword takes place before Ocarina of Time. It has not been confirmed to be the "first" game of the series, for as Eiji Aonuma says: "Yes, there is a master timeline but it is a confidential document!" explains Aonuma-san. "The only people to have access to that document are myself, Mr. Miyamoto and the director of the title. We can't share it with anyone else! I have already talked to Mr. Miyamoto about this so I am comfortable releasing this information--this title [Skyward Sword] takes place before Ocarina of Time. If I said that a certain title was 'the first Zelda game', then that means we cant ever make a title that takes place before that! So for us to be able to add titles to the series, we have to have a way of putting the titles before or after each other."" (Official Nintendo Magazine (Future Publishing), pg. 51) Vyselink (talk) 04:50, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Skyward Sword is not cel shaded

How many times does this have to stated? Skyward Sword does not combine Twilight Princess or Wind Waker's graphical styles with each other; rather, it has it's own distinct style that resembles neither of them. If the game was cel shaded it would look significantly different. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.210.61.190 (talk) 12:18, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Unless a sourced stated it, I'd have to agree. Looks like original research. Sergecross73 msg me 12:31, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Gold

Why is the gold Wii remote not mentioned? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.0.33.220 (talk) 01:09, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

It is. It's written in the article's introduction. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 01:14, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Th Legend of Zelda Skyward Sword

The Legend of Zelda Skyward Sword have been rated A all ages in Japan. Can someone add it for me? Look at the Japanese website. I can not do it because it is lock.69.131.127.150 (talk) 20:01, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Australian release date

It seems as if though someone has already edited the intro to the article (along with an incorrect citation afaik) stating the Australian release date to be Nov 20 2011 as per the official website.

Two reasons I think it'd be prudent to wait for more information:

1. Australian games are always released on a Thursday (Nov 20 is a Sunday) 2. Australians don't use the mm/dd/yyyy format for dates as the website currently does. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.200.156.244 (talk) 04:32, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

The dreaded RPG discussion..

Do we really need a source for listing RPG as a genre?

The other Zelda games qualify as RPGs, so why not this one? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shepard Commander (talk • contribs) 04:18, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

As long as it's a separate game (It obviously is.) I would have to say yes. Sergecross73 msg me 13:12, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

What? I thought the only Zelda RPG was 2:The Adventure of Link. RPGs are where the player levels up. _Blake ^{(Talk·Edits)} 14:36, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

I think it's an age-old argument. I personally don't consider it an RPG either, but there's a lot of people who argue it is just because of some of it's similarities to action-RPGs. Sergecross73 msg me 14:43, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Even the article that Shepard Commander is using as his source for calling SS an RPG states that, with the exception (in the author's mind) of AoL, none of the Zelda's have been RPG's, and personally I would have to agree. Customizable characters are essential for an RPG (in my opinion), which is why I never considered AoL to be an RPG, although I can see the argument. It has a couple elements of an RPG (exp/leveling up, choosing between stats), but beyond that not much. RPG's are games like Skies of Arcadia, the Elder Scrolls games and the like. Games where the character can be a truly unique creation. The only reason I reverted Shepard Commander's initial RPG labeling was because the article, while interesting, does not have enough information beyond the first dungeon, and is, at the moment, incomplete. Vyselink (talk) 20:51, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Yes, the article states that AoL is the only "RPG" of the games; however, I was referring to the fact that Twilight Princess and Wind Waker qualify as Action-RPGs (according to their Wikipedia pages). If that is so, this game most CERTAINLY meets that category.

I don't care either way, but if we can't call this an Action-RPG, then maybe we should re-think the Twilight Princess and Wind Waker wiki pages (regarding their inclusion of Action-RPG as a genre). Shepard Commander contribs) 01:33, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

I think you're operating on a flawed premise. Just because another article does it doesn't mean it's right. Those may need to be fixed/changed as well. Sergecross73 msg me 02:53, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

I was suggesting that they need to be changed. Shepard Commander contribs) 02:19, 12 October 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.44.244.173 (talk)

Then you should probably discuss that at the respective article discussion pages. Sergecross73 msg me 01:33, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

I removed all the action RPG additions (with the exception of Zelda II since that has been stabley listed for years) since having action adventure on its own has been longstanding and stable as well as the fact that there is no evidence that the other games are in fact RPGs. In fact the only discussion on this issue I can recall was a discussion on the Phantom hourglass page against using the term Action RPG--70.24.211.105 (talk) 01:47, 12 October 2011 (UTC)