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October 12

Category:Variable-geometry wing

Propose renaming Category:Variable-geometry wing to Category:Variable-geometry wing aircraft
Propose renaming Category:Variable-incidence wing to Category:Variable-incidence wing aircraft
Propose renaming Category:Variable-sweep wing to Category:Variable-sweep wing aircraft
Nominator's rationale: All other subcategories of Category:Wing configuration are in the "Foobar aircraft" format. Changing these would conform to that standard, and also not look so out-of-place in category listings when used. The Bushranger One ping only 22:47, 12 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Valencia

Propose renaming Category:Valencia to Category:Valencia, Spain (city)
Nominator's rationale: Rename. Disambiguation needed as there is a city Valencia in the Philippines, the province Valencia in Spain, and the autonomous community Valencia too in Spain - see Valencia (disambiguation) Mayumashu (talk) 22:43, 12 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Sex trade

Propose merging Category:Sex trade to Category:Sex industry
Nominator's rationale: As Sex trade is just a redirect to Sex industry, I believe this upmerge is recommended. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 20:36, 12 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Iowa Stars

Propose renaming Category:Iowa Stars to Category:???
Nominator's rationale: Needs clarification...there are two Iowa Stars teams, the 1969-70 CPHL one out of Waterloo (Iowa Stars (1969-70) and the 2005-08 AHL one out of Des Moines (Iowa Chops). Purplebackpack89≈≈≈≈ 18:42, 12 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • There is no need to disambiguate at this point since there is only one category and it is very unlikely that there will be a separate category for a team that played for a single year in a very low minor league. -DJSasso (talk) 19:33, 12 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
FYI, the CPHL wasn't a "very low-level" hockey league...it was the highest-level owned exclusively by the NHL, and only the AHL and maybe the IHL were higher. You have no problem with me spelling out on this category that it refers to the 2005-2008 AHL team? Purplebackpack89≈≈≈≈ 20:24, 12 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
It was a pretty low level of hockey in this time period it was far down the totem pole as you mention there were at least two leagues ahead of it. Being sent to the CPHL was often considered the end of your career. Either way that is neither here nor there. My only point was that its not likely to get a category. But yes on the currently existing category you can certainly make it clear what its for. I have no problem with that. -DJSasso (talk) 21:30, 12 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
That there are two separate entities means that this should be disambiguated, otherwise, it should be deleted. Categories are not supposed to be grabbag collections of things with the same label. 70.49.126.190 (talk) 04:13, 13 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Irish-American organized crime gangs

Propose merging Category:Irish-American organized crime gangs to Category:Irish American gangs
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge to Irish American gangs, as part of sorting out a lot of Irish mob overcategorization. Irish American gangs is the larger cat. and this subcat does not serve to make things less ambiguous; what is the difference between a gang and an organized crime gang? RepublicanJacobiteTheFortyFive 15:34, 12 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Irish American organized crime

Propose merging Category:Irish American organized crime to Category:Irish mob
Nominator's rationale: Overcategorization; Irish American organized crime and Irish mob are the same thing. The main article is Irish mob and the category should match. The Irish American organized crime category has only one article in it: Irish mob, which is also in the Irish mob subcat. Alot of repetition here that ought to be sorted out. RepublicanJacobiteTheFortyFive 15:28, 12 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Fictional characters on the autistic spectrum

Category:Fictional characters on the autistic spectrum - Template:Lc1
Nominator's rationale: Arbitrary union. While being autistic may be a defining characteristic, it is not clear that being fictional and autistic is (especially for those towards the Asperger's side of the spectrum). Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) - talk 14:30, 12 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Applebay Sailplanes

Propose renaming Category:Applebay Sailplanes to Category:Applebay Aviation aircraft Category:Applebay aircraft
Nominator's rationale: Per categories of Category:Aircraft by manufacturer.-- Mike Selinker (talk) 13:31, 12 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - As far as I can tell the final company's name in this series (After Aero Tek) was Applebay Sailplanes, not Applebay Aviation, so perhaps a better name would be Applebay Sailplanes aircraft or if that sounds odd, since most of the designs in the series were produced by George Applebay acting as an individual or by Aero Tek then it may make more sense to rename it George Applebay aircraft designs. - Ahunt (talk) 13:50, 12 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Rename to Category:Applebay aircraft - conforms to the standards of the naming tree ("aircraft designs" wouldn't), while avoiding the "...Aviation/...Sailplanes" confusion altogether! - The Bushranger One ping only 20:35, 12 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I like that better. Updated.--Mike Selinker (talk) 20:47, 12 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Works for me. - Ahunt (talk) 21:38, 12 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Ships with ice classification

Propose deleting Category:Ships with ice classification
Propose deleting Category:Ships in Ice Class 1A
Propose deleting Category:Ships in Ice Class 1A Super‎
Nominator's rationale: Delete. There are several reasons why I have proposed the aforementioned categories for deletion:
  • Ice class is usually not a defining characteristic of a merchant ship (WP:DEFINING). Most ships calling northern ports are strengthened for navigation in ice — for example in 2008 47 % of the Finnish tonnage had the highest Finnish-Swedish ice class, 1A Super. While the ice class is usually mentioned in the infobox and perhaps in a single sentence in the article body, it is rarely discussed further. In most cases it is a trivial characteristic (WP:OC#TRIVIA).
  • The categories seem to be inclined towards the Finnish-Swedish ice classes and mainly list Finnish and Swedish cruiseferries even though probably a large number of other ship articles would qualify at least for the first category (see above).
    • While the Finnish-Swedish ice class rules are used to determine several technical aspects (level of ice strengthening, minimum engine power, winterization), they are mainly used to determine the fairway fees and availability of icebreaker assistance in the Nordic countries during the winter months, and have nothing to do with the actual operational capability of the vessel in ice-infested waters.
    • Although there are other ice classes, e.g. Polar classes and classification societies' own classes, they are usually reserved for icebreakers which already have their own category group. Tupsumato (talk) 18:40, 12 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Water ice

Propose renaming Category:Water ice to Category:Ice
Nominator's rationale: Of all the attempts I've seen to disambiguate a category, this is one of the oddest. The article for "water ice" is at Ice—it does not attempt to disambiguate from the slang term for diamonds, or the DC superheroine of that name, or anything else. On the internet, the term "water ice" seems to refer almost solely to a dessert in Philadelphia. Yes, I'm aware that ice can come from other volatiles, but do we need to segregate articles about dry ice and spin ice from this? I think we should just assume people know what ice is.-- Mike Selinker (talk) 13:09, 12 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Space launch vehicles

Propose renaming Category:Expendable launch systems to Category:Expendable space launch vehicles OR Category:Expendable space launch systems
Propose renaming Category:Reusable launch systems to Category:Reusable space launch vehicles OR Category:Reusable space launch systems
Propose renaming Category:Shuttle-derived launch vehicles to Category:Shuttle-derived space launch vehicles OR Category:Shuttle-derived space launch systems
Propose renaming Category:Partially reusable launch vehicles to Category:Partially reusable space launch vehicles OR Category:Partially reusable space launch systems
Nominator's rationale: Rename. Contested speedy. Parent category is at Category:Space launch vehicles, not Category:Launch vehicles, therefore the categories that are subcats of it should match its name if possible. If "...systems" is chosen as the preferred naming format for this tree, the parent cat and other subcats currently at "...vehicles" will be subsequently speedied, but "...vehicles" is nominator's preference, at least. - The Bushranger One ping only 09:34, 12 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Milestone Wikipedia articles

Category:Milestone Wikipedia articles - Template:Lc1
Nominator's rationale: Trivial and arbitrary inclusion criteria. Cf. Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2011_July_27#Category:Wikipedia.27s_oldest_articles. —Justin (koavf)TCM06:21, 12 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
It may be better, but would it be notable? In any case, such milestones are not useful for wikieditors.Curb Chain (talk) 18:41, 12 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
WP:USELESS isn't an argument for deletion. - The Bushranger One ping only 20:37, 12 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Mason marked structures

Category:Mason marked structures - Template:Lc1
Nominator's rationale: Delete. As currently structured, I don't see this as defining. Of the two articles in the category, one only mentions this fact on an image caption. It currently is for any mason's mark so it is simply a grouping of like named marks. Even if limited to marks of Freemasonry, it still may not be defining. Vegaswikian (talk) 05:15, 12 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Appears to be more of a tourist guide than than anything; one gathers from the text that on any structure of a certain age, the masons were likely to leave their marks somewhere, and this is really only listing buildings where they can more or less conveniently seen. Mangoe (talk) 15:05, 12 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Natib Qadish

Category:Natib Qadish - Template:Lc1
Nominator's rationale: The parent entry fails WP:N and is now at AfD. This category should not exist. Griswaldo (talk) 02:54, 12 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Tertiary Care Hospitals in Pakistan

Category:Tertiary Care Hospitals in Pakistan - Template:Lc1
Nominator's rationale: Delete There's no parent category Category:Tertiary care hospitals or Category:Tertiary referral hospitals. This is probably due in large part to the fact that the term doesn't have a precise definition. Pichpich (talk) 02:28, 12 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Places in Multan

Category:Places in Multan - Template:Lc1
Nominator's rationale: Delete The category intends to group together all things that can be characterized as a "place". But the term is quite vague and the structure throughout Wikipedia is to have on one hand a subcategory of Category:Buildings and structures and on the other hand categories such as Category:Populated places, Category:Visitor attractions, Category:Parks and so on for other "places". Pichpich (talk) 02:16, 12 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Pagan Studies scholars

Propose renaming Category:Pagan Studies scholars to Category:Pagan studies scholars
Nominator's rationale: Rename The simplest solution is to simply drop the capital S in "Studies". But another possibility is to rename to Category:Neopagan studies scholars or Category:Scholars of Neopaganism. I'm not entirely sure what's best though I have a slight preference for Scholars of Neopaganism. Pichpich (talk) 02:02, 12 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Henri Coandă

Category:Henri Coandă - Template:Lc1
Nominator's rationale - Delete: This category doesn't really seem necessary, including only the article on Coanda himself, the effect he described, two aircraft types designed by him...and an aircraft completely unrelated to Coanda aside from its making use of the Coanda effect in its design. All but the last can be links from his main article; the last shouldn't be in the category at all, and overall this seems like a bit of WP:OC. The Bushranger One ping only 01:27, 12 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Even leaving aside the eponymony, why is this category better than linking to the related articles in Henri Coandă itself? - The Bushranger One ping only 00:03, 13 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Because categories allow for declarative markup (I wish to join a set), not imperative (Here is the hand-coded list of the set of members). With categories, editors mark up the members, not the encompassing list article. This isn's specific to Coanda, it's a MediaWiki (or even broader) topic - doing it this way just works better, especially when categories are growing unpredictably. Declarative markup is far easier to maintain in such a case. Andy Dingley (talk) 00:28, 13 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]