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New book

You may have noticed from my recent hackings at James Valentine (rugby union) that I have a new book in my arsenal, a who's who of English rugby internationals. If you have any other articles where you are unsure if the player turned pro in 1896 then drop me a line and I'll try to see if I can answer your query. Cheers FruitMonkey (talk) 11:42, 5 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Here's one for the new book… George Marsden (rugby) won 3-caps for England (RU) in 1900, i.e. after the schism, and he also won a cap for England (RL) in 1905 whilst playing for Bradford (now Bradford Park Avenue A.F.C.), but which club was he at when he won his England (RU) caps? Best Regards. DynamoDegsy (talk) 10:03, 13 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Show off =;oD Best Regards. DynamoDegsy (talk) 10:24, 13 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The wonder of books. Apart from not being able to spell Fylde. FruitMonkey (talk) 10:27, 13 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Another one for you… where was Harry Bedford playing his club rugby when winning his England caps of 1889 and 1890? I have a Batley versus Morley R.F.C. conflict. Best Regards. DynamoDegsy (talk) 12:12, 13 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have no information of him switching to League. He was Morley for all three of his caps, so I think he was Batley first then Morley. FruitMonkey (talk) 14:28, 13 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

And another one for you… there's a redlink to Colin Hall (rugby union) on the List of England national rugby union players article, the espnscrum website names him as Colin, but the Gloucester Rugby Hall of Fame names him as Charles. He appears to be the older brother of "one of my chaps", named Billy Hall. Any clues in the book? Best Regards. DynamoDegsy (talk) 18:46, 24 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I've added a couple of queries about Penydarren Park, and John Bevan (rugby) above, but here'e one for your book. Samuel Houghton won two caps for England (RU), but his second cap was won in 1896, 4-months after the club he played for; Runcorn had turned professional. So which club was he at when he won his second cap? Best Regards. DynamoDegsy (talk) 17:43, 15 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Eric Boon

I've looked into your query on Talk:Eric Boon and it appears that this match was indeed the first boxing match to be shown live on television, both on BBC television and via the same live relay in a few cinemas (via massive screens). Thought that was quite interesting for 1939. Bob talk 00:49, 17 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

A bit of advice please

You're a man who's had a lot of stuff in DYK - can you give me some advice? I'm thinking of doing a little article on Barry Holmes, 4 caps for England in 1949. My idea for a DYK hook would be that he is the only man to have been capped at senior level by both England and Argentina - is that worth a try? (no pun intended!)--Bcp67 (talk) 19:05, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your comment. I'll give the article a go, although in truth most of the info is in the scrum.com article so it'll be more of a paraphrase than anything truly original. You'll have noticed that Clem Thomas appeared again, maybe not to your liking...--Bcp67 (talk) 20:04, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

High Sheriff of Warwickshire

Help. I've recently been updating the article on Sewallis Shirley (MP) and the Peerage has him as HS of Warwickshire for 1884, but the current list does not list him at all. Do you know which is correct? Thanks in advance FruitMonkey (talk) 09:06, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

I can throw some light: the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography has him High Sheriff in 1884, but of County Monaghan. Charles Matthews (talk) 09:11, 20 April 2011 (UTC) The actual quote is:

Shirley, Sewallis Evelyn (1844–1904), politician and founder of the Kennel Club, was born at Ettington Park, Stratford upon Avon, Warwickshire, on 15 July 1844, the only son (there were three daughters) of Evelyn Philip Shirley (1812–1882), landowner, politician, and antiquary, and his wife, Mary Clara Elizabeth (1823–1894), eldest daughter of Sir Edmund Hungerford Lechmere. After schooling at Eton College, he matriculated at Christ Church, Oxford, in 1864, but did not take a degree. His family had a large estate at Lough Fea, Carrickmacross, co. Monaghan, Ireland, and in 1868—still in his his early twenties—he was elected Conservative MP for co. Monaghan, a constituency previously represented by his father. Pledged to defend the protestant constitution, he spoke only rarely in the House of Commons, and lost the seat in 1880, when Liberal supporters of tenants' rights were successful. He was heavily defeated when he stood against an Irish nationalist for the southern division of co. Monaghan in 1885. He was involved in local affairs, as a justice of the peace, deputy lieutenant, and high sheriff (1884) in co. Monaghan, but relations with the tenant farmers on his Irish estates, which he inherited in 1882, were very poor. In the agricultural depression of the 1880s there were many forced evictions, which led to the Shirley estate being a target of the nationalists' Plan of Campaign in 1887.


Hi

This description from County Families does not mention either:


SHIRLEY, Capt. Evelyn Charles, of Ettington Park, Warwickshire ; and of Lough Fea, aud Shirley House, co. Monaghan. Only son of Sewallis Evelyn Shirley, Esq., M.P., .J.P. and D.L., of Ettington Park, and of Lough Fea, and Shirley House, who d. 1904, by Emily Jean, who (1 1918, elder dau. of the late Col. William Macdonald Colijuhoun-Farquharson-Macdonald, J.P.and D.L.,of St. Martin's Abbey, Perthshire; b. 1889. Capt. Shirley, who was educated at Eton and at Ch. Ch., Oxford (B.A. 1911), is a Magistrate for oo. Monaghan ( High Sheriff 1914), Capt. Warwickshire Yeo., Lord of the Manor of Ettington, and Patron of 2 livings. —h'.ttington Park, Straiford-on-Avon ; Lough Fea, Cai-rickmacross, co. Monaglian. Plucas58 (talk) 10:04, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the award. Will be adding many more over the coming days...♦ Dr. Blofeld 22:04, 21 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed your biography, excellent work. Actually I spotted his entry in some old dictionaries of welsh biography in google books of which I'm certain massive amounts are missing, especially pre 19th century.. Tha's the spirit of wikipedia you create the village he was born in, I expand it and in turn create Dyfnant Forest. The best way to build us.. If there are any Welsh historical topics or villages you want started/expanded or collaborate with just let me know. User:Rosiestep also has a keen interest in Welsh and Scottish heritage and in DYKs and would likely help. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:59, 22 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Added more info to DYK submission

Hi I've added more information to the article now and it meets the criteria for DYK. See: Template talk:Did you know#Bruce Hawker Cheers! —James (Talk • Contribs) • 12:18pm • 02:18, 23 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Llangadfan

The DYK project (nominate) 18:03, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK for William Jones (Welsh radical)

Gatoclass (talk) 00:03, 4 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ian McLauchlan

Not often an edit summary makes me laugh - good stuff!--Bcp67 (talk) 19:21, 4 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wick Powell

Robert Gate's "Gone North" has Wick Powell playing for Rochdale Hornets, do you have any other details of this? The reason I ask is there appears to be a Rochdale Hornets' player named W. Powell who played for Other Nationalities, the article states circa-1921 which is too early for Wick Powell, but I'm not sure how reliable that date is. It just seems unusual for there to have been two Welshmen at Rochdale Hornets named W. Powell. Best Regards. DynamoDegsy (talk) 10:45, 5 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Barry John

The DYK project (nominate) 06:03, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Articles for deletion

It appears that the following articles were nominated for deletion:

Cheers Fishiehelper2 (talk) 21:35, 17 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Christian council of Ghana DYK

Hi, thanks for the review. I have addressed the issues you raised. Please could you re-review it and accord the right tag? If there is any other issue please address it on my talk page. A friend called - -- CrossTempleJay  talk 09:25, 23 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

THANKS. -- CrossTempleJay  talk 18:45, 23 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Shamrock Warriors RFC DYK

Hello, thanks for the input. I've put up an alternative hook if you would like to have a look at it? Thanks GainLine ♠ ♥ 10:41, 23 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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DYK for Cambriae Typus

Materialscientist (talk) 08:04, 27 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Neil Haddock

The DYK project (nominate) 08:04, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Floyd Harvard

The DYK project (nominate) 08:04, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Robert Dickie

The DYK project (nominate) 08:04, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Placename treatment

Hi, again, FM. I'm having a (fairly unimportant) difference of opinion on a matter of Welsh treatment at Talk:Aberaeron and would welcome more diversity of opinion there if you have a moment to consider it. Cheers, Bjenks (talk) 02:32, 31 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

moving forwards on your DYK nomination of Allen Forward

Hello! Your submission of Allen Forward at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Boud (talk) 20:26, 31 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Primrose

Done. Connormah (talk) 21:35, 31 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Connormah (talk) 22:03, 31 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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DYK for Dennis Marks

Hello! Your submission of Dennis Marks at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Timbouctou (talk) 17:50, 2 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for pointing out that IMDb can't be used for referencing. I also found WP:RS/IMDB. I don't agree with the rule myself as I often have to rely on IMDb for credits in old films and so far I never ran into inconsistencies - but this indeed seems to be the accepted policy. In any case, thanks for fixing the Marks DYK so promptly. Cheers. Timbouctou (talk) 10:29, 3 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Noldi Schreck

Hi FM. I edited Noldi Schreck, fixing the issues you mention on my talk page. Let me know if you'd like to collaborate on an article; it would be nice to work with you! --Rosiestep (talk) 04:37, 3 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Allen Forward

Materialscientist (talk) 18:03, 9 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

^ Love this hook! Well done! Bradley0110 (talk) 19:12, 9 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, but it wrote itself. FruitMonkey (talk) 20:50, 9 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

David Beynon and Ben Beynon

David Beynon played for Oldham 15-years before Ben Beynon, they were both Welsh, but would you know whether they were related? Best Reagrds. DynamoDegsy (talk) 14:27, 3 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

William Walton (rugby league) = William Walton (rugby union)?

I'm wondering whether William Walton (rugby league) is actually the same chap as William Walton (rugby union). They're certainly in the same era, and William Walton (rugby union) played for England in 1894 just before the 1895 schism. Would you have any information? Best Regards. DynamoDegsy (talk) 08:01, 10 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

ESPNscrum.com has William Walton's death as 1 June 1940 in Wakefield, so I believe it must be the same chap. But if you have any further information, it'd be greatly appreciated. Best Regards. DynamoDegsy (talk) 12:46, 10 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, same guy. Interestinglty enough it states he was a licensee who played RU for Castleford and Yorkshire. He switched to Wakefield in 1895, scoring their first try under Northern Union ruleson 21 Sep 1895 in a 15-9 win over Belle Vue. FruitMonkey (talk) 17:15, 10 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Can you please check something for me? I don't believe the mention of "Belle Vue" can mean Belle Vue Rangers, as they were known as Broughton Rangers until the 1945-46 season. I'm wondering if the reference actually means Belle Vue Stadium. Best Regards. DynamoDegsy (talk) 13:48, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Dennis Marks

Materialscientist (talk) 12:14, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Stephen Fry (rugby player)

Materialscientist (talk) 00:03, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wales Coat of Arms

Hi there.

Last night, I added the Royal Badge of Wales to the coat of arms section on the Wales template and it appears that you removed it, stating that this was a case for a discussion page; if you could, could you explain the purpose why the coat of arms shouldn't be on the template.

Thanks.

JAU123 JAU123 (talk) 10:08, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have read the thread and it all makes sense to me; it's seen as a modern creation and isn't seen as the official coat of arms of Wales. However; it does contain within the badge, the coat of arms of Llywelyn the Great, which is the popular if not official coat of arms; it also contains the scroll: "Pleidiol Wyf I'm Gwlad" which is from the National Anthem of Wales; and the royal badge is used by the Welsh Assembly Government on their documents and papers and their "Assembly Measures" so the status of the Royal Badge of Wales is questionable on this occasion. If there's any other coat of arms that could be used for the template I would be happy to use it.
Thanks.
JAU123. JAU123 (talk) 17:06, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:Taboty

You talk something, please--Many baks (talk) 09:46, 16 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Barry John GAN

Reply here if you're available to address GAN concerns, and I'll start the process. Two Hearted River (paddle / fish) 11:53, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I await your feedback. FruitMonkey (talk) 12:26, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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WE ‘Billy’ Williams

I can't remember if I've asked this question before, but if I didn't, I meant to... In the Welsh stars still had a rugby ball in wartime, there's mention of a WE ‘Billy’ Williams, would you have any details on this chap? As a Billy, I assume the the 'W' of the 'WE' stands for William... nothing gets past me!!! Best Regards. DynamoDegsy (talk) 08:43, 5 August 2011 (UTC) Ooh, I've just had a cheeky look in your archive... a little forward of me I know, as we hardly know each other... and I have asked this question before, but over a year later and you're yet to respond!!![reply]

"In the Welsh stars still had a rugby ball in wartime article at WalesOnline, there's mention of a WE ‘Billy’ Williams defecting to the 13-a-side game, I don't believe he's; William Edward Osborne Williams, William Henry "Buller" Williams, Billy Williams, nor William "Billy" Arthur Williams. Any idea who he might be, and what club(s) he played for? Cheers. DynamoDegsy (talk) 14:56, 15 May 2010 (UTC)"[reply]
Hmmmm, how about Billy Williams? FruitMonkey (talk) 09:10, 5 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'll take a look at that page at lunchtime, I can't get onto sports related sites during works' hours... they actually expect me to work during works' hours... the very cheek of it. Best Regards. DynamoDegsy (talk) 09:14, 5 August 2011 (UTC) That looks like the fella, but I have a couple of queries; first, how did manage to find him so quickly? The blackandambers website doesn't seem that easy to search!!! and second, the 'Welsh stars still had a rugby ball in wartime' page infers that he had already defected to rugby league, but the blackandambers website has him at Newport until 1947, and the 'Victory International' matches took place between December 1945 and April 1946, so wouldn't he have still been a rugby union player at that time? Best Regards. DynamoDegsy (talk) 14:42, 5 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If a player switched to league, the chances are they came from Swansea, Newport, Cardiff or Llanelli, therefore I have the black and ambers site on my favourites here and books for the other three. If the player was with the likes of Neath or a Valleys club I hit problems. Luckily, in places such as the Rhondda, you got frog marched to the train station if you had a Yorkshire accent so that forced the scouts to the major cities. I have W. E. "Billy" Williams playing for Newport against the Kiwis on 29 December 1945 and for Monmouthshire against the Kiwis on 27 February 1946. I think the report is incorrect in stating they had already switched. FruitMonkey (talk) 15:43, 5 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"frog marched to the train station", is that what's meant by ♫We'll keep a welcome in the hillside, We'll keep a welcome in the Vales♫ ?!?!. Best Regards. DynamoDegsy (talk) 13:25, 9 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Karl Francis edits

Hi FruitMonkey.

Thank you for your edits on the Karl Francis page.

I would like to know why you have removed the rest of the quote from the linked article on the page I added yesterday? (...plus a whole paragraph of a cut and paste job from an external site.)

I presume you have posted the original content that only partially quotes "In 1995 he was appointed the Head of Drama at BBC Wales,[5] a role he held until 1997 and which the British Film Institute's Screenonline website described as "an unsatisfactory two years"

I meerly added the rest of the quote from the article giving a full picture rather than just "an unsatisfactory two years" which is not very fair. Don't you agree? I thought this was supposed to be 'unbiased' information here like the BBC (laughs to myself!).

Partially quoting any comment can give entirely the wrong picture and even the opposite meaning to its original intention. This is unacceptable editing in my own and Karl Francis' opinion too.

Please can you not remove this complete quote again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pixlmixer (talk • contribs) 10:49, 12 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Featured Article promotion

Congratulations!
Thanks for all the work you did in making Barry John a Featured Article! Your work is much appreciated.

In the spirit of celebration, you may wish to comment on another Featured article candidate... or perhaps review one of the Good Article nominees, as there is currently a backlog. Any help is appreciated! All the best, – Quadell (talk)

Rugby Union Gameplay

Hi Fruit Monkey. I created some drafts for the gameplay section here User:Aircorn/Rugby. The first stretched to three paragraphs so I shortened it to two. Let me know which one you think will fit in best and if you can think of anything missed/overstated. I will source them before adding them to the article. AIRcorn (talk) 18:02, 20 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Rhondda Cynon Taf

Interesting that the only references on RCT relate to the exploitation of Wales by foreign companies; no change there, then (Brofiscin is less than a mile from my home). You seem to know which stats the IP is referring to. Can you provide the reference? I'd like to read it. Thanks, Daicaregos (talk) 22:42, 27 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

(Transcluded from my talk page)

The reason I deleted the input regarding Welsh language in RCT is the vagueness not only of the information (no source given), but also the main resource point. I agree that the number of people in RCT who state they can speak (or read or write) Welsh is roughly 21%. But the question they ask, is to "some level". If you state that 21% of people in an area speak Welsh, then the reader will expect them to be fluent. Not pigeon Welsh and not to GCSE level (O-level in old money). The census does not ask this, it asks if the person believes they are a Welsh speaker. This is not the same as being a Welsh speaker. We can state that when asked in the 2001 census, 21.1% of repliers stated that they has 'some skill' in speaking Welsh, but nothing more. The difference between Llanelli and Merthyr in the ability to speak fluent Welsh is immense, and when we report facts they must be accurate.FruitMonkey (talk) 00:15, 28 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for that. Something should be included. How about: “Results from the 2001 census showed 21.1% of RCT residents were able to speak, read, write or understand Welsh.” ? Daicaregos (talk) 10:17, 28 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Gwbert

Hi Fruitmonkey. When you get a moment, I wonder of you might kindly re-review Gwbert, please? Hopefully it is now worthy of B-class ! Given the small nature of the place (importance will always be low!) I don't think there's much more to say. Thanks Hogyn Lleol (talk) 19:01, 11 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Sheen

I withdrew the GA nomination because I've been doing more work on the article since it was first nominated. I'm now trying to bring it up to Featured Article status instead. I've requested a peer review as a first step. Thanks for helping to tidy up the entry, by the way! Popeye191 (talk) 20:18, 18 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Rugby union GA

Hi. I've started to do the Good Article Review on Rugby Union. There has been a fair amount of time since the article was nominated, so it is possible the article degraded a little in the interim. Given that issue and how long it is taking to clear articles, rather than quick fail the article because of some major issues regarding the lack of sources, I'll hold it for a week to ten days to allow those to be fixed. (If you need more time, let me know.) I'll leave additional comments but the citation issues could prove to be one of those major issues that could change the text a bit if sources can't be found to support statements and text needs to be removed. --LauraHale (talk) 01:46, 23 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Will take a look at it to do more commentary on it. My major initial concerns were the citation issues. Hoping it shouldn't be that painful to fix. --LauraHale (talk) 23:08, 27 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Regilio Tuur

I notice that you have previously edited Regilio Tuur and would like to make you aware that I'm seeking consensus on the article on the talk page.--Mrmatiko (talk) 16:04, 24 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Dai Fitzgerald

Dai Fitzgerald's article states that joined Leigh before the 1895 schism, and so he didn't change codes at that time, but I assume he could have been both a rugby union (if he played in the 1894/5 season) and rugby league (if he played in the 1895/6 season) player for Leigh. Would you know whether he played union and league for Leigh? As an aside, I went to see a play called Broken Time about the rugby schism, and very good it was too!!! Best Regards. DynamoDegsy (talk) 16:05, 27 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

James Valentine (rugby)

The Irlams o' th' Height and Swinton Lions articles both state that Jim Valentine holds Swinton's "Most Tries in a Season" record with 48-tries, in the 1888–89 season. However, it appears that "Maule, Raymond (1992). The Complete Who's Who of England Rugby Union Internationals. Derby: Breedon Books. p. 166." states that Jim Valentine scored 61-tries, in the 1889–90 season. Can you please have a quick check in your book? Best Regards. DynamoDegsy (talk) 13:20, 12 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The Signpost interview

Refs? You bet!

edit pwned!

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rugby_union&action=historysubmit&diff=456088560&oldid=455759534

Come on man, you just needed a minimum of common sense to see that this was right and 2 minutes of time to find a ref. Easy as pie. And an IP just owned you! 131.251.252.74 (talk) 22:53, 17 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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