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Religion or Not?

Din-e-Illahi was not a religion, but instead a following of the Mughal Emperor Akabr and his views regarding the interpretation of mysticism, his faith and ideals...but never declared a separate religion.^[1]

Unwelcome in the Hijaz?

The following source proves that Akbar never intended to join hands with the Portuguese against the Ottomans and that his pilgrims in Mecca were non discriminated.^[2]

Arabic script missing?

Dear Wikipedia, Jalal ad-Din Muhammad Akbar, the name is written beside the hindi version but the original Aribic script of the name is missing in the introduction of the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.182.19.199 (talk) 10:14, 1 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Death

I read the article and information on his death seems to be omitted or buried somewhere in the text. How did he died? a disease? was he poisoned? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.208.86.79 (talk) 19:49, 19 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Removing the POV tag

The tag was removed per consensus below. -- SBC-YPR (talk) 08:34, 13 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

There is at present a {{POV}} tag on the article page, which was placed there over a year ago during the series of disputes that plagued the article at that time. Most or all of the issues raised then, which primarily centred around the sources used and the undue focus given to certain aspects of the article, have been addressed now, and it is time to discuss whether the tag still merits retention or it should be removed. Please comment below. Regards, SBC-YPR (talk) 19:47, 10 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Notified: All users involved in the previous discussions around the earlier series of disputes (User:Abecedare [inactive], User:Deepak D'Souza [inactive], User:More random musing [inactive], User:Nemonoman, User:Notedgrant, User:Redtigerxyz, User:SpacemanSpiff) -- SBC-YPR (talk) 19:59, 10 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for including me in this discussion. The article still needs improvement, but I don't see now any evidence of point of view so excessive that it warrants a warning sign. Agree that it's time to get rid of that tag.--Nemonoman (talk) 20:44, 10 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If a tag has been there for a year, I'd say just remove it without discussion. A discussion is necessary only if someone reinstates the tag. --RegentsPark (talk) 22:38, 10 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If you think that the POV tag has been addressed just go ahead and remove it, if someone has a different viewpoint we can discuss. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 04:13, 11 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I guess I'm too late but I think the tag should be removed (If it has not already been removed)--NotedGrant Talk 18:47, 12 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have removed the POV tag as there seems to be a consensus here that it should be removed. However, if I find any POV issues, I will point them out on the talk. I haven't been able to give the article a through read.--Redtigerxyz ^Talk 18:53, 12 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Akbar/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

You have done a great work. There may be few issues which be improved. Then it will be really good article. Reviewer: Seyyed(t-c) 13:25, 21 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

Is it reasonably well written?
A. Prose quality:

It looks good, but I am not a native speaker. Therefor I will ask anther reviewer to check this aspect whenever I finished my review.--Seyyed(t-c) 14:10, 21 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

B. MoS compliance:

Some of the external links which have been used as source should be edited on the basis WP:CIT.--Seyyed(t-c) 14:33, 21 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

For some of the sources "Harvard citation" method have bben used, while for some others not. Please use the same method for all of the book.--Seyyed(t-c) 12:35, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
A. References to sources:

B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:

I put tag at the places which need source.--Seyyed(t-c) 13:54, 21 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Unreliable sources:

"Timurid Dynasty". New World Encyclopedia. http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Timurid_Dynasty. Retrieved 18 July 2009.
"Extant of Empire". Richard as the writer of the article is unknown. Apparently, this is the main source.
Humayunnama, Akbarnama and Ain-e-Akbari are primary sources. Can you add secondary source which endorses the claims?

C. No original research:

Is it broad in its coverage?
A. Major aspects:

I think there should be a section at the end of the article which describes his influence over India after his life and his legacy for India and for Mughal Empire. --Seyyed(t-c 13:54, 21 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There is subsection about Relations with the Ottoman Empire. I think there should be a subsection about Relations with the Safavids Empire as well. Akbar's reign coincided with Tahmasp I who was Humayun's ally, but later captured Qandahar. His last years also coincided with Abbas I. The problem of Qandahar never solved and always caused some tensions. --Seyyed(t-c) 14:06, 21 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Done--Seyyed(t-c) 18:32, 3 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

B. Focused:
Is it neutral?
Fair representation without bias: Done--Seyyed(t-c) 18:32, 3 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Is it stable?
No edit wars, etc:

Done--Seyyed(t-c) 18:32, 3 February 2011 (UTC)Yes, the article is stable.--Seyyed(t-c) 14:21, 21 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales: Done--Seyyed(t-c) 18:32, 3 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:

Done--Seyyed(t-c) 18:32, 3 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Overall:
Pass or Fail:Fail--Seyyed(t-c) 18:32, 3 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

There hasn't been anything noted here in a month and the reviewer hasn't edited in two weeks; do we need a new one? Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 05:37, 25 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The article needs reliable sources in several cases. I wait for editor to solve the problems, but finally they have not been solved.--Seyyed(t-c) 18:32, 3 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Illogical (Deliberate?)

In the section http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akbar#Relation_with_Hindus the article says: "Akbar in his early years was not only a practising Muslim but is also reported to have had an intolerant attitude towards Hindus.[11] It was during this period that he boasted of being a great conqueror of Islam to the ruler of Turan, Abdullah Khan, in a letter in 1579,[12] and was also looked upon by orthodox Muslim elements as a devout believer committed to defending the religion against infidels.[13] However, his attitude towards the Hindu religion and its practices no longer remained hostile after he began his marriage alliances with Rajput princesses."

One can observe the time line for obvious faults written above: Akbar's marriage to Hindu princess takes place in early 1560's.

Akbar writes the letter to ruler of Turan in late 1570's/early 1580's. How is this early part of his reign? How does marrying a Hindu princess in early 1560's has or has not any impact in writing the letter to Turanian king?

Why are facts being twisted?

More random musing (talk) 17:50, 15 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Admiral Ackbar

In Return of the Jedi, a rebel admiral was named Admiral Ackbar and is famous for the quote, "It's a trap". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.110.140.192 (talk) 01:22, 25 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Abu'l Fath ....

"Abu'l Fath Jalaluddin Muhammad Akbar" -Llc 0 Takabeg (talk) 22:50, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Birth Date

There's a problem with the 23 November birth date. It doesn't match the Islamic calendar. I've changed to 14 October which matches the story about moon in Leo from the Columbia University source. We need better sources for this. Aero13792468 (talk) 17:53, 16 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

[1] ttp://www.columbia.edu/itc/mealac/pritchett/00islamlinks/ikram/part2_12.html

[2] ttp://books.google.com/books?id=uB1uAAAAMAAJ&q=Jidda&source=gbs_word_cloud_r&cad=6

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