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Filmography

shouldn't the list be ordered from earliest to latest, like the theatre section is? The article needs to be consistent. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.27.113.153 (talk) 11:14, 20 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done. rkmlai (talk) 05:24, 8 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Has he read the books or not?

A change recently made in this article says that Gambon has in fact readthe books, and even says that interviews on the DVD release of the prisoner of azkaban prove it. It doesn't give any citation though, and the change was made very recently by an unregistered user (granted, I am also an unregistered user, but you get my point.) I didn't undo it though becuase i'd like some confirmation on if this is true or not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.87.69.48 (talk) 23:55, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think you can take for granted that even the very laziest of Actors would read the source material for the screenplay to gain background/insight into a film he/she was in, sometimes quite extensively so they can let some of the flavour of the books seep into their performances - The characters which tend to be much less defined in a script where space is a premium where a character can be vastly expanded apon over the course of what were there, 7 books?

VinDibs (talk) 23:32, 28 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sexual Orientation

Is there any point to the comment about Gambon's sexual orientation not being much debated? By pointing this out, isn't it suggesting that salacious discussion of other people's sexuality is acceptable? Unless there is something substantive to say on the matter, I think this reference should be deleted. Wikipedia is not the place for tabloid sensation, however mildly put. Comments please? Peeper 09:04, 1 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

No responses - comment removed.Peeper 18:22, 4 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps a comment could be made about Gambon's appearance with Paul Merton on Room 101, where he came across as a rebarbative, cranky individual until presented with a watchmaker's lathe, showing rather more humanity as a result

In WikiWorld, every notable person is assumed to sexually inverted unless proven otherwise by citation.Lestrade (talk) 18:11, 18 June 2010 (UTC)Lestrade[reply]

Lathes

His collection of lathes has come up before, also with Merton, when Gambon appeared on Have I Got News For You, when he claimed to have something like 16 lathes. It's difficult to know whether he was joking or not though, especially as he added that this collection was "bigger than Tom Cruise's". --Thoughtcat 07:55, 10 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Nationality

Michael Gambon is a British actor born in Ireland, same as Stan Laurel was an American actor born in England. Gambon has been a British citizen long before he took to the stage, and if the passionate users reverting this page to state that he is Irish wish to keep it that way, could they please remove the Sir and OBE. You can't have both. --ThwartedEfforts 13:17, 24 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Both the United Kingdom and Republic of Ireland allow dual citizenship. JAJ 23:24, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I dare say, but Gambon is British and as is the custom round here his nationality should be presented in the opening paragraph. I have no clue as to why it is constantly meddled with, when Irish-born British is exactly how it is. It is completely not wrong. The last user to make the edit referred to the inclusion of the word British as 'vandalism'. I mean, what the? ThwartedEfforts 17:21, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
His parents where Irish, he was born in Ireland. Last time I checked, that makes him Irish-British, or the other way round. Billtheking 21:12, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Irish-British is actually how the article started out. Irish-born British was a compromise, but even that was vandalised. I'll try again with a note to refer to this talkpage. Of course we shouldn't forget that Irish ancestry is one of Wikipedia's running jokes, so doubtless I'll be doing the same edits over and over ThwartedEfforts 07:22, 15 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Thwarted Efforts. You can't be a member of the British nobility and be from ROI unless you have a hereditary title created prior to parts of Ireland becoming independant. His nationality is British and such should be noted in the first sentence. Sources such as Encarta state him as British, but born in Ireland. I think we ought to change it to "Irish-born British", such (as TE rightly said) is wikipedia convention. Regards, --Cameron* 18:47, 15 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Input needed on Talk:Michael_Gambon#RE:_Michael_Gambon:_Well.2C_I_am_Irish.--Filastin (talk) 14:09, 6 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Stan was English. He had a very strong English accent and just went to America where he found fame — Preceding unsigned comment added by VinDibs (talk • contribs) 23:33, 28 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Mickey Gambon, Early Years

Michael Gambon’s Early Years

I met Mickey Gambon early in 1957 when we both signed on as part of a group of fifty apprentices age 16 and up at Vickers Armstrong’s Crayford Works in Kent for a 5 year apprenticeship, he as a Toolmaker me a Fitter & Turner. We became mates partly because we shared the same cycle route daily to and from work. At that time I lived in Belvidere, Kent. To us ragtag apprentices the "b" in his surname was silent hence he was Mickey Gamon to us.Mick was an accomplish yarn spinner, thus during our tea breaks you would find Mick at the centre of a group of apprentices spewing forth tales and jokes whilst puffing on our favourite fags “Players Weights” bought in packets of 5 from our 12/6d weekly wages. Mick would have known me then as “Yokel” a nickname assigned because of my very broad ‘ampshire accent. I also have faint recall that he won an award in recognition of his craftsmanship in the tool room he was certainly highly regarded in that respect. Frequently on our way home after work Mick would stop off at Erith Playhouse for rehearsals where he was active in the Amateur Dramatic Society. Mickey never discussed his drama interests with his fellow apprentices so it was a shocking surprise when he announced in 1960 he was quitting his apprenticeship to attend drama school. I among others tried to dissuade him and urged him to finish his near completed apprenticeship before doing so, but without avail. I have read many accounts of Sir Michael’s youth none have so far got it quite right in detail, so I decided to put on record my recollections. Mick has earned a reputation for telling porkies, being sparing with the truth to suit his purpose, misleading the gulable , particularly the media. Well I can tell you this has been his forte all his adult life and why he is such an accomplished actor. He was always most adept and able at merging fact and fiction in a most convincing and effortless manner so that nobody knew which was which, maybe not even Michael . Since then finished my apprenticeship and I immigrated to Canada in ’67. and I never heard of Micky again until I saw him in the film TheTurtle Diary and recognized my old mate. On telling my wife “I know him that’s my mate from Vickers!” she just rolled her eyes and laughed. Since then I have attempted to contact Mick to meet up when back in UK but so far without success.

Tom Thornton Parksville BC Canad a e-mail : tta@telus.net

206.116.133.44 21:37, 22 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It would be nice to see a picture of Mickey in the old days as Wikipedia suffers from its lack of eligibility to publish photos, he certainly "has it" as an actor and ranks amongst the best that I have seen in awkward roles, it's amazing how difficult these people are to contact. Airing your memories would lead to authenication by a third party and eventual inclusion in an authorised history of him.

Topgear

- The last corner on the Topgear test track is named "Gambon". This is due to the fact that Gambon narrowly avoided a horriffic crash when he went round it.

Honours and Awards

Gambon has been created a Knight Bachelor and a Companion of the British Empire (CBE). To date he has not been created a Knight of the British Empire (KBE). As a Knight Bachelor, he is entitled to be styled 'Sir'. Unlike other British knighthoods, Knights Bachelor do not have a postnominal entitlement, so Gambon's correct full style is 'Sir Michael John Gambon, CBE'. The reference reflecting his creation as a Knight Bachelor is a primary source - ie the Gazette entry in which his award was promulgated. AusTerrapin 09:28, 26 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Gambon, incomplete

Hello, I am a writer from Wikipedia, I saw the article by the actor Michael Gambon and I think this a bit incomplete. I would like rellernar that voids, but that the article should be unprotected. Please, who has Semi-protected so that unprotected. Thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.209.95.129 (talk) 23:27, 9 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

User 77.209...s edits

I don't understand the problem with these edits. I see that you can't explain on the user's talk page, but could you explain here? They seem reasonable edits to me (i.e. not wanton vandalism). You say they are unsourced, but few of the performances are individually sourced. I am not, nor acquainted with, the 77.209... editor, just an interested observer. Rachel Pearce (talk) 11:16, 6 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well lets see
  1. No source provided for new info
  2. Continual entry of a pic that does not meet wikistandards and is continually removed.
  3. Linking of items that do not go to the correct page.
  4. Linking items already linked.
  5. Making a mess of the filmography
If you wish to clean all of this up the next time they make their entry plz do so. MarnetteD | Talk 07:36, 9 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Maigret

Maigret (1992-1993) is one his best-known tv-roles, please add it. I would but the article is protected. Jr888 (talk) 13:24, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Whether it is one of his best known TV roles is open to debate. In any event, his performance as Maigret is already mentioned in the article if you would read it a bit closer. MarnetteD | Talk 15:18, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]


RE: Michael Gambon: Well, I am Irish

Michael Gambon: 'Well I am Irish and so I have a natural Irish accent and I remember Richard playing this and I thought well I'll chuck a bit of Irish in. No-one's ever questioned it. The first director said what's that funny accent you've got. I said it's a bit of Irish. He said oh well that's all right. (laughter).' Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/breakfast_with_frost/4548699.stm Dunlavin Green (talk) 17:57, 21 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

We have no reference as good as this with his nationality. Maybe it was changed, maybe he is currently living in Ireland between filming, we do not know. The reference provided is 2005, the latest from a reputable source, the BBC, and in Gambon's own words. Please discuss before changing.--Filastin (talk) 14:07, 6 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
He couldn't have a substantive knighthood without holding British nationality. He is still "ethnically" Irish of course, so he's not necessarily referring to his present legal nationality in this quote (possibly he holds dual nationality. David Underdown (talk) 14:51, 6 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
What I am thinking is, could he hold either dual nationality or could his nationality have changed since the knighthood, it is likely in some way, if he himself considers himself Irish?--Filastin (talk) 16:07, 6 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Marriage

Gambon remains married to his first wife legally, but Phillipa Hart is listed as his spouse. They are not married, and it is unclear if they even live together. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.28.237.131 (talk) 05:17, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Alexandr Ostrovsky

I have removed all the pipes to Alexandr Ostrovsky from the play titles. It is clear that most of the plays are not by him (e.g. it would be hard from him to have written a play about Tom Driberg. But if any of them were correct please put them back in. I am going to unlink the redlinks. Rachel Pearce (talk) 14:25, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nationality (again)

If we must list someone's nationality (which I don't think we should be doing) we should probably list his as dual nationality as we know for a fact that he has British Citizenship due to his knighthood, and was born in Ireland so most likely has Ireland nationality. Canterbury Tail talk 16:53, 6 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I believe that he should he classified Irish-British, maybe???--Filastin (talk) 17:27, 6 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think we have a style guide for how this would be handled. Normally I'd just suggest alphabetical order as that is normal general styling, but some may claim that is putting greater weight on his British citizenship over the Irish. How about "dual nationality Irish/British"? Canterbury Tail talk 17:56, 6 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
We could dodge it to some extent and say "Irish born British resident". There was a long-standing consensus for the previous wording however which Filastin has challenged, but we should stick with the previous wording until a new consensus emerges. It is wrong to simply say he's Irish however. David Underdown (talk) 08:33, 7 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think the reference offered is as clear-cut as believed by Filastin anyway, it's not at all clear he's talking about his legal nationality. He was born in Ireland, so even if he is now solely a British citizen, he undoubtedly feels Irish to some extent (and how many Americans, for example, would call themselves Irish, even though they've never been there, and Irish birth is 2-3 generations back?). He's been resident in the UK for about 60 of his 68 years. David Underdown (talk) 09:33, 7 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
He's not just British resident though, he is a British citizen. In fact to be completely honest we don't actually know for sure he's an Irish citizen, very likely he is, but no real firm evidence other than a self-identification (which has nothing to do with your nationality/citizenship.) Ian Paisley, for example, has described himself as Irish on many occasions, yet I'm sure isn't an Irish citizen, it doesn't necessarily mean the same thing. Canterbury Tail talk 11:09, 7 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nationality (yet again)

Gambon being British is footnoted with a link to this page on the bbc. The word "British" does not appear on that page but Gambon does say the following:

"Well I am Irish and so I have a natural Irish accent..."

Following guidelines, I think we should describe him as he describes himself. — Blue-Haired Lawyer 12:13, 10 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Whilst he's Irish-born, and may well regard himself as "ethnically" Irish, there's no doubt that he holds British nationality, or he would not have a substantive knighthood. The long-standing version of the lead addresses both aspects of this, which are nto necessarily mutually exclusive. David Underdown (talk) 09:25, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I don't disagree but he describes himself as "Irish" and he is undoubtedly an Irish citizen. The rule on Wikipedia is that we should describe people as they describe themselves. Do you have a source where he describes himself as "British"? — Blue-Haired Lawyer 11:00, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Do we know he still actually holds Irish citizenship? Yes we have one cite where he describes himself as being Irish, but as that is as much a matter of "ethnicity" as citizenship, we dobn't know that he meant it in terms of citizenship. I don't think the quote and the context it comes from is sufficiently clear to make this an over-riding self-identification. David Underdown (talk) 14:25, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I reject this notion that describing oneself as Irish is merely representative of ethnicity and not nationality. He says he's Irish and he was born in Dublin. The only way he would no longer be a Irish citizen would be if he renounced it. If anything we should describe him as "Irish-British" or "British-Irish". — Blue-Haired Lawyer 14:54, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry I didn't read your edit as I thought you'd just reverted mine. I perfectly happy with the current version. — Blue-Haired Lawyer 14:57, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It always did describe him as Irish-British. I really don't think we can draw too many conclusions from the BBC article cited anyway, it's a throwaway remark in the context of him using an Irish accent for something. But now we seem to have agreed that the current wording is OK, so lets leave it there. David Underdown (talk) 15:26, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

British/Knighthood

The fact that there are editors here who imply that being knighted makes them British is a joke, that is all politically motivated nonsense,Alex Ferguson and Sean Connery are both Scotsmen with knighthoods yet they are not described as British, I am changing this.Sheodred (talk) 10:27, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I can see, nobody has said or implied that being knighted made Michael Gambon British. It's the other way round: he must have held British nationality, otherwise he couldn't have received a substantive knighthood. PhilG (talk) 20:08, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Ferguson and Connery are British de facto, by virtue of the fact that they are Scots, same for the English, Welsh and Northern Irish, all of them are British whether they like it or not. Being knighted does not confer British citizenship, but the point is, if he was not legally a British citizen, he would not have received a "full" (my word for it) knighthood, it would have been an "honorary" knighthood like Bob Geldof's. – ukexpat (talk) 20:32, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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filmography

Someone should check the cast of the '70s movie/TV film "Catholics, starring Trevor Howard and Martin Sheen. I believe Gambon played one of the monks in an Irish monastery. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.214.222.248 (talk) 19:31, 11 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Nationality

Should the lede refer to Gambon as "Irish born British" or "Irish-British"? 79.97.144.17 (talk) 18:46, 24 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think "Irish-born British" is an adequate description at all. It makes it sound like he's British but happened to have been born in Ireland, rather than someone who's Irish and emigrated to Britain, later becoming a British citizen. I think Irish-British or Irish-British (with a link to the Irish migration to Great Britain article) is a better descriptor, particularly given that he's explicitly stated "I am Irish" in at least 2 separate interviews [1] [2]. 79.97.144.17 (talk) 12:54, 24 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

See all the discussions above. He is a British citizen and lives in Britain. That makes him Irish-born British. Span (talk) 18:24, 24 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
He is also an Irish citizen, which makes him Irish-British. 79.97.144.17 (talk) 18:42, 24 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Irish-British - It appears that he is both Irish and British, both citizenship-wise and culturally. The fact that he calls himself "Irish" in the sources listed above means that "Irish-born British" is not really acceptable. We, as editors, cannot pick and choose one nationality over the other for favored treatment. Both Irish and British should be presented equally to the readers. --Noleander (talk) 16:36, 25 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neither. It seems that he has joint citizenship, and so the clearest thing for the lead would be to say just that: "...is an actor with joint British and Irish citizenship who...". "Irish-British" is unclear and sounds like he is British with Irish ancestry ("Italian American"). "Irish-born British" sounds like it is not accurate, assuming it is true that he is of dual nationality. --FormerIP (talk) 12:34, 2 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neither. I second FormerIP's suggestion of "...is an actor with joint British and Irish citizenship who...". This states the facts of the matter without getting tied up in "Irishness" or "Britishness". — Mr. Stradivarius ♫ 09:23, 23 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
His ethnicity is Irish and his nationality is Irish, he is merely an Irish man living in Britain ,that does not equate to being Irish-British, that is like saying Pierce Brosnan is Irish-American, stop this POV nonsense,Sean Connery lives in Marbella and it doesn't make him a Spaniard.Sheodred (talk) 16:14, 24 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neither. "An actor with joint British and Irish citizenship" is fine. If in doubt, tell it like it is. Legal citizenship is not POV. Nationality has become a political football in Wikipedia articles and it gets too pointy for my liking. Span (talk) 18:46, 24 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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English surely ?

In the interview that is a link on this page, Michael is asked the question, do you still feel Irish? He says no been here too long. Also considering that he has spent 92% of his life in England. He is basically a cockney with an Irish hat.

If you worked on the same rules with 2 of U2, One would be English with Welsh parents and the other English. But usually the 4 of U2 are said to be Irish. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.145.177.43 (talk) 03:27, 22 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Irish born British actor

Is perfectly acceptable. You have to appreciate that A, 66 of 71 years in a country you would be automatically of that nation also the big clue is, his father made him a BRITISH citizen — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.145.177.43 (talk) 03:34, 22 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

ENGLISH but born in Ireland

WILL YOU PLEASE GO TO THE LINK OF THE INTERVIEW

HE IS ASKED, BY RTE, DO YOU FEEL IRISH? HE SAYS NO. I'VE BEEN HER FAR TOO LONG. IN THE ARTICLE ITSELF IT NOTES THAT HIS FATHER NATURALISED HIM AS A BRIT.

ADDITIONALLY LATER, HE SAYS ABOUT GOING FOR AN AUDITION IN DUBLIN AND HOW HE HAD NEVER BEEN OUT OF CAMDEN ALL HIS LIFE.

STOP CLAIMING THE GUY AS IRISH BECAUSE HES TALENTED.

by your COMPLETELY MAD RECONNING that makes ADAM CLAYTON OF U2, 13 March 1960 (age 52) Chinnor, Oxfordshire, England

ENGLISH

and

The Edge, DAVE EVANS. ENGLISH with WELSH parents.

Play the game you have to stick to ONE rule for all.

SIR = BRITISH

THERE HAS AND WILL NEVER BE AN IRISH KNIGHT — Preceding unsigned comment added by VinDibs (talk • contribs) 23:18, 28 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. Murry1975 (talk) 03:21, 30 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The shouty person above does sort of have a point in the above sections. In contrast to the 2004/05 BBC interviews used to describe him as Irish, the 2010 interview specifically asks him about whether he identifies as Irish and Gambon says no. --92.4.177.142 (talk) 04:22, 12 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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