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Talk:History of the world/GA1

Incorporating the epic contribution by User:Hadseys

Hello everyone!

User:Hadseys made an epic contribution to the article, but I reverted it because it was too long. The current article is 90KB (which maybe should be brought down to about 50KB) and their contribution was 800KB.

Judging solely from a quick skim of his content, there seems to be a lot of good stuff there, which could possibly be merged into the article (once it is properly sourced, of course).

It would greatly be appreciated if some of the editors of this article could look over User:Hadseys's contribution and incorporate as much as possible into the article, so all the hard work does not go to waste.

Thanks, Matt (talk) 01:13, 19 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The absence of sourcing makes me believe that it is all OR, in the sense that the WEIGHT is entirely made up, that it does not follow the preponderance of scholarly opinion. Fifelfoo (talk) 01:24, 19 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I think you're right about the contribution being original research, but I think that we should assume good faith and help identify what sources were used. Given that the article concerns history of the world, the contribution made by User:Hadseys would not be a primary source but would be based upon or influenced by other sources. If we can work with User:Hadseys to identify the influencing sources, the large effort made might not be lost and an active editor of Wikipedia might not be discouraged from editing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Matt Heard (talkcontribs) 01:53, 19 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Never mind. User:Dougweller found the text provided by User:Hadseys to violate the copyright of Complete History of the World by R. J. Overy. Matt (talk) 05:33, 19 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Written records

It should be noted that winners write history, usually by destroying written records of the losers. This has happened:

1. In Mexico, written records were burned by Spanish conquerors. 2. In Spain, after the Reconquista, written moor records were burned by Catholics. 3. In Alexandria, early chrisian burned the great library. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01303a.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.47.90.76 (talk) 11:04, 3 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

How do you propose this be incorporated into the article? And can you provide further sources? Ibadibam (talk) 17:32, 3 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I suppose someone could write it into the introduction or even create a section pertaining to such a subject. Maybe something like, "Study of History." It could have a summary on the nuances and characteristics of historical analysis, terms, etc. It would probably also need to have a "main article" link to somewhere like World history. It is well known, though, that history is often at least somewhat biased with the writings of the "victors." Hence the African proverb, "Until the lions have their historians, tales of hunting will always glorify the hunter." InvaderCito (talk) 23:42, 12 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"and beyond"

Saddhiyama asserts that the edit made from 24.7.59.158 is premature. I disagree. Humanity has been to the moon. Our history is not limited to Earth. I propose to restore the edit, or otherwise reword the lead to say that this is the history of mankind in all places. Ibadibam (talk) 17:18, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Modern history of mankind?

I think this article has a strange name. The article doesn't have much to do with the history of the world, only the humans living in the world. It also skips over the vast majority of human history (fire, tool use, migration from Africa, ice ages, interaction with neanderthals etc etc etc), and goes straight to the "culturally important" bits (Antiquity, Rome, WWII etc). As it stands, a better name would be "Modern history of the western world". If the article was expanded in geographic and cultural scope, maybe it could be "Modern history of mankind". If it were also expanded to deal with a much much longer time (on the order of a million years), it might be "History of mankind". As for "History of the world" (or even "of the Earth"), that's really too much to cram into one article, so let's not go there. 46.194.35.104 (talk) 22:21, 15 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I think you are going to find the article prehistory to be extremely enlightening. --Saddhiyama (talk) 23:22, 15 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that the article has a bizarre title, although I assume it is based on popular consensus (just as the term guinea pig is based on popular consensus, rather than any factual connection of the animal to any place called Guinea). The history of the world quite literally implies the "history of the Earth" (which obviously has its own, separate article). Seems like "History of humanity" or "humankind" would seem more appropriate. Wolfdog (talk) 01:41, 27 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
History of humanity or Human history seem more appropriate titles. I would support a move. 209.51.65.47 (talk) 03:31, 30 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
There are historic linguistic reasons for the way things are phrased. The words "humanity" and "human" are polysemic. The proposed titles, "History of humanity" and "Human history", beg for counterpart titles: "History of inhumanity" and "Inhuman history". Nihil novi (talk) 04:39, 30 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Then what about "History of Humankind"? Wouldn't that be appropriate linguistically and technically? I agree that it would be better if this article was renamed, even if it's not a major issue. I also find that, even if "History of Humankind" begs for a counterpart, is that really necessary anyway? And if that's necessary, what's wrong with creating those articles? I would also agree, in regards to the starting comment, that this article sufficiently covers most if not all of cultural and geographical mankind (at the very least as a start). InvaderCito (talk) 23:32, 12 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Please understand that the word "world" has multiple meanings, one of which is that of the human population inhabiting planet Earth. Thus, the U.S. publication, U.S. News & World Report, deals with news concerning the United States and the rest of Earth's human population. Earth as a planet is not one of this publication's concerns.

Whether or not we like the title, "History of the world", it is not likely that we will be able, by fiat, to change this centuries-old English-language usage. When Sir Walter Raleigh (1554-1618) wrote his The Historie of the World, he was not writing a geological treatise. Nihil novi (talk) 02:11, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Middle Ages (Western Focus, etc)

It seems that despite the African, Southeast Asian, and Middle Eastern subsections, the Middle Ages section still focuses a bit too much on the Western world (or at this age, specificallly Europe). The section makes little mention of Chinese changes, a major country in history. The sections on the Middle East, the Americas, and Southeast Asia should be expanded further. Finally, compounding this issue is the fact that the "main article" leads to the Middle Ages page, which focuses almost entirely on Europe. I recommend the main article is changed to the Postclassical Era for a more global perspective (despite the article's current shortcomings). Cito (talk) 00:41, 15 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Neutrality

I've noticed that this page has the belief of evolution in it. I'm not sure all religions would agree with this. I don't know if there is a way to write this page without using a specific belief, but I do know that Wikipedia would like all pages to be entirely neutral. If you can do anything about this, please do. If I'm wrong, please explain. Thanks, 174.57.143.188 (talk) 19:11, 16 May 2013 (UTC)Ronster21[reply]