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My Little Pony
Really guys? Ponybros just have to get their shout out somehow, even if Siri has to do it for them. Lose the ponies. Seriously. Please.
Localisation
‘Siri’ would be pronounced the same as 尻 shiri (‘buttocks’) or 私利 shiri (‘personal profit’) in Japanese. It will be interesting to see what name Apple pick for this product when they eventually localise it for the Japanese market.
Actually, that raises the question of how it’s supposed to be pronounced in English. Is it supposed to be from ‘yes, sir-ee!’? Or would you pronounce it more like an Italian or Spanish word of that spelling? This should have some bearing on the decision for a good localisation. — Chameleon 05:59, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
- On the other hand, in Japanese it could also be shiri 知り "knowing" as in monoshiri 物知り "someone knowledgeable." --Hakanai (talk) 01:00, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
So far I have heard it called "siri" with approximate Italian/Spanish pronunciationion the US far more than with the pronunciation indicated in the article, which weakens the tonic vowel to schwa. 198.228.197.158 (talk) 14:06, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
questions
There should be a section or article about its jailbreak counterpart Sara which is a port of Siri to non-iPhone 4S devices. 67.142.161.22 (talk) 22:26, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
Does the name mean anythig? Is it an acronym? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.62.162.224 (talk) 02:47, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
- I think this is a reference to the Hyperion Cantos. 195.169.141.54 (talk) 10:28, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
- Without a reference, that is pure speculation. And anyway, i dont remember there being anything about the character that could possibly relate to speech recognition. But, since you are not the only person to ask, i did place her name in the disambig page for Siri, as a notable fictional character.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 06:40, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
- Only speculation, but I'd assume it was named after SRI International, the venture company that invested in it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.104.12.206 (talk) 17:46, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
- Without a reference, that is pure speculation. And anyway, i dont remember there being anything about the character that could possibly relate to speech recognition. But, since you are not the only person to ask, i did place her name in the disambig page for Siri, as a notable fictional character.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 06:40, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
Do we know the influences that let to the creation of Siri? Do they include Microsoft's Ms_Dewey? 184.9.14.6 (talk) 00:30, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
- SIRI is the stock symbol for Sirius/XM Radio - a digital music service. Apple is also into digital music. Is this a hint that Apple may acquire Sirius/XM Radio?108.23.147.17 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 08:09, 24 October 2011 (UTC).
Siri is also an old norwegian name. my sister is called that. as far as i know it means something like "the one who masters words", the author siri hustvedt (wife of paul auster) is also called that btw. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.108.36.246 (talk) 21:50, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
Does anyone know where Siri pulls information from? I.E. is it bascially pulled from #1 items on internet searches or is there some other place where it is pulling information?
History and whereabouts of Founder and ex-CEO
So what does Dag Kittlaus do these days? Is he involved with Apple? Wouldn't that be interesting information, too?
I've added an interesting link (at least to my take) with him and his VP Engineering (prior to Apple acquisition) but don't have free resources right now to do further research, unfortunatly. http://twitter.com/#!/dagk/ doesn't seem suitable for a start, either 84.174.75.195 (talk) 11:23, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
Update: In an October 3, 2011 interview Co-Founder of Siri, Norman Winarsky claims "At the time of Apple purchase, theders still work at Apple with much of the rest of the original team." Source: http://9to5mac.com/2011/10/03/co-founder-of-siri-assistant-is-a-world-changing-event-interview
This needs to be verified. I've added the link to the article. 84.174.75.195 (talk) 11:31, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
S.I.R.I. = Steve is resting inside lol — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.139.158.156 (talk) 18:45, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
Requested move (2011)
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No consensus to move. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:02, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
Siri (software) → Siri — There is a disambiguation page for other iterations of Siri, and this is the most well known version of the name. Richiekim (talk) 18:19, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
Survey
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- Oppose. No evidence shows that the software is the primary meaning of Siri. Please notice that Giuseppe Siri has already 14-other-language Wikipedia versions while Siri (software) has only five. --Pengyanan (talk) 19:15, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
- Comment: Not sure if many people will be searching the Giuseppe Siri by only his last name. And without a crystal ball, I imagine that eventually the Siri (software) page will surpass 14 other languages (iPhone has 50+)--Travis Thurston+ 21:03, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
- Comment: But Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, and please avoid recentism. --Pengyanan (talk) 00:48, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
- Comment: Not sure if many people will be searching the Giuseppe Siri by only his last name. And without a crystal ball, I imagine that eventually the Siri (software) page will surpass 14 other languages (iPhone has 50+)--Travis Thurston+ 21:03, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
- Support - Looking at the dab page for Siri, I don't see a problem with the proposed move. --Travis Thurston+ 18:25, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
- Support With hatlink to Giuseppe Siri (as well as to dab page) so people searching for him with "Siri" are still only one click away, just as they would if the dab page was at Siri. --Born2cycle (talk) 21:34, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
- Oppose This feels like too much recentism to me. There items at the dab are compelling enough that this subject shouldn't get the unadorned title. ErikHaugen (talk | contribs) 06:04, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
- Oppose, Possible recentism, unclear if the main usage of Siri is the one regarding software. But I think this could be discussed later, when things are more "settled down". --SF007 (talk) 07:41, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
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POV
This article is half written like an advertisement (cf. "It supposedly makes phone life a whole lot easier!"). Should be cleaned up and revised critically. Cerberus™ (talk) 15:30, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
- The non-neutral section you were referring to has been removed. I scanned the article and found no advert-like language.--Travis Thurston+ 19:22, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
Section Needed, Siri keywords
Two friends have the iPhone 4S and already they are having issues trying to find exactly what to say to get the answer they are looking for. I heard on talk radio that one keyword is 'mileage', as in 'What is the mileage from Bakersfield California to Portland Oregon", returns a screen full of information (interesting, but mostly useless). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.110.157.222 (talk) 18:38, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
- This is a good idea, but of course it needs to be done with proper citation to reliable sources. In other words, you can't just figure out what works and document that here ... that would be original research. --Born2cycle (talk) 21:36, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
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Daisy Bell
Citation? I tried "sing a song" and got a stream of misunderstandings. 124.179.5.51 (talk) 00:41, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
Siri (application)
This should be under Siri (application) or iOS app . Thats what it is. 50.9.109.170 (talk) 06:48, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
Since Siri is now integrated into iOS, it is no longer an app (application). Indeed, it was removed from the App Store. 204.28.120.190 (talk) 17:01, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
Apple’s new voice control software is more versatile than even its makers intended October 27, 2011, 5:00 PM EDT 97.87.29.188 (talk) 23:15, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
Right wing Controversy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMMsHoSdQ0g The app can find you prostitutes (specific ones) but has banned the ability to search for abortion clinics.
-G — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.24.150.169 (talk) 08:52, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
siris voices
i'm searching for the people who provided the voices of the siris....has anybody smthg on the female/US voice?
Although there has been plenty of press about "Jon Briggs is Daniel, the UK male voice of Siri", it's misleading to emphasize the link with Scansoft and Nuance. Siri uses the same synthetic voices in iOS that were already available in VoiceOver, which trace their history back to Mac OS X VoiceOver. Apple licensed the "Daniel" voice from Nuance (http://www.tuaw.com/2011/07/24/os-x-lion-introduces-new-multilingual-high-quality-text-to-spe/ and http://www.nextup.com/nuance.html), but it is coincidence that Nuance is both the speech recognition and speech generation parts of Siri. When the iPhone 4S was released with Siri, there was some press about why Apple had chosen a male voice in the UK as opposed to a female voice in the US (e.g. http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/the-womens-blog-with-jane-martinson/2011/oct/21/siri-apple-prejudice-behind-digital-voices), but this difference had existed for iOS VoiceOver before the 4S and Siri were released. 204.28.120.180 (talk) 19:03, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
Delete the "abortion" stuff?
This sort of thing doesn't belong in a software article page. I vote to remove it. Add your vote below -- I suppose once there are 10 a decision can be made. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.204.93.171 (talk) 17:58, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
- I have re-added the sourced material you have deleted twice now. Siri has been criticized by several notable organizations and these facts are presented in the article with verifiability via reliable sources. Thus, this is encyclopedic and certainly relevant to the "Reception" section. --Ds13 (talk) 20:00, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
- And I'm reincluding the "creep" comment, which I think better reflects the tone of the cited source. -- Trevj (talk) 13:00, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
Intelligent?
On the first line, SIRI was called "intelligent". Unless there is a passed Turing test report somewhere on the web, I think that term is inappropriate and have removed it. Cheers, Peter (77.248.187.160 (talk) 20:03, 27 January 2012 (UTC)).
"Siri, where were you manufactured?"
There's also a section ("Where are you manufactured?") which is written in a very non-neutral point of view. We could easily fix it with the following edits:
- When
approached withasked the question "Where were you manufactured?"Apple, in an intelligent move to avoid controversy, has designedSirito slyly answerresponds with "That's classified." When asked the question, "Where were you made?" Siri responds withthe safe response of or"Like it says on the box...I was designed by Apple in California."This response was programmed, by Apple, into Siri because the company does not wish for its users to find the answer they are truly looking for. The iPhone 4S is known to be manufactured in factories in China where the workers are known to have horrible working conditions (some call them sweatshops). Apple, aware that a large percentage of their customer base would disapprove of this practice, has consciously wired Siri to never reveal the location where the iPhone 4S was assembled. No matter how many times Siri is asked the question,"Where were you manufactured?" the answer will always be "That's classified."
Admittedly, this practically eliminates the entire paragraph, but there isn't really much salvageable from the original paragraph.--C++12 (talk) 01:30, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
- Why not just remove the section entirely? --Michaelzeng7 (talk - contribs) 01:34, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
- Agreed: "that's classified" appears to be a stock-reply joke to any strange "where" question (“Scooby Dooby Doo, where are you?” “That’s classified, Linnea.”), rather than what would be a rather baffling conspiracy to cover up Foxconn manufacturing policies. I've cut the section as WP:OR. --McGeddon (talk) 19:12, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
- Removed NPOV from lead since this paragraph was a major objection. Ward20 (talk) 20:38, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
- Agreed: "that's classified" appears to be a stock-reply joke to any strange "where" question (“Scooby Dooby Doo, where are you?” “That’s classified, Linnea.”), rather than what would be a rather baffling conspiracy to cover up Foxconn manufacturing policies. I've cut the section as WP:OR. --McGeddon (talk) 19:12, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
Misleading to include a quote from the National Federation of the Blind
Although the cited article is about Siri and includes a quote from the National Federation of the Blind, the quote is out of context in that article. The NFB has commented on how VoiceOver makes the iPhone accessible (http://www.nfb.org/Images/nfb/Publications/bm/bm11/bm1109/bm110906.htm, http://www.nfb.org/accessible-home-showcase#Cell), and even given Apple an award (http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/national-federation-of-the-blind-awards-50000-98059544.html), but has not mentioned Siri, despite a blind user being featured in a TV advertisement for Siri. The quote therefore seems to be included in an article about Siri only to back up Apple's advertising. 204.28.120.180 (talk) 19:28, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
New Languages
Apple has now launched Siri in German, French and Japanese also (http://www.apple.com/iphone/features/siri-faq.html). I suppose a new section must be added, with appropriate citations...
Pianone (talk) 17:24, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
Functional technology
It would be most useful if someone in the know could explain in the article how Siri works. My particular question is, how is the work-load of voice recognition split between the handset and the cloud servers? Is it voice-to-text on the handset then text over TCP/IP, or is it VOIP then interpretation on the servers, or some mix? Other technical details would be most welcome.
Thanks, p.r.newman (talk) 16:35, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
- I second this request. The gadget savvy may be able to understand the basics from this article. For the ordinary Jane or Joe it is difficult to understand what, if anything would work offline, when you're not getting a phone signal. It's clear you wouldn't be able to get the map search or weather information. I'd venture, though that there are lots of people who'd use that a lot more rarely than things like scheduling and creating reminders and messages (to be sent later.) Does the whole thing only work when your phone gets a connection? And how would any data used by Siri to answer a question (which you might not be aware of) be apportioned to any data plans? In short, this article needs information of how things work. 99.11.160.111 (talk) 07:39, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
Article accuracy
Localisation
I've spotted several dubious claims here:
- Barclays Capital should not be considered a primary source for the purposes of expanding Siri as if it was an acronym. They have no inside line to Apple, and everything I've read up to this point says that Siri is just a name, not an acronym.
- A response to a developer bug report is hardly an "announcement."
Generally, I think this article suffers from treating articles of dubious quality too seriously, and a lack of critical thinking regarding those dubious sources. I am considering adding a tag to the article as a whole, not currently having the time to track these all down and verify source credibility. Thoughts? --Steven Fisher (talk) 19:31, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
Vehicles
Siri is now in cars, this has been confirmed at the WWDC, however I am neither informed nor knowledgeable enough to write about it myself Dmartin969 (talk) 03:21, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
Easter Eggs
Articles on various programs include lists of easter eggs. Is it appropriate to at least give some examples from Siri? I'm thinking about the responses to "Open the pod bay doors", "Tell me a joke" or "Tell me a story". The Yowser (talk) 13:40, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
Name
I see no one here knows the origin of the name, but it is an alternate (usually feminine) variation of India's word "sri." I put the opening to this article under Other current usage at Sri#Software.
As I live in a rather remote region, I first encountered this usage of the name here: Renaud, Myriam (Summer 2012 5.15.12). "Getting over dualism". UU World magazine. Vol.XXVI No.2 (Summer 2012). Unitarian Universalist Association of Congregations. Archived from the original on 2012-08-14. Retrieved August 14, 2012. When I asked Siri, the iPhone's new virtual personal assistant, if she believed in God, she punted by answering: 'I believe in the separation of spirit and silicon.'
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Male of female voice(s)?
Does Siri have a setting to choose between male and female voice? Maybe it is just male in UK, and only female in US? How about other countries? If it does, please mention in the article. If not, please mention too. Naki (talk) 09:40, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
Clarify architecture, role of "proxy servers", and meaning of a "siri proxy"
The article makes confusing references to proxy servers and authentication tricks for siri ports, without any clarity around the underlying architecture, or how devices like SiriProxy can work. ★NealMcB★ (talk) 02:35, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
Requested move (2013) 1
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The result of the proposal was moved. --BDD (talk) 17:17, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
– Apple's product is surely the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC on the disambiguation list, attracting over 184,000 readers in the last three months. I'll also add that this software is the only article on the list to go by just plain "Siri", as several of the other pages use the term as part of a full, longer name. WikiRedactor (talk) 19:32, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose WP:RECENTISM -- 65.94.79.6 (talk) 05:12, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
- Support, per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. WP:RECENTISM is an essay, not WP policy. -- Wikipedical (talk) 06:36, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
- Support - Siri (software) would be of greater interest to a larger number of people than the other topics listed in that disambig page. Also, no other article is titled "Siri" without a discriminant, so it would be extremely difficult to confuse the software with say, a person. YuMaNuMa Contrib 07:12, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
- Support - An even easier case to make than iOS as primary topic. Marcus Qwertyus (talk) 17:12, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose The software is not the primary topic, because it cannot reasonably be claimed that it is
more likely than all the other topics combined
. We're talking places and notable people here. Google hits are not the answer to everything! -- Trevj (talk) 23:21, 12 June 2013 (UTC) - Support. The other uses are either obscure, their name isn't just "Siri", or both. --B2C 22:44, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
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Needs section: "Vehicle usage" – with "Eyes Free mode" (announced 2012) & "iOS in the Car" (announced 2013) in it.
"Eyes Free" mode was announced in 2012 (WWDC 2012, AFAIR?), and it's future usage as part of iOS in the Car (I just created that page!) announced WWDC 2013, by Eddy Cue. I just created the IITC page, but someone who knows more about it needs to include a new section on "Vehicle usage" here, for sure! Jimthing (talk) 09:03, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
Move? (2013) 2
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The result of the move request was: move. This is borderline a technical request, as the reversion of the move after the June 2013 discussion was undiscussed. If Bjerrebæk has a problem with that move, the correct recourse was a move review or a new move request. However, with an even stronger consensus for this move demonstrated below, either course of action would now be a waste of the community's time. -- tariqabjotu 18:07, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
- Siri (software) → Siri – Consensus to move was achieved previously, executed, and recently reverted by someone regardless of consensus. Page currently exists as a redirect. See Talk:Siri#Requested move (2013). Deadbeef 20:49, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
- This is a bad faith request, there is absolutely no consensus to move the obscure new software to the primary term, but a roughly equal number of opposition and support, which means no consensus. And the name, a widely used name in multiple countries used for over 800 years, is clearly the primary topic, not the new software named for the name. Also see WP:NOTPROMOTION. Bjerrebæk (talk) 20:52, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
- Not a bad faith request. This discussion was opened and closed on the talk page a month and a half ago. Start a new discussion there if you want to move it again with the support of the community. Deadbeef 21:01, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
AND Siri to Siri (name)
- See above. Deadbeef 20:49, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose, and this is not a technical request. Bjerrebæk (talk) 20:55, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
- "If a desired move is ... a revert of an undiscussed move where discussion is needed, ... request it below." Disagree. Deadbeef 21:06, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
- Comment this is an incorrectly formatted multimove -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 05:22, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose At Siri (disambiguation) shows other names "Siri" which are unrelated to the Scandinavian female given name, so "Siri (name)" should redirect to Siri (disambiguation). -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 05:30, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
- Update the name was moved to Siri (Scandinavian name), so this solves my problem with the use of "(name)" as it has been replaced by "(Scandinavian name)", a much more sensible location -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 01:30, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
- Strong support What? I could understand an argument that there's no primary topic, but arguing a Scandinavian name is the primary topic here? That's pretty fringe stuff. Bjerrebæk never should have made this move without building consensus first. Contrary to that user's comments, there was consensus to move Siri (software) to Siri, which can be seen quite plainly on this page. I don't know if this is supposed to be POINTy or what. --BDD (talk) 23:14, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
- Strong support - Siriously asinine move to make after a discussion resulted in the consensus to move. Not sure whether it was done out of ignorance or just bad faith. Marcus Qwertyus (talk) 14:36, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
- Strong support - per clear reasons provided in the previous discussions. This moved was executed against consensus and as said, appears to be a WP:POINTy attempt. Also a consensus here is determined by the reasons provided not the number of votes as Bjerrebæk suggested. YuMaNuMa Contrib 15:58, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
- Support for procedural reasons. Why should this have to be rediscussed less than three months after a RM close? Also support on the merits. I am a strong opponent of recentism and worry about bias but the software is clearly the primary topic. — AjaxSmack 01:12, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
- Strong, speedy support and a hammer-blow of a trout slap to User:Bjerrebæk for flagrantly acting against a strong consensus formed in a recent requested move and (lol!) claiming that there was no consensus there. Red Slash 01:56, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
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So now the article has been moved to plain unmodified Siri twice despite the absence of any consensus to do so. Pity. Aɴɢʀ (talk) 14:03, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
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