Talk:Iran

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Grammar mistake

I found a grammar mistake in first paragraph of this article. In First paragraph and in 7th line we have: "country that has both a Caspian Sea and Indian Ocean coastline. Iran has been of geostrategic importance because of its". Article "a" before "Caspian Sea" is not needed and I think correct text would be: "country that has both Caspian Sea and Indian Ocean coastline. Iran has been of geostrategic importance because of its".

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Sotoodi (talk • contribs) 12:24, 24 March 2014‎ (UTC)

Fix the messed up syntax in bold red in the middle of the entry.

These edits from 4/30/2014 ( Current: "nearby regions wich would last for many centuries onwards." Correction: "nearby regions which would last for many centuries onwards."

Current: "Iran reached it's greatests extent since" Correction: "Iran reached its greatests extent since " )

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Foreverchang (talk • contribs) 01:38, 1 May 2014‎ (UTC)

What about Persia?

Hello everyone! I was redirected here as I was searching for Persia. I wanted to know more about Persian culture, Persian cuisine and the extent of the old Persian empire. But all I read, is centred on what we now know as the country of Iran. Why is that? I cannot see any discussion on this issue here on the talk page either, so if there has been a discussion, then please let me know.

I am Danish myself and have no affiliation to anything Persian, but I would guess this to be a hot topic for people from the area?

RhinoMind (talk) 19:38, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

I agree it is confusing. There was a recent shake-up of the Pahlavi dynasty article, changing it from being about Iran during 1925–1979 to being about the royal family of the same period. A similar treatment could be made of the other dynasty articles such that Iran's history is covered in coherent phases. So a certain amount of reconfiguration is needed, but we should talk about it first. The next step is to agree on what kind of content will go in each article.

• Iran
• Persian Empire
• History of Iran
• Iranian monarchy (disambiguation)
  • Safavid dynasty (1501–1736)
  • Afsharid dynasty (1736–1796)
  • Zand dynasty (1750–1794)
  • Qajar dynasty (1785–1925)
  • Pahlavi dynasty (1925–1979)
• Islamic Republic of Iran (1979–present)

Perhaps we can have historic Iran covered in articles named something like Iran under the Pahlavis, Iran under the Qajars, etc. Perhaps the simple Iran and Persia pages can be disambiguation pages, taking over from Persia (disambiguation) and Persian (disambiguation). Other suggestions should be considered. Binksternet (talk) 21:56, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Great inputs Binksternet!

I think it can help, if we build a kind of "link farm", gathering all the articles relevant to this broad discussion here. You have already supplied a great deal and I would like to add this:

• Greater Iran
• Pan-Iranism. Perhaps this page will help put the overall discussion in perspective?

Having said that, I believe the root cause of this confusion is that there is no discussion, no sources and no explaining text about how the nation of Iran came about and in particular when it came about. When was the name Iran applied to the area we know as Iran now? When was it established as a nation? I think it is clear that it is a much later event than the establishment of Persia and the Persian Empire, but good sources are needed. When we have these sources ready, it will be all the easier to separate, divide and link the two concepts properly across all these pages. So this is a shout-out to all you history-nerds out there! :-) Come and help us! we need your enlightened guidance!

I might have more comments on your good post Binkternet, but this is it for now. Hope more people will engage constructively to sort out this? RhinoMind (talk) 16:14, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

I think your confusion comes from the fact, that in terms of the state name, Persia and Iran are synonyms :) . Before 1935, Iran was known as Persia, on an international level - the article outlines this problem. So there are no such things, as "Persian culture" and "Iranian culture" being two different things (though the latter may, and does, apply also to the culture of so-called Greater Iran). It's one and the same country, actually it's the same case as ancient and modern Greece. The difference being, that the local name of Persia, Iran, became promoted on an international level, whereas the local name of Greece, Hellas, was not. More on this, here: Name of Iran. Anyway, if you were searching for Persian culture, there are appropriate sections in the article :) . See also Persian Empire. 94.72.119.168 (talk) 21:12, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Can we all agree on an exact form of government?

I am not an Iran expert, but I read articles on countries a lot. When I am waiting at restaurants or the post office, I often read the first few paragraphs about countries on mobile Wikipedia. I've looked at this article maybe five times in the past few months. Almost every time, the terminology used for Iran's government changes. Sometimes it's a presidential state, sometimes a theocracy, sometimes an Islamic republic, sometimes a constitutional government...and so forth.
Look, I don't care much either way as long as it's accurate. But the changing nomenclature every few weeks makes the site seem inconsistent and unprofessional. Whether the current nomenclature is the most acceptable or not, can we at least get that in writing here on the talk page from a wide selection of editors? That way, it will be official and the back-and-forth changes will have no basis. MezzoMezzo (talk) 05:33, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

To get things started, I would like to lay out what ought to be discussed.

I don't think there is any disagreement that Iran is a unitary state, not a federal one.

On paper, they have a Presidential system. That may or may not be included in the final decision on nomenclature.

They are not a monarchy; that's quite clear.

Beyond that, though, there seem to be some questions which the community of editors should answer:

Iran calls itself an Islamic republic. A republic draws its power source from the people, whereas a theocracy derives it from clergy. Can a state be both republican and theocratic at the same time?

If so, which term comes first?

If not, which term takes precedence? Why?

I don't mean to make this sound like an exam, but I think this will help put any disagreement to rest. Articles on other countries like South Korea, Mexico and Germany might serve as examples regarding how the "government" tab is formed. MezzoMezzo (talk) 05:38, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

One thing I would like to say is that we need to stop labeling the Islamic republics as simply "Islamic republic" in the infobox. What does that even mean? I've seen this in Iran as well as Afghanistan. This doesn't describe the structure of the government - even the most basic description of whether or not it's unitary is omitted. Abstractematics (talk) 03:19, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

There are several paragraphs at Theocracy#Iran about the government of Iran. It describes Iran's constitution is a "hybrid" of "theocratic and democratic elements". It has references to many scholarly sources. I wonder why that careful argument is in a wiki page about Theocracy and not in the page about Iran. JanetElizabeth (talk) 22:40, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

History of Iran needs attention

This is silly: 1736 under Nader Shah, Iran would once again reach high prominence, reaching its greatest territorial extent since the Sassanid Empire, and briefly possessing what was arguably the most powerful empire in the world should be removed. Spain Portugal China england france russia, iran?...(-; — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.211.58.197 (talk) 21:46, 20 January 2015 (UTC) I was very surprised that there was not any mention of the Iranian-Russian wars which led to the Treaty of Turkmenchay in which Iran lost considerable lands to Russia. In fact there is little about Russia meddling in the internal affairs of Iran in the past century. For one example, Iran lost one-third of its population in the world war I, primary due to the wars between the Russian government and Ottomans inside Iran. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Qudas (talk • contribs) 15:46, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

I have now added this.Monopoly31121993 (talk) 17:37, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

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Complete Official Religions

Please complete the official religions of the country. Sunni_Islam is missing from the listQudas (talk) 12:41, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

this has been added.Monopoly31121993 (talk) 17:38, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 November 2014

mashhad ali laghari najaf ali laghari

sindhi.and,pakistan — Preceding unsigned comment added by 39.51.82.79 (talk) 16:20, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 November 2014

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Not done: Your request is blank. Stickee (talk) 10:52, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 November 2014

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Your request is blank. This template is for requesting changes in the form of "please change X to Y". Stickee (talk) 10:54, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

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food contributions

These foods probably don't fall under the category of 'cuisine' but it would be nice if readers were made aware of the following facts with respect to the origins of certain fruits, vegetables and foods --

1) (2000 BC) - Peaches are a fruit of Iranian origin, as indicated by their Latin scientific name, Prunus persica, from which (by way of the French) we have the English word "peach."

2) (500 BC) - First cultivation of spinach

Spinach is thought to have originated in ancient Persia (modern Iran and neighboring countries). It is not known by whom, or when, spinach was introduced to India, but the plant was subsequently introduced to ancient China, where it was known as "Persian vegetable" (bōsī cài; 波斯菜; present:菠菜). The earliest available record of the spinach plant was recorded in Chinese, stating it was introduced into China via Nepal (probably in 647 AD).

3) (700 AD) - The Cookie.

Cookies appear to have their origins in 7th century AD Persia, shortly after the use of sugar became relatively common in the region.[1] They spread to Europe through the Muslim conquest of Spain. By the 14th century, they were common in all levels of society throughout Europe, from royal cuisine to street vendors.

4) ice cream

In the Persian Empire, people would pour grape-juice concentrate over snow, in a bowl, and eat this as a treat. This was done primarily when the weather was hot, using snow saved in the cool-keeping underground chambers known as "yakhchal", or taken from snowfall that remained at the top of mountains by the summer capital Ecbatana. In 400 BC, the Persians went further and invented a special chilled food, made of rose water and vermicelli, which was served to royalty during summers.[10] The ice was mixed with saffron, fruits, and various other flavours.

5) wine

The earliest chemically attested grape wine in the world was discovered at Hajji Firuz in the northwestern Zagros Mountains of Iran, ca. 5400 BC. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.79.143.139 (talk) 04:11, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

6) carrots

The wild ancestors of the carrot are likely to have come from Persia (regions of which are now Iran and Afghanistan), which remain the centre of diversity of Daucus carota, the wild carrot