Talk:Internet

Percentage of information carried through the internet

"It is estimated that in 1993 the Internet carried only 1% of the information flowing through two-way telecommunication, by 2000 this figure had grown to 51%, and by 2007 more than 97% of all telecommunicated information was carried over the Internet." - Where exactly in the linked source is this taken from? I cannot find this anywhere in the text :-( -- toblu [?!] 16:34, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

It does seem strange. "The information flowing through two-way telecommunication" - what does that even mean? Does it include radio, landline, satellite, mobile phone? What do we mean by "carried over the Internet"? TCP/IP? I couldn't find anything relevant in the linked document, although it did often offer comparative figures for other things for those exact years. But it is 254 pages long. --Nigelj (talk) 17:30, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

1. Communication

Communication At the moment the easiest thing that can be done using the internet is that we can communicate with the people living far away from us with extreme ease. Earlier the communication used to be a daunting task but all that chanced once internet came into the life of the common people. Now people can not only chat but can also do the video conferencing. It has become extremely easy to contact the loved ones who are in some other part of the world. Communication is the most important gift that the internet has given to the common man. Email, social networking sites are some of the prime example of it. This is one such gift of the internet which is cherished by everyone and has made our life easier to much extent.

2. Research

Research Now the point that has been placed next is research. In order to do research you need to go through hundreds of books as well as the references and that was one of the most difficult jobs to do earlier. Since the internet came into life, everything is available just a click away. You just have to search for the concerned topic and you will get hundreds of references that may be beneficial for your research. And since internet is here to make your research public, you can then benefit a large amount of people from the research work that you have done. Research is one such thing which has got lots of benefit from this evolution of internet. Research process has now got wings and has gained the most due to the internet.

3. Education

Education The next point that we have in this list is education. Yes you read it right. Education is one of the best things that the internet can provide. There are a number of books, reference books, online help centres, expert’s views and other study oriented material on the internet that can make the learning process very easier as well as a fun learning experience. There are lots and lots of websites which are related to different topic. You can visit them and can gain endless amount of knowledge that you wish to have. With the use of internet for education, you are non-longer dependent on some other person to come and teach you. There are various number of tutorials available over the internet using which you can learn so many thing very easily. There can’t be any excellent use of the internet other than education as it is the key to achieve everything in life.

4. Financial Transaction

Financial Transaction The next use mentioned here is financial transaction. Financial transaction is the term which is used when there is exchange of money. With the use of internet in the financial transaction, your work has become a lot easier. Now you don’t need to stand in the queue at the branch of your particular bank rather you can just log in on to the bank website with the credential that has been provided to you by the bank and then can do any transaction related to finance at your will. With the ability to do the financial transaction easily over the internet you can purchase or sell items so easily. Financial transaction can be considered as one of the best uses of resource in the right direction.

5. Real Time Updates

Real Time Updates Real time updates have been placed at the number fifth position here. This has been mentioned here in regards to the news and other happenings that may be on-going in different parts of the world but with the use of internet we come to know about it very easily and without any difficulty. There are various websites on the internet which provides you with the real time updates in every field be it in business, sports, finance, politics, entertainment and others. Many a time the decisions are taken on the real time updates that are happening in various parts of the world and this is where internet is very essential and helpful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.206.119.99 (talk) 14:16, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Are you implying that all of this information should be included in the article? I don't understand the relevance of all these details here. Discuss? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lisa012 (talk • contribs) 11:54, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Photo of ICANN headquarters

The photo that is appears here is not of the same building that is shown in the ICANN article. It seems to be a photo of the building in which the Information Sciences Institute is located, and was probably not updated when ICANN moved. Perhaps someone who knows which photo is correct could update this. Thanks. Jim (talk) 15:11, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

This is a photo of ICANN's Los Angeles hub office, which is located in the Playa Vista district. The office was moved from Marina del Rey several years ago. 2620:0:2D0:100:ACB7:D42D:D42B:9739 (talk) 19:57, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

History of the Internet

On October 14, 2011, a modification was done to the history of the Internet classified as "Haircut", but all references to the WorldWideWeb was removed. This was a very important part of the history of the Internet. Plus, the section discussed how the Internet gained a public face only during the 90s, which was also a very good point. Can these two points be brought back to the history? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:3A57:ADC0:34E9:8AE7:EC7A:5EC8 (talk) 18:00, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Earliest Australian Physical "Internet" Link

An interesting anecdote about tthe first physical (hardware) layer connection of Australia with the U.S. might be apropos here. I personally worked at a company (WLBR) in LA which collected (buffered) email and INN files on 2 magtapes which were handcarried by a 747 TWA pilot on his semi-weekly flights between LA and Sydney. This was the earliest connection of Australia to an ARPANET gateway for news and email service. It illustrates the old adage "Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with magnetic media barreling down a highway at 70mph."

--2600:1010:B04B:EB58:0:3E:96E9:3201 (talk) 00:17, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

See also sneakernet. Is there a source that describes your claim, because that'd be an interesting addition to this article (or sneakernet). Mindmatrix 01:21, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 March 2015

-- — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.218.245.31 (talk) 13:16, 10 March 2015‎

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Please don't just copy the entire text of the Internet page over into the talk page! That messes up the talk page's formatting, and the only result will be an editor removing your request. Instead, state the specific thing you want changed, along the lines of "Where it says 'foo foo foo', change it to 'bar bar bar', for this reason: XYZ" — Narsil (talk) 21:07, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 April 2015

175.31.186.159 (talk) 08:33, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 09:40, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

inaccurate censorship graphic

hi all,

just thought i'd point out that the current graphic shown here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Internet_Censorship_and_Surveillance_World_Map.svg is inaccurate. i thought it was a little bit weird that the graphic would put, say, china, the US, and saudi arabia all on the same levels of censorship ... so i followed the citation link. it links to the open net initiative and shows a vastly different picture than the one on the page: http://map.opennet.net/filtering-pol.html. "internet censorship and surveillance world map" doesn't actually even appear to be one of ONI's categories -- they have "political", "social", "conflict/security", and "internet tools". just thought i should point out that this page in its current form is presenting what seems to me to be misleading information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.247.32.162 (talk) 22:05, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

The map summarizes the Wikipedia article Internet censorship and surveillance by country. I beleive that the summary in the map accurately summarizes the article. See that article for the details about how the summary is currently done. The OpenNet Initiative is one of the two main sources used in that article. The other is Reporters Without Borders' Enemies list. There are fairly recent discussions about possible changes to the article and the map that, if done, would make a clearer distinction between censorship and surveillance. Please join in. The discussions can be found at:

• Talk:Censorship by country#This list should only depict censorship
• Talk:Censorship by country#One of the sources for this article going away, what should be done?
• Talk:Internet censorship and surveillance by country#Main sources for this article going away, what should be done?
• Commons:File talk:Internet Censorship and Surveillance World Map.svg#Request new image to reflect updated list
• Commons:File talk:Internet Censorship and Surveillance World Map.svg#United States
• Commons:File talk:Internet Censorship and Surveillance World Map.svg#Creating another image that only depicts censorship

--Jeff Ogden (W163) (talk) 22:33, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Modern Internet

The opening paragraph says that the creation of the web marks the beginning of the 'modern internet' I would say that this is a bit of a misnomer, as there really is no 'modern internet' the web is not synonymous with the Internet, and is just an application which runs on its infrastructure. It may be the the most commonly used application, but it is not the Internet itself. The modern, and only, Internet began with the rollout of TCP/IP on January 1st 1983, thus standardizing a method of inter-network communication that basically makes the Internet happen. Also to say that ARPANET evolved out of efforts in Britain and France isn't entirely accurate either. Both countries had their own projects going on, but work on communication protocols and packet switching concepts was already happing in the US at that same time as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.47.156.190 (talk) 21:55, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

I agree that packet switching work was already in progress in the US and that passage needs to be better balanced, but the term "modern internet" seems fine to me. The Internet was just one of many computer networks prior to 1990 and was essentially an obscure academic toy. Many people back then still believed the train wreck known as OSI represented the future of telecommunications. It was the rise of the World Wide Web which captured the popular imagination of computer users around the world and created the contemporary "one network to rule them all" situation where virtually all other networking technologies have withered away or were subsumed under the TCP/IP umbrella. Yes, I am making a literary allusion. --Coolcaesar (talk) 17:37, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

I guess it isn't really a big deal if it is worded this way. I am just saying that while the Web popularized the Internet, it did not create the Internet. The Internet does not need the web to exist or to work, but it does make the Internet much easier and more accessible to the average person. From a technological standpoint packet switching and TCP/IP are basically the Internet, but from a public usefulness standpoint you could argue that the web does too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chrono85 (talk • contribs) 19:52, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

World control

Will it fly? Probably not.

Headline-1: Kerry: Internet 'Needs Rules to Be Able to Flourish and Work Properly'

• http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/kerry-internet-needs-rules-be-able-flourish-and-work-properly_949526.html

QUOTE: "Calls for more international Internet laws. 2:15 PM, MAY 18, 2015 • BY DANIEL HALPER" -- Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 00:17, 19 May 2015 (UTC) -- PS: FYI for future editing. New NEWS today, for future editing

The headline seems misleading. Kerry seemed to be saying that countries need rules (international laws) and some of those rules would apply to countries use of and behavior on the Internet. So, it is rules for countries and not rules for the Internet and certainly not "World control" of the Internet. --Jeff Ogden (W163) (talk) 04:13, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

The internet. Trolling you with bad capitalization since 1883...

quote: "Historically the word internet was used, uncapitalized, as early as 1883 as a verb and adjective to refer to interconnected motions.[citation needed]"

Is this a typo meaning 1983? Or an off-topic but intentional point about weird history. I could find no reference or citation, so should it be removed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.88.143.148 (talk) 06:43, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

Very likely vandalism. Feel free to revert. Whomever inserted that nonsense needs to be monitored for possible suspension or banning from Wikimedia Foundation projects. --Coolcaesar (talk) 07:14, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

The earliest I could trace such a statement back so far on the wide web was http://markhillpublishing.com/the-internet-transistor-radio/ I would like to leave that blogger a comment asking if they have any idea where they got that from, and if it was maybe something we could cite, but I can't get through their logon process yet. Maybe it's rubbish, but it's interesting to trace things back. --Nigelj (talk) 10:15, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

This information was added here in this edit in 2012 by Pol098 (talk · contribs).. with a reference. The reference is not online, and I don't have access to the full OED at the moment to verify it. I don't know who removed the reference, why or when. I'll reinstate the ref, and try and find some template to tag it with 'citation not verified' or some other similar thing if I can find the right template. I think this is worth a few days of background research before just deleting it. --Nigelj (talk) 10:31, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

As the original poster of this information, I should comment. The 3rd edition of the OED has an entry for "internetted" with citations dating back now to 1849 ("1849 W. F. Lynch Narr. U.S. Exped. River Jordan & Dead Sea xxii. 450 Her hair..was internetted with minute spiculæ of gold."); this form is mentioned in the article on "internet" as an adjective ("Interconnected; interwoven. Now rare."), but not as a noun. The 2nd ed, which I cited in my original edit, gave as earliest citation "1883 A. S. Herschel in Nature 15 Mar. 458/2 The marvellous maze of internetted motions." So an intentional point about weird history, not a typo or vandalism. While Wikipedia has no requirement for a source to be available online, the OED is (on subscription). I'm not sure if this works in general, but when I've clicked on a properly formatted reference to the OED in Wikipedia (template {{OED}}) without being logged in to OED I've been taken to the appropriate page [Added later: this didn't work after a reboot, login required, so not valid]. HTH Pol098 (talk) 11:29, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

P.S. This is a cycle I've seen quite often: information provided with source ==> source gets deleted ==> {{citation needed}} added ==> information gets deleted. Pol098 (talk) 11:59, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

I concur with Pol098's analysis and apologize. To clarify my remark above, whomever deleted the citation should be suspended or banned. --Coolcaesar (talk) 12:31, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

No culprit as such here, sorry; I've just noticed that the original OED reference wasn't deleted, but other text was inserted between the statement and the reference (also a common occurrence). This wasn't even wrong; the original reference applied also to the inserted text. I've just deleted the original reference, now duplicated by my recent edit. Pol098 (talk) 13:38, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks guys. I think it reads much better now, and it is more obvious that it is a point about weird history. It's probably a little off-topic, but I think interesting enough to be mentioned. There is really no connection between the 19th century meanings and today's, but hey maybe thats in itself point enough. Nice. -- same anonymous coward that opened this topic just in case it wasn't vandalism. P.S. how do you close out/delete a discussion? Or do you? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.88.143.148 (talk) 03:31, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Origins of the Internet

'The origins of the Internet date back to research commissioned by the United States government in the 1960s to build robust, fault-tolerant communication via computer networks' needs to be changed to: The origins of the Internet date back to research commissioned by the United States government and the government of the United Kingdom in the 1960s to build robust, fault-tolerant communication via computer networks. I have the required citations from the NPL, The Guardian and The InterNet Hall of Fame which categorically show that both the US and the UK were independently working on, 'robust, fault-tolerant communication via computer networks' and that while British pioneers helped develop Arpanet the same was not true at NPL. Also, don't forget that the first digital local network in the world to use packet switching and high-speed links was at the NPL campus. I'll wait a week for any objections before updating the article. regards.Twobells^t@lk 20:25, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

NO. You must not conflate the development of packet switching, which is only one aspect of the project, with the development of the Internet. Similar efforts were ongoing in France as well, and both countries were already credited with such work in the lede, and I find that placement already almost too much detail for a summary. The ARPANET was a DOD project and the only places where researchers reported to was Washington, not London, or anywhere. This has nothing to do with ignoring Davies' work, or Pouzin's for that matter. They can certainly be credited in the body for their parts, if not already, but their home-base research networks have nothing to do with the ARPANET. Kbrose (talk) 01:29, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

With respect, I do not see a problem, Davies work was the very basis to ArpaNet, American scientists directly involved confirm that and he should be credited along with Roger Scantlebury and Peter Wilkingson, I have the Guardian and NPL sources that categorically show that their work led to the creation of ARPANET. Also, The origins of the Internet date back to research commissioned by the United States government in the 1960s to build robust, fault-tolerant communication via computer networks, the Internet dates back to the work done by France, the UK and US (listed alphabetically) editors have no right to claim that America invented the net. If you want, I am happy to get an rfc on the issue but the sources "Packets of data were the key...". NPL. Retrieved 1 August 2015. Scantlebury, Roger; Wilkinson, Peter (25 June 2013). "Internet pioneers airbrushed from history". The Guardian. Retrieved 1 August 2015. (two among many) speak for themselves, regards. Twobells^t@lk 11:10, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Early research efforts belong in the body of the article, not in the lede. The body has indeed a section where precursor work is outlined. Like in any large research project ideas get assimilated from many sources, but this does not constitute the claim being made. Researchers have always communicated internationally. Packet switching was not just NPL's achievement, Baran did the identical work earlier actually, before Davies, in the US, and it too was funded by the DoD. Yes, Davies created the name packet switching and was the first to widely recognized for the concepts, and the article does that already, but in the end, it was the DARPA project leadership and funding that is to be credited solely for creation of the Internet through the late 80s. If there were any credible collaboration to incorporate the concept into DARPA code, the networks would have been interconnected at an early state, but they weren't because the DARPA folks created their own implementation and protocols were completely different and non-interoperable. It is easy to claim credit decades later, especially with "marketing" references that you are using, which seem to have a sort of activist flavor, but it just wasn't so. Everyone knows about Davies' work, and he is amply cited for that, but if you really want to be true to sources, then you should also mention that Davies himself credited Baran for the most relevant previous work. Yours are not reliable references for the claim. Kbrose (talk) 13:06, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

category

Category:Media technology should be removed. 203.109.161.2 (talk) 22:10, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

"Deep Web"

The usage and primary topic of Deep Web is under discussion, see talk:Dark Web -- 67.70.32.190 (talk) 03:48, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 August 2015

Hi! I would like to request that the photo for this article be changed to the image hosted at https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHU3ncmUEAAcs6C.jpg:large

I feel this image properly encompasses the spirit of the internet and should be the representative visualization of it on this page.

Thanks for your time! Nikki 156.34.95.3 (talk) 06:38, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Not done: For what I hope are obvious reasons. Hulk Hogan =/= the internet. Cannolis (talk) 07:58, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

The Internet and cats

Please swing by and help improve this new article! :D--Coin945 (talk) 03:30, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

Bill Nye for National Science Foundation

Internet by Bill Nye for National Science Foundation

Suggested file to add to this article. — Cirt (talk) 17:02, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 October 2015

59.99.68.225 (talk) 13:27, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 October 2015

computer 59.99.68.225 (talk) 13:32, 14 October 2015 (UTC)