Talk:The Empire Strikes Back

"Darth Sidious" versus "Emperor Palpatine"

There seems to be a bit of an edit disagreement between user:Robynthehode and an anonymous IP concerning whether the Emperor is to be referred to as "Darth Sidious" or "Emperor Palpatine", so I thought I'd throw in my two cents. I am not a Star Wars aficionado, having seen the trilogy fewer than a dozen times, none of the prequels, and maybe only a couple of the (non-canon) books that have come out. My only contributions to the Star Wars articles have been the inclusion of alt text for the benefit of visually impaired users of this encyclopedia who use screen readers.

As a non-expert in Star Wars, I had never heard of "Darth Sidious" until now. From my non-expert point of view, calling the Emperor "the Emperor" is to be preferred. Stigmatella aurantiaca (talk) 11:40, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

I have also reverted that user numerous times over this. They come back every few days and make the same incompetent edits on the same bunch of articles again and again. This is a real-world versus fictional perspective issue really. The name Sidious was invented for the prequel trilogy long after this film came out. Mezigue (talk) 12:48, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanks to you both. I have been reverting the edits because: one, the facts regarding the 'Darth Sidious' inclusion are on the side of non-inclusion (unless I am mistaken and another editor can provide sources) and a non visible note asking for the Darth Sidious text to be excluded is repeatedly being ignored and often the note is also being removed. Such anonymous editors are essentially vandals. They don't have the decency to take their argument to the talk page or to make any comments when they make their edits. I for one will keep reverting such edits (as I do in other articles) on principle although I do regularly politely ask them in my reverts to take their challenge to the talk page - although this is ignored Robynthehode (talk) 13:14, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

Time Magazine Cover

Should there be reference to the famous Time Magazine Cover during the Falklands Crisis, (soon to be Falklands War), in this article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.84.88.20 (talk) 23:30, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

Genre classification

There is a discussion in progress concerning the "epic space opera" label being used throughout the Star Wars film articles. Both epic and space opera are being questioned in the lead. Please voice your opinion on the matter at: Talk:Star Wars (film)#Epic sf war film. --GoneIn60 (talk) 16:57, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

Ad Lib During Filming

The story that Irvin Kershner told Harrison Ford to "improvise on the spot" and then he changed his line from "I love you too" to "I know" appears to be false. There's a transcript of an audiotape made at the time that has them discussing the scene before shooting, and that's where Ford comes up with the line. Also, the original line being replaced had Han promising Leia that he'd be back. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.88.64.228 (talk • contribs)

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How did Luke know...

When Luke flies from Dagobah to Cloud City to help Leia and Han, there's no explanation of how he knows they are supposed to be there.

Whether he knows for some reason or just senses it or is told by the Force or the spirit of Obi Wan Kenobi or whatever, it should be mentioned. And if the movie itself doesn't explain it, it's also worth mentioning. Teo8976 (talk) 12:57, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

• No Wikipedia is not a place for speculation unless reliable sources can be found for this information and it is also notable. Not everything has to be included in Wikipedia articles and this is of minor interest to general readers. And that is whom an encylopaedia article is aimed at. Robynthehode (talk) 20:14, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

Plus, you know, the movie DOES explain it anyway. "I saw a city in the clouds." (L) "Friends you have there." (Y) DP76764 (Talk) 20:44, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

Yes thanks DP76764 (Talk) I'd forgotten about that but my general point still stands - an encyclopeadia article does not have to contain every piece of minor information about the article's subject Robynthehode (talk) 21:35, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

I think the OP's point was not that it be included as a piece of trivia or anything like that, but that it's a pretty significant plot point, without which the last part of the plot summary makes no sense. (and if it makes no sense there's no point in having a plot summary). Since it is explained in the movie as you say, I don't see the harm in adding in a few words to connect the dots for those reading the plot summary (something like "After seeing a vision of his friends in danger, Luke travels to Bespin..."). I don't see it as a piece of meaningless trivia (and we all agree that those should not be included, this plot summary reads quite nicely), but a key facet of the plot. After all, the whole premise of the second part of the movie is that Luke was lured into a trap...it's why Vader is there at all, it's why Han, Leia, et al are captured, etc. etc. By omitting the explanation of why Luke goes there in the first place makes it nonsensical (right now it doesn't make sense). And the fact that it is explained in the movie takes it out of the realm of fan speculation, so no violation of those principles in including here?70.91.35.27 (talk) 18:04, 19 January 2016 (UTC)Tim

Perhaps to put this into context, the current plot summary says: "The spirit of his late mentor, Obi-Wan Kenobi, instructs him to go to the Dagobah system to train under Jedi Master Yoda." This could just as easily have been simplified to read "Luke then goes to the Dogabah system..." but that would of course beg the question "why?" Jumping ahead to where Luke goes to Bespin, one would similarly like to know "why?"...even for a basic understanding of the plot (which is the purpose of the summary). So a very very brief "non-speculation" addition seems like it would make as much sense here is it did earlier in the plot summary. 70.91.35.27 (talk) 18:18, 19 January 2016 (UTC)Tim