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Template:Turkish elections

Hello Nub Cake. As you may have seen, I reverted your addition of Cihanbeyli by-election, 2002 to the Turkish elections template. The template is only for elections to national bodies (or local elections carried out across the country at a single time), so a single by-election for a mayor would not be appropriate for the template. In all other cases where by-elections are present on these templates, they are only for the national parliament. Thanks, Number 57 14:59, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. Not sure why it would matter so much, especially as the infobox is hardly clustered and it simply just provides an easier way of viewing the Cihanbeyli by-election, 2002 page, which after all is a by-election in Turkey. If you insist on not including it, however, then it's not a big deal. Nub Cake (talk) 17:31, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox constituency

Why have you added so many blanks to Template:Infobox constituency? Alakzi (talk) 21:28, 12 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Please don't fork {{Infobox constituency}}; if it's missing relevant fields, I can help with adding them. Alakzi (talk) 22:23, 12 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Hi. Apologies, I didn't know this wasn't allowed. The reason I copied the code from {{Infobox constituency}} to {{Infobox Grand National Assembly of Turkey electoral district}} was so we could add the number of MPs from an individual party to the infoboxes on the articles for the Electoral districts of Turkey (see, for example, Denizli (electoral district)). I tried, but this didn't seem to be possible without copying the code directly from the constituency template to the Grand National Assembly template. Nub Cake (talk) 22:27, 12 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
It is allowed, but it's not necessarily a good idea. I'll see if I can add this to {{Infobox constituency}} tomorrow. Alakzi (talk) 22:35, 12 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, thanks. Just to clarify, my intention was to be able to have composition bars for different parties and the number of MPs they have in a constituency. I tried to add this feature to the Grand National Assembly template, but it transpired that the way I did it meant that the party I put first in the template is ordered first on every infobox. For example, if I put the Justice and Development Party (AKP) first in the template, then the AKP's composition bar will appear first in all the infoboxes, despite the fact that they may not have the most number of MPs (For example in Izmir). Nub Cake (talk) 22:50, 12 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
See the sandbox and testcases. Alakzi (talk) 23:12, 12 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks very much for that, I think that pretty much overcame the problem I had. Just two more small things though, there are constituency articles (e.g. Tokat (electoral district) that list the constituencies historical number of seats from the 1920s up till now. Putting this information after ' |seats = ' , however, will probably mean that the composition boxes will stop working. I'm guessing this can be solved by simply adding a new label (e.g. in the constituency infobox template? Finally, would it make more sense to have the list of MPs under the 'representation' heading by adding another label under the parties instead of using the one under 'current electoral district'? Nevertheless, thanks for your help! Nub Cake (talk) 23:49, 12 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Why will the composition boxes stop working? I think that it's probably better not to add more custom parameters than necessary. Alakzi (talk) 12:31, 13 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Becuase the composition boxes depend on the seat number, don't they? So if the seats parameter is 7, the composition boxes will show x / 7. If the seats parameter was 7 (2011-)<br>6 (1999-2011)<br>10 (1983-1999), then the composition box would look like x / 7 (2011-)<br>6 (1999-2011)<br>10 (1983-1999), which I'm pretty sure would give an error. Nub Cake (talk) 12:35, 13 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The easiest thing to do would be to add an extra parameter, {{{Current seats}}}. We could use Module:String to extract the number from {{{Seats}}}, but I'd really rather not. Alakzi (talk) 12:41, 13 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Is it okay if I work on it then and see if I can find a way round it by causing minimal disruption to it as possible? I don't really see why a list of the previous number of seats is necessary in the first place but since they're there in some constituency articles, I don't really want to delete information either. Nub Cake (talk) 12:43, 13 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
That would be an additional parameter. Why would there be disruption? Alakzi (talk) 12:48, 13 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Apologies, I misread your message. Nub Cake (talk) 12:51, 13 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I've added a parameter {{{Historical seats}}} which follows just after the current number of seats. It seems to have worked on the testcase. Nub Cake (talk) 12:57, 13 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Is it all sorted now? Let me know if you need help with anything. Alakzi (talk) 02:36, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I think so, thanks very much for your help. I'll leave you a message if there are any problems. Nub Cake (talk) 11:19, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Okay so I had to remove the refs-neither one can be opened unless if you are the webmaster it says. So looks like new refs are needed! Wgolf (talk) 00:31, 21 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Although i don't know you, i appreciate your good work on articles about Turkish politics. Keep up the good work. kazekagetr 20:25, 6 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks very much, I appreciate it! Nub Cake (talk) 16:56, 8 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Devlet Bahçeli

Hi Nub Cake, as I understood you are Turkish but anyway I am writing in English just in case. I uploaded couple more Devlet Bahçeli's photos on commons. FYI, Regards, Fenerli1978 (talk) 10:31, 8 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Fenerli. This is very good news. The existing photos we had of him were very blurry. Thank you! Nub Cake (talk) 16:54, 8 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Opinion polling for the 2015 Turkish general election

You seem to be updating this page. I noticed a "Cite error: The named reference fotogaleri.bugun.com.tr was invoked but never defined (see the help page)." do you think you can fix this? I hate to see such a well sourced page lack one. :) -- A Certain White Cat chi? 21:55, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks for notifying me. This seems like it was due to the fact that an actual source wasn't actually supplied, but just referred to (sorry for the lack of technical terms!) Fortunately, this particular poll is available from numerous sources, most of which are credible (Turkey-wise). I've replaced the error with a different source denoting the same polling result. Nub Cake (talk) 22:04, 21 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Turkish general elections, 2015

Hi Nub Cake, I uploaded to many photos on commons and also I have to much own work about election. I will upload after next week all of them. Regards, Fenerli1978 (talk) 00:45, 6 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Nubcake, can you look at the here. Fenerli1978 (talk) 20:17, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for all you've done so far! Nub Cake (talk) 22:47, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Cut and paste move

Hello Nub Cake. I see you redirected an article at Turkish general election, 2019 to create a new one at Next Turkish general election. This is a WP:Cut and paste move and is not allowed. If you want to move an article to another title, you have to go through the WP:RM process. As a result, I have restored the 2019 article and turned the "next" article back into a redirect. Cheers, Number 57 20:03, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Defaultsort

Defaultsort is {{DEFAULTSORT:Surname, Firstname}}. Also, only the 26-letters of the English alphabet are allowed. Bgwhite (talk) 06:35, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I'll bear that in mind. May I ask what is this for in the first place? Nub Cake (talk) 09:08, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
It sorts people in categories by their surname. Number 57 11:32, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Your HDP-votes map

Hey Nubcake. You have coloured Bingöl wrongly in the map [1]. Just wanted to let you know. --Ahmetyal (talk) 14:14, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

25th Parliament of Turkey

I took the liberty of creating the category Category:Members of the 25th Parliament of Turkey instead - I think it's a better title. Hope you don't mind. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 14:54, 17 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. Thanks! Nub Cake (talk) 14:59, 17 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Any time. Keep up the good work, and happy editing! --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 15:09, 17 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Thousand Hope Candidates

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Hi. I added the Labour, Democracy and Freedom Bloc to the list, since it is almost exactly the same as the Thousand Hope Candidates but their re-boot in 2011. Thanks, Nub Cake (talk) 20:00, 19 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Governors

Hi you’ve started a series of articles about the governors of the provinces. I observed that for the functions you link to Governor (Turkey). But actually the functions in 30 provinces and the other 51 provinces are not the same. I suggest you create two different paragraphs to be used in the 30 and 51 provinces respectively. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 17:40, 2 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I did a bit of research before starting these articles but did not observe any differences in functions. Could you elaborate or list some sources about this? Thanks. Nub Cake (talk) 17:42, 2 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]


Bureaucratic

Why are you using this word in all the governor articles? It seems very peculiar and I can't see that it adds anything. Are they not elected political positions? Wikiombudsman (talk) 02:27, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Nope. Read the 'appointment' bit. Nub Cake (talk) 07:15, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Joined. Thank you so much! I'll do my best to help improve articles mentioned on the project page, though I'm mostly interested in the political aspects personally. Nub Cake (talk) 11:46, 21 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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I'm sorry, I didn't see that. Thanks very much for pointing it out. I'll remove the one on the Erdoğan Toprak page (and any others I find) right away. Nub Cake (talk) 15:06, 7 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Thank you for correcting my flaw about Turkish general election

Hi Thanks a lot about that. Also I need help of you. There is a problem about Turkish Kurdistan article. Some Kurdish sympathizer wants to be known wrong information. They try to show area of majority Kurdish population larger than it became. Objective information is important. They are saying Osmaniye, Kahramanmaraş also Malatya has Kurdish majority. We know that it is wrong. They try to convince that from east of Ankara is completely Kurdistan. Same area also known Greater Armania too historically. They try to change the history. It is written Malatya, Kahraman Maraş and many Turkish majority cities are in Kurdistan and Turkish State refuses. They try to show Kurdish population higher, majority areas larger, Turkish state annexed them; Armenians didnt live there; there was just Kurdish population on this area. Just read the article. We know that there is a majority Kurdish population. That area is called Kurdistan without the official. But information has to be objective and real. They are trying to make propaganda. Please cover the article and keep the information objective. Antmqr (talk) 01:14, 11 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Türkçe bildiğinizi anlayarak Türkçe yazma kararı aldım. Belirttiğim sayfa PKK sempatizan propaganda sayfasına dönmüş durumda. CIA tarafından hazırlanmış haritaları değiştirerek neredeyse Ankara'nın doğusunu Kürdistan şeklinde göstermeye çalıştılar. Bu konuyu bir kaç yöneticiyle görüştüm. Orjinal CIA haritalarını değiştirmelerini engellediler. Sayfada bulunan haritaları inceleyerek durumu görebilirsiniz. Aynı zamanda İslam ansiklopedisi gibi bir kaynakça kullanarak yazılı bir şekilde pek çok Türk çoğunluklu illeri Kürt şehir gibi göstermeye çalışıyorlar. Doğru bir kaynakla gerçeği yazdığında direk siliyorlar. Kürdistan olarak bilinen toprak miktarının olduğundan fazla, nufüslarını olduğundan çok göstermeye çalışıyorlar. Tarihten beri bölgede sadece Kürtlerin olduğunu ve Türkiye Devletinin işgal ettiğine inandırmaya çalışıyorlar. Hepimiz biliyoruz ki Kürdistan olarak gösterilen bölge Selçuklulardan önce Ermeni yurdu anılırken, Selçuklulardan sonra giderek Türkleşti. Fakat Yavuz Sultan Selim ve İdrisi Bitlis'i trafından alevi Türkmenleri yok edilerek bölgenin nüfus yapısı değişti. Alevi Türkmenlerinin azalması, Şafi sünni Kürtlerinin artmasıyla bölge Kürtleşti. Ermeni tecriti ile bölge nüfus çoğunluğu Kürtlere geçti. Onların inandırmaya çalıştıysa bölge hep Kürttü Türk devleti onları işgal etti. Wikipedia güçlü bir kaynak. Tek istediğim gerçeklerin bilinmesi. Evet Kürt nüfusu çoğunluklu iller hangisiyse onlar yer alsın. Kürdistan olarak gösterilen bölge bir kaç açıdan objektif tarif edilsin. O bölge tarihte Ermenistan olarakta bilindiği yazsın.Ermeni tarihi hiçe sayılmasın. Türkiye Devleti işgalci gibi gösterilmeye çalışılmasın. Yoruldum. Objektif bilgi için yardımınızı rica ediyorum. tartışalım ama sadece gerçekler yazılsın. Saygılarıma Antmqr (talk) 01:42, 11 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • What do you think about the Kurds? I know the territory of Turkey takes with blood. The Kurds have in war and has contributed. It flag represents Kurds too .

Kurds have waged an armed struggle for cultural and political rights and self-determination for Kurds. We believe that the this problem will be resolved with the two states. We want an independent Kurdistan. We do not have a problem with Turks and We want to be neighbors with the Turks. Bruskom (talk) 03:17, 11 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Bruskom This website has to be objective. Our politic thought are not important on wikipedia. Everybody aware of problems in the area. I hope as soon as possible problems are solved in the region. This is important for us to live in a peace. I support peace and solvents. But both of us know that Kahraman Maraş, Gaziantep, Kilis, Malatya, Osmaniye don't have Kurdish majortiy populution too. Both of us know that in the area once Armenian population once was higher then other. I'm with just the right information in wikipedia. Out of the wikipedia everyone can defend their political views. But wikipedia has to be objective. Stay in a peace. Antmqr (talk) 11:11, 11 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
This problem is regrettable but my involvement is limited to reverting edits that clearly represent incorrect information for politically motivated reasons. Politically, I have no problem with the Kurds in the slightest, though even if I did, Wikipedia is not the place to express our political beliefs or influence others through misinformation. If I am honest, the name of the article 'Turkish Kurdistan' is in itself rather controversial. I will do my best to help you stop these certain individuals from attempting to spread propaganda on this page. Saygılar, Nub Cake (talk) 15:58, 16 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nub Cake Bu arkadaş kendi politik düşüncelerini tek doğru otorite gibi kullanmaya çalışıyor Bruskom. Almanlar tarafından yapılmış etnik haritayı türk milliyetçileri yaptı diye silip, HDP oy oranlarını gerçek Kürt çoğunluklu bölgeleri göstermesi açısından sayfada bulunmasını engellemeye çalışıyor. OBJEKTİF bilgiyi anlamıyor arkadaş. Lütfen yardım edin. Antmqr (talk) 15:02, 20 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Vandalizm yapan benmişim gibi göstermeye çalışıyor. Yapabileceğiniz en iyi şey doğruları açıklayan bir mesajı devriye statüsünün üstünde bir teknik yetkiliye bildirmek olacaktır. Bende Türkçe Vikipedia devriyesiyim. Bu tip propagandacılar tarafından sürekli rahatsız edilmekteyiz. Lütfen durumu güçlü bir teknik kullanıcıya aktarın. Bu arkadaşın sayfayı propaganda yeri olarak kullanmasını önleyelim. Benim ingilizce seviyem bu durum için yeterli olmayabilir. Bu konuda yardım etmeniz yeterlidir. Teşekkür ederim. Antmqr (talk) 16:00, 20 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Edit Warring

Nub Cake, I don't want to report you for Edit warring, but if you don't revert your most recent, I will. DrArsenal (talk) 19:59, 5 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

DrArsenal : Go ahead sir. I'm not reverting an edit that is backed up by a source and neither, I hope, are you. If you wish to take matters this far then I'm more than happy for admins to look at the case and decide who's in the wrong. Also, I would encourage you to read the edit warring article carefully before you take such action. Nub Cake (talk) 20:32, 5 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Recep Tayyip Erdoğan

Apparently, you have reverted the edits to Erdogan's page, stating that he is known and regarded as "Usta" and "Uzun Adam" and "Reis" among his supporters. If you want to be consistent and neutral, you should reflect the opinion of both sides, namely both his opponents and his supporters. Even though his opponents brand him as a dictator, his supporters think quite the opposite. You should not have done it.

Here was the portion removed by you: On the other hand, Erdogan is sometimes regarded as "Reis" (means chief in Turkish), "Uzun Adam" (tall man) and "Usta" (master) among his supporters.[1][2][3]

Since I do not have a wikipedia account and since the article seems to be locked, I cannot edit. But I kindly request you to remove your edit and add the portions above. Behaving otherwise is being highly biased.

Thank you.

Hi. Although I am not a fan of Erdoğan, but neither am I insecure enough to remove sentences about his nicknames in an attempt to discredit him on a Wikipedia article. My removal of this information was not politically motivated. It was because information about some nicknames that his supporters give him is really not a significant piece of information that should be included in the lead section of any article. It is far to trivial to be included in a lead that is already quite long. By all means, add this information to a relevant part of the article. Nub Cake (talk) 21:11, 6 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I do not agree with you. You cannot judge whether it is a significant portion of information to be included or not. (In fact, it has been there for a very long time, and the other moderators did not really think that it should be removed. Anyways,) Lead section of an article is what gives the first impression to the reader. In fact, most of the people entering Wikipedia just read the lead section to have an idea about that particular article. If you really want to be neutral, you should keep both aspects in there. Otherwise, someone reading Erdogan's article might just think that he is really a dictator.

If you really want to be consistent, you should either remove the portion regarding "dictatorship" and create a subportion, such as "allegations by opposition journalists" and move that claims there, or revert your edit and keep both aspects in lead section.

In fact, what I really think is that, -as you have said- you are a strong opponent of Erdogan, and as a result of your political view, you are interpreting Wikipedia principles unwittingly in a different way. Your political opinion is not the issue in here and in fact I do not think that you do this purposedly, but you should be aware of the fact that this removal is really does not seem legitimate and seems highly politically motivated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.189.86.204 (talk) 14:15, 7 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. How about you stop trying to tell me what I thought while making this edit and try and understand my reasoning instead. You are claiming that three nicknames given to him by supporters (and also by the way, he is hardly ever known as 'Uzun Adam' anymore) is an important piece of information to be included in the lead section. I don't think it is, and there is plenty of information in the article about his successes that balances out the criticisms (read the bit about the 2023 vision). It is highly trivial and not really noteworthy, whereas accusations of dictatorship definitely are. By your logic, the fact that moderators didn't revert my edit means that I am correct.
Honestly, if my edit was politically motivated, I wouldn't be going after a sentence documenting some nicknames his supporters give him. I'd be deleting the bits about his achievements instead. I am not insecure or worried about readers finding out about what his supporters call him - it's not as if its going to lead to a massive popularity surge. The lead is already too long and information that is added to it should therefore be noteworthy.
I have stated my reasons for removing this information. I'm not going to revert my edit, so if you are so worried about this that you will not see sense in my reasoning above, then please ask someone else to do it for you (of course I might remove it again, but hey... worth a shot) Nub Cake (talk) 19:12, 7 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I have tried to understand your logic -although it really does not make any sense-, an in fact, even provided an explanation to you, without accusing you, if you clearly read and understand what I have told you. I was thinking that you did not revert purposedly, but now I am sure that, you did this on purpose (Even your defensive words, "he is hardly ever known as... or hey.. worth a shot" signals it).

You cannot tell me when I should stop or not. This is another point. Since you are a moderator in Wikipedia, you are responsible for your own entries, as well as edits made by you. If you were a random person, editing something, I would not say this, but your position as a moderator puts a burden on your shoulders.

Again, it is your own view. Watch out, I did not say that, accusations of dictatorship are not noteworthy, but I also say, what his supporters think is also important. In fact, by saying that it is a trivial piece of information, you are somehow ignoring the opinion of his supporters, which is a remarkable percentage in Turkey. I have to say that, you are not at a position to trivialize what is thought by a significant number of people.

Furthermore, people are always picky about the attributions and adjectives. That is to say, a few adjectives are worth tons of information. People always pay attention to rumors and allegations. It clearly does not balance out.

The fact that moderators did not revert your edit is because of you are already a moderator. Moderators are picky about edits made from random IP's, but not about those made by other moderators, unless they are really into the point. Again, you are highly reflecting the typical behaviours exhibited by people of your own political behaviour.

You will not delete the achievements, obviously, due to the reasons I have explained about. You are also aware of the fact that human brain is highly selective to certain words, and removing a few words -such as the ones you have removed- would be much more impactful..

I will not ask for someone to do it, when the protection will expire, I will do it by myself. You sound so childish in your last piece of words (hey... worth a shot, which is basically equivalent to saying that I am a moderator, I can do whatever I want..)

Saying one more time, you are not at a position to regard some opinion held by a significant people as trivial -since this is not a scientific/objective fact- and all you've said is indeed signalling you are politically motivated, although you insist on not admitting.

  1. ^ "AK Partili gençlerden Pınarhisar'a 'Reis' çıkarması".
  2. ^ "Murat Göğebakandan Erdoğana şarkı: Bir Uzun Adam".
  3. ^ "Ünlüler, Başbakan Erdoğan'ı "Usta'nın Hikayesi"nde anlatacak".
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