Talk:Internet

main purpose

The network is used to collect information about users, as well as spying on them, including audio recording, video, correspondence, etc .. This is main. At the moment, it is the main purpose.

Origins of the Internet

'The origins of the Internet date back to research commissioned by the United States government in the 1960s to build robust, fault-tolerant communication via computer networks' needs to be changed to: The origins of the Internet date back to research commissioned by the United States government and the government of the United Kingdom in the 1960s to build robust, fault-tolerant communication via computer networks. I have the required citations from the NPL, The Guardian and The InterNet Hall of Fame which categorically show that both the US and the UK were independently working on, 'robust, fault-tolerant communication via computer networks' and that while British pioneers helped develop Arpanet the same was not true at NPL. Also, don't forget that the first digital local network in the world to use packet switching and high-speed links was at the NPL campus. I'll wait a week for any objections before updating the article. regards.Twobells^t@lk 20:25, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

NO. You must not conflate the development of packet switching, which is only one aspect of the project, with the development of the Internet. Similar efforts were ongoing in France as well, and both countries were already credited with such work in the lede, and I find that placement already almost too much detail for a summary. The ARPANET was a DOD project and the only places where researchers reported to was Washington, not London, or anywhere. This has nothing to do with ignoring Davies' work, or Pouzin's for that matter. They can certainly be credited in the body for their parts, if not already, but their home-base research networks have nothing to do with the ARPANET. Kbrose (talk) 01:29, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

With respect, I do not see a problem, Davies work was the very basis to ArpaNet, American scientists directly involved confirm that and he should be credited along with Roger Scantlebury and Peter Wilkingson, I have the Guardian and NPL sources that categorically show that their work led to the creation of ARPANET. Also, The origins of the Internet date back to research commissioned by the United States government in the 1960s to build robust, fault-tolerant communication via computer networks, the Internet dates back to the work done by France, the UK and US (listed alphabetically) editors have no right to claim that America invented the net. If you want, I am happy to get an rfc on the issue but the sources "Packets of data were the key...". NPL. Retrieved 1 August 2015. Scantlebury, Roger; Wilkinson, Peter (25 June 2013). "Internet pioneers airbrushed from history". The Guardian. Retrieved 1 August 2015. (two among many) speak for themselves, regards. Twobells^t@lk 11:10, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Early research efforts belong in the body of the article, not in the lede. The body has indeed a section where precursor work is outlined. Like in any large research project ideas get assimilated from many sources, but this does not constitute the claim being made. Researchers have always communicated internationally. Packet switching was not just NPL's achievement, Baran did the identical work earlier actually, before Davies, in the US, and it too was funded by the DoD. Yes, Davies created the name packet switching and was the first to widely recognized for the concepts, and the article does that already, but in the end, it was the DARPA project leadership and funding that is to be credited solely for creation of the Internet through the late 80s. If there were any credible collaboration to incorporate the concept into DARPA code, the networks would have been interconnected at an early state, but they weren't because the DARPA folks created their own implementation and protocols were completely different and non-interoperable. It is easy to claim credit decades later, especially with "marketing" references that you are using, which seem to have a sort of activist flavor, but it just wasn't so. Everyone knows about Davies' work, and he is amply cited for that, but if you really want to be true to sources, then you should also mention that Davies himself credited Baran for the most relevant previous work. Yours are not reliable references for the claim. Kbrose (talk) 13:06, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Davis did co-invent packet switching, but you and your cited article perhaps give a bit too much credit to packet switching as the sole basis of the Internet. It certainly is a fundamental technology, but not anymore so than DNS or the TCP/IP protocol suite which Davies had nothing to do with. Also, the article doesn't even mention the work of Paul Baran, which is ironic given that it is an article about people's contributions allegedly being ignored. Baran actually invented it a few years before Davies. While Davies coined the term 'packet switching' and was an important figure in developing the first packet switched networks, he was not the first person to explore the concept, and the people at ARPANET were already aware of Baran's work. There were certainly other technologies and computer networks that laid the groundwork for ARPANET, but ARPANET was the first network to implement TCP/IP - the fundamental communications technology of the Internet, and marry it with packet switching which is basically what created the Internet. ARPANET was the first node of the Internet and is the network that the global Internet grew out of, so it is a bit right to say that it did originate in the US. We don't say that Douglas Engelbart invented the World Wide Web because he created hypertext. Chrono85 (talk) 19:04, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Editors tend to get hung up on ArpaNet, suggesting that was the origin point of the internet, it wasn't, Arpanet was purely cosmetic, the actual tech behind it, packet switching had been carried out the previous October based on Donald Davies work. Subsequently, the internet was a result of independent, international contributions, the history of the internet articles state so, the various bodies that worked on the technology in the 1960's say so, the research and source material says so, so with the deepest respect please can we get some conformity across the articles rather than what we have which is a frankly jingoistic approach to a serious subject? Regards. Twobells (talk) 10:20, 31 May 2016 (UTC)

The ARPANET is the correct entity to get hung up about when it comes to Internet history. Not NPL or CYCLADES; they only demonstrated small portions of the overall volume of technical innovation, the essence of the Internet was not in these innovations, but in the vision of creating the network, the funding, the people, and the dedication to making it real. The efforts in Britain and France went no where, and Europe was still communicating by 'primitive' networks even when the NSFNET was already established as the backbone in the US. The only network that might be more emphasized is the Merit Network, whose principal actors actually were some of the most influential leaders that brought about the international expansion and commercialization in the late 80 and early 90s. You are fundamentally wrong in your wishful interpretation of biased news sources.Kbrose (talk) 12:17, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 December 2015

Press the unblock network, ASUSX unblock. Not MF. Unblocked network ASUSX. 83.220.239.139 (talk) 08:52, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. /wia🎄/tlk 14:32, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request

please add in the history section:
"ARPANET experienced a complete halt on 27 October 1980 because of an accidentally-propagated status-message virus that can be considered the first internet hack in history."
Sources:

• This Day in History: October 27 | Computer History Museum, http://www.computerhistory.org/tdih/October/27/
• Hobbes' Internet Timeline - the definitive ARPAnet & Internet history, http://www.cs.kent.edu/~javed/internetbook/hobbestimeline/HIT.html
• ARPANET Outage Data Breach, su Person of Interest Wiki, http://personofinterest.wikia.com/wiki/ARPANET_Outage_Data_Breach
• James F. Kurose,Keith W. Ross, Reti di calcolatori e Internet. Un approccio top-down, Pearson, 2008, p. 660, ISBN 9788871924557.
• Happy Anniversary to the Early Internet's First Network-Wide Crash, http://motherboard.vice.com/read/happy-anniversary-to-the-early-internets-first-network-wide-crash — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mvrk80 (talk • contribs) 21:12, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

This should also be added to History of the Internet. --Fixuture (talk) 00:40, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

Not done: ARPANET was a prior network, and this seems too trivial for inclusion on the Internet page. But by all means add or request it on History of the Internet page though.GliderMaven (talk) 00:51, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

New NEWS today, for future editing

Matt Drudge says if carried to the extreme, it is over for his DrudgeReport .!. Then he says, in effect, "Oh well...It's been a hell of a run."

Headline-1: HIGHEST EU COURT CONSIDERS CRIMINALIZING WEBSITE HYPERLINKS

• http://www.infowars.com/highest-eu-court-considers-criminalizing-website-hyperlinks/

QUOTE: "Social media, online journalism, blogs, web searches, comment sections could all be affected..." -- Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 14:34, 6 February 2016 (UTC) -- PS: FYI for future editing.
WARNING TO ALL! “That will end (it) for me – fine – I’ve had a hell of a run,” said Drudge. “To have a Supreme Court Justice say to me it’s over, they’ve got the votes, which means time is limited.”

Copyright aspects of hyperlinking and framing. Ahem. ViperSnake151  Talk  05:30, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

The capitalization thing, revisited

Potentially relevant or interesting, at least to future discussion here, though I'm certainly not proposing or intending to make any changes to the article itself at this time: Slate: The AP Stylebook Will No Longer Capitalize Internet. What a Shame.

There are quite a few good points in the reader comments. I find myself disagreeing with Slate, based partly on the strength (poor) of their case for Internet remaining a capitalized noun. You don't call someone on the Telephone, do you? Arguments for how the worldwide data network is in some way different, more special, or deserving of proper noun status just don't seem very compelling. Perhaps we're approaching the time where society stops pretending there's such a thing as "The Internet", when it's really just the internet. -- FeRD_NYC (talk) 09:16, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

I saw that Slate article, too, and popped in to make peace with this. I'm satisfied with how the news about AP Stylebook was handled at Capitalization of "Internet". I used to argue with people, but after the AP caved I lost heart. Today I am taking their side. I also see that the UK was leading this direction. Language changes. I disagree with the telephone comparison. The internet and the telephone don't compare well in this way. The word "telephone" didn't start its life as a proper noun. (You don't call someone on the internet, either. You can call them via the internet. Or via the Internet. Same meaning.) tbc (talk) 20:16, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Kiva Internal Link Leads To Wrong Article

Under 'accomplishments' the link on Kiva should lead to Kiva_(organization) not Kiva. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BlazePyro (talk • contribs) 21:26, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

That's called a disambig error. I don't see it, though... (?) White Arabian Filly ^Neigh 21:43, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

I did (searching for 'Kiva' on the page). Fixed. Rp (talk) 08:16, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

Request for citations in 7.3 - Social networking and entertainment

"The Internet has been a major outlet for leisure activity since its inception, with entertaining social experiments such as MUDs and MOOs being conducted on university servers, and humor-related Usenet groups receiving much traffic. Today, many Internet forums have sections devoted to games and funny videos. Over 6 million people use blogs or message boards as a means of communication and for the sharing of ideas." I would like to see at least one citation for each of those three sentences. Has the internet truly been a major outlet[...]? Can we see at least one or two examples of the alleged "entertaining social experiments"? How much is "much traffic"? How many is "many Internet forums"? What are "funny videos"? Where does the "over 6 million people" figure come from? 190.230.112.222 (talk) 09:24, 13 November 2016 (UTC)