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Net neutrality banner

Hi all,

Copied from Wikipedia:Help desk:

Hi all,

Could we please put a net neutrality banner for all readers to see, similar to the fundraising banner?

FCC is considering a law to allow US Internet providers to censor bandwidth price and slow down certain websites you visit.
Please stop this by writing a letter to your representative today! (If you're outside of US, share with a friend.)

I am a foreigner; if you're able to word this more concisely, please do.

--Gryllida (talk) 00:15, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

Hello Gryllida, hope you're well. As the Help Desk is for resolving issues related to editing, I should recommend that you may consider the Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous) forum for posting your suggestion. Thanks. Lourdes 03:01, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

--Gryllida (talk) 05:15, 27 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Please read this, which will help explain why it's unlikely we will have a banner as there appears to be no clear consensus of opinion regarding support or opposition.--S Philbrick(Talk) 19:38, 27 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
WMF's Wikipedia Zero initiative is firmly anti-Net Neutrality. — Dispenser 13:41, 28 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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How to article „Former Yugoslavia“ leads on article „Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia“ to the part „12 Legacy“ not „2.8 Legacy“? --SrpskiAnonimac (talk) 14:13, 27 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

You'll need to either rename the sections so that they are unique within the article or use {{anchor}} to create a named anchor to use in the redirect. older ≠ wiser 14:41, 27 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I have removed the first one-sentence section.[1] PrimeHunter (talk) 14:54, 27 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

RFC open concerning use of Cultural warning and advisory templates.

There is currently an RFC open at Template_talk:Recent_death_Aboriginal_Aus concerning the use of templates and notices to comply with cultural sensitivities. Please feel free to drop by if interested. Thanks! Dane|Geld 21:07, 27 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Strategy discussion, cycle 3. Challenge 5

There are only three days left (plus today) to take part in Cycle 3 of the Wikimedia strategy discussion. Insights to the last challenge our movement is facing has just been published. The challenge is: How does Wikimedia meet our current and future readers’ needs as the world undergoes significant population shifts in the next 15 years?

The previous challenges are:

  1. How do our communities and content stay relevant in a changing world?
  2. How could we capture the sum of all knowledge when much of it cannot be verified in traditional ways?
  3. As Wikimedia looks toward 2030, how can we counteract the increasing levels of misinformation?
  4. How does Wikimedia continue to be as useful as possible to the world as the creation, presentation, and distribution of knowledge change?

On this page, you may read more, and suggest solutions to the challenges. Also, if you're interested in related discussions that are taking place on other wikis, please have a look at the weekly summaries: #1 (July 1 to 9), #2 (July 10 to 16), #3 (July 17 to 23).

In August, a broad consultation will take place, but it'll differ from what we've been conducting since March. This is your last chance to take part in such a discussion! SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 13:33, 28 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The first edit?

That edit happened after the transfer to the new wiki software. In fact it is the first edit recorded using the Wikimedia software. But some of us were editing away in 2001 on the original software. Not all of those edits survived the transition but here's the oldest edit of mine that did. The actual oldest edit took place early in 2001. -- Derek Ross | Talk 14:56, 28 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Graham87 is a goldmine of information for this kind of query. Johnuniq (talk) 23:23, 28 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
See Wikipedia:Wikipedia's oldest articles for information about Wikipedia's first edits, and this explanation in my userspace about revision ID numbers and how they work. Graham87 23:37, 28 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

On becoming a reader

A few days ago, I posted a link here referring to an article where someone tried to goad people into posting self-qdvertising articles. I called this "interesting", but thought it an insult to (experienced) colleagues to point out how detrimental such practices are to Wikipedia. Apparently, I was wrong. Ironically, someone has accused me of "blatant advertising", while, as stated, my concern was of course the very opposite.

In my view, reading is not a superficial activity: it is the retrieval of meaning. Bessel Dekker (talk) 11:16, 29 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Never assume that others will understand the motivations behind your comments. The problem was that you did not spell out why you found the link "interesting". Blueboar (talk) 13:31, 29 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion of BLPs whose subject is children

Yuma Soerianto, an article about a currently living child, was deleted ([2]) via PROD because of the concern "I'm never comfortable on having articles on living children and I think this needs to be reviewed closely". Has this issue been discussed before? I know that Wikipedia:Minors and persons judged incompetent applies, but because the page is only an essay, more perspectives should be considered. I also wish to ask that because the topic appears notable and should be restored if there is no significant disagreement over its inclusion. 211.100.57.166 (talk) 10:56, 2 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I'm of the opinion that this person is notable (see the Google); although WP:BLP1E or WP:15MOF may apply, I'm not aware of any policy prescribing deletion only because an article subject is young. Sure, articles on living persons of any age should bear higher standards, that's standard WP:BLP, but I don't think this is a special case. @Ritchie333, KDS4444, and Ks0stm: would you mind if this was restored and taken through AfD? Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 12:41, 2 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Not at all. And I am fully of the opinion that any newborn might be notable simply by virtue of birth (i.e., the royals, Christ, etc.), meaning age should be no barrier in and of itself— only that older people have greater time in which to establish their notability than most kids do, and any youngsters who are going to qualify for a Wikipedia article are going to have their notability claims examined very closely! (also, I have seen too many articles written by parents or by the kids themselves that are immediate cases for CSD). KDS4444 (talk) 23:46, 2 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Notice: DVD release dates as air dates discussion

I have started a discussion about the use of English DVD release dates as a substitute for English air dates at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Anime and manga#Another issue with DVD release dates as air dates do to an issue that has cropped up on the Naruto: Shippuden episode lists. To summaries, an IP is inserting DVD release dates onto the lists as English air dates because the series stop airing on television midway through its original run. The last episode that was broadcast was episode 312, which aired on the linear Internet television service Neon Alley on September 26, 2015 before the service shutdown. All episodes afterward that point are only available in DVD box sets. —Farix (t | c) 12:42, 2 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Free images from the British Library

I'm not sure where to post this so I might as well do it here then others who are more familiar with such matters can take it further. Some might of course already know about this. "The British Library is offering over 1 million free vintage images for download". Digital Arts.. Hope it's useful. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 18:44, 2 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I thank you for the link, Dodger67. However, when I clicked on the link, so many ads or pop-ups show up. I had to close the browser and then click the link. Same results: so many ads or spamming ads. Are you sure that the link is safe to click? --George Ho (talk) 19:24, 2 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
George Ho Its ok on my Samsung Android tablet with Chrome browser, the page does have quite a lot of adverts but no actual popups - maybe there's a popup blocker on my browser... Anyway, I've followed the links in the article and arrived at the British Library's "albums list" on flikr.com - https://www.flickr.com/photos/britishlibrary/albums/with/72157638544764936 It appears that the images were all published more than 100 years ago and their copyright statement "No known copyright restrictions" is a link to https://www.flickr.com/commons/usage/ What I personally find interesting is the more than 12,000 maps! Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 20:17, 2 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oh... I was using a desktop PC with IE11 and popup blocker disabled. Ooh... At least the Flickr link is safer. --George Ho (talk) 20:21, 2 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Cross-wiki transcribing

Hi! I saw some people transcribing pages from other wikis. How is this done, if even possible? Thank you. Cheers, FriyMan Per aspera ad astra 07:18, 3 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Help:Import can be used. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 09:11, 3 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
You may be referring to WP:CXT. --Izno (talk) 13:47, 3 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

"The Game" Entry and associated subject matter.

Hello all, I do not pretend to be an expert on Wikipedia policy or anything of that nature. Indeed this is the first time I have felt compelled to visit the Village Pump page so please forgive me if I have made any faux pas.

I recently chanced upon an article on the old meme "The Game" which is written in a semi-ironic kind of style. By semi-ironic I mean that the article discusses the meme as though it is an actual entity and does not explain in clear terms that "The Game" is a joke made up by someone on the internet. This article has also been peer/community reviewed My concern is simply that Wikipedia continues to be viewed by most academics as an interesting experiment at best, and a hotbed of disinformation and nonsensical opinions at worst. I do not see how the inclusion of articles such as this can help the reputation of the site? There is no tangible information on the page, no credible sources etc etc. I appreciate that there is something called "Fun Police" and that there is always room for some ironic humour. However there are already several LoLPedia/4chanpedia type nonsensical encyclopedias on the internet that include this type of article and I wonder where the line is drawn from the POV of Wikipedia community standards? For example if I were to write an article about LoLCatz and said something like "LoLCatz" iz when ur cat wantz da cheezburgerz" that is clearly not going to fly. There is absolutely zero useful information there and I do not see the difference between this and saying something like "The Game ends when the Prime Minister says the game is up" or "A person cannot choose to not play The Game; it does not require consent to play and one can never stop playing."

Thoughts? z Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:25F1:A900:C478:490E:95BE:A139 (talk) 19:34, 3 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

"the article discusses the meme as though it is an actual entity"
The Game like any other other game. It is an actual entity, in the sense that the rules are known and people play it.
To me, the article isn't written ironically at all. It describes the subject reasonably well.
--167.58.26.73 (talk) 19:51, 3 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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