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Death count

I know the storm haven't dissipated yet, but so far all the deaths seems to be from indirect causes (and while one death is too many the count is still thankfully low). Should we even indicate in either the infobox or the article whether there are direct or indirect deaths from this storm?--Halls4521 (talk) 16:52, 27 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

What is an indirect death though? YE Pacific Hurricane 16:56, 27 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Car accident involving emergency vehicle, or someone has fatal heart attack while evacuated? prokaryotes (talk) 17:32, 27 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I'd argue in some cases where it becomes more subjective. If someone dies in a fall on mud due to the storm is that direct or indirect? That's not really anything different from an automobile accident. YE Pacific Hurricane 18:14, 27 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I think in a Hurricane/Tropical Storm's case some might argue that a direct death would be due to storm surge or wind/debris during the storm.--Halls4521 (talk) 22:21, 27 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, but given how this sort of stuff is hard to verify (ie few disaster listings split up deaths between direct/indirect), we're bordering the WP:OR line here. YE Pacific Hurricane 23:26, 27 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Direct: Person(s) or vehicle swept away, drowning, electrocution when in water, falling debris or falling tree on vehicle or person. Related accidents, and any kind of trauma caused by force of nature. Also heat stroke and/or dehydration due to lack of clean/drinkable water. During one of the past hurricanes, a bus carrying elderly people went on fire, and the poor seniors perished. Also killings by officials with guns. If it's between civilians, then typically over something valuable related to a distaster (food/water), but that's usually harder to evaluate.
  • Indirect: Heart attack or stroke during evacuation.
-Mardus /talk 10:03, 30 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Mardus. So in Harvey's case, would an example of an indirect death be when one person was unfortunately killed, in Rockport, Texas, in a fire that happened during it's first landfall?--Halls4521 (talk) 21:29, 30 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Halls4521 yes, the Rockport fatality is considered indirect. I've been keeping a userspace tally of the deaths in the US and that's the only indirect death I've found thus far. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 21:44, 30 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, Cyclonebiskit.--Halls4521 (talk) 21:55, 30 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Halls4521, that depends. If the fire was caused by the landfall, then it appears direct to me. If the fire had other causes (overuse of electricity, mishandling of hazardous equipment, carpet catching fire from a burning cigarette, or a blocked chimney), then it's indirect. One could ask, if the fire was caused by a short when water entered the building. That should be determined by an investigation, though the fire and rescue people are very much inundated and overworked with search & rescue, and cleanup. -Mardus /talk 00:48, 3 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Houston hurricanes

There's a CATEGORY: Houston hurricanes ; shouldn't this article be a member of that category? -- 70.51.46.15 (talk) 05:49, 1 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

 Added. ~ KN2731 {t ⋅ c} 05:37, 4 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Meteorological history of Hurricane Harvey & Effects of Hurricane Harvey in Texas

Is it time to create these articles? I think there's enough content to warrant an article for each of them. What are you guys' thoughts? Jdcomix (talk) 15:52, 1 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Main article still has ample room for expansion. Prose is only 31 kb so far. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 16:11, 1 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
In the future maybe as CB's words, but I think the latter may be needed sooner due to the sheer destruction it caused in Texas. The MH could be done when the TCR comes out (which won't be until next year). --MarioProtIV (talk/contribs) 16:19, 1 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Whoops, I started on the MH here just hours before this thread was posted. Wouldn't mind waiting for the TCR to continue though. ~ KN2731 {t ⋅ c} 14:25, 2 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Reference #30- I found the article

^ John L. Beven II (August 18, 2017). c_a.005.shtml? Tropical Storm Harvey Intermediate Advisory Number 5A Check |url= value (help) (Report). Miami, Florida: National Hurricane Center. Retrieved August 25, 2017.

Here is the correct link to that article:

http://origin.www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2017/al09/al092017.public_a.005.shtml

Lead sentence is confusing

The lead sentence chooses to describe how this hurricane was verus a previous hurricane. However, this makes it seem like this hurricane landed in 2005 e.g. "Hurricane Harvey was the first major hurricane to make landfall in the United States [since Wilma] in 2005". I propose that the sentence "The eighth named storm, third hurricane, and the first major hurricane of the 2017 Atlantic hurricane season, Harvey developed from a tropical wave to the east of the Lesser Antilles, reaching tropical storm status on August 17." replace the lead sentence with minor modifications. Mount2010 (talk) 05:54, 2 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The lead sentence is both uncited and extremely misleading, it doesn't account for Hurricane Sandy (Category 3), or even Hurricane Matthew (Category 5) last year. 216.84.105.2 (talk) 13:09, 5 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Hurricane Sandy was a Catergory 2 when it made landfall in the U.S., and Hurricane Matthew was a Category 1 when it made landfall in the U.S. Keep looking. You'll not find any Category 3+ to make landfall in the U.S. since Wilma, but you'll certainly learn more about hurricanes in your futile search. --Jayron32 13:19, 5 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-Protected Edit Request

The sentence "Although Operation BBQ relief has been in effect since May 2011 with the 2011 Joplin tornado, they estimate that the Houston 2017 relief project to be their biggest ever." should read "Although Operation BBQ relief has been in effect since May 2011 with the 2011 Joplin tornado, they estimate the Houston 2017 relief project to be their biggest ever." Note removal of the word "that" after "estimate". Fzzr (talk) 08:38, 2 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

 Done ​—DoRD (talk)​ 13:00, 2 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

CNN flood water testing being censored?

Certainly the rationale that the results are " too in-depth and disgusting" is no rationale at all for removal. No wonder we have trouble getting and keeping new editors when such a simple, well sourced and important content gets thrown out for no good reason at all. Nocturnalnow (talk) 14:34, 2 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

MarioProtIV pinging editor involved. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 14:38, 2 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I'd mostly wonder how this is news... I mean this is just what happens when you have floods for longer than just a few hours. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 16:13, 2 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
TheDJ, CNN is a "news" network so if its news to them, maybe it is news even if its happened before; similar to the fact a hurricane is news even though its happened before. Also, if you check the source, you'll see the e-coli levels are higher than the testing service has ever seen before. Otoh, this is an encyclopedia so maybe the content is useful for a general increased awareness of the health risks when wading into flood waters. Just because you had pre-knowledge that all flood waters are loaded with this dangerous bacteria does not mean its common knowledge to the point of not being worthy of mention. I, for example, am quite surprised at how high these fecal content levels are. Nocturnalnow (talk) 19:24, 2 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Request for Edit: Hurricane's Over

Hurricane Harvey is all done. There's no more.

Thank You! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1:91de:faa5:7513:4104:862:fffe (talk)

 Done by User:MarioProtIV with this edit. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 18:14, 2 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Lone highest damage estimate in intro, $160 billion

The lead mentions the USA Today-reported, AccuWeather-based $160 billion damage estimate, but the Aftermath and Damage estimates section is still going by the now old $10 to $50 billion estimates, that were made prematurely but by actual financial entities. At the very least, the eye popping headline making $160 billion estimate should be mentioned and expanded in the article. This is the "Katrina plus Sandy" number that surely has generated more press and opinions that just the original USA Today article. It's literally triple the other estimates, with no explanation. B137 (talk) 19:08, 2 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I added it to the Damage estimates section, with the revised upward $190 billion figure. B137 (talk) 00:08, 3 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 2 September 2017

Remove the sentence fragment that includes the phrase "run to the pump." The sentence fragment occurs after the semi-colon, which is inappropriate as semi-colons are supposed to connect two complete sentences. "a 'run to the pump' ensued" is not a complete sentence; it leaves out the by whom. "Run to the pump" is not a phrase, and removing it does not leave out any important information. SwegWrestlur (talk) 22:07, 2 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Done Thanks for pointing this out. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 01:09, 3 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Conversion from inches to mm needs fixing

"The 39.11 in (790 mm) of rain in August made the month the wettest ever recorded in Houston"

Please change 790mm to 993mm — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.167.76.70 (talk) 00:55, 3 September 2017‎ (UTC)[reply]

 Done ​—DoRD (talk)​ 01:00, 3 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Astros hastag

the home games have the #astrosharvey hashtag for flood relief. Notable to put n the sports reactions.Lihaas (talk) 09:00, 3 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

How about no. It just adds clutter. Heyyouoverthere (talk) 04:21, 4 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Then what d o yu cherry pick to put? There is a relevant section.Lihaas (talk) 12:46, 5 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
How about nothing. Good day sir! Heyyouoverthere (talk) 17:18, 6 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 3 September 2017

So far, 51 deaths have been confirmed, so the estimate of 49 is outdated. 68.84.249.199 (talk) 15:14, 3 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. And please include a reliable source and make your request in the form of "change X to Y". Various reliable sources differ in their estimates, but our wording ("At least") and note that the figure is expected to rise make our coverage factual. Wikipedia is not a news outlet, and we're not going to raise the figure every time a source raises theirs. RivertorchFIREWATER 15:55, 3 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 4 September 2017

According to data from https://onthemap.ces.census.gov/em/, the affected population in Texas and Louisiana combined is 16 million. I think that this fact is important and should be added to the article. 172.101.50.228 (talk) 01:17, 4 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. You may also want to consider whether "affected" is adequately specific or if it needs defining. RivertorchFIREWATER 05:21, 4 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Article says no Hurricanes have hit the US since Wilma

Not sure if it's a typo or something, but we definitely have not gone 12 years without a hurricane hitting the United States, I don't want to make the edit myself as I don't have the time, but maybe someone can look into it! Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by CharlesA 94 (talk • contribs)

  • The article states that Wilma was the last major hurricane (category 3 or higher, as defined by the NHC) to hit the U.S. before Harvey, which appears to be correct. --Kinu t/c 04:11, 4 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-Protected Edit Request on Sept. 4 Beneath Heading: "Effects in the United States: Houston metropolitan area flooding" -- It is imprecise to say "a levee collapsed along Columbia Lakes in Brazoria County." It "breached," but never collapsed.

Request to change "collapsed" to "breached" in the following sentence: "On the morning on August 29, a levee collapsed along Columbia Lakes in Brazoria County, prompting officials to urgently request everyone in the area evacuate.[66]" The given source is sufficient as it indicates that the levee was "breached" and "some water did get through but it wasn't substantial." I have provided an additional source. Can we please make the change? The levee is still functioning as it should. The neighborhood is dry as of Sept. 4th. [1] Thank you. Kmercermclellan (talk) 14:28, 4 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

 Done. ~ KN2731 {t ⋅ c} 03:16, 5 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ http://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Brazoria-team-works-against-the-clock-to-hold-12162780.php?cmpid=fb-premium

Semi-protected edit request on 5 September 2017

the first paragraph is somewhat misleading, because hurricane Gustav ravaged Texas as a Cat 2 hurricane, which yes is not a major hurricane, it must be cat 3 or greater to be known as that, but when it hit Lousiana its wind speeds were off 105mph, instead of a Cat 3 hurricane of 111mph Source http://www.hurricanescience.org/history/storms/2000s/gustav/ Victorkeesee (talk) 00:43, 5 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Also I don't see Hurricane Gustav mentioned anywhere in the article. ~ KN2731 {t ⋅ c} 03:21, 5 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]


Most expensive since Sandy

Should that fact be mentioned in the article or should we wait for an official source before making any changes to the article 216.24.109.110 (talk) 14:44, 5 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It would be best to wait until estimates stabilize. Titoxd(?!?) 19:38, 5 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 6 September 2017

Reqosted (talk) 00:47, 6 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Reqosted: What's the requested edit? —C.Fred (talk) 00:50, 6 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Audio player of Al Sharpton is irrelevant

The audio sound byte of Al Sharpton and the mayor of Houston is not pertinent to Hurricane Harvey; I believe that it is on here just to bring politics into this article and it's a way for more anti-Trump rhetoric to be displayed on Wikipedia. We all know that it is on here spread false negativity about Trump. I also noticed that when listing the names of celebrities who donated $1 million, that conveniently Trump was left off of the list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thndwolf86 (talk • contribs) 02:03, 6 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sidebar

Info Box on right says tropical cyclone and not hurricane. Its called Hurricane Harvey. Should be changed to hurricane. Right now its factually wrong.24.44.69.210 (talk) 02:50, 6 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 6 September 2017

It says that it was the first major hurricane since 2005, however hurricane Sandy was in 2012 and cost $75 billion in damages. Thereby making the 05 comment in correct and neglecting the destruction of hurricane Sandy. 47.206.99.73 (talk) 11:44, 6 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format.
Such queries are likely to continue to appear as long as the phrase "major hurricane" is used in the lead sentence without being defined. (The wikilink is apparently not enough.) RivertorchFIREWATER 12:25, 6 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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