User talk:Newimpartial

Welcome!

Thank you for putting some work into RPG articles, as this is an area that doesn't seem to get enough attention anymore. BOZ (talk) 18:22, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

If you can add anything to any of the pages at User:BOZ/Draft pages, it would be much appreciated. :) BOZ (talk) 05:06, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

I don't know whether I'm supposed to put this here, but thanks, and I'll take a look at the Grabowski and Marsh pages soon. Some of the others already show much more knowledge than I have about those authors, so I can't really help -- indeed some look ready to publish!

Anything at all you can do to help would be great. :) BOZ (talk) 19:21, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

It took me longer than projected, but I have edited the Grabowski and Marsh pages. I feel that the Grabowski page is pretty much ready for submission, and if you were content for the Marsh page to be more of a stub, it could be launched soon too by trimming some of the unruly content you included. :). I bow to your superior wiki-fu, but as far as content goes I am comfortable now with both articles.

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Ethan Skemp

Hi there! I see that you created User:Newimpartial/Ethan Skemp as a sort of placeholder. I restored Draft:Ethan Skemp, which had been deleted, so you can work on it if you want to. :) BOZ (talk) 03:46, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, that was a placeholder exactly. I didn't see the old draft. I have been going through the White Wolf authors tonight, and Ethan is an obviously notable one who was deleted in one of the purges you will remember. :) If there are any red links to him, or to Geoff Grabowski, Bruce Baugh, or Robert Hatch, those are the designers I am likely to put into article space soonest, at least in stub form.Newimpartial (talk) 03:56, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

Sounds like a plan, I will see tomorrow if there is anything I can do for those others.  :) BOZ (talk) 04:03, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

I gave a start to most of the placeholder drafts that you created, using Designers & Dragons as a source. I left Luke Crane for you, as the Evil Hat edition of the book gives quite a bit of info about him, and I just don't have the free time to go through that much at the moment.  :) BOZ (talk) 20:38, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. I will go over some of them this week and see how many I can release from my userspace by the weekend. I'll take a look at my Evil Hat Designers & Dragons Vol. 4 and write something up for Crane - no worries.

By the way, I wanted to let you in on my thinking about something. As far as I can tell, by WP:CREATIVE criterion 3, any game designer who has created a "well-known" work with at least two WP:INDEPENDENT reviews automatically meets WP:NBIO. Which means in practice that no article on a game designer that has a link to Designers & Dragons (a RS that they existed) and a link to a Wikipedia article on a game that they created, which in turn has at least two reviews, should ever be subject to deletion, at least not for WP:N. My upcoming editing of these designer drafts and userspace placeholders will be based on this perspective, which dawned on me over the weekend. Newimpartial (talk) 21:02, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Sounds good. You can use the same philosophy on anything I put in Draftspace, if you want to move those to article space. As for Robert Hatch, you had a draft under Rob Hatch so that is what I edited. BOZ (talk) 01:12, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

OK; maybe I created two drafts. Anyway, I'll figure it out. Thanks.

Paul Drye

Do you have anything you could use to improve Draft:Paul Drye? BOZ (talk) 11:37, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Not offhand, and I am persona non grata at MfD at the moment (my own fault). But if you could find an independent source for his date of birth and place of residence, I could strengthen his notability language as an author. IDK why they go through non-stale drafts like that. :( Newimpartial (talk) 11:44, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Hey, BOZ. You can get this one back if it's MfDed, can't you? I think the draftspace delete is completely out of line, but I also think this isn't a case worth fighting right now. The argument for potential notability would be based on GT:IW, which is a notable work, but the rest of his bibliography is so thin that I wouldn't want to be fighting that battle right now, in the absence of a personal mention in a RS. Does that make sense? Newimpartial (talk) 13:10, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Some people just like to clear out what they think is junk. One man's trash, you know. If you have any sources that address Interstellar Wars and mention his name, please feel free to add them directly to the draft. :) You don't have to edit the MfD page, just edit the draft. BOZ (talk) 18:44, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Hey, BOZ Please take a look at the bottom of my talk page and at the top of ANI: I think even my editing the page would be toxic, and in any case doesn't suggest any net gain. If you do want to drag this one out of MfD, my advice is to make the article more like a well-referenced stub: get rid of the link to the subject's personal page, edit out biographical detail, and change the lede to something like "Paul Drye is a role-playing game writer and developer known primarily for his work on GURPS:TRAVELLER, particularly as author of GURPS TRAVELLER:INTERSTELLAR WARS and Sword Worlds." Thrown in a link to Appelcline on GTIW and a link to the actual GTIW for the author credit - I could find his author blurb for that if truly necessary. But the real argument at XfD, IMO, is that you are working on the draft so it is premature to delete it, which would be in line with last year's RFCs about draft space (which the MfD nominator studiously ignores). Newimpartial (talk) 17:59, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

ArbCom thing

You and I haven't always seen eye to eye about things, but I wanted to tell you that I was impressed by your post on the ArbCom case. It was measured, well-worded, and respectful of both parties, even when you disagreed with their actions. I really respect that. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 22:56, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

Out of curiosity

Were you under a voluntary self-TBAN or something? I was monitoring ANI on-and-off during my own voluntary self-PBAN, and I recall you saying something to the effect As this ANI has proceeded, I have continued to stay away from XfD, as I offered to do, and have also left Legacypac completely alone on all pages except ANI. Your recent comments on the Chang AFD (not just your responses to me; your first comment as well) suggest that maybe your self-imposed exile ended slightly before you "had a clue" regarding our deletion policy: have you considered maybe reinstating it? Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 07:35, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

Yes, it was voluntary, and I have returned to AfD (but generally not MfD) discussions since. Newimpartial (talk) 12:44, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for working on Omar Khadr

Things make a bit more sense now after the CU blocks. I have to admit that even though I have experience with the master I didn't see that one coming. Meters (talk) 05:41, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

I see what you mean. I have made a couple of edits to the lede, taking on the two rational points in the sock's ranting, and also reorged the last section of the article so that it reads chronologically, which makes sense to me in that location. The article as a whole is still a many-headed mess, but I'd say the lede now tells the story fairly accurately and succintly. Any pruning you wanted to do, though, would probably help, especially in the messy parts of the article below the lede. Newimpartial (talk) 05:46, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

BLP warning -- Faith Goldy

It is completely unacceptable to go to the page of someone you despise and add 'notability' in the lead for something that you don't like them doing.

Read WP:BLP.

--Nanite (talk) 02:46, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

Nanite, I have, in fact, read BLP. The BLP in question mostly read as a non-notable resume, with the subject's notable acts - the ones that actually might merit a WP page - left out or buried at the end. I was adding appropriate material to the lead, as already called for in templates placed by others on the article. This has nothing to do with what I "like". Newimpartial (talk) 11:59, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

Hey, I just want to apologise for the tone above -- I saw the inserted self-published youtube citation in the lead and figured it was just a drive-by WP:UNDUE attack. However as you say it is also mentioned in the body, so it's arguably notable. Sorry for assuming bad faith! --Nanite (talk) 23:34, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

No worries; your tone above was a bit off, but I did understand that your heart was in the right place, as your subsequent edits to the page showed. It is just funny to me to look back on my edit you quasi-reverted, which I made before the subject was fired from The Rebel. At the time the "White Genocide" video was arguably the most notable thing she had done, but she is now clearly more famous for being fired after Charlotteville (and arguably for live-streaming the alleged vehicular homicide that took place). There was quite the edit war over my use of the (sourced) term "sympathetic", although the recent semi-protection should inhibit any more of that.

Anyway, I did get around from removing her rowing captaincy and undergraduate scholarship from the article, at least. Perhaps ironically, it read more like a CV before she was fired ....

As I say, no worries. Newimpartial (talk) 03:37, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

Global news

Sorry, got that confused with a fringe site. Doug Weller talk 19:46, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

American Jews

Please feel free to join the discussion on the article's talk page to explain why you think this fringe viewpoint needs to be featured so prominently. — MShabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 21:23, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

The answer is, because it isn't fringe. A very casual search on my part turns up at least half a dozen recent, scholarly sources making this point. Newimpartial (talk) 21:39, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Would like to know your thoughts

Dear User:Newimpartial,

I would like to discuss with you further about the discussion you joined regarding American Jews, but perhaps, if possible, in a more private vein. Please let me know if this may be possible and I hope you are well.

Sincerely,

jeffgr9

Hi, Jeff. I don't know that I have anything to say privately, but what I have to say in front of my handful of talk page stalkers ;) is that the part of your position I find absurd is your inclination to try to determine how other Jews should define their identities vis-a-vis racial categories. As far as I am concerned, you can define your own identity as you choose, and you have made some observations that bring out definite and real historical resonances. But from a WP standpoint, at least, a lot of that is in effect POV-pushing, and even from a more general perspective it seems to me that trying to convince some American Jews for example that they should change the way they identify in terms of racial categories is not really an approach that is likely to go very well. Arguing that a group of Jews "are not really" white strikes me as pretty much as pointless as arguing that they "are". Newimpartial (talk) 04:30, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply User:Newimpartial,

As far as POV, I do not make unsourced/uncited edits to articles, and when I do make a statement in an article, I make sure I present it within the context of a source. In terms of my own personal views, I will share some of those views (and will distinguish them from facts) on Talk-pages, but also present sources and contexts that back my statements. If you look at other debates in which I have participated on similar Talk pages, such as Category:American people of Jewish descent, Category:People of Jewish descent, Category:Middle-Eastern Americans, Category:Ethnic groups in Europe, you will see I have shown continuity with my editing in addition to my thought process/personal feelings on this issue.

As to your concern as to whether Jews would not want to "identify in terms of racial categories," my personal view is that our historical oppressors—from European empires to Arab/Muslim empires—have enslaved, exiled, dispersed, ghettoized, and genocided our People regardless of how we personally feel about our identity. Only some of us escape and/or "pass" for dominant hostland populations, but for the most part, most Jews have "Semitic" physical features—from facial structure, to hair tone/type, to skin tone/type, to body type, to psychological traits, to vocal tones, etc. and to deny that fact (even among Jews who have light skin, light/straight hair, etc.) is literally Anti-Semitic, as doing so denies our Ethnocultural origins. It will indeed be a hard truth for many Jews to accept, especially those still suffering trauma from the Holocaust, as well as other racist Anti-Jewish pogroms in Europe and the Levant, but denying the truth only furthers the trauma (being made to feel guilty/shameful for being "non-white").

In my view, Jews are a People of Color, have fought for the rights of other/intersecting Peoples of Color, and have been often treated as People of Color, so labeling Jews as "white" just seems like a modern form of Ethnocultural erasure of Jews, both within and outside the Jewish community, as well as for a variety of intentions, both malicious and unaware.

I would love to hear your thoughts.

Thank you again and I hope you are well,

Jeffgr9 (talk) 19:39, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

P.S.: Congratulations on your quotes getting into Ha'Aretz! :D (Although unfortunately, it seems the author made some misquotes/incomplete quotes that changes some of the context and may make the conversation look more confusing than it was.)

P.P.S.: I have debated on Wikipedia with Bus stop before, and, as I noted in this debate, Bus stop often derails the conversation or tries to claim that others are going "off-topic," when really Bus stop just does not want to get pinned down into discussing anything with which Bus stop disagrees. Also, I just realized that Bus stop made an argument earlier in the conversation that tries to suppose that a "person from Mars" would consider Jews "white," which is ridiculous because—if there were a "person from Mars:" What language would they speak? What frame of reference would they have to "race?" Not even all humans agree on "race." Jeffgr9 (talk) 19:41, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

Comments

I have no issues with people disagreeing with me I just have to wonder what on earth individuals are doing clogging up AfD's when comments should be made on personal user talk pages. I also have to question motivations behind people measuring seconds between when a save page button was pressed, and not realising that show preview has been used. I have to wonder if there is any real way of questioning disruptive users, all the while being told to basically fuck off, by people not reading things, and then creating non-issues, to avoid discussing legitimate concerns.

There is a level of exasperation of the E.M. Gregory gets to shit all over the AfD process and refuse to engage on talk pages, and do so with impunity. Apologies for my colourful language but if I had my way E.M. Gregory would have been thrown off terrorism articles an awfully long time ago, they are nothing but a blanket hysteria-monger of everything from chip pan fires, to fender benders. They are a menace and as such should be shown up for being such.

I will though walk away from this kind of puerile minutiae rubbish relating to the pressing of a save changes button and the defending a hysteria-monger and bludgeoner.

I take you comments on board but please double standards stink and E.M. Gregory is playing the system and should be had up for it. Sport and politics (talk) 13:26, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

Look, I have no sympathy for scare-mongering on terrorist topics, but I also have no sympathy for pre-emptive template spam, which is what the diffs in question are largely in reaction to. If you create numerous AfDs through multiple tabs, include the same template in several of them (erroneously), and save them in rapid succession, you are going to get push-back on the template spam, and I see no reason why that feedback should not be left in every case to which it applies. If I see an editor doing something contra policy, like AfD noms that inappropriately cite GARAGEBAND, for example, I am going to comment on it every time it applies, just because. And I understand getting fed up with people, but that's the time to walk away, not to run back into ANI ...

Once again, people reporting incidents don't get to decide what the "legitimate concern" really is. That's the beauty of ANI, IMO. Newimpartial (talk) 13:35, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

Anne Stokes

Hi there, would you be able to check to see if you have any sources to add to Anne Stokes? Thanks! BOZ (talk) 03:01, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

Suite Antique

Hi, I see you were working on a draft for Suite Antique. As I've always liked this work, I've decided to write a quick article on it and it's live now. Just thought I'd let you know in case you wanted to look at it or had any things you wanted to add. I'm planning to add a bit more description when I next get time though. Blythwood (talk) 04:17, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

Statesmen

Your reverts were entirely unnecessary and imprudent. The term "politician" is an inarguably WP:POV term to describe someone involved with politics, which is exactly why respected politicians that are still alive such as Angela Merkel and Barack Obama are described as such instead of "stateswoman" and "statesman" respectively. However, as WP:BLPSTYLE does not apply to politicians who are long gone, the term is fine insofar as the term has been used by historians to describe said politician. Basically, the term "statesman" is something that is only used to refer to deceased politicians of significant importance, not for contemporary politicians still living. I hope you will understand this and reconsider your edits.--Nevé–selbert 20:38, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

I have replied on the Colin Powell talk page; I would also question whether you understand the policies you are citing, since there is nothing in BLPSTYLE counterindicating the use of the term "statesman" or "stateswoman" when reliable sources describe a person's role as such, and there is very good indication NOT to make up a description for a person based on an ideosyncratic point of view, such as referring to people who, in electoral democracies, have never sought electoral office as "politicians" because you read in Harry Truman that statesmen are dead people. I suggest you not magnify your mistakes using automated tools, in future...Newimpartial (talk) 22:29, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

Proposed addition to WP:BLP

Hi. I'd like to add a subsection to the WP:BLP page, and would like to solicit the opinions of editors who have been involved with it. Can you offer your thoughts here? Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 15:43, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

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Redirects by Onel5969

You are now in violation of WP:3RR, might I suggest you self-revert before this is reported? Please engage on talk pages and stop edit-warring. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 21:55, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing this matter to my attention. Self-reverted, and talk page comment added. Newimpartial (talk) 22:12, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

Also, User:onel5969, re: Raiden V, please note that your redirect had been in place for a day at most: it was by no means a stable version. Please abide by policy and stop edit warring. I don't know why you feel that your redirects of articles that meet WP:N are okay, because IDONTLIKEIT or because of poor English or whatever, but the appropriate doctrine is FIXIT, not imposing vandal redirects. Newimpartial (talk) 17:55, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

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Talk:American Jews

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Oh, I have, and I did again before reverting your revert. We are having a disagreement about the application of that policy, you and I: I am not acting in ignorance of it.Newimpartial (talk) 07:00, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Monica Valentinelli BLPPROD

Let's help you with your reading comprehension:

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This is not even slightly difficult. So don't edit war over things you're wrong about. --Calton | Talk 00:38, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

Calton You might wanna back off the hounding with this. BLPPROD specifically states To place a BLPPROD tag, the process requires that the article contain no sources in any form (as references, external links, etc.) which support any statements made about the person in the biography. Please note that this is a different criterion than is used for sources added after the placement of the tag. There were sources originally (reliability is definitely debatable) and have been throughout every revision, therefor BLPPROD doesn't apply in this case. CHRISSYMAD ❯❯❯¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 00:47, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

I apologize

I apologize, as it was my fault, as the script penetrated my Wikipedia editing. I've reverted myself and have fixed the problem. I am notifying The Gnome of this as well. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 14:38, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

Possible uncivil behavior at Talk:Trans man

Do you think you could tone down the language you're using at the RfC currently in progress? I know it's a very heated discussion, but repeatedly implying that other users are "sealions" and referring to them as "chromosome-supremacist POV-push[ers]" isn't very helpful or conducive to the discussion. Grognard Extraordinaire Chess (talk) Ping when replying 11:21, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Have you in fact read the Sealioning essay? It quite accurately describes Userwoman's approach to this topic - "civil POV pushing". Surely I am allowed to be offended when someone repeatedly pushes an offensive POV into an article after being politely told better. Newimpartial (talk) 11:28, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

There are better venues to address issues with other editors. If you have an issue with User:Userwoman's editing and wish to discuss it further, I suggest to take it up at their talk page or at certain noticeboards established for these types of issues. Grognard Extraordinaire Chess (talk) Ping when replying 11:34, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

There is no WP social norm against pointing out Sea lioning/civil POV pushing on talk pages when it occurs, nor is there a norm against expressing offense to remarks made at an article talk page on that article talk page. My concern is not about this editor's behaviour in itself, but in the disruptive effect of this behaviour on that article and for its talk page.

By the way, upon review, the account in question was created to make this edit <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Trans_man&diff=prev&oldid=832030866> and has never edited on any other topic, so I'd say my SPA suspicion is confirmed. That suggests that moving the discussion elsewhere on WP is unlikely to be productive. But I am curious why you choose to defend this account? Is it because you partly share the POV they are pushing? Newimpartial (talk) 11:43, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

You can make your point in more civil ways and in better places. If you believe this editor is being disruptive to the point of requiring a block/ban, take it to WP:AE. If you want to alert them that you perceive their behavior to be unacceptable, you can take it up on the editor's talk page. If you don't want to do either, bringing it up in a discussion about content is extremely unhelpful. The RfC is about content, and attacking the user making the RfC, no matter how justified your accusations may be, does not contribute to a discussion of the quality of the content or refute any of the other editor's points. Grognard Extraordinaire Chess (talk) Ping when replying 14:25, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

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I'm just giving you this notice as I've seen that, while the editor you're in a dispute in has received this notice, you yourself have not. Grognard Extraordinaire Chess (talk) Ping when replying 11:38, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

The other editor is clearly afoul of 4.1.7 of the final decision. Do you really think that "chromosome supremacist" puts me afoul of 4.1.8? I have since explain that what I literally meant was more "chromosome reductionist" but I was trying to be clever. I can absolutely strikethrough if you are offended. Newimpartial (talk) 11:47, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

RE: American Renaissance and the term "White Nationalist" vs "White Supremacist"

Greetings, I figured I'd talk to you first before risking creating a new trash fire on the American Renaissance Talk Page. Thus, I'm here to ask you, what makes you think that Am Ren should be labeled "White Supremacist" instead of "White Nationalist"?

Personally, my reasoning for having it labeled as "White Nationalist" instead of "White Supremacist" is as follows (I admit, copied right from my own user page): When writing or editing articles on political figures, I am very picky (and somewhat strange, I admit) in what sources I'll cite. This is because the vast majority of reputable sources, whether they be big mainstream publications, or smaller publications, are still over saturated by their bias. Thus, I've found it best to cite directly from the political figures themselves when defining their political views. After all, who can better assess what a person's views and beliefs are than the person themselves? Outside forces can interpret and judge something all they want. But none can ever really know if their assessments are true unless directly confirmed or rejected by the thing being judged.

I don't know what your political views are. Nor do I know if they influence you when labeling it as "white supremacist". But hopefully we can be civil and come to a mutual agreement here. And not have to create more drama on the talk page if necessary.

Cheers, Da secret agent (talk) 01:47, 21 June 2018 (UTC)da_secret_agentDa secret agent (talk) 01:47, 21 June 2018 (UTC)