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Acclaim Entertainment games list is incomplete

Hi, can you add more games to the "List of Acclaim Entertainment games" list, please? Games from 1991 to 1996 such as various Simpsons games and the first two Mortal Kombat games are missing on the list. 2600:6C51:7001:700:ECE5:21E7:918B:9737 (talk) 20:12, 3 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Four-colour decks

Hi Narky, you can even buy four-colour decks on amazon with blue diamonds - Copag sell them. Bermicourt (talk) 10:25, 11 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Bermicourt: I don't doubt it - but it's the connection of blue Diamonds with bridge which is missing. For orange, see e.g. bidding box. Note also that there Clubs are grey rather than black. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 10:33, 11 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You can even buy them with four-colour backs, so the other players can see your cards' suits but not their ranks.[1] Useless for bridge though. Certes (talk) 11:04, 11 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I have been accused of being unable to tell the fronts from the backs. Narky Blert (talk) 11:13, 11 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hahaha! I know what you mean! From a quick look online, it seems that four-colour decks are being used in poker (with the blue diamonds) and as a compromise in German tournaments (with the yellow diamonds) where there are players from regions that use French decks and regions that use German decks. It may be that they aren't used much in bridge because it's more of a non-commercial game played in clubs and homes. BTW my source for the link with bridge was French wiki (fr:Carreau (carte à jouer), which unfortunately doesn't have a reference. Maybe it's a French thing? Bermicourt (talk) 12:09, 11 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Bermicourt: poker looks very believable, especially for televised or webcast competitions. The Laws of Bridge specify the suit symbols but not their colours. Nevertheless, major change in bridge is unlikely; not just from inertia, but because almost all serious bridge - and all bridge at tournament and international level - is played with pre-dealt boards. You can't see it in the video, but the faces of the cards are bar-coded for machine recognition. If you want a set of boards with suits in customised colours, you're going to have to persuade suppliers like Duplimate to print the cards for you; which wouldn't be cheap and would require a guaranteed order. (In contrast, they'd be crazy not to have French ARDV, Dutch/German AKDB, and so on, packs as stock items for those markets.)

There is professionalism in bridge, particularly in USA and with countries such as Monaco. Prize money ranges between pitiful and non-existent, and betting on results is banned by every national and international association I know of. The scheme is that a rich sponsor pays five top players to make up a team of six. This is not always a good idea, as this video shows.

I think you've opened an interesting topic here. Four-colour decks are indeed commonly used nowadays in bridge, just not with extreme differences: Diamonds orange, and Clubs either grey or (from memory) dark blue. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 13:17, 11 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'm no more than a casual/occasional card player, but my interest has been sparked by discovering German decks and card games in all their glorious variety; hence why I've been translating articles on (mainly) German/Austrian card games. I just received a Zwicker deck today and am looking forward to my forthcoming holiday to Austria to pick up some of their weird and wonderful cards. Bermicourt (talk) 16:59, 11 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Bermicourt: Look out for skat cards - there are all sorts of regional variations. Several use the ancient suit symbols, see Skat (card game)#Deck. (The pic in that article shows a four-coloured deck with modern symbols). Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 17:16, 11 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Another type of deck to look for in Austria - de:Tarock. Narky Blert (talk) 17:26, 11 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I have the French and German pattern Skat decks (but not the 4-colour variant), a Bavarian Schafkopf deck, the Württemberg Cego cards and a couple of others. I defo want the Austrian Industrie und Glück Tarock cards which I think are the ones you're referring to and I think they sell Schnapsen packs by the cartload too. Anyway it should be fun. And, as a hobby, not too expensive. :) Bermicourt (talk) 18:15, 11 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Review Draft

Dear Narky Blert, please review Draft:Richard Jabo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MonkeyKingdom (talk • contribs) 19:56, 14 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

MOS:OVERLINK

Just a heads up, I undid your edits removing links to the articles on sand, pebbles, and clay on Beaverdam Formation (Delmarva). I understand why they wouldn't ordinarily be linked due to their common usage, but within the context of a geology-related article, these links are helpful. These terms are used to classify grain size in sedimentary rocks. Avg W (talk) 12:29, 19 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Avg W: Fair enough. I've repaired the link to the DAB page pebbles. Narky Blert (talk) 12:34, 19 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Your thread has been archived

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Swin

Hi Narky,

I'm a little confused by your tagging of the Swin in Thames sailing barge. The sentence ends: "... long run along the Swin (in the Thames Estuary)." which I would have thought located the Swin pretty clearly. Furthermore if you follow the link from Swin it leads to a disambiguation page for Swin. There are four entries: "Swin Cash" and "Swin Hadley", both sportsmen, the "Swin River" - possible, but on the wrong side of the globe and "Two channels in the Thames estuary" which looks like a good fit to me. What further disambiguation do you need? Martin of Sheffield (talk) 15:20, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Martin of Sheffield: From WP:INTDABLINK - "Links to disambiguation pages from mainspace are typically errors. In order to find and fix those errors, disambiguators generate a wide array of reports of links needing to be checked and fixed." (etc.). User:DPL bot finds links to DAB pages, and reports them as errors (which they are; current count, 6035). Linking to Swin sets readers a puzzle, and leaves them guessing whether East or West Swin (neither of which has an article) is meant. It'd be better to have no link at all than a confusing one.

HMS Hindustan (1903) has the same problem. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 15:36, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I didn't realise that it was just a bot doing this, I assumed that you had the problem. There's not really enough to justify a stub on the Swin, one of the deletionist brigade will doubtless get rid of it if it is only a couple of names and and a position. So if there is not a stub and the links to the DAB are removed (BTW, I give the readers more credit than you; I think they could work out the the channels are adjacent) how long do you think it will be before a drive-by tagger puts a {{Clarify}} on the name? I've modified the DAB page, see it it suites you. Any suggestions gratefully received. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 16:48, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Martin of Sheffield: Well, actually it is my problem, because I'm one of those who fix links to DAB pages for a living. I don't keep count, but I'm well past 50,000 fixes for certain.

There's a further problem: DAB pages are designed to be navigational aids, and should never contain references.

My suggestion: I think there is enough meat to sustain a stub article Swin (Thames). (There doesn't seem much point in having separate articles about the various channels, and I wouldn't be surprised if their courses had shifted over the years - see 1.) A swift Google for 'Swin Thames' turned up this (rocksolid source, Swin in the title). There's also 2 (which mentions a presumably long-gone light-vessel), 3, and 4. Throw in 5 as Further reading, and include that pic in Thames sailing barge, and I think notability would be nailed on.

Articles which mention the Swin but do not link it: Maplin Sands, Leeboard, Dutch ship Beschermer and HMS Albion (1763). A suggestion for the etymology: Swine, East Riding of Yorkshire. I think even the most determined deletionist would have trouble attacking Swin (Thames). Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 17:34, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Martin of Sheffield: Good work! I've linked your new article to my finds. Narky Blert (talk) 23:09, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

RTX (real time ray tracing)

Hi Narky - can you please review my draft for Draft:RTX (Ray Tracing Technology) - much thanks. You had left a note on my talkpage. Hope I did a better job this time around.

Popoki 🐱🐱 chat 15:56, 11 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Popoki: I do not review drafts, so cannot help you with that issue. Nevertheless, I did read your draft. These points struck me.

As a purely technical issue, the qualifier (ray tracing technology) should be in lowercase. Only proper nouns and proper adjectives should be capitalised in qualifiers.
Try to find another independent source or two to demonstrate notability. Two sources are good. Three would be better.
Add categories to your draft. That may need some thought, and some lateral thinking. Categories are there to help readers find what they might be looking for. Imagine that you were a reader: how would you find this article? (Do NOT put your draft into [[Category:Thingummy]]. If that category existed, that action would annoy other editors. Instead, add [[:Category:Thingummy]] to your draft. The leading colon makes all the difference.)
Similarly, before or at the same time as slotting in a new article, make sure that anyone who might like to read it can find it by adding bluelinks from other articles. (Tip: paste 'RTX .' (without those quote marks) into the Wiki search box. That should reveal all possible links in, including all the false positives.) Narky Blert (talk) 21:40, 13 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Narky!!

I will change the case on "ray tracing technology".
Yes, I've asked for more sources. I have 2 more and will edit accordingly.
I have to go and learn how to create categories, but I have a few ready to go and will search the Wikipedia directions for doing this.
I did not realize that I could link to it already - I thought that I had to wait until it was reviewed and approved. Am I also able to add it to other lists just yet? Like the RTX Disambiguation page?

I so appreciate the feedback. Thank you, again!

Popoki 🐱🐱 chat 21:47, 13 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Popoki: Don't even bother thinking about creating new categories! That can be a fiddly job. Look for relevant categories which already exist (but only add your article to such categories once your article is in mainspace).

DAB pages are, in effect, index pages. A link in a DAB page should point you to where you can learn more about the topic. So, orphan redlinks in DAB pages are useless. A "what links here" inside the redlink might however point a reader somewhere vaguely useful.

Redlinks in articles are another matter altogether. They say: an editor thinks (rightly or wrongly) that this topic may deserve its own article. For understandable reasons, there are no articles on the imaginary Fubar (video game) developed by Fubar (video game designer) to run on the Fubar (computer) platform. Redlinks like those in mainspace are thoroughly good (apart from the fact that I just made that lot up) and are encouraged. I have written several articles in English Wiki (mostly translations) where a redlink caught my attention. Narky Blert (talk) 22:33, 13 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I had meant to only add a few existing categories. I already added them; shall I remove them then? I'm not sure how I can make the URL lower case (example: Real Time Ray Tracing should be real time ray tracing). I'll scout around for the fix. References are done.

Popoki 🐱🐱 chat 23:03, 13 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Popoki: For categories in draft or sandbox articles: use [[:Category rather than [[Category. When going from draft or sandbox to main space, take the colon out.

For modifications to title qualifiers or the like (such as your own typos which are staring you in the face): either (1) create a new page with the correct title, copy/paste into it, and add {{db-author}} to the old one; or (2) use the "Move" function (it should be under "More" at the top of your Wiki page, between the star (bookmark) icon and the search bar). Redirects are cheap. #2 is often the better option. Narky Blert (talk) 00:54, 14 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Famousbirthdays.com as a source

Hi Narky Blert. I noticed that you recently used famousbirthdays.com as a source for information in a biography article, Shirin Oskooi. Please note that there is general consensus that famousbirthdays.com does not meet the reliable sourcing criteria for the inclusion of personal information in such articles. (See Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_153#Is_famousbirthdays.com_a_reliable_source_for_personal_information). If you disagree, let's discuss it. Thanks. --Ronz (talk) 17:10, 12 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Ronz: I see you've deleted the citation - fine by me. A non-WP:RS source of intimate info in a WP:BLP is not fit even to be a WP:EL. Narky Blert (talk) 17:22, 12 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

delete

Please delete the Shirin oskooi article. She is not notable and we can't have articles on every reality contestant. Wikipedia isn't a fandom wikia. I am asking you nicely, there is no reason for her to have her own article here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.233.143.77 (talk) 04:04, 13 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for watching my back

@72, Favonian, and Entranced98: What those IP editors who you reverted didn't appreciate was that I was performing WP:FIXDABLINKS in preparation for retargetting Chandra Mohan (actor). Sure enough, several of the incoming links related to the wrong actor. Narky Blert (talk) 12:02, 20 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

این نشان برای شما!

	نشان ویراستار
	To improve the article by Ilia Hashemi استاد پاییز (talk) 00:28, 25 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Mass disambiguation

Hi, I have a query. Because of this move, articles linked to T-Series now redirects to the disambiguation page T series. So, instead of fixing the links one at a time, is there any way to fix them at one go, or at least semi-automatically? Thanks Vivek Ray (talk) 07:41, 25 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Vivek Ray: That sort of move almost always reveals some (or many) links which were bad, and it's very advisable to check them all by eye. I recently retargetted Chandra Mohan (actor) from Chandra Mohan (Telugu actor) to the DAB page. There were more than 300 incoming links, and 3 of them related to Chandra Mohan (Hindi actor). I also remember when vinyl was turned from a redirect to vinyl group into a DAB page: there were well over a thousand incoming links, only about one in ten of which related to chemistry (the rest were mostly divided between gramophone records, floor coverings, and other miscellaneous uses of PVC).

Several tools are described at Wikipedia:Disambiguation pages with links#Tools and reports. I've used none of them: I spend most of my time fixing singleton links, where they wouldn't help. (I chose that as my speciality because there's very little duplication of effort.)

User:BD2412 and User:R'n'B could be good people to ask for advice. They're both very experienced disambiguators, and firefight the new horrors which appear every day. Or, perhaps even better, ask at Wikipedia talk:Disambiguation pages with links - that page is actively watched. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 08:51, 25 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, thank you for your advice. I have started repairing the links using DisamAssist as it allows me to check each link (like you said). Vivek Ray (talk) 09:14, 25 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Vivek Ray: "361 disambig pages left the list today, including: T series: had 729 links." Narky Blert (talk) 11:55, 26 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Matthiaspaul and R'n'B also fixed many links. Matthiaspaul said there is one remaining transclusion into T-Series. I am unable to find it. If you are free can you look into it? Thanks! Vivek Ray (talk) 12:28, 26 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Vivek Ray: Fixing dablinks is a team effort. Every little helps.

User:DPL bot reports no bad links into T series, and that's good enough for me. Transclusions can take some time to work their way out of the system. You can often hurry them along by making a WP:NULLEDIT on the article. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 12:37, 26 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, this isn't some kind of temporary synchronization problem, but is apparently caused by a bug in a Lua module or even the mediawiki software. We are still trying to narrow it down better. Just in case you run into something similar, here's our current discussion regarding this FYI: User talk:Paine Ellsworth#Interesting transclusion effect - any idea?

--Matthiaspaul (talk) 08:43, 30 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Matthiaspaul: That doesn't surprise me at all. #ifexist jumped off the page at me in that discussion, and I've commented. Narky Blert (talk) 09:04, 30 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The remaining link may have been in Fitoor. I've removed the link, as it was an unsourced change by an IP which has added incorrect information to other films. Certes (talk) 10:54, 30 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Dab links in automated taxoboxes

Hi, when there's a link to a disambiguation page in an automated taxobox ({{Automatic taxobox}}, {{Speciesbox}}, etc.), it needs to be fixed in the taxonomy template, not the taxobox – so there's no point in adding tags as you did at Senna siamea (thereby destroying the taxobox). Click on the "red pencil" in the taxobox, and change |link= in the taxonomy template, as I did at Template:Taxonomy/Senna. Peter coxhead (talk) 06:31, 6 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Peter coxhead: Not exactly intuitive. I have a rule about templates which auto-generate links to DAB pages: waste no more than 15 minutes on an unfamiliar one. I know well over a dozen - possibly 20 - of them, and no two solutions are the same. Narky Blert (talk) 17:14, 6 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

No, I agree it's not intuitive. If there's a problem with an automated taxobox, or indeed any taxobox, I'm always happy to try to help. Peter coxhead (talk) 21:55, 6 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Your revert at Assumption of Mary

Thank you for your revert and explanation at Assumption of Mary. I did not know it was done that way. Editor2020 (talk) 19:01, 7 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Editor2020: You're very welcome! I've been complained at/reverted by WP:ADMINs who didn't know that guideline.

PS. I recommend that you do not print off WP:MOS, in case you might drop it on your foot. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 19:18, 7 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

PPS. I thought I'd seen that page before, for a different reason. I had: Talk:Cathedral of the Assumption#Requested move 29 May 2017. Narky Blert (talk) 19:24, 7 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Captain Caveman and the Teen Angels

Hello Narky Blert! I'm writing to share my thoughts about recent edits to Captain Caveman and the Teen Angels. I did a big revert on this article today, which undid several edits you made to it. First of all, I want to congratulate you on your work in disambiguation; as you probably know I've done work in this area too, and I think it's important to make Wikipedia more user-friendly.

In the case of Captain Caveman and the Teen Angels; when I ran across it this morning, it had dozens of names listed as producers (Executive Producers, in fact). This set off alarm bells in my head, and then I realized that the list of producers included Ron Howard, Matt Groening, and several Japanese names that I knew weren't involved in this American show. I then checked IMDB to confirm my suspicions, and then the article history where I found about 5 large edits by an IP account. This IP account had been blocked a couple of months ago, in fact. I therefore reverted to a version just prior to the IP account's first edit.

I'm writing this as a "word to the wise", and please don't take this as criticism of your good work: There are times when dablinks appear because a vandal has left his/her mark on an article. In this particular case the vandal has wasted some of your time in fixing stuff that didn't belong in the article in the first place.

All the best, PK T(alk) 17:43, 8 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@PKT: I saw your big revert an hour or so ago, and was delighted: yay! major WP:DPL problem solved. Good work! As always, knowledge of a topic area helps; in this case, your recognising a couple of names.

I'd wasted hardly any time on CCatTA. I routinely cycle through one of the User:DPL bot lists, so I was opening the links anyway. Google name + Captain Caveman; anything in the first few hits? no? tag as {{dn}}, and move on. I decided that that would be quicker than investigating the whole shooting-match. 7 edits? 20 minutes, tops.

I too have reverted over 10K (once, anyway). I've been reverted by other DABfixers before now when they'd spotted something I'd missed; and I've returned the favour when I was the one who'd spotted something. Vanity posts by BoNs who add themselves to lists of names are a particular bugbear of mine – especially if I missed them first time round... Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 18:49, 8 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Good grief!

Good catch here! I mean ... gosh. Vended. Words fail me. Cheers DBaK (talk) 18:45, 9 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@DBaK: There was an ambiguous link to Triumph Motorcycles in another article. OK let's see...can't be that company, can't be that company, must be this company, fix the error.

A minute later, a thought at the back of my mind: did I really just speedread 'vended'? Narky Blert (talk) 19:00, 9 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Fabulous!! :) DBaK (talk) 19:13, 9 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

A quick search reveals a disappointing amount of further abuse. I don't even know what "vended" means here: ticket sales? History of film#1980s. Certes (talk) 19:21, 9 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Certes: How do this/1 and my 2nd thought this/2 look? Narky Blert (talk) 20:05, 9 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Both are definite improvements, thanks. I agree that we don't need any synonym for vended there; everyone knows what happens to a completed film. Certes (talk) 21:04, 9 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Certes and DBaK: It's perfectly simple. Vendors vend vendables to vendees. The operation is called vendage or vendition. I deprecate possible overcomplications like vendagor, vendagee, venditioning, venditioned, venditioninger, and the like.

Narky Blert (talk) 19:31, 9 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Well quite! :) DBaK (talk) 19:52, 9 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

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Victoria Boys School

Are you in any way associated with Victoria Boys School Kurseong? Thanks.--Tabletop123 (talk) 01:58, 16 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Tabletop123: Not in any way. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 07:35, 16 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Islam in Central Sulawesi

Hi Narky Blert! Thanks for fixing some links in that artikel. Rgds, XoXo (talk) 05:46, 20 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Naval Scene: You're welcome. Every little helps. Narky Blert (talk) 11:11, 20 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Table of Contents on DABs

Hi Narky. I notice you sometimes use __NOTOC__ on DAB pages, whereas I thought the preferred use was {{TOC right}}. Are there criteria for using one vs. the other? (I'm being completely sincere). Hoof Hearted (talk) 14:28, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Hoof Hearted: My rule of thumb (which I'm sure I've read somewhere in WP:MOS, because otherwise I wouldn't have that rule of thumb) is to use __NOTOC__ if the DAB page is no more than just over a screenful and {{TOC right}} otherwise. Anything to stop the TOC from cluttering up top left of the page. (If there already is a TOC right on a short page, I'd leave it there on the life's-too-short principle.)

Good catch on Up and Down, that is long enough for TOC right; so I've added it. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 14:41, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Your GA nomination of Giovanni Fornasini

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Giovanni Fornasini you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Display name 99 -- Display name 99 (talk) 15:41, 7 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Display name 99: Thank you. The article has already passed WP:DYK, and you may find something relevant in the discussion at Template:Did you know nominations/Giovanni Fornasini. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 15:48, 7 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. I see that there was some overlap between what I wrote and a comment somebody else made on August 27, such as getting rid of the definition of canonization in the lead and expanding it to include a better summary of his life. That was 10 days ago, although nothing has since been done. I trust you understand that DYK and GAN are two different things, and that you will work on what I have suggested and respond to my review at the good article review page shortly. Thank you. Display name 99 (talk) 20:58, 7 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Display name 99: Yes, I do know that DYK and GAN are different concepts, and that acceptance in one is no argument of any kind whatsoever for acceptance in the other. I posted that link simply as background to avoid duplication.

I look forward to reading - and, I hope, to being able to address - your comments. Narky Blert (talk) 21:28, 7 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yanela.S

What your problem man 56yanela (talk) 18:36, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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