User talk:Narky Blert/2018

DN tag

Hello. It would be nice if you used a complete phrase in Edit summaries. I have no idea what "DN tag" means (though I could look it up), and neither do lots of other people. Sincerely, your friend, BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 16:12, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

I'm trying "dab-needed tag" instead. Narky Blert (talk) 17:35, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

DAB link repair

Hi Narky, i think it would be better to change this [1] DAB as "Assyria". It has been discussed before and as other editors ascertained [2][3][4] the term refers to ancient Assyria (because the section in the article is about antiquity), and has nothing to do with one of the disputed[5] terms used by modern Syriac Christians, see [6]. In this case, fixing-repairing the DAB link as "Assyria" seems more accurate. I can't do it, because the page is semi-protected and I am not registered. Can you please fix it? Cheers. 192.222.219.35 (talk) 18:47, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

Done. Assyria/n/s are notoriously tricky terms to get right (as that to-and-fro over where Assyrians should redirect illustrates). I too have come the modern disputed term. Narky Blert (talk) 19:22, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

Forth Bridge

Hi there, the dab tags at Forth Bridge regard clarification as to whether North or South Queensferry is intended, per a post I made on the talk page, so I've put them back in place. I dabbed several other instances in the article a few days ago but these two were less clear so I didn't want to guess them and tagged them instead. The first of the two is probably South Q, from the preceding sentences, but it isn't certain and the second could be either. All the best. Mutt Lunker (talk) 11:38, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

@Mutt Lunker: in that case they should be {{clarify}} tags not {{dn}} tags. {{dn}} tags are only to be used on links to DAB pages. From the documentation, "This tag is used on a link that needs to be improved because it goes to a disambiguation page. The tag is intended to be used only when an editor has tried to fix the link but not succeeded". {{clarify}} also has the advantage of a |reason= parameter which explains the problem on mousing-over. Narky Blert (talk) 12:20, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

Aha, ok. I'll change it. Mutt Lunker (talk) 15:15, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

@Mutt Lunker: - a tip. If the sources are unclear and you think the problem will be impossible ever to solve, you could add a non-WP:OR footnote, e.g. "The sources simply say Queensferry; it is unclear whether they mean North Queensferry or South Queensferry." Not as satisfactory as finding the true answer; but at least of some help to readers, by telling them that there is a puzzle which an editor has tried to solve. I've used that technique with e.g. mediaeval history and the birthplaces of Polish emigrés, where there's very likely no surviving record. Opening a discussion on the Talk Page, as you have done, can also be a good idea. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 15:30, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

Good idea. Probably can't address it now but will return later. Thanks. Mutt Lunker (talk) 15:33, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

Belated best wishes for a happy 2018

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You just confused me...

The edit summary of this edit you made just sounds so wrong...you do realise the other meaning of that word? Right? VibeScepter (talk) 15:55, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

@VibeScepter: it shows in the article as {{disambiguation needed}}, to which {{dab needed}} redirects. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 16:01, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

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S-line

Just to let you know that I've made quite a few changes recently to pages related to S-line, including the station subtemplates. If you find anything seriously amiss in China, Malaysia/Singapore, Thailand or New Zealand, please let me know as I may have messed up. Thanks, Certes (talk) 12:27, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

@Certes: Thanks for the heads-up, and will do.

I'm working my way through Disambiguation pages with links for the third time, and so should find any new S-line DAB problems. (I find it a good place to work: hardly any duplication of effort, and sooner or later everything gets looked at. I'm also bookmarking DAB problems, some longstanding, which specialist WikiProjects may be able to solve.) Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 13:40, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the reminder. I use page one of that report to fix pages with many links but just realised I can search it for "station" to check my work. It won't reveal any links that I may have inadvertently sent to the wrong article or turned red, but hopefully they are few. Certes (talk) 15:07, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

@Certes: This discussion Template talk:S-line#Disambiguation, and especially what looks like its conclusion, might interest you. Narky Blert (talk) 16:11, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. I think I've got my head round some of the intricacies but link1= will be handy, especially when the article title is an an unusual format that doesn't correspond to any settings of the existing parameters. Certes (talk) 17:34, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Manhattan Transfer ft. Yes

I think this edit should finally dispose of the link from M23 (New York City bus) to Yes. I've made a similar changes to sort out Woodhaven and Cross Bay Boulevards buses and dozens of subway templates such as {{7 (New York City Subway service)}} that were all recording wikilinks to yes or T or whatever parameter value the editor typed in to mean "select this option". Certes (talk) 19:00, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

@Certes: Good work! These template creators really do give WP:DPL a run for their money.

Perhaps they might team up on "Route 66", considering how much of a nuisance some of the road templates can be. Narky Blert (talk) 19:34, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Seeking Talk Page Feedback

As you have edited Illinois gubernatorial election, 2018 in the last month, I am seeking your feedback on my post Talk:Illinois gubernatorial election, 2018#Non Notable Endorsements. Your thoughts are appreciated--Mpen320 (talk) 14:40, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

ZenCash(Cryptocurrency) New Unreviewed Article Disambiguation

Dear Narky Blert

I would appreciate your help to review and cleaning my brand new article.

There is a disambiguation problem between Z Classic, Zcash and ZenCash that is needed to be solved. Maybe you can help me in redirect, move or reorder this to the right place

I would really appreciate your experience and comments to improve it.

Regards

--Fergus_Manx 00:22, 10 February 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by SpaceMAN (talk • contribs)

James Hart

Hi, I noticed you fixed a dab link for James Hart on the Prince Edward page. The list of politicians is in a table formatted using the OntMPP template. To add a disambiguation to the table use the "RepLink" parameter as in this example:

Prince Edward
Assembly	Years	Member		Party
5th	1883–1886	James Hart

Just in case you find anymore.

Thanks! EncyclopediaUpdaticus (talk) 15:41, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

@EncyclopediaUpdaticus: Thanks for formatting the link. I was just pleased that the first fix I tried worked. I know the DAB fixes for a dozen or so templates; hardly two are the same. Some templates are so convoluted that after 15 minutes of trying various solutions (including reading the documentation, if any), I've had to post on the template Talk Page. Narky Blert (talk) 15:48, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

Recruiting help

Have you thought of recruiting help for the many links about India? I find the geography of some of these places baffling: Ireland, England, Italy, Poland, Russia, Germany. So many places with the same name that require knowing the divisions and subdivisions of the geography. Rarely are those divisions given in sources which write about them.
–Vmavanti (talk) 15:00, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

@Vmavanti: IMO Russian and (especially) Polish links can be the most difficult. One problem is that links to Polish placenames sometimes relate to places now in Russia, Ukraine or Belarus, where the spelling and pronunciation are different. (An example without ambiguity is Lwów/Lviv/Львів.)

The problems with the Subcontinent are that the English articles are often missing, and that the local Wikis aren't very good. I think I've only ever found useful info in Nepali, Tamil and Telugu; nothing at all in very major languages like Bengali, Hindi and Urdu. However, there are a couple of not quite WP:RS sites which turn up in Google searches - and if they give coordinates, the next step is Google Maps. I've been able to think up good redlink qualifiers that way.

I'm in UK, and am comfortable with the geography of Britain and Ireland. Some problems can be solved using local knowledge. Some early ones can be solved by a WP:NPOV footnote, along the lines of "The source just says [[Place (disambiguation|Place]]. It might be referring to [[This Place]] or [[That Place]], and it is possible that no-one will ever know". Of course, that isn't good enough if sources might still exist (parish records or the like).

With these sorts of problem, my first line of attack is always to look at the home-language Wiki or Wikis to see if there's a sound-looking link there. (Sometimes translators forget to bring the whole link across; sometimes there's a WP:PRIMARYTOPIC in another language, and it's clear from the context that it's correct.) I've often solved problems by looking at the home-language DAB page and adding an {{ill}} link. (I've linked to well over 100 non-English Wikis, and got useful info from another 10. I can read most European languages, backed up by Google Translate if necessary.)

I keep up to date with Category:Articles with links needing disambiguation; I've worked through all of it. I cycle through Disambiguation pages with links (currently halfway through my third run; should be complete in about 4 weeks; then back to the top again). If there's a {{dn}} tag, I'll see it (sometimes more than once); so if you come across a non-English problem whose solution isn't immediately obvious, stick one on, or {{ping}} me. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 16:06, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Maybe you can explain English geography to me. Here's an example. Albert Elms, born in Newington, Kent, England. Newington needs to be disambiguated. Clicking on the link shows

• Newington, London
• Newington, Swale, Kent
• Newington, Shepway, Kent
• Newington, Thanet, Kent
• Newington, Oxfordshire
• Newington, Shropshire, Craven Arms

In England, when people refer to their towns, whether in speech or writing, what place do they say? How specific are they? You can't say just "Kent" or just "Newington" unless you want to remain anonymous. A newspaper reporter would have to say, "Albert Elms is from Newington, Swale, Kent" or something like that to eliminate ambiguity. I imagine there are reasons for these divisions and this naming system. I find an interesting disparity between where people live and what others say about where they live. Or don't say, if you get my point. In America, there's a Miami University in Miami, Florida and a Miami University in Oxford, Ohio. The latter is always called "Miami of Ohio". When we hear the word "Miami", most everyone thinks of Florida, the city, then the school.
–Vmavanti (talk) 21:18, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

@Vmavanti: I'd seen that particular problem. It looks impossible to solve without local research into written registers. The obits just say "Newington, Kent". I can rule out Newington, London (it used to be in Surrey) and the places in Oxfordshire and Shropshire. That leaves three places in Kent. (1) Newington, Thanet is a suburb, so you'd likely say you came from Newington in Ramsgate. (2) Newington, Shepway is a village, so you'd likely say you came from Newington near Folkestone. (Ramsgate and Folkestone are well-known places.) (3) My WP:OR suggests Newington, Swale, and I'd put money on it – but I'd need evidence before committing to that in Wiki.

In UK, we usually just say or write the placename, possibly with a descriptive qualifier. There are subleties, sometimes regional ones. "I'm from Newcastle" almost always means Newcastle-upon-Tyne (and the Geordie accent and the stress "Newcástle" was probably a giveaway). "Newcastle" for Newcastle-under-Lyme is very local. "I'm from Durham" means Durham, England, everywhere; because otherwise you'd have said "from County Durham".

In Scotland, another historic formula might be "I'm from A of B", where B might be a county, a region, or a clan.

In old sources, "he had land in A and B" almost always means places very nearby, if not adjoining. You needed to be able to ride there and back within a day to make sure that your steward wasn't robbing you.

Another fertile source of confusion: things like "Baron of A", where "A" is quite possibly the name of a castle or other building which has no relation at all to any inhabited place of the same name. Perhaps even more so in continental Europe: "of/de/von A" often means "Château A" or "Schloss A", the place where noble family "A" lived. Narky Blert (talk) 22:56, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Re: Westlife

Kindly specifically point out the unsourced contents. Thank you

Surya Jayaweera

Hi there. I'm trying to remove the advertisement tag on Surya Jayaweera and I've already edited it. If it's not much of a bother, would you be willing to look at it and give me some pointers? Thank you very much. Dodgetherocks (talk) 23:27, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

Still looks like {{advert}} to me, and also as perhaps failing WP:NBIO. I'll have a look. WP:CANVASSing may sometimes bite you in the ass. Narky Blert (talk) 23:58, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

Any further discussion should take place at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Surya Jayaweera, to avoid WP:CONTENTFORK. Narky Blert (talk) 00:45, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

Your very useful queries...

... at the G&R project page are much appreciated; your latest there has spawned a very enjoyable expansion at Cyrus (architect). Haploidavey (talk) 21:43, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

@Haploidavey: TY! I've just upgraded Cyrus from stub to start. That article will probably never be more than start-class, like many such, but it now reads well. (I can read Latin, slowly (I have a Grade 2 'O'-Level (numbered levels preceded lettered ones) in the language, from rather too long ago), and can transliterate Greek.)

In my experience, Wikipedia:Wikiproject Classics members are world-class at solving this sort of problem; ones which I have failed to solve using DGRBM and DGRG. Narky Blert (talk) 22:26, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

It's a nice wee article, isn't it? My GCE Latin classes did me no good at all, because I spent them helplessly, furtively ogling the agonisingly beautiful Anne-Marie. Sigh. We didn't have Greek until 6th form and I was so horribly bad at Latin, they wouldn't even let me sit the final exam. As you might imagine, dealing with Latin for Wikipedia articles is not my forte. I remain deeply thankful for the dear old DGRBM & DGRG, and my better-educated colleagues. Haploidavey (talk) 00:02, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

quick question!

Hi, thank you for your contributions. You show up on my watchlist all the time :) I wanted to ask you about disambiguation pages, as I'm still fairly new to all this stuff. I saw this edit you made: [7], where you added indefinite articles ("an xxx, a yyy, a zzz...") to every entry. My impression is that having all those as and ans is needlessly repetitive, and it doesn't improve the clarity. Is there a rule about this? If there is a rule, I'm happy to work with it. But otherwise, I don't see how this makes dab pages better :S Thanks! Dr. Vogel (talk) 14:02, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

@DrVogel: don't drop the Manual of Style on your foot! Those indefinite articles are in line with MOS:DABENTRY.

On the other hand, descriptions of people should not start with an indefinite article. See MOS:DABPEOPLE.

Always happy to help. Narky Blert (talk) 14:15, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

I've had a look. Am I being naive, or is that incredibly inconsistent?? Dr. Vogel (talk) 16:15, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

@DrVogel: I'm tempted towards your second suggestion. If you think that's bad, have a look at MOS:TITLECAPS; which I find confusing to apply and ugly to look at. It could have been written by the Compositors and Typesetters Union, a fictional closed shop. Rules like those are now carved in stone.

Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and just about no-one can edit correctly. Narky Blert (talk) 16:44, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

Haha, seriously, what a mess. But thanks for your help and for being welcoming to new editors. Dr. Vogel (talk) 08:22, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Salomon

Just to let you know you made a mistake with this edit. The Salomon case was a UK case, not an American one. 188.29.164.234 (talk) 07:38, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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	Every time i see you plow through a huge list of taxonomers, i think "Thank goth for Narky Blert!" Nessie (talk) 16:53, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

@Nessie:Thank you! It needed doing, and was interesting to do. You had already done a lot of useful work by adding 16K to that Pison article. Narky Blert (talk) 17:24, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Long unbroken list of French places

French geography baffles me. Do you know someone who can break up this list into logical sections? Thanks. I think readers would appreciate that. See Bourg.
Vmavanti (talk) 00:38, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

@Vmavanti: yuck! what a mess. I've split the list as best I can. The French scheme to distinguish multiple places with the same name is typically to hyphenate using a local descriptor rather than the department name. (Compare Newcastle#England for a similar, but less systematic, idea. Another trad. British idea is to use a descriptive adjective, see Ayton. I know from personal experience that "Great Ayton" is known locally as "Ayton".) "Bourg-Someplace" is likely to be called "Bourg" locally. On the other hand, "Someplace-Bourg" is likely to be called "Someplace" locally, so that for those "Bourg" is no more than a WP:PTM. Narky Blert (talk) 01:38, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

My granny, who lived there, used to further disambiguate Great Ayton by referring to it as Canny Atton. I hope that this information is helpful. I bet you were waiting to hear from me, no? DBaK (talk) 09:53, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

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Your GA nomination of Saint Dominic in Soriano

The article Saint Dominic in Soriano you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Saint Dominic in Soriano for things which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Iazyges -- Iazyges (talk) 13:41, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

Can't edit

When I hit submit, I get the message "Your IP address has been blocked automatically, because it was used by a blocked user." Huh?Vmavanti (talk) 02:55, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

@Vmavanti:. I had the same thing happen to me once - some vandal was using the same IP. See #IP block 85.255.234.231. Block ID #6870105. What you need is Template:Unblock. Once I had found it and added it to my Talk Page, an admin was along very quickly. Good luck! Narky Blert (talk) 08:27, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

Eye of the Beholder

Do you know why those Eye of the Beholder links keep showing up on the disambig list? There are some others like that, too.Vmavanti (talk) 22:09, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

I don't know either, but I wouldn't bet against {{Infobox video game}} which contains our favourite incantation #invoke:WikidataIB. Certes (talk) 22:31, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

@Vmavanti and Certes: Gottit! I'd seen a sucker like this before. That gottverdammt {{infobox video game}} has a field "|series=", which by default calls Wikidata, which by default calls any page title match in Wikipedia - DAB page, totally wrong, whatever. I've overwritten it manually in both Eye of the Beholder (video game) and Eye of the Beholder II: The Legend of Darkmoon by adding "|series=Eye of the Beholder". The first of those took two attempts: there were two infoboxes. I refreshed the "What links here" until it was clean.

My technique, after more than one encounter with this sort of nonsense where nothing shows up in the Edit display, is: search the Read version of the article, and look for that "link to Wikidata" pencil. Then (1) take a deep breath (2) swear (3) overwrite the default field manually. I suspect that {{infobox video game}} is not the only one.

IIRC, Eye of the Beholder was a somewhat cruddy game, whatever the reviews might have said. That screenshot looks familiar. Narky Blert (talk) 00:42, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

@Vmavanti and Certes: Sometimes, you can't overwrite a call from Wikidata unless you write an article – even ones as pathetic as José Vega (cyclist) and José Varela (cyclist), currently #287= and #310= in Wikipedia:Database reports/Shortest biographies of living people. Narky Blert (talk) 00:51, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

@Vmavanti and Certes: See also Template talk:Infobox video game. Narky Blert (talk) 01:22, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Good job. Now what about All-Ireland Senior Championship, number one on the list?
Vmavanti (talk) 01:24, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

@Vmavanti: See Template talk:Infobox GAA player#A link to a DAB page :-(( Narky Blert (talk) 01:42, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Other pages

At the top of the DAB bonus list, are there problems with the Nuno Rocha pages and the Korean election pages? Slightly further down, the entry Ashtanayika, an orphan, looks wrong because everything I find on Google refers to this Ashta Nayika. Thanks again for your help.
Vmavanti (talk) 23:46, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

@Vmavanti: I'll have a look. Let me get back to you. I spend most of my time in DAB pages with one link, something like #676 to #6520 or something. (I'm now at #3558, 4th time through. I find it a good area to work, with very little duplication of effort by other DABfixers.) Narky Blert (talk) 00:10, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

@Vmavanti: BTW, Wikipedia talk:Disambiguation pages with links can be a good place to raise issues of this sort. Most of the power DABbers watch it – and anyone who fixes as many bad links as you do counts as one. Narky Blert (talk) 00:22, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Real Life Barnstar
	Why do your userboxes say that you are a citizen of both the United Kingdom and the European Union? DoNt yuo KnOw tHat thE *U.K.* is NoT pARt of tHe *E.U.* anYmOrE?????? Korean Jesus111 (talk) 07:39, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Comment: it's none of my business of course, but I feel it would greatly help your point if you could say on precisely which date you think that the UK left the EU? The article Brexit might assist here. Oh and by the way your shift key is sticking. Best wishes to all DBaK (talk)

@DBaK:Hey, a WP:BARNSTAR is a Barnstar innit?

No, IDK what OP wAs gOIng On abOUt EIthEr. Narky Blert (talk) 00:23, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

Dab question

So, um... in this edit, you replaced a dab with a redirect to a dab. Is that how it's done? Primefac (talk) 17:30, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

@Primefac: Yes - see WP:INTDABLINK, 1st para and examples. Routing through a (disambiguation) link suppresses those nastygrams from User:DPL bot (and also takes source and target off the error reports). It's only necessary if the target is tagged with {{disambiguation}} or one of its child templates such as {{geodis}} or {{hndis}}. Easy if you know how, impossible if you don't. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 17:41, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

Cool. Thanks!. Primefac (talk) 18:40, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

Pointless Disambiguation page of the Month

And the winner is... National Film Award - Special Jury Award / Special Mention (Feature Film) (disambiguation). Certes (talk) 19:09, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

@Certes: Also a strong contender for Most Malformed Disambiguation Page of the Month. Narky Blert (talk) 19:12, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Saint Dominic in Soriano

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Visione di Soriano

Ciao Narky Blert, ti ringrazio per la tua segnalazione sulla voce in questione. Io l'ho creata su it.wiki dopo una visita a Bolzano e sulla base delle poche informazioni lette su una breve descrizione pubblica riportata vicino al quadro. Non sapevo che esisteva una voce su en.wiki molto + dettagliata. Comunque ho creato il collegamento interwiki con la voce inglese e ho anche tradotto la voce italiana su de.wiki. Forse approfitterò della voce di en.wiki per riportare qualche immagine e nome di chiesa su quella italiana. Ciao e buon lavoro, K.Weise (talk) 17:07, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

@K.Weise: Ciao! È una storia straordinaria. Il miracolo era molto difficile da ricercare - sembra essere stato quasi dimenticato. Narky Blert (talk) 17:15, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bridget Stutchbury

Hi. I won't decorate your talk page with another wet fish, but please don't claim you did WP:BEFORE or were familiar with WP:NPROF, because you do appear to have done neither. We all work in our areas of choice and what we're best at; what you mainly do is important, but I would suggest leaving deletion nominations to those who have, through their experience, made it the focus of their work. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:36, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Da Gama

Hi there. The links you inserted are redirects to "simple" page names so the change was unnecessary. That's also why I recently reverted a previous edit of this sort. Please consider changing the links back to the pages without (disambiguation). De728631 (talk) 12:37, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

@De728631: links to DAB pages must go through a (disambiguation) link - see WP:INTDABLINK, 1st paragraph and examples. User:DPL bot reports direct links to DAB pages as errors (current total 7,439, down from 63,878 two years ago; see WP:TDD). Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 12:51, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

Ok, you're right. "On a disambiguation page, an intentional link to another disambiguation page that does not contain '(disambiguation)' in the title", this is apparently required. De728631 (talk) 13:03, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

I would not want to drop the MOS on my foot... Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 13:08, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

If it does drop on your foot and turns out to be too heavy, just ignore it. Anyhow, I think we can now leave the Gama page as it is. De728631 (talk) 13:20, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

How about now?

Can you get in now? Email me if you can't. Cheers! bd2412 T 16:26, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

If my e-mail didn't reach you, UTRS is your friend. Certes (talk) 16:50, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

@BD2412 and Certes: Yay! Back again. The block seems to have been lifted while I was in the middle of filling in that form. Thanks both :-D Narky Blert (talk) 17:20, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

Great! bd2412 T 17:23, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

@Certes: (copying in BD2412) thanks for that link. I got blocked again (for three months!) a day ago, by admin User:Vituzzu, whose email is closed and who I therefore had no means of contacting at all, despite the "You can contact Vituzzu to discuss the block" in the block notice.

My UTRS post seems to have cured the problem overnight.

I have still had no response from User:Tegel.

I am fortunate enough to have some knowledge and some contacts. How many less experienced editors have been caught by this sort of collateral damage, and just given up? I doubt that my case is an isolated incident. Narky Blert (talk) 21:15, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

I'm glad this was fixed, but it is clearly an untenable situation. The most immediate solution I can think of is to make you an administrator, so you can't be blocked (inadvertently). bd2412 T 21:26, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

@BD2412: that would work for me, even though I have no desire whatsoever to take on the arduous role of an admin (my speciality is searching, especially in multiple languages). I would not use any of the admin privileges: I don't know enough. My question about unintended collateral blocks on less experienced editors remains open. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 21:40, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

Welcome back. Sorry to hear you've had more problems. Please feel free to e-mail me via WP or directly if this happens again and an ordinary editor can help. I'm no expert but reading around suggests that another option is MediaWiki:Autoblock whitelist. The best way forward may depend on whether this problem is somehow following Narky Blert around between IP addresses, or whether it's affecting several editors in one IP range (some of whom may, as you say, quietly give up). It would probably need a Checkuser to find out who else is affected, as even admins can't see whether other editors' IPs match yours. Certes (talk) 21:49, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

By the way, it might be time to consider archiving this long page! Certes (talk) 21:51, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

@Certes: I have recently had from Wiki two reports of failed log-in attempts to access my acct. Good luck guessing my PW, which includes LC letters, UC letters, digits, and special characters, and is sufficiently long!

As regards archiving, I agree that I have been lazy. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 22:25, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

Hello Narky Blert. I note your comment at MediaWiki:Autoblock whitelist. That is a very obscure backwater with not much relevance to your current situation. From what I can gather you are being affected by some rather wide-ranging global blocks. This can only be handled on meta by the stewards. I have granted you temporary WP:IPBE to get around the problem - please read the policy. You should no longer have problems, but please feel free to continue complaining to/about the stewards. (@BD2412:) -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 23:16, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

Yes, IPBE sounds like the best solution. (I knew something like that existed but couldn't think of its name.) Strangely I too have been warned in the last few weeks about attempts to log in to my account, after 10 years with no such problems, but again they are unlikely to succeed. Certes (talk) 23:41, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

There was a huge automated hacking attempt in the last few weeks - literally tens of thousands of accounts were tried, so don't take any of that personally either of you. If you had a strong password (and I suspect even if not) then you'll have been fine. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 23:48, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

@Zzuuzz: TY. Oh, I don't take this sort of stuff personally - although I do suggest that you keep an eye out for other possible collateral damage to honest editors, notably overbroad blocks by zealous admins which are impossible to lift unless you have considerable experience and have the right sorts of contacts. I knew how to raise a stink. Other editors might not.

I recall a dear friend, now no longer with us, an admin on another well-known site, saying, while three of us (one mod at the top of the list, looking for new IPs; one mod at its tail, picking off leftovers; and that admin) fought off a concerted spam attack c. 2014 (something like 10,000 posts/hour), "I've just blocked one-third of China!" Narky Blert (talk) 02:00, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Saint Dominic in Soriano

On 27 May 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Saint Dominic in Soriano, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Saint Dominic in Soriano was a 1530 painting believed to be of miraculous origin, with numerous miracles being attributed to it? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Saint Dominic in Soriano. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Saint Dominic in Soriano), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Alex Shih (talk) 01:27, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

INS Shakti

Sorry I think you are confused. There are two different classes of Deepak tankers each with their own article, neither of which are dab pages. Can you look again at your edit Lyndaship (talk) 09:56, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

@Lyndaship: It's an issue with Template:sclass-, which I've seen before. {{Sclass|Deepak|tanker}} renders as Deepak-class tanker. Click on that bluelink to tanker, and see where it takes you. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 10:03, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Ok I see the problem now. I've fixed it, your edit caused the earlier Shakti to link to the latter Shakti's ship class. You might want to make a note so if you come across this problem again you can sort it yourself Lyndaship (talk) 10:48, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

@Lyndaship: Thanks! I haven't seen many problems created by {{sclass-}}, but every one has been difficult to solve. Narky Blert (talk) 10:59, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

I've amended it again! Definition of a tanker(ship) is a merchant vessel, the correct term for a military ship which refuels other ships is an oiler. However oiler has the same problem with a dab link as tanker. That gives you a redirect to replenishment oiler and the definition of that is a ship which both refuels and carries dry stores (an oiler only fuels). I'll sort it all tonight Lyndaship (talk) 11:10, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

@Lyndaship: I too would have called a military ship an oiler. I hadn't noticed before that the lead in replenishment oiler refers to both fuel and dry cargo. I think the lead may be too narrow, and need tweaking. The History section seems to describe some dedicated fuel carriers, even if modern ships are more likely to be multi-purpose. (Confusingly, RFA Kharki was launched as a collier and converted to an oiler.) Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 11:31, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

The more I looked at this the more involved it became. I've taken it to WP:SHIPS for comments if you are interested Lyndaship (talk) 07:45, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

Niblett Surname

Hi Narky Blert,

This is the first time I have contacted anyone in Wikipedia so sorry if I am doing it wrong. My Surname is Niblett hence my interest in this Wiki that you created.

In researching my ancestry I have come to the conclusion that the surname is of Romano-British origin. My evidence for this is primarily an Ancestry.com DNA test that I took which showed ancient ancestry from the southern Europe (Italy - Greece) region. Also the highest concentration of the Niblett name is in Gloucestershire which I know is where my ancestry is from. Gloucester was a large Roman fort in the 1st Century but in particular there was a Roman Fort at Haresfield Beacon and many Roman artefacts have been found in this area. Haresfield is located centrally around the area where there was a large number of families with the Niblett name.

During the Roman era Veteran soldiers that had completed twenty five years of service where given land in the area where they were located. This is how the occupied areas where Romanised and settled and may account for the Roman artefacts in the area of Gloucestershire.

When researching the Niblett ancestry a large number of the descriptions of "Nibletts" that I found where of people of "Dark Hair" (like myself) and I have always wondered why? This is the reason for my pleasure in discovering what appears to be a Roman connection to the name.

I am not sure of your reason for having an interest in the Niblett name but I wondered if the evidence above may be sufficient for you to consider an edit to the entry. I would like to add an entry to the Wiki that the origin may be Romano-British. I know this would have helped me to know when I was a young boy who had no idea why he had a m~editerranean appearance. So maybe it might help others to know.

Happy to discuss further. Plus it is just great to be able to tell someone.

Kind Regards, Lee.

Niblettlee (talk) 12:33, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

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Acclaim Entertainment games list is incomplete

Hi, can you add more games to the "List of Acclaim Entertainment games" list, please? Games from 1991 to 1996 such as various Simpsons games and the first two Mortal Kombat games are missing on the list. 2600:6C51:7001:700:ECE5:21E7:918B:9737 (talk) 20:12, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Four-colour decks

Hi Narky, you can even buy four-colour decks on amazon with blue diamonds - Copag sell them. Bermicourt (talk) 10:25, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

@Bermicourt: I don't doubt it - but it's the connection of blue Diamonds with bridge which is missing. For orange, see e.g. bidding box. Note also that there Clubs are grey rather than black. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 10:33, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

You can even buy them with four-colour backs, so the other players can see your cards' suits but not their ranks.[8] Useless for bridge though. Certes (talk) 11:04, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

I have been accused of being unable to tell the fronts from the backs. Narky Blert (talk) 11:13, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Hahaha! I know what you mean! From a quick look online, it seems that four-colour decks are being used in poker (with the blue diamonds) and as a compromise in German tournaments (with the yellow diamonds) where there are players from regions that use French decks and regions that use German decks. It may be that they aren't used much in bridge because it's more of a non-commercial game played in clubs and homes. BTW my source for the link with bridge was French wiki (fr:Carreau (carte à jouer), which unfortunately doesn't have a reference. Maybe it's a French thing? Bermicourt (talk) 12:09, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

@Bermicourt: poker looks very believable, especially for televised or webcast competitions. The Laws of Bridge specify the suit symbols but not their colours. Nevertheless, major change in bridge is unlikely; not just from inertia, but because almost all serious bridge - and all bridge at tournament and international level - is played with pre-dealt boards. You can't see it in the video, but the faces of the cards are bar-coded for machine recognition. If you want a set of boards with suits in customised colours, you're going to have to persuade suppliers like Duplimate to print the cards for you; which wouldn't be cheap and would require a guaranteed order. (In contrast, they'd be crazy not to have French ARDV, Dutch/German AKDB, and so on, packs as stock items for those markets.)

There is professionalism in bridge, particularly in USA and with countries such as Monaco. Prize money ranges between pitiful and non-existent, and betting on results is banned by every national and international association I know of. The scheme is that a rich sponsor pays five top players to make up a team of six. This is not always a good idea, as this video shows.

I think you've opened an interesting topic here. Four-colour decks are indeed commonly used nowadays in bridge, just not with extreme differences: Diamonds orange, and Clubs either grey or (from memory) dark blue. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 13:17, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

I'm no more than a casual/occasional card player, but my interest has been sparked by discovering German decks and card games in all their glorious variety; hence why I've been translating articles on (mainly) German/Austrian card games. I just received a Zwicker deck today and am looking forward to my forthcoming holiday to Austria to pick up some of their weird and wonderful cards. Bermicourt (talk) 16:59, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

@Bermicourt: Look out for skat cards - there are all sorts of regional variations. Several use the ancient suit symbols, see Skat (card game)#Deck. (The pic in that article shows a four-coloured deck with modern symbols). Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 17:16, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Another type of deck to look for in Austria - de:Tarock. Narky Blert (talk) 17:26, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

I have the French and German pattern Skat decks (but not the 4-colour variant), a Bavarian Schafkopf deck, the Württemberg Cego cards and a couple of others. I defo want the Austrian Industrie und Glück Tarock cards which I think are the ones you're referring to and I think they sell Schnapsen packs by the cartload too. Anyway it should be fun. And, as a hobby, not too expensive. :) Bermicourt (talk) 18:15, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Review Draft

Dear Narky Blert, please review Draft:Richard Jabo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MonkeyKingdom (talk • contribs) 19:56, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

MOS:OVERLINK

Just a heads up, I undid your edits removing links to the articles on sand, pebbles, and clay on Beaverdam Formation (Delmarva). I understand why they wouldn't ordinarily be linked due to their common usage, but within the context of a geology-related article, these links are helpful. These terms are used to classify grain size in sedimentary rocks. Avg W (talk) 12:29, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

@Avg W: Fair enough. I've repaired the link to the DAB page pebbles. Narky Blert (talk) 12:34, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Your thread has been archived

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Swin

Hi Narky,

I'm a little confused by your tagging of the Swin in Thames sailing barge. The sentence ends: "... long run along the Swin (in the Thames Estuary)." which I would have thought located the Swin pretty clearly. Furthermore if you follow the link from Swin it leads to a disambiguation page for Swin. There are four entries: "Swin Cash" and "Swin Hadley", both sportsmen, the "Swin River" - possible, but on the wrong side of the globe and "Two channels in the Thames estuary" which looks like a good fit to me. What further disambiguation do you need? Martin of Sheffield (talk) 15:20, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

@Martin of Sheffield: From WP:INTDABLINK - "Links to disambiguation pages from mainspace are typically errors. In order to find and fix those errors, disambiguators generate a wide array of reports of links needing to be checked and fixed." (etc.). User:DPL bot finds links to DAB pages, and reports them as errors (which they are; current count, 6035). Linking to Swin sets readers a puzzle, and leaves them guessing whether East or West Swin (neither of which has an article) is meant. It'd be better to have no link at all than a confusing one.

HMS Hindustan (1903) has the same problem. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 15:36, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

OK, I didn't realise that it was just a bot doing this, I assumed that you had the problem. There's not really enough to justify a stub on the Swin, one of the deletionist brigade will doubtless get rid of it if it is only a couple of names and and a position. So if there is not a stub and the links to the DAB are removed (BTW, I give the readers more credit than you; I think they could work out the the channels are adjacent) how long do you think it will be before a drive-by tagger puts a {{Clarify}} on the name? I've modified the DAB page, see it it suites you. Any suggestions gratefully received. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 16:48, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

@Martin of Sheffield: Well, actually it is my problem, because I'm one of those who fix links to DAB pages for a living. I don't keep count, but I'm well past 50,000 fixes for certain.

There's a further problem: DAB pages are designed to be navigational aids, and should never contain references.

My suggestion: I think there is enough meat to sustain a stub article Swin (Thames). (There doesn't seem much point in having separate articles about the various channels, and I wouldn't be surprised if their courses had shifted over the years - see 1.) A swift Google for 'Swin Thames' turned up this (rocksolid source, Swin in the title). There's also 2 (which mentions a presumably long-gone light-vessel), 3, and 4. Throw in 5 as Further reading, and include that pic in Thames sailing barge, and I think notability would be nailed on.

Articles which mention the Swin but do not link it: Maplin Sands, Leeboard, Dutch ship Beschermer and HMS Albion (1763). A suggestion for the etymology: Swine, East Riding of Yorkshire. I think even the most determined deletionist would have trouble attacking Swin (Thames). Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 17:34, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

@Martin of Sheffield: Good work! I've linked your new article to my finds. Narky Blert (talk) 23:09, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

RTX (real time ray tracing)

Hi Narky - can you please review my draft for Draft:RTX (Ray Tracing Technology) - much thanks. You had left a note on my talkpage. Hope I did a better job this time around.

Popoki 🐱🐱 chat 15:56, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

@Popoki: I do not review drafts, so cannot help you with that issue. Nevertheless, I did read your draft. These points struck me.

1. As a purely technical issue, the qualifier (ray tracing technology) should be in lowercase. Only proper nouns and proper adjectives should be capitalised in qualifiers.
2. Try to find another independent source or two to demonstrate notability. Two sources are good. Three would be better.
3. Add categories to your draft. That may need some thought, and some lateral thinking. Categories are there to help readers find what they might be looking for. Imagine that you were a reader: how would you find this article? (Do NOT put your draft into [[Category:Thingummy]]. If that category existed, that action would annoy other editors. Instead, add [[:Category:Thingummy]] to your draft. The leading colon makes all the difference.)
4. Similarly, before or at the same time as slotting in a new article, make sure that anyone who might like to read it can find it by adding bluelinks from other articles. (Tip: paste 'RTX .' (without those quote marks) into the Wiki search box. That should reveal all possible links in, including all the false positives.) Narky Blert (talk) 21:40, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Thank you Narky!!

1. I will change the case on "ray tracing technology".
2. Yes, I've asked for more sources. I have 2 more and will edit accordingly.
3. I have to go and learn how to create categories, but I have a few ready to go and will search the Wikipedia directions for doing this.
4. I did not realize that I could link to it already - I thought that I had to wait until it was reviewed and approved. Am I also able to add it to other lists just yet? Like the RTX Disambiguation page?

I so appreciate the feedback. Thank you, again!

Popoki 🐱🐱 chat 21:47, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

@Popoki: Don't even bother thinking about creating new categories! That can be a fiddly job. Look for relevant categories which already exist (but only add your article to such categories once your article is in mainspace).

DAB pages are, in effect, index pages. A link in a DAB page should point you to where you can learn more about the topic. So, orphan redlinks in DAB pages are useless. A "what links here" inside the redlink might however point a reader somewhere vaguely useful.

Redlinks in articles are another matter altogether. They say: an editor thinks (rightly or wrongly) that this topic may deserve its own article. For understandable reasons, there are no articles on the imaginary Fubar (video game) developed by Fubar (video game designer) to run on the Fubar (computer) platform. Redlinks like those in mainspace are thoroughly good (apart from the fact that I just made that lot up) and are encouraged. I have written several articles in English Wiki (mostly translations) where a redlink caught my attention. Narky Blert (talk) 22:33, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

I had meant to only add a few existing categories. I already added them; shall I remove them then? I'm not sure how I can make the URL lower case (example: Real Time Ray Tracing should be real time ray tracing). I'll scout around for the fix. References are done.

Popoki 🐱🐱 chat 23:03, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

@Popoki: For categories in draft or sandbox articles: use [[:Category rather than [[Category. When going from draft or sandbox to main space, take the colon out.

For modifications to title qualifiers or the like (such as your own typos which are staring you in the face): either (1) create a new page with the correct title, copy/paste into it, and add {{db-author}} to the old one; or (2) use the "Move" function (it should be under "More" at the top of your Wiki page, between the star (bookmark) icon and the search bar). Redirects are cheap. #2 is often the better option. Narky Blert (talk) 00:54, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

Famousbirthdays.com as a source

Hi Narky Blert. I noticed that you recently used famousbirthdays.com as a source for information in a biography article, Shirin Oskooi. Please note that there is general consensus that famousbirthdays.com does not meet the reliable sourcing criteria for the inclusion of personal information in such articles. (See Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_153#Is_famousbirthdays.com_a_reliable_source_for_personal_information). If you disagree, let's discuss it. Thanks. --Ronz (talk) 17:10, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

@Ronz: I see you've deleted the citation - fine by me. A non-WP:RS source of intimate info in a WP:BLP is not fit even to be a WP:EL. Narky Blert (talk) 17:22, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

delete

Please delete the Shirin oskooi article. She is not notable and we can't have articles on every reality contestant. Wikipedia isn't a fandom wikia. I am asking you nicely, there is no reason for her to have her own article here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.233.143.77 (talk) 04:04, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for watching my back

@72, Favonian, and Entranced98: What those IP editors who you reverted didn't appreciate was that I was performing WP:FIXDABLINKS in preparation for retargetting Chandra Mohan (actor). Sure enough, several of the incoming links related to the wrong actor. Narky Blert (talk) 12:02, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

این نشان برای شما!

	نشان ویراستار
	To improve the article by Ilia Hashemi استاد پاییز (talk) 00:28, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Mass disambiguation

Hi, I have a query. Because of this move, articles linked to T-Series now redirects to the disambiguation page T series. So, instead of fixing the links one at a time, is there any way to fix them at one go, or at least semi-automatically? Thanks Vivek Ray (talk) 07:41, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

@Vivek Ray: That sort of move almost always reveals some (or many) links which were bad, and it's very advisable to check them all by eye. I recently retargetted Chandra Mohan (actor) from Chandra Mohan (Telugu actor) to the DAB page. There were more than 300 incoming links, and 3 of them related to Chandra Mohan (Hindi actor). I also remember when vinyl was turned from a redirect to vinyl group into a DAB page: there were well over a thousand incoming links, only about one in ten of which related to chemistry (the rest were mostly divided between gramophone records, floor coverings, and other miscellaneous uses of PVC).

Several tools are described at Wikipedia:Disambiguation pages with links#Tools and reports. I've used none of them: I spend most of my time fixing singleton links, where they wouldn't help. (I chose that as my speciality because there's very little duplication of effort.)

User:BD2412 and User:R'n'B could be good people to ask for advice. They're both very experienced disambiguators, and firefight the new horrors which appear every day. Or, perhaps even better, ask at Wikipedia talk:Disambiguation pages with links - that page is actively watched. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 08:51, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi, thank you for your advice. I have started repairing the links using DisamAssist as it allows me to check each link (like you said). Vivek Ray (talk) 09:14, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

@Vivek Ray: "361 disambig pages left the list today, including: T series: had 729 links." Narky Blert (talk) 11:55, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

Matthiaspaul and R'n'B also fixed many links. Matthiaspaul said there is one remaining transclusion into T-Series. I am unable to find it. If you are free can you look into it? Thanks! Vivek Ray (talk) 12:28, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

@Vivek Ray: Fixing dablinks is a team effort. Every little helps.

User:DPL bot reports no bad links into T series, and that's good enough for me. Transclusions can take some time to work their way out of the system. You can often hurry them along by making a WP:NULLEDIT on the article. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 12:37, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

Unfortunately, this isn't some kind of temporary synchronization problem, but is apparently caused by a bug in a Lua module or even the mediawiki software. We are still trying to narrow it down better. Just in case you run into something similar, here's our current discussion regarding this FYI: User talk:Paine Ellsworth#Interesting transclusion effect - any idea?

--Matthiaspaul (talk) 08:43, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

@Matthiaspaul: That doesn't surprise me at all. #ifexist jumped off the page at me in that discussion, and I've commented. Narky Blert (talk) 09:04, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

The remaining link may have been in Fitoor. I've removed the link, as it was an unsourced change by an IP which has added incorrect information to other films. Certes (talk) 10:54, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

Dab links in automated taxoboxes

Hi, when there's a link to a disambiguation page in an automated taxobox ({{Automatic taxobox}}, {{Speciesbox}}, etc.), it needs to be fixed in the taxonomy template, not the taxobox – so there's no point in adding tags as you did at Senna siamea (thereby destroying the taxobox). Click on the "red pencil" in the taxobox, and change |link= in the taxonomy template, as I did at Template:Taxonomy/Senna. Peter coxhead (talk) 06:31, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

@Peter coxhead: Not exactly intuitive. I have a rule about templates which auto-generate links to DAB pages: waste no more than 15 minutes on an unfamiliar one. I know well over a dozen - possibly 20 - of them, and no two solutions are the same. Narky Blert (talk) 17:14, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

No, I agree it's not intuitive. If there's a problem with an automated taxobox, or indeed any taxobox, I'm always happy to try to help. Peter coxhead (talk) 21:55, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

Your revert at Assumption of Mary

Thank you for your revert and explanation at Assumption of Mary. I did not know it was done that way. Editor2020 (talk) 19:01, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

@Editor2020: You're very welcome! I've been complained at/reverted by WP:ADMINs who didn't know that guideline.

PS. I recommend that you do not print off WP:MOS, in case you might drop it on your foot. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 19:18, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

PPS. I thought I'd seen that page before, for a different reason. I had: Talk:Cathedral of the Assumption#Requested move 29 May 2017. Narky Blert (talk) 19:24, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

Captain Caveman and the Teen Angels

Hello Narky Blert! I'm writing to share my thoughts about recent edits to Captain Caveman and the Teen Angels. I did a big revert on this article today, which undid several edits you made to it. First of all, I want to congratulate you on your work in disambiguation; as you probably know I've done work in this area too, and I think it's important to make Wikipedia more user-friendly.

In the case of Captain Caveman and the Teen Angels; when I ran across it this morning, it had dozens of names listed as producers (Executive Producers, in fact). This set off alarm bells in my head, and then I realized that the list of producers included Ron Howard, Matt Groening, and several Japanese names that I knew weren't involved in this American show. I then checked IMDB to confirm my suspicions, and then the article history where I found about 5 large edits by an IP account. This IP account had been blocked a couple of months ago, in fact. I therefore reverted to a version just prior to the IP account's first edit.

I'm writing this as a "word to the wise", and please don't take this as criticism of your good work: There are times when dablinks appear because a vandal has left his/her mark on an article. In this particular case the vandal has wasted some of your time in fixing stuff that didn't belong in the article in the first place.

All the best, PKT(alk) 17:43, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

@PKT: I saw your big revert an hour or so ago, and was delighted: yay! major WP:DPL problem solved. Good work! As always, knowledge of a topic area helps; in this case, your recognising a couple of names.

I'd wasted hardly any time on CCatTA. I routinely cycle through one of the User:DPL bot lists, so I was opening the links anyway. Google name + Captain Caveman; anything in the first few hits? no? tag as {{dn}}, and move on. I decided that that would be quicker than investigating the whole shooting-match. 7 edits? 20 minutes, tops.

I too have reverted over 10K (once, anyway). I've been reverted by other DABfixers before now when they'd spotted something I'd missed; and I've returned the favour when I was the one who'd spotted something. Vanity posts by BoNs who add themselves to lists of names are a particular bugbear of mine – especially if I missed them first time round... Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 18:49, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Good grief!

Good catch here! I mean ... gosh. Vended. Words fail me. Cheers DBaK (talk) 18:45, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

@DBaK: There was an ambiguous link to Triumph Motorcycles in another article. OK let's see...can't be that company, can't be that company, must be this company, fix the error.

A minute later, a thought at the back of my mind: did I really just speedread 'vended'? Narky Blert (talk) 19:00, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Fabulous!! :) DBaK (talk) 19:13, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

A quick search reveals a disappointing amount of further abuse. I don't even know what "vended" means here: ticket sales? History of film#1980s. Certes (talk) 19:21, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

@Certes: How do this/1 and my 2nd thought this/2 look? Narky Blert (talk) 20:05, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Both are definite improvements, thanks. I agree that we don't need any synonym for vended there; everyone knows what happens to a completed film. Certes (talk) 21:04, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

@Certes and DBaK: It's perfectly simple. Vendors vend vendables to vendees. The operation is called vendage or vendition. I deprecate possible overcomplications like vendagor, vendagee, venditioning, venditioned, venditioninger, and the like.

Not to be confused with Venting.

Narky Blert (talk) 19:31, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Well quite! :) DBaK (talk) 19:52, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

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Victoria Boys School

Are you in any way associated with Victoria Boys School Kurseong? Thanks.--Tabletop123 (talk) 01:58, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

@Tabletop123: Not in any way. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 07:35, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Islam in Central Sulawesi

Hi Narky Blert! Thanks for fixing some links in that artikel. Rgds, XoXo (talk) 05:46, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

@Naval Scene: You're welcome. Every little helps. Narky Blert (talk) 11:11, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

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Table of Contents on DABs

Hi Narky. I notice you sometimes use __NOTOC__ on DAB pages, whereas I thought the preferred use was {{TOC right}}. Are there criteria for using one vs. the other? (I'm being completely sincere). Hoof Hearted (talk) 14:28, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

@Hoof Hearted: My rule of thumb (which I'm sure I've read somewhere in WP:MOS, because otherwise I wouldn't have that rule of thumb) is to use __NOTOC__ if the DAB page is no more than just over a screenful and {{TOC right}} otherwise. Anything to stop the TOC from cluttering up top left of the page. (If there already is a TOC right on a short page, I'd leave it there on the life's-too-short principle.)

Good catch on Up and Down, that is long enough for TOC right; so I've added it. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 14:41, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Giovanni Fornasini

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@Display name 99: Thank you. The article has already passed WP:DYK, and you may find something relevant in the discussion at Template:Did you know nominations/Giovanni Fornasini. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 15:48, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

Thank you. I see that there was some overlap between what I wrote and a comment somebody else made on August 27, such as getting rid of the definition of canonization in the lead and expanding it to include a better summary of his life. That was 10 days ago, although nothing has since been done. I trust you understand that DYK and GAN are two different things, and that you will work on what I have suggested and respond to my review at the good article review page shortly. Thank you. Display name 99 (talk) 20:58, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

@Display name 99: Yes, I do know that DYK and GAN are different concepts, and that acceptance in one is no argument of any kind whatsoever for acceptance in the other. I posted that link simply as background to avoid duplication.

I look forward to reading - and, I hope, to being able to address - your comments. Narky Blert (talk) 21:28, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

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Help

Can you help me in imlroving my articals please Draft:Chammak Chandra Iamheentity (talk) 17:55, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Disambiguator extraordinaire

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		The Disambiguator's Barnstar is awarded to Wikipedians who are prolific disambiguators. I lost count on the number of times you have solved my DAB links. Oldsanfelipe (talk) 12:22, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

@Oldsanfelipe: TY! All part of the service. I must be closing in on 100,000 fixes, and they can't all have been yours... Narky Blert (talk) 12:27, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Star 69/Weapon of Choice

What should we do with a page like Star 69/Weapon of Choice? Redirect from subtopic/list entry to Fatboy Slim discography#Singles? It's doing no harm, but I don't think it's a legitimate dab. Certes (talk) 23:42, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

@Certes: No full title matches, therefore not a legitimate DAB page. Also not a legitimate WP:SIA: the titles are not the same or similar.

It's just about a plausible search term; see the Discogs entry. (Rather messy: 6 'release' listings, no 'master' listing.) Therefore, it could be a useful option to show up as a type-ahead in the search box.

The two songs seem to have enough independent life to justify individual articles, having both been released as standalone singles. The two articles cross-refer to each other in their leads, making navigation easy. (Contrast Song for Shelter/Ya Mama, another double A-side, where the songs were not released separately.)

I like your suggestion: redirect as {{R to list entry}} to Fatboy Slim discography#Singles, which gives snapshot information about release date and chart performance, and the relevant bluelinks. No need for any other categorisation; both songs are already included in Category:Fatboy Slim songs.

Star 69 / Weapon of Choice would also need to be retargetted. Neither page has any meaningful incoming links, so that's a mercy. You could {{db-author}} your own Star 69/Weapon of Choice (disambiguation) redirect. Narky Blert (talk) 06:00, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice. All done. Certes (talk) 10:53, 22 September 2018 (U

@Certes: A couple of off-wiki weapons for your arsenal:

"Have you heard X's double A-side?" "Don't you mean double B-side?"

"Have you heard X's last single?" "I certainly hope so!" Narky Blert (talk) 22:18, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

Sanskrit (disambiguation)

Hi, I've nominated it for deletion: see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sanskrit (disambiguation). – Uanfala (talk) 13:16, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

@Uanfala: Thanks for the heads-up. I've voted, adding the suggestion which I made on the Talk Page. Now, over to the community. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 13:31, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

Esplanade

Re your comment, but I'm off topic for that page: I see that several links should lead to Esplanade, Kolkata. I should be able to fix them easily with JWB. Do you see any other specific problems with Esplanade? (DisamAssist would do the whole job but won't let me edit the surrounding text, and requires me to click "Skip" on ~500 valid links.) I've been doing such fixes on other pages and am happy to look at other outstanding examples if you know of any. Certes (talk) 12:44, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

@Certes: AFAIK, Esplanade, Kolkata is the sole problem. One of the issues is the tendency of Indian editors to make every possible link, so some articles may contain a couple of dozen. I've tended to do only "fix if found" corrections, i.e. I'd been pointed to an article with a DABlink. If you've got a tool which is quicker than manual find-and-replace, that would be great. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 12:52, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

 Done: mostly bus guides for various villages but a few links for Singapore and its concert hall. Please let me know if you find similar missed targets. Certes (talk) 17:23, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

In a similar vein, here are 88 things you never knew about Birmingham. Does this edit look correct? Someone has deliberately typed in "Alabama" but there's no mention of the U.S. state in sources (and it's a long drive from Halesowen). Certes (talk) 16:28, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

@Certes: More like a long swim from Halesowen. That has to be the English Birmingham for all sorts of reasons - not least that the article says they've gigged in England, the Netherlands and Germany, and doesn't mention USA; and that Forsaken Records is at 39 Grayshott Close, Erdington, Birmingham, West Midlands, B23 6JU. Narky Blert (talk) 16:37, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

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Please use the cleanup tag for fixing of date lists

Please use the cleanup tag instead of the copy edit tag when an article needs to have its date lists fixed. Thanks. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:52, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

@Jonesey95: Thanks, will do. Narky Blert (talk) 18:54, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Thanks! – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:01, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

@Jonesey95: There's potential PhD thesis material here for a WikiTaxonomist! Some evidence suggests that WikiGnomes may be beginning to speciate – but to support that hypothesis would require observation at least of their mating habits and of the fertility of their offspring.

Remarkably, no scientific study at all of these elusive creatures seems to have been conducted in several European countries. I find it difficult to believe that there have been no reports at all from Germany, and suspect a Conspiracy of some kind or another. Narky Blert (talk) 00:18, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

There is no way that WikiGnomes have mating habits! We're too picky, for one thing, and we almost never interact with other editors. – Jonesey95 (talk) 06:31, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

Italian power!!

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	For your help in fixing up both the Conrad Malaspina (the old) and the Malaspina Family pages <3 Spaicol (talk) 19:22, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

@Spaicol: Grazie! Narky Blert (talk) 19:58, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

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"Epic Split"

Hello NB, regarding the {{huh}} Special:Diff/862892808, would you be able to help suggest a better wording. The source citation is immediately after the sentence. —Sladen (talk) 18:53, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

@Sladen: How does it look now? That's a near quote of the source. I think that 'intrigued' and 'engaged' are common enough words not to need any links. (Links to difficult words which are off-topic for the article tend to break up the flow of the read – I try to avoid them unless it's inescapable, e.g. because the word is in a direct quote.) Narky Blert (talk) 19:17, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

Talk:Rise of Macedon --> Hellenic or Greek Kingdom

New WP:CONSENSUS Building process... "Greek" or "Hellenic" precedes "kingdom" in the first sentence based on sources — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dragao2004 (talk • contribs) 15:01, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Giovanni Fornasini

On 13 October 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Giovanni Fornasini, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Giovanni Fornasini, an Italian priest murdered by the Nazis in 1944, was posthumously awarded Italy's Gold Medal of Military Valour and is a candidate for sainthood? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Giovanni Fornasini. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Giovanni Fornasini), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Alex Shih (talk) 00:01, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

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Please educate me about that dab repair

Hi Narky,

The repair you just made to the "other persons" redirect note on the Lionel Wilson (voice actor) page brings us full circle to the way I originally set it up. After I added the note using the "other persons" template, User:nthep came along and noticed that clicking on the link takes the reader to the dab page through a redirect, so he or she adjusted the link to bypass the redirect. But the "other persons" template for that adjustment leaves wording that is not as user-friendly:For other people named Lionel Wilson, see Lionel Wilson, with no mention that it would lead to a disambiguation page. So I changed the wording so that it would be both user-friendly and bypass the redirect. Your repair makes the link once again go through the redirect.

I am happy with the result, but to avoid more runs around this circle, could you please explain the rationale? It seems like it might be better to have both user-friendly wording *and* bypass the redirect, but maybe there is a good reason to have the link go through the redirect. (Incidentally, I have reviewed WP:INTDABLINK, but if the rationale is there I missed it.)

JSaltzer (talk) 06:00, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

@JSaltzer: No worries, I've reverted long-time WP:ADMINs who've introduced errors by not knowing that guideline!

A bluelink should take a reader somewhere useful. That means that a link to a DAB page is usually a mistake. There are a couple of exceptions. Firstly, a see-also link, either in another DAB page or in a hatnote or in the see-also section of an article. Secondly, a link in main text which is intended to refer to all, or at least to a good part, of the entries on a DAB page. One example is a link from a pure given name or surname page to a 'mixed' DAB page which includes both similar names and also other things. Another, but rare, example is a link in main text which is intended to refer to all the entries on a DAB page. An example is Mebyon Kernow, where 'Thatcher government' refers to all three Thatcher ministries, and it would be clumsy to link to each individually.

The only way to tell whether a link to a DAB page is or is not correct is to eyeball it. No bot could tell. There are several of us editors who do just that (we tend to have remarkably high edit counts). Four years ago, there were 183,900 direct links to DAB pages; today, there are 5,800 (see WP:TDD, updated daily by User:DPL bot). (I've heard tales that the number was once in the millions!) There are currently 1,500 articles flagged as being in the too-difficult pile. New direct links to DAB pages are created at a rate of some 500-800 a day. This diff shows that one of my colleagues spotted and fixed a DABlink in Lionel Wilson. (We all do it, I've had the embarrassment of fixing errors reported by User:DPL bot in my own articles, and I should know better.)

The idea behind WP:INTDAB is that there needs to be a way to distinguish good links to DAB pages from bad ones. Bad links need to be corrected or turned red (or sometimes removed (e.g. redshirt actors) or the entry deleted (e.g. vanity posts in alumni lists)). It would be a waste of time to keep looking at the same good links over and over. The chosen method is to send good links through the (disambiguation) qualifier, which User:DPL bot treats as correct, and ignores. This also has the advantage that User:DPL bot doesn't send you a nastygram if you introduce a direct link to a DAB page.

Another way your hatnote could be set up is as a variant of the one you originally chose; namely, {{other people|Lionel Wilson|Lionel Wilson (disambiguation)}} or {{other people|Lionel Wilson|Lionel Wilson (disambiguation){{!}}Lionel Wilson}}.

Hope this helps. Yrs WikiGnomishly, Narky Blert (talk) 12:02, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

• Got it. Thanks. JSaltzer (talk) 15:41, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Having a bot like DPLbot for links to ship index pages

Reading the above section you seem to have knowledge and experience of dplbot. I am wondering if you can advise on the discussion at [9]. I would guess that it applies to other setindex pages too Lyndaship (talk) 12:26, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

@Lyndaship: I've replied in that discussion. And yes, it does apply to other SIAs: an example. (There's a merge discussion underway at Pechenga. See also parts of the interminable discussion at Wikipedia talk:Disambiguation#Bot-creation of INTDABLINK redirects.) Narky Blert (talk) 12:36, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious

Two years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:02, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: Had you noticed that I recently overtook you? (If you check my edit summaries, you'll see why.) Narky Blert (talk) 08:33, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

DYK that I haven't looked at edit count once? -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:13, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: WP:OR, that fact will never pass WP:DYK review . Narky Blert (talk) 10:40, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Yes, I know, as so many such as that Arvo Pärt lives in Berlin and Tallinn, - I just happen to know because I talked to him, but am not reliable ;) - If you find one, please add to the article, - there's a question on the talk. I am too busy to search, sorry. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:07, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: I've posted on the Talk Page, and added a citation.

Pärt has an extraordinary musical imagination. My Heart Is in the Highlands - I wonder if he was consciously imitating Now the Great Bear and Pleiades? Narky Blert (talk) 11:50, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Bad links to people's names in articles about genera and species

You asked for a ping with Bad links to people's names in articles about genera and species & I have just come across two on Phaius.— Rod ^talk 09:35, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

@Rodw:  Done I gave the page the once-over, and think I got the lot (including two malformed links, a misspelled surname, a link to a {{hndis}} page, two {{R from surname}}s which weren't marked as such, and a missing entry in List of botanists by author abbreviation, now {{ill}}-linked to Russian Wikipedia on both pages). I've also had the pleasure of getting a smiley from a page-watcher :-). Narky Blert (talk) 10:38, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

I did a semi-automated trawl of articles with explicit "List of species" sections. I was looking for bad links to species etc. but found a couple of botanist links on Tetraria which were easily fixed. Other links to the same surnams (Vahl and Turrill) also needed mending. I wonder if it's worth compiling a list of biologists whose abbreviations are their surname and either checking them manually or compiling a list of links to them from articles with a {{taxobox}} or similar. Meanwhile I'll look at "List of genera", which I expect to have more taxon link errors, as ambiguous names are much more common in genera than species. Certes (talk) 12:53, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

There is one at Stephanus (insect) which I don't understand.— Rod ^talk 13:29, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

@Rodw: Johan Christian Fabricius. Wikispecies came up with the goods: species:Fabricius. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 13:39, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

@Rodw: Genera should be OK - my stamping-ground is Disambiguation pages with links, and pages containing ambiguous genus names should turn up there. I cycle through it from the pages with 2 or 3 links to the end; 8th or 9th time through, and it now takes about a month (1st time took 6 months). No-one else seems to be working it, so there's little duplication of effort; I might see half-a-dozen links a day which have already been fixed.

List of botanists by author abbreviation is an excellent resource. Wikispecies can be good for missing names, like my Russian botanist - I just typed in the standard abbreviation, and out he fell.

The biggest problem is probably pure surname pages. (I will see disambig|surname pages, so you wouldn't need to look at those.) If you have the patience to do something with the lists of botanists based on abbreviation = surname, you might be able to a lot of good.

Zoologists don't have abbreviations, and are listed by speciality - entomologists, ichthyologists, malacologists, mammalogists, ornithologists, etc. They can be very difficult, especially the C19 ones (the more obscure of whom may have no article; I've written several, including ones who had genera named after them (!)) and require a lot of creative searching. Foreign language proficiency helps (I have been known to google in Cyrillic...).

Asking for help on the relevant WikiProject Talk Pages can sometimes yield good results in the more difficult cases. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 13:33, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks I will not be getting in your way on botanists, entomologists etc but I do work on dabs most days. For the past month I have not been getting many points in the monthly competition but have been doing new multiples on the Daily Disambig, Templates with dabs & then working on articles with the most dab links before (if I have time) tacking new entries on Dab pages with links. If I get through that lot I am currently on "M" on the list - but will be busy at work for the rest of the month.— Rod ^talk 13:41, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

I've checked botanists whose abbreviations are surnames beginning with A and fixed just four bad links. I skipped redlinks to Ardoino and Arènes which probably aren't worth changing. The bad targets are a mixture of surname pages and homographs such as the month of Ashwin. It looks as if links from plant articles are in good shape. About 50% of the links I check are false positives, with a few species genuinely being found in Agra and Amman rather than by Maria de Fátima Pimenta Agra and Johann Amman. Now that I have a system set up, I can carry on through the alphabet as a background task or just hand over the leads if you prefer. Certes (talk) 16:34, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

@Certes: Good news that there seem to be so few bad links – but, four was four too many, of course.

Call me in if you get stuck, and need help with something. I'm comfortable with multilingual searching.

Redlinks may a separate project, looking for and making {{ill}} links. The two you found are es:Honoré Jean Baptiste Ardoino and fr:Jean Arènes. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 16:48, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

If I carry on then a list of redlinks will appear as a byproduct, and I can hand that over to you or anyone else who's willing to help. B has far more articles to check (120 compared with just 9 for A) even after I ignore the unfortunately named Messrs. Bean, Beetle and Bush. One more redlink for now: Friedrich Gustav Brieger (1900–1985). I just diverted several links to point there rather than Brieger, which is a redirect to someone else. Certes (talk) 17:30, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

@Certes: Two clear cases of nominative determinism there. Narky Blert (talk) 17:33, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Indeed! What do you think I should do with links to botanist lacking articles? I just turned a link to Boivin red but perhaps I should have made it black as I don't intend to create an article on Louis Hyacinthe Boivin. Certes (talk) 18:44, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Anything has to be better than a bad link to a surname page. I like {{ill}} links, and use them a lot. You've already done the research to get a good article name, they point to useful information, Google Translate is pretty good in Western languages, and an editor might be motivated to attempt the translation.

Can you explain this guideline? Wikipedia:Disambiguation#Interlanguage links. As written, I think it's absurd. I assume that it must be referring to the pointless hidden cross-language links that you sometimes see at the foot of DAB pages, e.g. [[fr:FizBuz]], which ought to be InterWiki links anyway. I find interlanguage links from redlinked DAB entries extremely useful. Narky Blert (talk) 19:19, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Ironically, it's ambiguous. According to Help:Interlanguage links, that term covers both a link to the equivalent page in another language (e.g. Ella → es:Ella (desambiguación)) and a link to a some other article in another language (e.g. Ella → es:Ella (canción)). In my book, as the party who didn't write the contract, you can interpret it whichever way you like :-) Certes (talk) 01:10, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

@Certes: There is more than one bit of Wikipedia:Disambiguation which strikes me as extremely ill-written. Another example is WP:DABDIC. How on earth is yer everyday reader supposed to work out from the DAB page that Ginebra = Geneva? Narky Blert (talk) 01:32, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

I think that example is clear, as it says …while Geneva is Ginebra in Spanish and other languages…. The actual guideline seems reasonable too. We don't want, say, chat clogged up with links to French cats, which are one click away via the Wiktionary link. Certes (talk) 10:03, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

What should I be doing when there's no article on the biologist? There are at least two cases:

1. Existing red links such as Ardoino. I've been leaving these alone in the hope that anyone who writes Honoré Jean Baptiste Ardoino will create a redirect from the surname. However, Ardoino has other topics, so any page at that title should probably be a dab.
2. Existing bad links, such as Boivin which point to the wrong page but there is no correct article to point to. I've been turning these red but it might be more consistent to leave them black unless someone intends to create the article in the near future.

Either case might split into two depending whether we have an article in another language available. I don't think that putting an {{ill}} in the text is a good idea as these links are often already (literally or metaphorically) parenthetical, e.g. Orchis olbiensis Ardoino ex Moggr. 1864 in an infobox. Certes (talk) 10:03, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

@Certes: Redlinks are mostly harmless. If Wikispecies gives the full name but there's no Wikipedia article anywhere, I'd pipe the redlink using the full name. I keep coming across {{R from surname}} pages and turning them into surname or DAB pages. They've almost always collected a bad link or two. If you can't find enough for a proper article title, ping me and I'll see what I can do.

I'm against turning links to binomial authorities black. Pre-WWII, before the postgraduate factory was in full production, they're very likely notable and deserve articles. I've only ever found one who clearly wasn't. Reading between the lines, his friend, a notable malacologist, was staying at his house in Scotland, and had said "Go on, you write this one up". So, I just posted a note on the species Talk Page.

It's a lot easier to slot an article properly in place if the redlinks already exist. User:William Avery has done some sterling work changing blacklinks to binomial authorities blue - he found about 40 for Richard Brinsley Hinds. (One of history's what-ifs, forgotten for over a century until I spotted a bad link to Hinds. A Boys' Own story, with shocks in the last two paras of his biography.) Narky Blert (talk) 11:03, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

I see nothing wrong with piping a link to the other-language Wikipedia article. bd2412 T 11:15, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

@BD2412: I think such links increase the chance of getting an English translation. A reader looking for a name is most likely going to land on the DAB page rather than a list page; and I feel they're more likely to click through from there than from a descriptive article. If they find the target article useful, they might translate it.

(I draw the line at Japanese manga artists and voice actresses, both of whom I've {{ill}} linked in the last few minutes.) Narky Blert (talk) 11:46, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

We could do both - make inter-language links, but also make a list of missing names, with an indicator for which ones have such links. bd2412 T 22:37, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

On Leptospermum fastigiatum I've just come across a link to Stephen Moore & can't work that one out.— Rod ^talk 20:41, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

@Rodw: Not Stephen, but Spencer. Looks as if an editor may have guessed, and guessed badly. Narky Blert (talk) 21:47, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Estland

I don't know what to make of this (Estland). Maybe you'll know what to do. Thanks.
Vmavanti (talk) 18:44, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

@Vmavanti: LOL! it was me who put two DAB tags on. I'm hoping a page-watcher may have an idea; if not, I'll have another look next month. It may need some reading up, possibly in other languages. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 18:49, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Heh. OK. I would have to research it. I have no idea.
Vmavanti (talk) 18:51, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

William Broughton

one is needed, what to call it ?
I think, maybe, a new article can be written and inserted in the WB page with some hatnotes
William Grant directs to the (bishop), should that be the other way ?
two have middle initial pages that direct to the name
one of those has an (explorer) page that directs to his name page
Dave Rave (talk) 17:19, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

@Dave Rave: The bishop's article was originally at William Grant Broughton, and moved because of WP:COMMONNAME. IMO that guideline gives good guidance. There are also Bishop Broughton and Bishop William Broughton for convenience in searching.

Who in particular do you have in mind? Narky Blert (talk) 17:41, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

Should the (bishop) move to his name page ? He’s got one, the other two do too ?
there not another with a Grant middle name, so he might have been needed when he only had two names, but with three his disam isn’t anymore.
Where does the (magistrate) go, would look untidy but his is the actual name without a middle one so far that I’ve looked for. Dave Rave (talk) 00:55, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

@Dave Rave: G'day. I agree with the editor who moved William Grant Broughton to William Broughton (bishop). It's the most natural and most descriptive article title, and easy for readers to find. More people will know what he did in life than those who know his middle name.

I have my doubts as to whether William James Broughton (the Kiwi jockey) and William Robert Broughton (the RN officer) are at the best base names, but they'll do. The only thing that really matters is whether readers can find them easily.

I have no strong feelings about William Broughton (magistrate) as an article title, although without doing much research I like it. WIlliam Broughton (public servant) and William Broughton (Australian settler) are possible alternatives, but strike me as less specific. His only two current mentions in Wikipedia (Cataract Dam and Windmill Hill, Appin) suggest that he was known simply as William Broughton, and that he was best known for being a magistrate. Redirects are cheap, and there's no reason why plausible redirects to the base name shouldn't exist. In fact, they can be helpful to readers.

He seems to have been a significant figure in early NSW, and as such deserving of an article. He's in the Australian Dictionary of Biography (his entry, in appallingly flowery language), and that's a guaranteed pass for WP:NBIO: "The person has an entry in the Dictionary of National Biography or similar publication". He also seems to have been one of the good guys, so all the more reason for remembering him.

If you're thinking of writing him up, have a look also into the National Library of Australia website. It's a superb resource for Australian topics; in particular for, but not limited to, old newspapers.

Do a good job on him, and I think you will have a candidate article for WP:DYK. "Did you know that William Broughton, civil servant in the early days of NSW, had a reputation for honesty and for telling his superiors where they could stick it?" might perhaps not be ideal wording for the hook, but that's what made him special. Yrs pommishly, Narky Blert (talk) 03:32, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

I don't quite see that the options you are listing are the policy of how it should be, but the option of what it could be if it was needed for disam. THe bit on WP:BISHOP doesn't say it should be named, it says if it is needed for disam.

the bishop was said to be moved for common name but he doesn't have a common name, he has a middle name and the redirect isn't needed, nor is the (bishop) needed as there is no redirect

Looking at David Starr (disambiguation) I see the primary name, (our WB), should be the article, and the (disam) page should be used for what is on the WB page now.

not lecturing you, saying what I see, to get a response. Dave Rave (talk) 13:54, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

can I proceed noting your (lack of attention|care|desire to further contribute|understanding) or wait a bit more ? Dave Rave (talk) 20:40, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

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Thank you for repairing the DAB page link! Casey.ha (talk) 18:13, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Spread the goodness of puppies by adding {{subst:Puppy}} to someone's talk page with a friendly message.

Why thank you! Us WikiGnomes like to be appreciated. Narky Blert (talk) 18:18, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

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Frage zum Artikel zur Sankt-Ansgar-Schule

Hallo Narky Blert, vielen Dank für Deine Hilfe bei meinem Artikel zu Alexander-Martin Sardina. Ich habe einen anderen Artikel angelegt, nämlich zur SAS. Ich kann zwar Englisch, aber ich verstehe nicht, was das Problem ist, das im template oben genannt wird: Was ist falsch mit den Quellen? Kannst Du es erklären oder korrigieren? Vielen Dank und beste Grüße, --Zeitungsente0815 (talk) 14:05, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

@Zeitungsente0815: Ich habe mir die Seite Sankt-Ansgar-Schule angesehen, und einige kleine Änderungen vorgenommen. (1) Ich habe die Schablone für weitere Zitate entfernt - es gibt viele davon unter "Literature". (2) In dewiki, scheint es akzeptabel zu sein, alle Zitate in einen Weblinks-Sektion aufzunehmen. In enwiki, wir möchten Zitate im Haupttext sehen, um die angegebenen Tatsachen zu stützen. Das ist aber kein wigtiges Problem. Ich habe manchmal diese Schablone zu meinen eigenen Artikeln hinzugefügt! (3) Hast du aus dem deutschen Artikel übersetzt? Wenn ja, sollst du Template:Translated page am "Talk Page" des englischen Artikels hinzufügen.

Sankt-Ansgar-Schule reads well. I have translated from several languages into English (including boarisch, pfälzisch and plattdeutsch!), but I wouldn't be confident in translating from English into another language.

Wenn du weitere Fragen hast, bitte fragst du mich. Grüße, Narky Blert (talk) 14:43, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi Narky Blert, Thank you for your help. Do I get you right that the English WP wants me to repeat the book source after each sentence plus giving the exact page? Could you show me an example which I could imitate? The school published for almost all important anniversaries a Festschrift, a commemorative publication. They are all available at the University of Hamburg library, I had them all physically on my desk. They tell all the details. Among them highly interesting interviews with contemporary witnesses like the High Commander of the British occupation zone in Hamburg, telling that he as a good Anglican was not a fan of the Catholic church but was glad to see that masses of former Hitler Youth boys, strolling through the debris of the city, at last got education, discipline, and guidance through the newly founded school. The Bericht Sankt-Ansgar-Schule. Hamburg, 1955 is unpaginated though. I'm not sure how to use the literature correctly here as a source. - No, it's not a translation, I tried to set up a new article by myself although I got inspired by the German article, of course. The SAS is a special school since it's the only (former) Jesuit school in Northern Germany, and one out of 4 (now 5) major Jesuit secondary schools in Germany (see the 3 links under "see also"). Their alumnis usually have all opportunities for their careers. That's what that school makes special and I don't understand why it was labelled of minor interest, but well ... Thanks for your help again and viele Grüße, --Zeitungsente0815 (talk) 12:41, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

@Zeitungsente0815: You'll need two templates: Template:Cite book and Template:Rp. Here is an article which contains examples of their use: Saint Dominic in Soriano.

You don't need to put inline citations everywhere, just after important statements of fact. Schloss Zweibrücken is another of my articles. The only citations are in the opening paragraph, and that is enough. That method says, that the citations support everything which follows, even if one fact is only in one citation and another fact only in another.

Here's a typical guide to the 'importance' scale in English Wikipedia: Wikipedia:WikiProject Germany/Assessment#Importance scale. Most articles are classified as 'low'. The more significant field is 'class', which relates to the quality of the article: Wikipedia:WikiProject Germany/Assessment#Criteria. The basic target is 'start class'; it's difficult to get higher than that.

That story of the British general adds human interest. I would certainly add it to the article (with an inline citation).

If you know of any SAS alumni who have articles only in German Wikipedia, you can add them using Template:Ill (there is no equivalent in German Wikipedia). There are examples of its use in the Saint Dominic article.

Grüße, Narky Blert (talk) 13:55, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

Thank you so much für your help! I bookmarked this section and will come back to it a little later. Dankeschön & Grüße, --Zeitungsente0815 (talk) 12:25, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

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A beer for you!

Thanks for fixing my DAB link on Mike Mullane! Balon Greyjoy (talk) 04:59, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

Cheers! Narky Blert (talk) 09:03, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

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E. Barton Worthington

I found answers to a few of your questions on the talk page for this article. We still don't have where he was born. I think that William Barton Worthington was his uncle, as I found references to WBW having a brother called Edgar who was also an engineer. I can't find an obituary on line which is strange as he was very notable. Quetzal1964 (talk) 08:36, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

@Quetzal1964: Good work! not least for finding another taxon named in his honour. Now that we know where he was educated, I've added him to the two relevant categories and lists. You never know, an editor following one or other of those lists might have a copy of the relevant school or college magazine with an obit, and be able to add another detail or two. Narky Blert (talk) 09:03, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Dab page link

Hi Narky, Thanks for your contributions. I am here to discuss an edit under my watchlist. as mentioned at Kashmir_(disambiguation)#Kashmir_region there was no special article for Pakistan administered Kashmir. But I have now created it at Pakistan administered Kashmir. Can you please self revert the Dab templates the one I mentioned above and elsewhere as they are no longer applicable, Thanks. --DBigXrayᗙ 12:47, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

@DBigXray: Excellent work. That WP:BCA looks exactly what was needed. There were today five articles which linked to the DAB page. Two related specifically to Azad Kashmir, so I edited those accordingly. I have taken the {{dn}} tags off the other three, because you have solved the problem. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 12:59, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for the appreciation and edits. cheers --DBigXrayᗙ 13:01, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

@DBigXray: I have just retargetted Pakistan-administered Kashmir and Pakistan Administered Kashmir, both of which redirected to Azad Kashmir, to your article. I think that takes care of all the spelling variants. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 13:05, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Cool, appreciate the follow up and the hint about the redirects, I took care of the rest. High five. --DBigXrayᗙ 14:48, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

1865 Portuguese legislative election

Hello Narky Blert. Just wondering about your edit to this page, as the infobox now has different party names to the results table. According to the source used in the article, the Progressive Electoral Commission (the election winner) was a coalition of the Regenerator Party and the Historical Party. Were you basing your edit on another source? Cheers, Number 57 17:17, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

@Number 57: I based that edit on the biographies of the party leaders in English and Portuguese Wikipedias.

If the correct name is Progressive Electoral Commission, go ahead and add it – when I found the page, it was linking to the DAB page Progressive, which is a complete dead-end even after looking into the 'Political parties' section. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 17:25, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

Botanists

You said you like botany challenges.. On Cyrtanthus ventricosus infobox it says Monella pallida|(Sims) [[Herb. (awtor)|Herb.]] ex [[Carl Sigismund Kunth|Kunth]]. I presume this should link to John Sims (taxonomist) but I can't work out the syntax of the complex link - can you help?— Rod ^talk 15:54, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

@Rodw: Correct, John Sims (taxonomist). I also repaired the two redlinks. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 16:28, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

How about Murayama on Platypus quercivorus?— Rod ^talk 18:09, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

@Rodw:  Done That was moderately tricky, two other entomologists with the same surname in Wikispecies. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 18:20, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

On Goggausee is a dab link to Arbor but it gives the latin name Alburnus alburnus which redirects to Common bleak. Do you think the link should point there and should this be added to the Arbor dab page?— Rod ^talk 14:55, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

@Rodw: Someone got a bit too literal with Google Translate. A German common name for the fish is Laube, which can also mean 'arbor' in English. The usual English common name is 'bleak' (a new one on me, I don't know that fish).

I checked the other common names against the species names, and improved several links. I also italicised the scientific names (failure to do so is a warning sign for me, it shows that editor isn't a zoologist). Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 15:16, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

Happy Xmas to you to. On Felicia cymbalariae there is a link to Bolus for authority, presume this is Harry Bolus but not sure.— Rod ^talk 11:29, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

@Rodw: I'm sure you're right. Harry is mentioned in the main body; his standard abbreviation is Bolus; I assume that an editor who writes Ait. would know enough to distinguish between Harry and Louisa (L.Bolus).

The Taxonomy section of that article is a classic example of how it's often easier to tell the botanists apart than the plants. Narky Blert (talk) 11:45, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Another one which has me confused is Shan Li / Li Shan on Chindongo.— Rod ^talk 19:38, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

@Rodw: No article in any WP, so I redlinked him as Shan Li (ichthyologist). He's species:Shan Li. Western name order, surname Li. Narky Blert (talk) 20:13, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

What about Keng on Platostoma hispidum?— Rod ^talk 20:34, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

@Rodw: Yi Li Keng.

I also corrected the links to the surname pages Druce and Kunze, repaired the redlink to B.Heyne, and expanded Sivad. to Mayandy Sivadasan (no article in any WP, so far as I can see), while I was about it. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 21:00, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. There is also a link to Grau on Felicia nordenstamii which is confusing.— Rod ^talk 11:26, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

@Rodw: de:Jürke Grau. Narky Blert (talk) 11:34, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. and (C. Pfeiffer, 1828) on Caucasotachea vindobonensis.— Rod ^talk 14:54, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

@Rodw: de:Carl Jonas Pfeiffer. Narky Blert (talk) 15:00, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm now looking at William Bull on Blandfordia cunninghamii.— Rod ^talk 20:45, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

@Rodw: de:William Bull (Botaniker). Narky Blert (talk) 20:57, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

Thanks - the next one I've found is Sangil on Colaconema - seems to be specific to Colaconema hallandicum.— Rod ^talk 11:59, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

@Rodw: He's species:Carlos Sangil. Probably NN from the recent date. Possibly a grad student. The lead author has a distinctly thin article in Portuguese WP - pt:Julio Afonso-Carrillo. Narky Blert (talk) 12:24, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

Do you fancy taking a look at Berthella plumula which has George Montagu, Blainville & Leach?— Rod ^talk 16:05, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

@Rodw:  Done I also got Philippi (pointed to the ancient Greek city) and Risso (pointed to a DAB page miscategorised as a surname page). Leach was a posthumous publication, which was a bit tricky. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 16:25, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Diligence
	Your edit fixed an issue that had given me much headache for a long time at Lazër Shantoja. Thank you so much! 1l2l3k (talk) 01:57, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

@1l2l3k: I managed to satisfy myself that La Motte, Vaud exists, but unfortunately could find out almost nothing about the place. There doesn't seem to be an article in any Wikipedia. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 03:45, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

I know, I went through the same searches, and was surprized that we are still missing Europe settlements in wiki, but at least you confirmed that I'm not going crazy! --1l2l3k (talk) 03:49, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

@1l2l3k: Another missing settlement, which has been bugging me for a year and a half - Stari Trg, see Lutfi Lepaja. I've failed to find anything in any of the Balkan WPs. Narky Blert (talk) 04:01, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

From the Serbian wiki it seems like there are two, each with 23 or 24 people, which I find odd see here. I guess the mine is empty? Anyways I wouldn't bother much. Lots of mistakes in wiki. According to the Albanian wiki he was born in Bajcina, and that too is a settlement that is missing. I guess most of settlements are missing in enwiki. It seems like municipalities, which include several settlements are there, but not all the single villages are. I completed the settlements in the Albanian wikipedia last year, and I'd wager, that, out of 3000 of them, probably 400-500 are in enwiki. --1l2l3k (talk) 13:17, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

@1l2l3k: I'd ruled out sr:Стари Трг (село) - far too small to support a school. The mining settlement sr:Стари Трг (рударско насеље) might once have been large enough for at least an elementary school; but the history breaks off in 1932, and there's no indication as to what was happening there in the early 1950s when Lepaja would have been at school. The mine may have been worked out. In any event, it seems unlikely that the British company Standard Trust Ltd had any interest in the mine after 1941.

There's also the problem with placenames like 'Stari Trg', 'Novo Mesto', and so on, that they may be local names rather than official names. Very frustrating!

Good work on Albanian WP! In my opinion, every language should be the primary resource for topics associated with that language and culture.

I've added an {{ill}} link to sq:Bajçina (with the correct spelling, English-speakers can be terrible with diacritical marks) in Lepaja's article. Narky Blert (talk) 14:00, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

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Herman B Wells

I have noticed that you have recently moved the article Herman B Wells on 18:56, 11 December 2018‎. Are you aware that "B" in his name is his FULL MIDDLE NAME (without a period), and is not an initial? For more information about this unusual name, please see the several biographies that are mentioned in this article and also his 2000 New York Times obituary: https://www.nytimes.com/2000/03/21/us/herman-b-wells-97-president-of-indiana-u-in-a-crucial-era.html

According to comments left on the Talk:Herman B Wells, this same error has been made by other editors in the past, so you are not the only person to make this mistake.

Can you think of a way to make this unconventional name problem more noticeable to other editors on the appropriate talk pages to prevent this type of problem from occurring in the future? Thanks. -- 50.195.200.161 (talk) 02:46, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

Unusual case! I've undone the move. I've left Herman B. Wells behind as a redirect marked {{R from misspelling}}, with a note explaining why it's a misspelling. That should catch the attention of any other well-meaning page movers, who would need WP:PAGEMOVER privileges. That should slow them down. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 05:04, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for implementing the move protection since that was something that I forgot that it is possible to do slow well intentioned move. A person has to blame the subject's English-speaking American parents for giving their offspring his "non-standard" birth name. I wonder how many other persons who may have "non-standard" names that could cause problems with editors on the English language Wikipedia. Would it be a bad idea to start a list or category that would track these possible problems and would simultaneously give others an interesting read?

On example that I could think of is the birth name of the American chemistry professor M.G. Finn, a possible candidate for the Nobel Prize in Chemistry for at least a decade for his work on the development of Click chemistry. What is unusually about his name is that "M.G. Finn" is his full birth name that was given to him by his American-born English speaking parents. Although he currently does not have an article (yet) on the English language Wikipedia, he does, have one at the German language site at de:M.G. Finn. -- 50.195.200.161 (talk) 02:52, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

Finn looks like an extreme example of the US custom of giving kids an initial with no expansion. Wells is rather different, in that his middle name (not initial!) was 'B'.

This sort of thing will rarely cause a problem. I don't think it needs tracking.

A similar example is the Thai honorific prefix 'U', as in e.g. U Thant. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 03:58, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

I agree with you that tracking would not be necessary. Performing a quick check via Google, the use of a period or no period for a person with a single letter name appears depended on the person with the name. Several writing style books written for use by book/newspaper editors appear to be split about using a period when writing about president Harry S. Truman since Truman appeared to have said that a period should not follow the "S" when referring to him even though he had inconsistently used both forms when writing his own name through his long life. However all of the editors agree that the use use of period mean that it is just an abbreviation of the single letter. There is one more "famous" American that has a single letter as a middle name, but I just can recall that name at the moment beyond the fact that the person was born during the late 19th century like Wells and Truman.

I saw this at a Butler University website. Did not know that country singer Johnny Cash had a similar situation to Finn since he was born J.R. Cash. -- 50.195.200.161 (talk) 03:13, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

Regarding the necessity of disambiguation

I'm curious as to the purpose of this edit. The link in question, to campfire songs, is purposefully to the broad concept of campfire songs. That the page in question is currently a disambiguation page with {{dabprimary}} is an issue requiring attention on that page, not one which can be addressed by a modification to the page Baby Shark as would be assumed by the presence of {{dn}} on that page.

Please let us keep communication here on your talk page unless you wish to escalate it to an appropriate public forum, as this IP is shared. Thank you for your time. 209.249.49.190 (talk) 22:17, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

Direct links to DAB pages are always errors, per WP:INTDABLINK. They are picked up by User:DPL bot, and need to be flagged and dealt with, one way or another.

There are two ways around an error such as this one. (1) Link through the redirect with the (disambiguation) qualifier. This is a good idea only if it can be guaranteed that every entry on the DAB page will be relevant to someone who clicks on the link. Believe me, I've seen some shockers where that technique has been abused. (2) Write the {{dabconcept}} article. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 22:31, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

I got a start on a dabconcept, but I think the material would be better off merged into Campfire#Activities, with a section redirect and a hatnote there. bd2412 T 23:31, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

@BD2412: That sounds like a good idea. If such a section and redirect gets too large or off-topic, then is the time to split it out. (FWIW, from this side of The Pond, I associate campfire songs only with Scouting – although I'd be willing to bet that they're also associated with other youth organisations, such as the Duke of Edinburgh's Award, the Young Pioneers, and the Hitlerjugend.) Narky Blert (talk) 23:46, 31 December 2018 (UTC)