Wikipedia:Village pump (assistance)

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SVG images -- what's the point?

What's the point of uploading SVG images? From what I can tell, they just get converted into PNGs anyway. -SharkD 14:07, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

SVG images are vector graphics, so they can be re-sized easily without pixelation. Unfortunately, Internet Explorer doesn't support SVG images, so the images are re-sized (without pixelation) server-side then converted to PNG format which is sent to the browser to display.

Users of other browsers see the plain SVG image, and the browser displays it and re-sizes it to the required size.

Another reason why SVGs are liked so much on Wikipedia is because, if you open one in Notepad, you see that it is made up of XML, which is an open file format. Tra (Talk) 16:25, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, everybody gets the thumbnails as PNGs. There's no special treatment for browsers that support SVG. —da Pete (ばか) 18:43, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There likely will be in the future, though. — Omegatron 18:44, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

SVG is also easier to edit because it includes not only the image, but also the source information used to generate the image. For instance, an SVG map with English place names can be easily translated to French; a translator can just open the file and replace the text. If the file were in PNG or JPG, the translator would have to remove the English text, insert French text, and then clean up the mess made (by spots where the text overlapped the map.) Twinxor t 19:14, 30 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Also, you're assuming people only ever use the thumbnails. In fact people often look or want the whole image. You might as well ask, why have images larger then the thumbnails? Nil Einne 13:42, 6 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What shall I edit..

Not necessarily looking for the answer from you guys but where should I go to find out what article to edit based on my background and available books? See my user page for all the info you need JayMars 23:40, 3 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, what are the books about? Start with the articles about those topics. Use the links you find in those articles to find other articles. Articles also have category links at the bottom, where you can find articles related to the ones you’re looking at. (If you encounter articles that don’t have categories, then that’s something else you can fix.) You can browse the list at Category:Articles lacking sources to see whether any of your books are relevant to those articles. You could also try User:SuggestBot. Leave a request, and it will suggest articles to edit based on what you’ve edited before. --Rob Kennedy 01:40, 4 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

JayMars: You don't appear to have a user page. All I see is a red link. — RJH (talk) 18:39, 10 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Help with article in another language

In de:Steven Bradbury, does the article claim Alisa Camplin is a snowboarder? (She competed in aerial freestyle skiing, not snowboarding). If so, can someone either correct the article or add a "citation needed" tag?

Also, is there a better place to discuss requests like this? (I had previously noted the problem in the German article talk page, but with no response) Babel doesn't seem to have anything that'd be suitable for such a request. Thanks, Andjam 06:38, 4 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I fixed the German article. A better place for the request might be Wikipedia talk:German-English translation requests, but I've never used that page. -- Jitse Niesen (talk) 11:01, 11 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Mass deletion of crime related articles and images

Hello,

While I'm not sure if this is the appropriate area to discuss the matter, over the past few hours over half of the articles and images of which I have contributed to Wikipedia over the past two years have been deleted. While I would assume there was justification for this, I received neither any notification that there were problems with any article I have created or image uploaded these articles or that they would be deleted. I am guessing this may be in reference to articles for which I used crime author Jay Robert Nash as a source, since being informed of the conflict between he and Wikipedia several months ago I have used him only as a secondary resource and taking care to provide additional resources if external links when available. In addition, it appears that any contribution in which Nash appears as a reference, regardless of the extent of its use or other additional sources and citations, has been deleted.

For example, the information regarding the juvenile Market Street Gang, specifically the claim that members of the satellite gang the Little Hellions were later members of recently deleted North Side Gang (a claim generally acknowledged by crime authors and further supported by external links provided), I cited Jay Robert Nash's Encyclopedia of World Crime series as at least one of the sources of this information. However, as far as I am aware, this longtime article was on Wikipedia before I even began editing and had a number of reliable sources and references. Another example are the deletions of two missing topic lists which I have complied over the past year.

As of this writing, I have still not been notified as to what exactly has happened, however I would rather hope that my contributions over the past two and half years have been a complete waste. Thank you for your time. MadMax 12:41, 4 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like North Side Gang was deleted due to "sourcing problems." Use the deletion log to view delete summaries. If you disagree with the deletions, you'll want to read Wikipedia:Undeletion policy. Keep in mind that admins don't notify all editors of given pages for reasonings behind deletion. It's an editor's responsibility to follow up with a page and keep up with AfD. Are you adding pages you work on to your watchlist? If so, you'll see when they come up for deletion and you can put your comments in. --Wolf530 (talk) 02:18, 5 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

While I certainly understand Wikipedia's policy concerning this issue, none of these articles were nominated for deletion with at least 100 contributions deleted by a User:Cyde within a span of several hours. All have the same statement Sourcing problems; please rebuild from a larger variety of different sources or simply copyvio. If there were a concern of either of these issues and, again had I been notified or at the very least given a deadline, I would have readily listed additional references although in many cases these articles had at least more then one reliable reference (many of which are used in crime related articles throughout Wikipedia). MadMax 10:46, 5 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Market Street Gang points to North Side Gang which is deleted. If North Side Gang is not undeleted or re-made, please either ask for MSG to be deleted or make it into an article Nil Einne 14:13, 5 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I created the Market Street Gang as a redirect to the now deleted North Side gang which, as I have stated previously, was largely an off shoot of the Market Street Gang. I felt such an article would likely remain a stub so I incorporated it into the article. However, the issue of the North Side Gang's deletion was only an example of an issue which I repectfully feel has not been addressed. If I should be bringing this matter up to another section of Wikipedia more suited to resolving this issue, I would appreciate any assistance. MadMax 14:49, 5 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Again, Wikipedia:Undeletion policy. --Wolf530 (talk) 16:08, 5 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop trigger-happy Editors

Several things happen at once: - I changed V for Vendetta while someone vandalized it. - Someone rvv, killing my changes. - I reverted to revert the vandalisms one-by-one. - Trigger-happy editors wouldn't let me.

- Now a bunch of them is putting duplicate discussions on my /Talk.

I would a appreciate if anyone would talk to them to calm them down. The changes on V for Vendetta are done, and all they do is blowing of steam on my /Talk.

Thanks in advance. --217.235.243.238

Although these editors were a bit overzealous, they couldn't read your mind and their intentions were good. To avoid this in the future, make your changes in one edit instead of two: go back to the old version, edit it, remove the vandalism, and save. If you get an edit conflict, well, merge. Quickly. Featured articles move quickly. Deco 03:45, 10 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Scanned photographs of copyrighted text

Photographs of several pages of copyrighted text have been uploaded. They are used in the article Scientology_as_a_business#See also. [1], [2], and [3] which are printable, readable reproductions and are pointed to by [4], [5], and [6] respectively from the article. Is this kind of reference within Fair Use Policy? Terryeo 22:25, 5 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Price lists, catalogs, and menus generally aren't considered violations of Fair Use, to my knowledge. These are public documents that are, by their very nature, intended to be freely disseminated. wikipediatrix 00:21, 6 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

TY for a response. The link which appears [2] was deleted, it was similar in quality and content. Is there a specific Wikipedia policy or guideline which mentions printable, text scans ? I was under the impression it would fall under "What Wikipedia is not". Terryeo 02:05, 6 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Terryeo has recently made the false claim that a pricelist is magazine. Like Hubbard says, "A=A=A". Wikipedia_talk:Fair_use#scans_of_text_documents--Fahrenheit451 07:27, 6 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

As I've said on Wikipedia talk:Fair use#scans of text documents, the fact of the matter is that the copyright that is held with this material is about the text, and it does not matter that the digital file is an image. I invite further discussion to Wikipedia talk:Fair use#scans of text documents. -- Ned Scott 08:51, 6 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What do you call a Pathological liar?

me and my mates cannot remember the single word technical term for compulsive liar, can anyone possibly help us!

Did that answer your question? --Doc Tropics ^{Message in a bottle} 04:25, 6 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Probably not, as the question was for a single word. "Prevaricator" and "confabulator" come to mind. Zetawoof^(ζ) 05:10, 6 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You'd probably get a better response from the reference desk Nil Einne 13:39, 6 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Help needed

Can I get some help removing a repeated paragraph by an anon user that is being inserted in Afro-Cuban, Afro-Latin American and Afro-Brazilian. The piece is hopelessly non-encyclopedic, pure original research and potentially offensive - you know the sort of thing. My 3rr and patience is reaching it's limit.--Zleitzen 10:24, 7 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Promoting a citation tool - Wikicite

Some time ago I wrote a tool that helps people to properly reference their Wikipedia articles. I called it Wikicite and put a brief paragraph about it in the Templates section of WP:CITE. It seems a number of people find it useful and I have had some very positive feedback. Recently some of the feedback highlights that, while the program is useful, it is very hard to find. I really don't want to get accused of spamming by plastering references to the tool everywhere, but right now its a light hidden under a bushel. Those who use it think its great and tell me so. Most people don't know it exists and struggle to reference their work by hand. Any suggestions on how to promote the Wikicite tool more widely would be gratefully accepted. Right now I have a link to the executable and the source code on my user page. --Dave 10:45, 7 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Recycled Usernames

Hi, Do usernames get recycled, somehow? I see there are several usernames that are registered but never used. One of them, unfortunately, is Mysha, the username I use on nl: and fy:. Is there a way such usernames become available again? Mysha (nl)

Not at the moment. WP:DUU90 was a proposal to recycle never-used usernames that gained consensus, but the developers decided not to implement it. As you use this name elsewhere, you may want to go to the Bureaucrat's Noticeboard and ask them what their opinion would be about giving you the name ('crats have the ability to give people unused names, it just hardly ever happens). --ais523 13:48, 7 November 2006 (U T C)

Thank you, I'll try that. Mysha (nl)

Isn't there a plan in place to create a universal log-in system where your same username and password work for all Wikimedia stuff? Whenever that happens what'll they do about never-used usernames like that? ~ ONUnicorn (Talk / Contribs) 15:20, 10 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Marketing team of Cedars-Sinai Medical Center

To whom it may concern:

My name is Diana Seif and I am currently working with the Marketing team of Cedars-Sinai Medical Center. Wikipedia is known for its abundance of information. Because of this, we thought perhaps you'd be interested in linking to our Degenerative Disc Disease page as an outside resource. Our web address is http://www.csmc.edu/5757.html and features highlights symptoms, cause and risk factors, diagnosis, and treatment of this condition; all of which would correlate nicely with the content on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degenerative_disc_disease. We greatly appreciate your consideration. Please contact me should you decide to link to us. Thank you.

Best Regards,

Diana Seif

Reputable source, under-referenced page: link has been added. Here's hoping you check back. Durov a^Charge! 16:37, 8 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Why is Category:Black sitcoms exclusively for US shows?

The description states This category consists of Black sitcoms, i.e. American sitcoms that feature African Americans in the lead role or much of the cast.

Why aren't British black sitcoms allowed, for example? I'm not bothered, just curious why the distinction is made. 172.159.231.132 01:53, 8 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Probably unintentional bias on the part of the category creator. Feel free to counter it by changing the category description and adding articles as appropriate. Or as an alternative, create a category hierarchy by country of production. That would make things easier to navigate because every Nigerian sitcom would probably qualify if this remained an umbrella heading.Durov a^Charge! 16:28, 8 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Nicolelinkletter2.jpg.jpg

User:Hotwiki has uploaded this image whose details are just blatantly false.... this is obviously not a screenshot, and if it came from upn.com, there's no way that UPN has "irrevocably released all rights to it". I'm already having a problem with this user adding false sources that don't contain the info supposed to be sourced, such as on Lisa D'Amato, so I wish someone else would weigh in here. wikipediatrix 15:47, 8 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Selig Percy Amoils

Would anyone be willing to offer a second (or third) opinion in Talk:Selig Percy Amoils as to whether or not information collected via personal e-mail with the article's subject violates WP:V or should be allowed in Selig Percy Amoils? Thanks! -AED 21:10, 8 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Not a reliable source not only because it's unverifiable but because it comes from the original source and not from an impartial second source. Fails WP:RS doubly. User:Zoe|(talk) 03:38, 11 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Problem with person deleting same text daily

What can be done about an anonymous Wikipedia user who keeps deleting the same section of an entry day after day and replacing it with text that contains original research with no cited sources?

I have started a discussion on the page the person keeps posting the article to and have encouraged the person to join in on the discussion, but he/she has not replied after an entire week of this. I have also left several messages on the person’s user talk page which have been ignored. See user talk

By consensus opinion with other Wikipedia editors working with me on this entry, I have reverted this article daily for the past three or four days running.

I have attempted to have the page placed in "semi-protection" status twice, but have had my requests denied because the person felt that what was taking place is an "editing war" and not vandalism. While that assessment may be correct, I am at a loss here as to how else one could describe what the person is doing. And what would be the remedy for resolving an "editing war" when the person in question refuses to communicate?

Any suggestions? I’m new at editing here and have not had any luck finding anything that addresses this situation anyplace else.

The Wikipedia entry in question is: Zodiac Killer

Thanks. Labyrinth13 22:36, 8 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You could try the dispute resolution resources; if the user is continuing this every day and refusing to communicate, WP:AN/I may be a good place to ask for admin help. --ais523 09:33, 9 November 2006 (U T C)

I've semi-protected the page. Durov a^Charge! 19:38, 9 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Lyrics

Im just wondering but would Lryics be considered useful in music wiki pages? Jamesbuc

Most of the lyrics you probably want to add would constitute copyright violation. Durov a^Charge! 17:59, 9 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldnt think it would be copyright violation. Playing the music, yes. Just showing lyrics, not really. Jamesbuc

I studied writing in graduate school where we were required to take a course on the subject of writing-related laws. Both the music and the lyrics of a song are intellectual property. Publishing a song's complete lyrics without the owner's permission is as much a violation of the law as publishing a complete poem without permission. Of course, if your particular interest is popular music of the nineteenth century, then you may reproduce those lyrics because they are public domain. Durov a^Charge! 18:19, 9 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Two caveats:

Quoting brief (say, 1-3 lines) lyrics for discussion or analysis falls easily within the realm of fair use, and so is allowed.
Regardless of license, do not include long lyrics (no more than a page or so). Longer works belong on Wikisource.

Deco 03:42, 10 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion *of* the lyrics, with quotes to demonstrate the points made or controversies or whatever, so long as WP:V and WP:NOR are followed, would not be problematic. That would be considered fair use. However, lyrics themselves are copyrighted. As someone who very nearly went into the music business myself about a decade ago, I was sent out all the brochures from AMCOS and Control who handle the copyright on lyrics. As a totally random example, the song "Flying Without Wings" by Westlife notes "Rondor Music (Australia) P/L, Universal Music Publishing Pty Limited." Note that Westlife are a BMG, not a Universal artist. Hope this helps. Orderinchaos78 ^(t|c) 11:17, 11 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

spelling problem

Hi, I'm trying to translate articles from french to english. I'm sure I'm making spelling and style mistakes. Is there a category to put into the article in order to make sure some people will have a look at it and correct the mistakes? Thanks. Ajor 16:56, 9 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You could put {{copyedit}} on top. It expands to the message below and adds the article to a category of articles needing copyediting. ~ ONUnicorn (Talk / Contribs) 15:16, 10 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

right click wiki lookup

I'm using firefox 2.0. Before the upgrade I use to be able to right-click a highlighted word and get a wiki lookup on it. That ability is gone I want it back. Help Kungtwo 21:06, 9 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds like some sort of extension that you lost when you updated. Perhaps this (https) or something similar. Dylan Lake (t·c·ε) 00:30, 10 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Finding "outbreak"

I'm not sure what exactly happened, but on the disambiguation page for 'outbreak' both 'viral outbreak' and 'outbreak' (an obscure mountain biking video apparently) both link to the same page, apparently there is no page for a viral outbreak linked. Does anyone know how I'd go about fixing this or just finding the original article on 'viral outbreak'(if there indeed was one)? Also: I'm sorry if I posted incorrectly or to the wrong place, I'm a total wiki novice, but I'd like to help and this didn't seem like a reference desk issue as it dealt with both policy (on the obscure and short biking informational film tub I may well request deletion on grounds of it being non-notable and unsourced) and technical matters as well as help finding information on a viral outbreak, which doesn't seem to show up in my search.

edit: on further research it appears all links in virus pages (IE in molecular virology) have been pointed to this video as well.

: The way I would go about it would be to go to articles such as Virus, Viral infection, infection and the like, look at the page's history, note the most fequent editor and go to his personal discussion page. Then I would talk with him about the situation since that editor would likely have some interest and knowledge in the area. Terryeo 22:07, 9 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much, As I said I'm pretty new here and up until now my editing has mainly been typos and occasionally editing things for friends, I have no desire to start an edit war, but it seems to me that something disease-related is the most common public conception of an 'outbreak' and it's kind of off-putting not even being able to find the page when I need some reasearch. Any idea how to find the 'actual' outbreak article, or if one indeed exists?

Uploading pictures

How do I upload pics to a page?

By clicking "Upload file" in the 'toolbox' located under the search bar. - Tutmosis 00:00, 10 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Error that I keep getting

The "you have new messages (last change)" text at the top won't go away (even though I already checked my talk page, and read the most recent message). I've went to other pages on Wikipedia, and the message still remains. How do I fix this? RobJ1981 15:18, 10 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Try clearing your cache first, then click on the link provided in the "you have new messages (last change)" text. Tra (Talk) 19:11, 10 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Given the time you were reporting this, I was actually having an identical problem. They were upgrading the DB and if you were unlucky enough to have just had a new message which you hadn't checked by the time they started, it wouldn't go away until you logged out and logged back in. Weird one. Orderinchaos78 ^(t|c) 11:10, 11 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

And what is THIS template?

{{P}} looks about useless, however it's referenced from, amongst others {{Namespace prefix of associated page}}. What am I missing?! 68.39.174.238 01:26, 11 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think {{P}} is just for doing smileys. {{Namespace prefix of associated page}} doesn't actually reference {{P}}, the template it actually references depends on the namespace of the page it is being displayed on. Because the what links here mechanism cannot handle such complex template syntax, it incorrectly shows that {{P}} is included. Tra (Talk) 02:05, 11 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ahh, OK. 68.39.174.238 02:37, 11 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

AHA! I've found out the TRUE reason for that template: It's linked to by talkpage templates when they're incorrectly put onto articels! Try it and see! 68.39.174.238 02:44, 11 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think I can see what might be happening here... the talkpage templates refer to {{Namespace prefix of associated page}} which in turn refers to {{P(current namespace)}} and since in articles, the namespace is "", {{P}} is therefore called. Tra (Talk) 03:14, 11 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Numbering doesn't appear in table

I've tried to add another column to the Appendix of Irregular (English) verbs in order to automatically number the list, using the number sign (#). However, when I preview it, I only see number signs. I tried adding and deleting spaces before and after #, but no dice. Any troubleshooting ideas? Dblomgren 07:03, 11 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think it's possible in HTML for a numbered list to spread across table cells. I've added in some numbers manually. By the way, when doing an external link, the pipe should be replaced by a space, giving Wiktionary Appendix of Irregular (English) verbs. An interwiki link could also be used, to give Wiktionary Appendix of Irregular (English) verbs. Tra (Talk) 17:02, 11 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Someone has tried to dump the entire contents of the British National Vegetation Classification on WP, and has left a whole series of poorly-titled articles. Example, British NVC community W1 redirects to British NVC community W1 (Salix cinerea - Galium palustre woodland). There's quite a number of them, so can I get some assistance in moving them to the shorter, more WP:NC-compliant titles? Thanks, Chris talk back 15:00, 11 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Filmographies question

Got a question about a point and I want to bring it up for further discussion elsewhere, but I don't know if this is the proper place for it... In the porn star section, there is an existing Wikiproject Porn stars where we've tried to come up with some guidelines for the articles. One of the areas we have there is with regards to Filmographies. The rule of thumb the project has come up with is that the filmography should be no more than 6 films, but there are clear guidelines mentioned for when a listing can run over that length. The reason for this is that Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information, and especially when filmographies for the various adult actresses can be readily found via IAFD and IMDB. So I go to apply this rule to the Courtney Cummz article, and I have two people make complaints. One points out that the project's guidelines are suggestions and not rules, and the other person accuses me of Wikipedia:wikilawyering and tells me to leave it be. Now i see the same person who added the list to the Courtney Cummz article doing the same thing to the Alexis Malone article.

I have two questions:

1. How can I advance the WP:P* project forward so the guidelines within the project have more teeth?

2. What should I do about filmographies in the interim? We're not talking about a short list here - the Courtney Cummz filmography list that was added ran to 112 lines of text, the Alexis Malone list ran to 260 lines?

Thank you in advance. Tabercil 22:37, 11 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A Wikiproject cannot make rules and then require that other people live with them. See WP:OWN. User:Zoe|(talk) 06:03, 12 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I personally believe that Wikiprojects should be able to make their own standarization guidelines, subject to consensus modification by the community as a whole if they do something that violates common sense. Wikiprojects are smaller, and hence it is easier to reach a consensus on an issue, and the editors in a Wikiproject are likely more knowledgeable of that subject. These guidelines would of course be subject to community review. If a project, for instance, decided biographies should be titled in their subject's native language, that would be easily overridden by external consensus. --tjstrf Now on editor review! 08:06, 12 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The place to bring this up is Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Porn stars so that others who have agreed to this guideline can take action, or can tell you that you have misunderstood the guideline. If a random editor saw a list of 260 items they might just remove it as "not a list" but the only teeth in a WikiProject are the norms that the members are willing to abide or enforce, as a group with similar editing interests. - Banyan Tree 19:13, 12 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Username change in meta-wiki

Anyone know how to make a request of username change in meta-wiki? Thank you.--encyclopedist 07:41, 12 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

meta:Requests for permissions#Username change looks ideal. --tjstrf Now on editor review! 08:14, 12 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

May I ask a few people their opinion on an editing dispute?

I understand that there are several formal channels dedicated to getting a third opinion or asking for a mediator, but most of those processes are severely backlogged, and I really do not wish to wait very much longer to see the end of a certain dispute, and think it would be more conventional to create a thread asking for a volunteer's opinion or mediation instead. If this is not the proper place for that, then please direct me to the right place. If there is no proper place for that, then please direct me to an polite and experienced Wikipedia editor who would not mind being a mediator on short notice.

Talk:Neon_Genesis_Evangelion#A_good_external_link_to_add.3F

I proposed an external link for the main article. I felt that the link would help support a statement made within the article that has no citation. Nique1287 feels that the content of the site I wish to link to does not provide adequate support for the statement.

Now, if that was all there was to it, then there would be no problem. We would share our opinions on the matter until one of us was convinced that the link was appropriate or innappropriate.

However, Nique1287 is not abiding by several Wikipedia guidelines and policies. Although at the start of the dispute she was civil, she quickly became unneccesarily harsh and critisizing. She wrote more than a tolerable number of veiled insults and never ceased to indirectly imply that I am ignorant and incompetant. Even after being reminded of the Wikipedia policies about civility, she did not curtail the harshness of her comments.

The entire time, I did not respond in kind. There were no veiled insults from me, nor was there a lack of civility. However, she has created an atmosphere in that talk page such that it is difficult to respond to anything that she is saying without being defensive and protective of oneself, due to her attacks. The dispute has become highly unproductive thanks to this and it is no longer possible to debate the actual issue.

However, the matter that we are disputing over is important to me, and I do not wish to see it ignored merely because it is impossible to discuss it thanks to Nique. A mediator would be highly appriciated, and at least hearing someone's third opinion on the matter would put me at ease.

Again, if this is not the proper place for such a request, I apologize, and please direct me to the right one. If there is no proper place, please show me someone who is altruistic enough to lend me a hand. EvaXephon 11:46, 12 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You could open an article content query at WP:RFC. Regarding the personal attacks themselves, read the instructions at WP:PAIN and WP:RFI and decide whether to open a request on one of those pages. Those noticeboards cannot address the underlying content dispute but they could deal with incivility, particularly in cases where one party has carefully abided by policy and the other has violated the same. Durova^Charge! 16:31, 12 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Copying classes to other wikis

I'd like to reuse the wikitable CSS class in another wiki.

1. Is it allowed?

2. Where should I put it? We don't have a mediawiki.

It's available under the GFDL.
You would need to put the following code inside a stylesheet that is included on all of the pages:

/* wikitable/prettytable class for skinning normal tables */

table.wikitable,
table.prettytable {
  margin: 1em 1em 1em 0;
  background: #f9f9f9;
  border: 1px #aaaaaa solid;
  border-collapse: collapse;
}

table.wikitable th, table.wikitable td,
table.prettytable th, table.prettytable td {
  border: 1px #aaaaaa solid;
  padding: 0.2em;
}

table.wikitable th,
table.prettytable th {
  background: #f2f2f2;
  text-align: center;
}

table.wikitable caption,
table.prettytable caption {
  margin-left: inherit;
  margin-right: inherit;

If you're not using MediaWiki, please say which software you are using and/or give the URL of the wiki and it might be easier to tell you where to put it. Tra (Talk) 22:17, 12 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the quick answer - the article where I'm trying to reuse the class is here.