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May 18

Eeeh-ooh

In the ongoing ice hockey world championship, in intermissions you can hear someone yell 'eeeh-ooh' or similar, and the audience answers with the same yell. I have heard this at many other events too and I think the yell is from the 1970s or even older. What is the origin of this and when was it made so popular it is almost generally recognised, as it is now? /Dangerous Dancing (talk) 13:33, 18 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You mean something like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzLl8MPuKwI --Khajidha (talk) 15:53, 18 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

American baseball fans will often yell "Day-O!" as a ninth-inning rally cry (the first two notes from "Day-O (The Banana Boat Song)"). It's the same two musical notes, and similar yell-and-response, as Freddie Mercury's version. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 16:12, 18 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it's the same as the yell by Freddie Mercury at Live Aid. What does "day-oh" mean, then? / Dangerous Dancing (talk) 19:32, 18 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

In the original song, it meant that it was sunrise and hence it was time for the nightshift to go home. In baseball, it means that the team has a chance to win, and [if they do], the crowd can go home. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 19:52, 18 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. / Dangerous Dancing (talk) 20:12, 18 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

In Freddie Mercury's example, it was simply playing the crowd. Demonstrating that he was a master showman by making them do what he wanted. It also draws the crowd into the experience. --Khajidha (talk) 17:26, 21 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Kind of like Cab Calloway drawing them in while scat-singing during "Minnie the Moocher" - until it gets too complex and he leaves them in the dust. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 18:11, 21 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

May 19

Super Bowl LVIII

If CBS is Going to Air Super Bowl LV. Then NBC Will air Super Bowl LVI. Then in the next three years in the new NFL TV Contracts CBS will likely air Super Bowl LVIII Three years later If I'm right Because NBC can't air 2 Super Bowls in 3 Years. 68.103.78.155 (talk) 01:55, 19 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You've left Fox out of your post. As mentioned here List of Super Bowl broadcasters the broadcast rights rotate between those three networks. I have not read of any changes but that could always happen I suppose. MarnetteD|Talk 02:25, 19 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

At one time, ABC/ESPN was in the mix. Although not included in the current rotation, a new contract could change that. → Michael J Ⓣ Ⓒ Ⓜ 19:15, 19 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Start times for Australian Football

Next week, the nine matches played in the AFL's Round 10 will start at 13.45, 14.10, 16.35, 19.25, 19.25, 13.10, 15.20 and 15.20. Why do the matches never start on the hour, or the half-hour? xiij ~talk~ 19:53, 19 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(OR) It often comes down to broadcast scheduling. Sometimes the time at the END of the match is more important than the start. e.g. For the "The News at Nine" to happen at 21h00, the game must be over. Since the average game is about 2.5 hours it must start before 18h30. Add a 5 minute fudge factor = 18h25 start time. 196.213.35.147 (talk) 07:55, 20 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

19th-century minor league baseball

I just discovered Category:Binghamton Crickets players and Category:Binghamton Cricket players. Neither team has an article. When the same name (or a very similar name) is used by two teams in the same city with non-overlapping time periods, how do we decide whether or not the second one is a revival of the first? (Note that the "Crickets" category embraces 1887, 1888, and 1900.) I trust that things were a bit informal in the 1880s and 1900s compared with today, and there wouldn't be some league office with decision-making powers on this question, comparable to what the National Football League did regarding the Cleveland Browns. Nyttend (talk) 20:17, 19 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Are you referring to Pop Smith? The sourcing says he's the same guy.[1] But you're right, things can get kind of slippery in the 19th century, and for minor leagues especially. Note the scarcity of info on the 1877 Binghamton players.[2] I can't think of any examples now, but I know that when they were building the encyclopedias of major league ballplayers in the 1950s and 1960s, they occasionally ran across guys who were somehow listed separately but were actually the same guy - and possibly the reverse situation as well, especially for a common name such as Smith. And by the way, the 1877 Binghamton team is consistently referred to in area newspapers as the "Crickets", plural. Hard to tell where Baseball-Reference got the information that it was singular "Cricket". ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 22:11, 19 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

No, I didn't notice that one individual was in both. Instead, I came close to proposing a merger of these two categories, thinking that they were the same team, before I noticed that there was a significant time gap between the two. This led me to wonder why they're considered separate teams, given the same city and name. (And yes, singular does seem odd; aside from Stanford, a "so-and-so attribute" name, e.g. "Miami Heat", seems really recent.) I discovered them in the first place in Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/GreenC bot 13, where they were causing problems for a bot that was changing links in biographies based on whether the article mentioned the word "baseball" or the word "cricket". Nyttend (talk) 00:39, 20 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

They are probably (though not guaranteed) separate entities, and I recommend disambiguating them somehow. That should take care of the "Cricket" vs. "cricket" problem. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 01:01, 20 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The situation is even worse than you think. The Binghamton Crickets category says that the team played in the International Association in 1887, Central League in 1888 and New York State League in 1900. The International Association article says that the Crickets joined in 1878 (which the categories show for the singular Cricket team). The New York State League article does not list the Crickets as a member team, but shows the Binghamton Bingoes in that capacity. --Khajidha (talk) 11:55, 20 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

And an additional oddity: the Binghamton Bingoes (a team from 1900) are wikilinked to the Binghamton Triplets (which lists no history before 1923). --Khajidha (talk) 11:59, 20 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Triplets referring to Binghamton / Johnson City / Endicott NY. Bingoes alliterative with the city name. No clue about Crickets at this point. One problem is that team nicknames were generally unofficial in the 19th century. They were usually dreamed up by the writers, albeit sometimes with the approval of the teams. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 12:16, 20 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The 1877 team wore uniforms that said "Cricket",[3] while the papers called them "the Crickets". This might not be a mistake, it could be a reflection of the style of the day. For example, a team like Chicago would have had "Chicago" on their shirts, while the papers often would have called them "the Chicagos". ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 16:53, 20 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

More to the point, there's a Sep 2, 1877 article in the Chicago Tribune which says Auburn has joined the League Alliance, and later they are referred to as the Auburns. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 16:59, 20 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

As a better example, on Aug 13, 1877 the Boston Globe shows the League Alliance standings as: Indianapolis, St. Pauls, Janesvilles, Milwaukees, Lowells, Minneapolis, Memphis, Stars, Athletics, Crickets, Fairbanks, Fall Rivers and Chelseas. Cities with names ending in "s" they didn't try to pluralize. (I got this info via Newspapers.com, a pay site.) ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 17:08, 20 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note that the International Association of 1878 picked up the Binghamton Crickets from the defunct League Alliance. And again they're using the plural for most or all of the teams, such as the Buffalos and the Rochesters. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 17:16, 20 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

After 1878, the next reference to Binghamton Crickets comes in 1885, in the New York State League. There was also an 1886 club, though it was not mentioned after May, so it could be the league failed. There is also not much coverage in 1887. Your original question is whether there's a connection between these various clubs other than their names. It's possible, but the coverage is too sparse to know with any certainty. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 17:35, 20 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

[unindent] I guess the core problem is definition: when we have two non-consecutive periods of time in which a team of a certain name plays in a certain place, how do we decide if the team has been revived or whether it's a separate team? The Durham Bulls appear to be treated as a revival, as the article goes back to 1902, but apparently the organization history is that of the Myrtle Beach Pelicans, who have existed continuously since 1902 and moved out of Durham when the new Bulls were created. Conversely, Category:Baseball teams in Washington, D.C. has three subcategory trees for Washington Nationals teams and four for Washington Senators, and the Twins and the Rangers are two of those trees, so one is not considered the other's continuation. What's the difference? Nyttend (talk) 00:07, 21 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It's not see easy to find a true connection unless local newspapers and/or historians comment on it. But teams will try to link themselves to the past. An obvious recent example, fully approved by the NFL, is assigning the Cleveland Browns' history to the expansion team, when factually it belongs to the Baltimore Ravens. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 18:14, 21 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Seems to me that the idea that players take the team records with them when they leave a city is just as much a matter of convention as the idea that a city keeps a team's records when the players move to another location. If the entire playing, coaching, and office staff of a team quit or died tomorrow, the records would remain in that city. How is that any more continuous than the Browns example? --Khajidha (talk) 18:36, 21 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

A ball club is a business entity. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 21:08, 21 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

And the business entities in question decided that the records would be left in Cleveland. So what's your problem? --Khajidha (talk) 22:20, 21 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The expansion Washington Senators of 1961 were (temporarily) assigned the history of their predecessors, who had become the Minnesota Twins. That assignment isn't factually accurate, it's just marketing hype. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 23:50, 21 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

If the business entity says that these records go here, that is a fact. A fact based on said business. What you are arguing for is actually based on who played the game, that is not the "business entity". --Khajidha (talk) 00:06, 22 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This seems to be getting off the track, but I'll let the OP decide that. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 01:16, 22 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Baseball Bugs and Khajidha, would you mind coming to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 May 22#Binghamton Crickets and participating? Thank you. Nyttend (talk) 23:39, 22 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

May 20

chalk-marking thingie for sports field/pitch

Does Wikipedia have an article on this thing? Some models are called "line stripers" on google, but that redirects to Road surface marking which is paint-on-asphault. Some call them field chalk markers or dry line markers, but I can't seem to find anything on that, either. The article is The Tempestry Project which refers to an artist using one of these things in her work, but I had no idea what the source meant when it said she drew with a "chalk marker" until I found her website and a photo and went 'OHHH'. At any rate, I'd love to wikilink for other ignorant people if I could just find the article, if we have one. --valereee (talk) 13:03, 20 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

In the UK they're known as "line marking machines". Unfortunately on Wikipedia, that just redirects to "road surface marking", which is unhelpful. I don't think that we have an article, although someone will no doubt be along to point out my error. Mikenorton (talk) 16:54, 20 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

With all the mainly-sports-interest-editors out there, I'm surprised there isn't at least a stub already lol! Maybe it's because to them this is DUH! territory --valereee (talk) 17:38, 20 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Googling the subject yields "baseball field foul line dry marker" or some subset of those terms. There doesn't seem to be one predominant term. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 17:47, 20 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Google results are dependent on the googler's location and past history. As another UK user, googling 'line marker' gives me mostly 'line marker(s) / marking machine(ry)' with occasional additions of words including 'sports' and/or 'field', as well of course as 'paint', 'liquid', 'spray' and 'dry line'. This seems to corroborate my personal experience (as a sports/athletics player and later as a facilities maintenance administrator) that, in the UK at any rate, 'Line marker' is the common and usual term. Unfortunately that title has already been employed for something completely different, so disambiguation will be needed. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.122.2.132 (talk) 00:31, 21 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Similar results on a search here in Canada. If there is to be a new article, I suggest naming it line marker (sports) and renaming the existing line marker to line marker (diving). --76.69.46.228 (talk) 02:26, 21 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I guess I'll create a stub, just to have something we can put a photo on. Thanks, all! ETA ugh, but notability...how on earth do I prove that lol? --valereee (talk) 12:07, 21 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Does appearing in lots of online advertisements demonstrate notability? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 13:38, 21 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Baseball Bugs, unlikely to, I'd think? I'm thinking there might have been coverage around the time it was invented, maybe? Or maybe something along the lines of a book on the history of sports field development? --valereee (talk) 14:38, 21 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This may be helpful, and check out page 40 of the same book for a little on the history of their use. Mikenorton (talk) 14:18, 21 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, thanks, mikenorton! --valereee (talk) 14:39, 21 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I've created Draft:Line marker (sports), would love some input from people who have some expertise in sports, as I have none --valereee (talk) 17:00, 21 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

For another reference, see p. 5 of this publication relative to the maintenance of baseball fields [4]. The contraption is called a line marker and there is an illustration. Xuxl (talk) 19:01, 21 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Xuxl, thank you! I'm hoping that'll be the third reliable source to prove notability! --valereee (talk) 19:20, 21 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Don't exclude the marking of colored lines on a white surface, for hockey or curling. --76.69.46.228 (talk) 20:16, 21 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

76.69.46.228, would love to include, do you have anything to source it? --valereee (talk) 20:25, 21 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

May 21

John Wick 3 Plot Clarification

In John Wick 3, Sofia goes to see Berrada with 2 dogs. One is shot and shown laying on the ground. She leaves with 2 dogs. I saw nothing to explain what happened and it is nearly impossible to Google because anything that contains both Wick and Dog brings up unrelated topics. Was there a third hidden dog? Was the dog shot in a bullet-proof vest and, for some unknown reason, decided to lay still instead of acting like an injured dog? Is it a zombie dog? I assume that they shot the scenes of them leaving (with both dogs) before shooting the confrontation where the dog was shot. Instead of editing out the second dog, they just assumed nobody in the audience would realize that 2-1=1 and accept that 2-1=2. 12.207.168.3 (talk) 17:58, 21 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

If it wasn't in the movie, then you'll need to find a forum that speculates on such things - and this ain't it. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 18:08, 21 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, though I will say that, given the character, it's unlikely that the subject of a dog being killed would be something that got left unresolved or forgotten. It was a major feature of the first film and has been widely used in memes and jokes ever since. Matt Deres (talk) 12:38, 22 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. My name is John Wick. You killed my dog. Prepare to die. Clarityfiend (talk) 19:32, 23 May 2019 (UTC) [reply]

It definitely was wearing a vest. Speculation would be either that it was trained to remain still (we see Sofia plant a gun on the dog in an earlier scene, possibly for such a scenario), or that it was genuinely hurt and needed time to recover. Mingmingla (talk) 02:30, 24 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

May 22

Soviet Chainsaw

Hi All. Please would someone be able to tell what is happening in this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwLZUeaIR38

between 20:24 and 20:27 he appears to apply a liquid and and an electric current to the item. What for? What is the aim of this and what is the desired outcome? What is the liquid applied. Unfortunately I can't watch this with volume and suspect it may be in Russian anyway. Any help would be great. Thanks all Anton 81.131.40.58 (talk) 14:24, 22 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

At 20:57 if you turn on cc, the subtitle says "orthophosphoric acid + zinc battery case". --TrogWoolley (talk) 14:54, 22 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

To what end?

That is a very cheap way to do zinc electroplating. He turned phosphoric acid and zinc into zinc phosphate (and hydrogen, which bubbled away). The zinc phosphate solution is applied to the blade using electricity to get the zinc ions to stick. I assume it works fine, but I haven't seen anything that uses zinc in zinc plating for a long time. Chromium is used in just about everything that I know of, but it is still called zinc plating to differentiate between plating and going full chrome. 12.207.168.3 (talk) 15:56, 22 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Just to note, zinc plating is commonly called galvanization; technically all electroplating would be "galvanization" (since it involves using a galvanic cell to accomplish the plating process), but AFAIK, the term has evolved to refer only to the zinc plating of iron or steel. Zinc can also be "chemiplated" rather easily without any electric current; I have used two separate methods (one using zinc in boiling concentrated sodium hydroxide solution, and another using zinc in boiling concentrated zinc chloride solution) to chemiplate zinc on copper coins like pennies. It works relatively well and easily in a school class setting. If you put the coins in a flame or on a hot plate after plating them, they turn a brilliant gold color from the alloying of copper and zinc to form brass.[5] --Jayron 32 17:50, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Star Trek

I saw part of a Star Trek episode on TV last night and wonder what series it was from. The main things I noticed was that the crew members wore purple uniforms and the captain (or maybe one of the crew) looked sort of like Tim Allen, and the ship itself was like a more bulbous version of the TOS and TNG Enterprises. I've seen some of TOS, TNG, and DS9 but there are more that I've only slightly heard of, so thanks. 67.164.113.165 (talk) 20:11, 22 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

After some clicking I think it may have been Voyager, but I didn't notice Captain Janeway on the screen in the bit that I saw. 67.164.113.165 (talk) 20:16, 22 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe it was Tim Allen and what you saw was not Star Trek but Galaxy Quest? --Wrongfilter (talk) 20:20, 22 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, I just looked at a youtube clip of Galaxy Quest and it's sort of possible. That would explain Tim Allen. But I found the purple uniforms on the TV show to be "colorful" as it were, and the YT clip wasn't like that. Oh well, if it's on again I'll try to notice. I saw less than a minute of the show and wondered what it was. Thanks. 67.164.113.165 (talk) 20:33, 22 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The Orville has more colorful uniforms and a captain that faintly resembles a 40ish Tim Allen. 97.82.165.112 (talk) 20:42, 22 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, I hadn't heard of that show but again I found a youtube clip. It might be that. I remember thinking the thing I saw had to be ST because the ship resembled the TNG Enterprise so distinctly (though it was blobbier). I couldn't quickly find clear shots of the Orville but it imitated ST in so many other ways that it might have done the same with the ship. Thanks. 67.164.113.165 (talk) 21:42, 22 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The starship Orville on the series of the same name has a distinctive body shape with loops at the rear. I presume this shape was chosen precisely because it was not a design commonly seen on Star Trek. I don't actually remember what the starship Protector in Galaxy Quest looks like, although I've seen it multiple times, because it's not seen much from the outside in the movie; but this is what it looks like according to a fan website, which I assume is correct. I like the guess that it was actually Galaxy Quest. As to uniform colors, here's a shot from the movie with four of the principal cast members (L-R: Sigourney Weaver, Alan Rickman, Tim Allen, Tony Shalhoub). --76.69.46.228 (talk) 22:27, 22 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, I don't remember about the loops but the engine nacelle looks Treklike enough that it's possible that it was the Orville that I saw. I also remember there was an alien or two aboard the ship, whose getup was around halfway between the TNG "nose bump" aliens and Babylon 5 full-on prosthetics, so I figured it was a post-B5 Star Trek. Although, TNG had Ferengi. It could still have been Galazy Quest I guess too. 67.164.113.165 (talk) 22:52, 22 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I think the only alien-looking character (loosely speaking) in the main crew in Galaxy Quest is the one played by Alan Rickman; see my link above. (More precisely, he's played by the character played by Rickman). Alien species on board The Orville include Maclins and a Xelayan. Does that mean it's The Orville after all? --76.69.46.228 (talk) 23:52, 22 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Say, do you have access to TV listings from last night that would enable you to just look it up? --76.69.46.228 (talk) 23:45, 22 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I was thinking about that and the answer is I don't know. I'm not much of a TV watcher these days. There's listings on xfinity.com but that site doesn't like the browser I'm using. If it was a rerun it might be on every night, so I could just check if it's on tonight. Those aliens might be the ones I saw, so the Orville theory sounds promising, but I can't be sure without seeing it again. I'm glad to find out about it even though I don't feel likely to become a regular viewer. I'm surprised and amused that they got away with making such a show. 67.164.113.165 (talk) 01:22, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, we are being silly, just focusing on what things look like. What can you say about the story in the bit that you saw? Can you remember any dialogue? --76.69.46.228 (talk) 09:48, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Afraid I don't remember any dialogue, and the TV sound might even have been off. I do remember there was a space battle where the enemy (or maybe allied) ships were sort of spherical, not Death Star spherical but a little more Miyazaki-like. That supports the Orville theory perhaps. I'll look on youtube again. I mostly remember wondering what the show was, seeing what I thought was a USS Enterprise-inspired ship, and figuring it was a Star Trek descendant of some sort. It didn't occur to me then that it might be otherwise. 67.164.113.165 (talk) 04:09, 24 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I see Voyager is on now. I'm not 100% certain it's the same show I saw a couple nights ago, but it looks pretty likely. The ship looks about right and the uniforms fairly close. I also noticed the ship had a loop in the back like the Orville, though the on-wiki pictures don't show it, hmm. Anyway, thanks for all the help. 67.164.113.165 (talk) 07:25, 24 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

No, no loop on the back of Voyager. Anyway, you're welcome. --76.69.46.228 (talk) 07:47, 24 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Kate Mulgrew looks like Tim Allen? Clarityfiend (talk) 20:13, 24 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

No there was another Allen-resembling character on the screen. Mulgrew wasn't in that scene or else I (probably) would have recognized her. I've seen a few Voyager episodes though I found the show pretty dull. 67.164.113.165 (talk) 05:36, 25 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Was it Star Trek: Discovery? (Assuming that the blue uniforms are kind of purple-ish, maybe Anson Mount looks like Tim Allen, there was one episode were both sides were fighting with spherical drones...not sure about the ship with the loop though) Adam Bishop (talk) 10:52, 25 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

A remote possibility is Andromeda. The Andromeda Ascendant does have loops. Clarityfiend (talk) 19:41, 25 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

May 24

Missing Album

I am trying to find an album which I believe was released in the mid 80's. The genre is similar to Joan Baez; Judy Collins; Joni Mitchell etc. The album cover is mostly whit and shows the artist standing on a street in Autumn with a large hat. My memory is sketchy on the details such as the album cover being mostly white, my mind's eye recalls it as such but I may be mistaken. I discovered Judy Collins yesterday in my search for this album, and was sure it must be her, but alas it does not appear in her discography. I know the details are vague, any help that can be provided would be deeply appreciated. Anton 81.131.40.58 (talk) 08:35, 24 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Are you sure about the mid-80s part? The heyday of those singers was the '60s and '70s. The mid-80s was not a great time for sensitive female singer-songwriters, except for Suzanne Vega, and it's not her. --Viennese Waltz 09:33, 24 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Quite right, its not Suzanne Vega! I recall this as being in the mid eighties when my mother told me hat this was her favourite album and artist of all time. The woman in the picture is wearing a dress and hat reminiscent of the early 80's. Thanks

Do you have an approximate age of the singer? There were young singers, such as Tiffany and Debbie Gibson (who had a thing for hats) as well as older singers such as Joan Jett and Bonnie Raitt. Having an approximate age would help a great deal in narrowing it down. 12.207.168.3 (talk) 12:38, 24 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I was looking up other singer-songwriters from the 1980s I could think of, like Mary Chapin Carpenter and Lucinda Williams and Sophie B. Hawkins and Kate Bush, and none of them have album covers like you describe. Still hunting though. --Jayron 32 14:19, 24 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Damn. I think I have it. Is it Carly Simon's No Secrets? It's a decade earlier than your requirement, it was released in the 1970s, but otherwise checks off all of the boxes: female singer-songwriter, mostly white, giant hat, vaguely autumnal. --Jayron 32 14:31, 24 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

My God Man! That's amazing Jayron! Someone buy this man a beer! Anton 81.131.40.58 (talk) 14:40, 24 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sigh. I would have got that if I hadn't been misdirected by the false mid-80s claim. I said in my first post that the album was probably from the 60s or 70s, not the 80s. And I thought of Carly Simon and went through all of her album covers from the 80s, but didn't go back as far as the 70s. --Viennese Waltz 14:46, 24 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Further claiming that a basic 60s folksy floppy hat is "reminiscent of the early 80's". Hats were not popular at all in the 80s. There were flashes of fads, such as Madonna's beret and Roth's fedora, but nothing stuck. 12.207.168.3 (talk) 16:12, 24 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Au contraire, mon frère, the 80s had their hat trends, as any other decade did, some rather notable ones include the painter's cap, which you couldn't swing a dead cat in 1988 without hitting someone wearing one of those, and that black hat that Debbie Gibson made a thing in in like 1986-1987. --Jayron 32 17:58, 24 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That's as may be, but the hat worn by Carly Simon in that picture was not at all reminiscent of the 80s. Furthermore, none of the 80s female singers who wore hats were of the singer-songwriter genre. --Viennese Waltz 19:42, 25 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, but fashion in the 80's was just generally cringe-worthy, like pleated polka-dot skirts and big hair

May 25

Screenplay writing

In a screenplay, how do you denote that you specifically want a character to communicate his/her line(s) in a foreign language (e.g. German, Vietnamese, Elvish, or maybe even Morse code), with subtitles in English? I already tried asking this question on a moviemaking forum, but I could not get a coherent answer there. 2601:646:8A00:A0B3:D572:F62A:ECB8:F316 (talk) 02:24, 25 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Why would you not simply write the character's dialogue in the required language, and add the desired English subtitle text below? Example:

CHARACTER

La plume de ma tante est verte.

[Subtitling]

My aunt's pen is green.

This site, although it doesn't itself mention subtitles, does mention several comprehensive published guides to writing screeplays that will surely do so. Anyone seriously contemplating writing and submitting a screenplay would probably benefit from studying a copy of one, just as anyone intending to submit a book MS would be well advised to follow either a standard style manual or the House style manual of the particular publisher concerned. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.122.2.132 (talk) 04:49, 25 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The above example would work just fine for French or German, but not so well for Korean or Vietnamese (at least in my case -- I have zero knowledge of Asian languages, but quite a bit of European ones) -- and as for dialogue in Morse code (which would be required in any movie which has a railroad signalman as a character -- a lot of railroad communications are by telegraph, and in fact they use not only Morse code but also a second code reserved exclusively for the absolute block system), I don't know if the above example is even workable in principle. For example, if the dispatcher is sending an emergency message to the station "Cassil's Siding" to hold the second section of Train #2, am I supposed to write the following:

DISPATCHER (taps the following on the telegraph key)

-.-. ... -.-. ... -.-. ... .---- --... .... --- .-.. -.. ..--- -. -.. -. ..- -- -... . .-. ..---

[Subtitling]

C. S. (Cassil's Siding), C. S., C. S., life-and-death, hold 2nd Number 2

In that case, is that what it's supposed to look like? 2601:646:8A00:A0B3:D572:F62A:ECB8:F316 (talk) 11:11, 25 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy

At whom was the Hungarian waiter aiming at when he fired the gun? The Hungarian General, or Jim Prideuax. And was the General killed at that time? --213.205.242.170 (talk) 21:58, 25 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]