Talk:Mariah Carey

Semi-protected edit request on 1 September 2019

i would like to put mariahs birthday and some funfacts about mariah01:45, 1 September 2019 (UTC)Rubysue1221 (talk) Rubysue1221 (talk) 01:45, 1 September 2019 (UTC) °°01:45, 1 September 2019 (UTC)Rubysue1221 (talk)

Her birthday is already included. These "fun facts" would have to be sourced if including them. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 01:55, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

"Honors and awards"

I think we might have to update the picture of Mariah at the 20th Screen Actors Guild Award with a picture of her at the 2019 Billboard Music Awards where she was honored with the Billboard Icon Award.

Semi-protected edit request on 9 November 2019

I want to just added one more Music Genre that Mariah Carey do, which is DANCE genre ViktorLucian88 (talk) 12:11, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

 Not done. Please provide reliable sources for this information. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 15:17, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

Mistake in the introduction

In the introduction it says that she is the only artist whose first five singles reached number one on the Billboard Hot 100. According to the singles discography and album articles her fifth single released was "There's Got to Be a Way" that didn't even chart on the Hot 100. I don't know if first four singles reaching number one is still a record, but somebody should check for this. --Clemens (Talk) 12:32, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 November 2019

Add Mariah Carey's 2019 album "Merry Christmas (Deluxe Anniversary Edition) to her Discography. And remove "born March 27th 1969" , and change it to March 27th 1970. Themeaningfulrock11 (talk) 05:19, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

 Not done I'm not sure re-releases are appropriate for inclusion there, but 1969 either way should remain until someone can prove beyond any reasonable doubt Mariah was born in 1970 (there are multiple legitimate sources for each year and a 2013 RFC agreed to include both as a compromise). SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 05:48, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

2019 billboard greatest of all time artists

Mariah was just ranked as the top female artist of all time by Billboard’s Top 125 Artists of all time. Definitely worth mentioning!!! Lambily4lyfe (talk) 08:21, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Mariah Carey birth year

After researching all the sources including the ones cited on this page, her birth year should state the year 1970 instead of 1969 because there are a lot more sources for 1970 than there are for 1969. TrackerMercurial136 (talk) 18:51, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

First account testimony (by proxy) as proof of Carey's Year of Birth

I wanted to bring to your attention an additional source related to her birth year that could potentially be added to the many sources that are already there. I chose not to add the source myself since I know varied conflicting sources have been contradicting one another for many years and I'm assuming the sources you've already carefully selected the many sources that are already there. I thought this source was interesting since it is basically from a first account (from her mother). In this 1999 episode of the Oprah Winfrey Show, Oprah talks with Carey and her mother about biracial identity. Around 18min 18 seconds, Carey's mother says this:

"They didn't like us because we were living as, you know, a black and white couple and that just wasn't done. And in 1969, we were in that neighborhood. And in 1970, when she was born [gesturing in Carey's direction], we moved out of the neighborhood."

In my opinion, the fact that Carey's mother appears on television and refers to the year "1970" as the year "when she [Carey] was born", even gesturing towards Carey while she does ( making it even more clear that she is indeed talking about Carey) speaking about Carey), is a pretty solid proof to support the claim she was born in 1970.

According to the sources that are already in place on the Wikipedia page, even though sources are conflicting about her birth year either being 1969 or 1970 , the latter appears to be the year more often preferred by serious publications. I've also noticed that a lot of the sources provided in support for 1969 are much more scarce. Indeed, by taking into considerations only the sources presented there, there are twice as much sources backing the year 1970. Also, this might be more subjective, but among the sources used in support of the year 1969, there are fewer authoritative sources or if they are then the article itself is more or less of questionable merit. While The Routledge International Who's who ? would typically be well researched, all the others are merely show-business news snippets about pretty mundane concerns and were certainly not the result of thorough research like a feature piece would be.

Also based on the fact that Carey doesn't object to the claim or have any kind of reaction whatsoever to what her mother is stating, is somewhat an indication or at the very least a clue from which we could make the inference that this information is accurate. I get this is is somewhat speculative and I'm not saying Carey would have objected verbally or corrected her mother mistake on television, but I think most people would have some sort of reaction either, verbal or on a much more smaller scale like a change in gaze or just a smile if their date of birth was stated incorrectly in their presence. Also, for what it's worth, I think it is safe to say that for recollecting any event surrounding one's birth, a mother is a much more able and reliable source than a child himself or herself could ever be. Now, someone could argue that her mother stated the year incorrectly, but honestly, that would just be weird. I don't know if that settles it for you. I know it did for me. I was convinced by it. I find this statement to be pretty clear and unequivocal. What do you think ?AleXMetz^{❯❯❯Reach me!} 12:08, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

I get where you're coming from with trusting a mother's word over even what her child says, but Patricia has previously been rejected as a basis. The user Tenebrae firmly insisted on not taking her word at face value or any other relatives because of how family could potentially lie about age and that celebs can lie to make themselves look younger. Pinging that user for input. Personally, I doubt she would make it up, but it was previously decided that only something official like Mariah's birth certificate or a census listing could prove beyond any reasonable doubt that she was born in one year or the other. Until then, consensus was to keep both years in place when there are multiple legitimate publications supporting each, even if the majority seem to back up 1970. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 14:13, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

We go by reliable sources. Reliable sources have different ages. We don't speculate about whether Carey's mother was right, or mistaken, or why Carey did, or didn't, need to correct her. Fact is that recorded cites are likely to be more accurate than what may, or may not, have been a misremembered fact or slip of the tongue in an interview. --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 16:32, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

Concur with SNUGGUMS and Escape Orbit. We go by reliable sources. Family members have an incentive to make the celebrity appear younger — it happens all the time — so they are no more or less reliable than other sources. I would argue less, since I would trust a disinterested, objective source more than a friend or family member.

Also, it was WP:OVERLINKING and WP:UNDUE of an editor yesterday to try to stack the deck with 10 cites for 1970 while leaving the extant five for 1969. I've restored the status quo, and ask that the editor respect WP:BRD. We can play nuclear arms all day, but Wikipedia's position is balance. We can find 10 cites for 1969 to match the 10 cites for 1970, but then why not 20 and 20? That makes no sense, nor does it make any difference as opposed to five representative samples each.--Tenebrae (talk) 15:31, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

Incidentally, Newsday, her hometown paper, has been covering Carey since the very beginning, and it uses 1969. I think the source that covered her from before she got famous is more RS than later sources.--Tenebrae (talk) 15:34, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

Ditto the People cover story that put "24"-year-old right on the cover in November 1993. If that age had been wrong on the cover, then there would have been a stink and People would have issued a correction. Ditto the fact that "1970" means she would have 16 most of her senior year in high school.--Tenebrae (talk) 15:38, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

Agreed, we do not need a game of "Count the Cites". We are not keeping a score to find a winner. Particularly if it involves sources that are more than likely simply copying from each other. All we need demonstrate is that there are differing dates on good reliable sources. Frankly, it's such a trivial matter anyway. A discrepancy of 1 year has no significance in her notability. We do not need it to be prominent on the article. --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 16:00, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

I agree and I never expected this source on its own to entirely clear up the ambiguity nor did I ever intend to cause such a stir. If I'm being very honest, I also think it is an extremely trivial matter and I couldn't care less. I happened to watch this interview, heard that and simply came on the page to see if there was a reference to it and when I saw there was none, I thought, I'd bring it up on the talk page. I've suggested its addition to the references since, from what I l know, it appeared as one of the most convincing sources on the matter.

I think the arguments made about Newsday covering her since her very beginning is very strong. The age disparity between her and her classmates is an equally good one. As you maintained, a birth certificate would undeniably be the ideal source. Until such a source emerges, even though this interview is far from being a high-quality source, I'd argue it is one of the most convincing. I just presumed it would be beneficial to append it to the resources that are already in place. That being said, I certainly won't be the one fighting you on this. I thought this could be helpful, but now I clearly understand how foolish my friendly suggestion on the talk page had been and that not only it wasn't helpful at all, but even quite possibly detrimental.AleXMetz^{❯❯❯Reach me!} 20:55, 1 December 2019 (UTC)