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Tommy Roberts (sports broadcaster)

I need any help with making this a more neutral article and need to know what flowery words need to be taken out. thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Monmouth1946 (talk • contribs) 11:57, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

Monmouth1946, looks like you've already gotten plenty assistance from multiple editors at the article itself since you posted here. Recommend MOS:WORDS as further reading on the subject. Cheers! Usedtobecool ☎️ 17:14, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

Tommy Roberts (sports broadcaster)

I have made numerous changes to give article encyclopedic look. Can someone let me know if they have have given the article a better Format Thank You Monmouth1946 (talk) 20:44, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy link Tommy Roberts (sports broadcaster). TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)}

Tommy Roberts (sports broadcaster)promote the subjectP in making this better for submission

I have streamlined article and taken everything that I could think of to not not promote the subject. I don’t know where to go from here. If someone can help make this a betterarticle for submission I would gladly accept the advice. thank youMonmouth1946 (talk) 16:26, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

Will also like to delete maintenance issues at top of article. I am afraid to do it myself because I do not understand the directions.Monmouth1946 (talk) 16:39, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

• Looking through the text, there is nothing left to justify either of the previously-placed templates ({{peacock}} and {{tone}}), so I removed them. I do think some stuff is unnecessary trivia but have not looked in-depth so will refrain from further edits.

Notice that the article Tommy Roberts (sports broadcaster) has been in mainspace since its creation in November, unless I am missing some page move somewhere, so it is already "submitted" and visible to the public at large. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 17:14, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

Tigraan, it has not been reviewed/accepted by WP:NPP so it doesn't yet show in the search engine results outside of Wikipedia. Most sources are offline so it should take some time unless someone bold or familiar comes across it. Usedtobecool ☎️ 18:03, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

Tommy Roberts (sports broadcaster)

I would like to submit article for publication. It has been vetted for any mistakes on talk and Teahouse. Would someone show me how t odd it orvsubmit it for me. I have done everything I can possibly do to make it read correctly. Also many of you have helped immensely inv preparing it foe submission. Thank YouMonmouth1946 (talk) 17:53, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

• @Monmouth1946: As I wrote above (though you might have missed it), that article is already "live", so it is visible to our readers. (The article can still be improved, of course, as is the case for 99.9% of Wikipedia text.) Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 18:02, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

Monmouth1946, WP:NPP has a backlog of 6000+ articles and most of the sources in your article do not have online links; therefore the article is not easy to review for everyone. If after 90 days of creation, it is still left unreviewed, it will automatically be released for indexing by search engines. So, there's nothing to do but wait a couple months. Although, if you could find and add online links to sources, it might help speed things up. Usedtobecool ☎️ 18:09, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

I am confused as to what “live” means. Does it mean that I don’t have to submit it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Monmouth1946 (talk • contribs) 01:44, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

"Live" means that Tommy Roberts (sports broadcaster) is already a Wikipedia article, not just a draft. The purpose of submitting it has been achieved. Maproom (talk) 07:14, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

It means "visible to Googlebot" and other crawlers per WP:NPP (new page patrol). The article is published, all wikilinks to the former draft are redirected to the article, check out Special:WhatLinksHere/Tommy Roberts (sports broadcaster). –84.46.52.190 (talk) 08:12, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Tommy Roberts (sports broadcaster) followup

I have tried to make language clarified con the two sentences that were tagged. Would someone take a look to see if it reads more coherently. Thank You. Monmouth1946 (talk) 20:07, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Please provide a courtesy link to articles that you reference here. Like this: Tommy Roberts (sports broadcaster). —[AlanM1(talk)]— 23:20, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Monmouth1946, I've removed the tags, as the prose is now clear.--Quisqualis (talk) 02:07, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi Monmouth1946, please don't start new sections for your followups on Tommy Roberts, just add further questions here by clicking the edit link to the right of the title for this last sub-section with the same topic. The archive bot uses the freshest timestamp, everything about Roberts should be archived together after your last question was answered. –84.46.53.207 (talk) 11:08, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Sri Lankan film and actor articles

There is a prolific Sri Lankan Wikipedian who is seemingly creating an article for every single Sri Lankan film, TV show and actor (Special:Contributions/Gihan_Jayaweera). Is every Sri Lankan film, etc. notable enough to be included on Wikipedia? Should they just be limited to the more noteworthy ones? Should the user be encouraged to add more than a cast list and the release date? Obviously we don't want to discourage this user from contributing to Wikipedia, but perhaps their efforts could be refined into higher value work? --Danielklein (talk) 23:06, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

Danielklein, I have not reviewed their contributions but only briefly scrolled through their talk page. Another Sri Lankan seems to have granted the user "Sri Lankan Wikipedian of the year" for 2019. So, I am guessing that at least from the Sri Lankan perspective, they are already doing a high value work. You are correct that not all such things are notable, but from my own experience, only a small fraction of such things that are notable in my country and offline can be shown to be notable using online sources alone. (And of course, there is no way to know if they are creating articles indiscriminately. Perhaps they are already picking the more notable ones of the bunch. After all, South Asia can churn out movies like no other region.) So, third world topics get a bit of a leeway when interpreting notability on the basis of available sources. There is nothing wrong with creating stubs per se. The article needs to make clear why the subject is notable either by showing that the subject meets one of the special notability guidelines or the general notability guideline. Other than that, creating short articles is fine. In fact, that is how Wikipedia began: with thousands and thousands of stubs. There are users who value article quality over article quantity, but for the developing world, I would say stubs on notable topics are just as valuable as in-depth coverage of high priority topics. If nothing else, this allows unregistered editors from those countries who are just getting acquainted with the internet or the Wikipedia to get into editing. Finally, since the editor in question is a trusted WP:AUTOPATROLLED user, they are expected to meet minimum quality and notability standards in their creations. After considering the above points, if you are still concerned that many of their articles might not, you could politely raise it with the user at their talk page. Note that I am not pinging the user in question here and therefore kept my response as general as possible, but if we continue to further discuss them, we should ping them to this discussion, or it would be talking behind their backs. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 09:09, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

Gihan_Jayaweera I believe many of your articles are in violation of WP:PLOT. I think overall you are doing fine work on Wikipedia. I would just like to see articles that establish their notability. A list of every Sri Lankan film, TV show, and actor belongs on IMDB, e.g. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1172522/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0, but not every film is automatically notable enough for inclusion on Wikipedia. --Danielklein (talk) 00:45, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Danielklein, Thank you all for comments. I need to remind you that, I made those articles on the behalf of Cinema of Sri Lanka, but nothing else. Because, when compare with highly fan based Bollywood, Kollywood and Tollywood movies in my neighbor country, Sri Lanka is starting to develop as one of the critically acclaimed movies in past decade or so. Many Sri Lankan films won international awards and some of them were even included in Top 100 Asian Films. Eg. Gaadi. I also should note you everyone that, I cannot included every bit of sections for an article such as plot, production, reception, awards, etc. I just started it and other Sri Lankan Wikipedians should contribute that article with their efforts by adding a plot or production sections. So I leave this in here. Without criticizing a work, I think it is better to fill those gaps in my articles. That will be a great help for my lovable small island in South Asia. Cheers!!! Gihan Jayaweera talk 06:35, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Let's continue this conversation at your talk page. --Danielklein (talk) 06:26, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

How can I get this person to stop editing me out?

There is a person who is editing me out from the Amber Heard page, because I put that she is bisexual, with a HuffPost cite as evidence. And this person is saying that there will be an edit war if I try to undo it. Even though my edit is accurate and based on facts.MannyPC (talk) 02:14, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

Hello, MannyPC, and welcome to the Teahouse. With biographies of living people it's important that good sources are used that support any statement you add. To be frank, I think you are right in your edit attempt, and I would have added this source and this one too, and I note there are multiple other sources that seem to indicate her bisexuality. I haven't read the AH article to assess whether her sexuality is relevant to it, though I note there is a source to confirm her religious views there. When you seem to be in some sort of disagreement of editing, you should either have gone to Flyer22 Reborn's talk page and discussed your different perspectives on sources and relevance, or raised your good faith wish to change the article on its talk page. As I've now pinged FlyerReborn, they may wish to comment here, or on your talk page. Nick Moyes (talk) 02:38, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

I don't know how to reach this person to have a constructive discussion. And I am afraid of getting blocked. I am new here.MannyPC (talk) 03:05, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

Hello, MannyPC. Our friend Nick Moyes lives in the United Kingdom so he might be asleep by now since it is in the middle of the night there. I live in California so I am still staring at the chicken bones on my dinner plate. If you tell the other editor that Nick advised you here, then I think that the risk of you being blocked is negligible, unless you consciously break some policy. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:45, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

I'd rather not discuss this in two different places. I already took this matter to the talk page: Talk:Amber Heard#Bisexual categorization redux. Permalink here. And I pointed MannyPC to that talk page. And I pinged Asarelah there because Asarelah started a discussion about this matter first years ago. The matter was taken to the WP:BLP noticeboard and resolved. Like I recently stated, "I just reverted these edits by MannyPC per the #Bisexual label discussion from years ago and how that was resolved. If, in the source that MannyPC added, it had Heard identifying as bisexual, MannyPC's edit would be fine. But once again, it is instead the source calling Heard bisexual. In cases like these, we follow WP:BLPCAT; we go by self-identity. In a similar case, with regard to Jodie Foster, per WP:BLPCAT, we also don't call Foster a lesbian or categorize her that way. This was decided after much discussion. But we do note that many media outlets described Foster as lesbian or gay after her 2013 speech at the 70th Golden Globe Awards." Yes, sources (including ones listed by Nick Moyes above) have called Heard bisexual. Sources have also called her a lesbian. In The Independent source that Nick Moyes cited, it even states, "The Aquaman star went on to describe herself as an 'outspoken, militant feminist, lesbian, atheist, vegetarian'." But where has she called herself bisexual? She has explicitly stated that she rejects sexual orientation labels. Sources have also called Foster a lesbian or gay. And in the case of Foster, the following is just one example of editors noting the importance of self-identity: Talk:Jodie Foster/Archive 4#RfC 2 - Should "lesbian" be used to describe Foster in categories?. The importance of self-identity is not different for Heard. Cullen328, MannyPC absolutely should not revert. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 03:49, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

MannyPC, the experienced editor above has given you some excellent advice. Read those links and think carefully before editing against consensus. I remember those debates about Jodie Foster. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:22, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

Ok, but if she comes out explicitly as bisexual when she said "I'm Bisexual" or something around that, then it should be referrence in Amber's article. And I don't want no edit wars, I want edit in peace, if you know what I mean.MannyPC (talk) 04:31, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

MannyPC, instead of saying "when" you should say "if". Please remember that Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:46, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

Alright, thank you for giving me advice on how to be an excellent Wikipedia editor. Now I feel welcome in the Wikipedia community. I will try my best to be as accurate as possible, and this experience will help me. And I also want to thank Flyer22 Reborn for having the patience of explaining me why this is not accurate.MannyPC (talk) 04:53, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

Cullen328 and MannyPC, thanks. We can see in this HuffPost source and this Us Weekly source that she was reported as having come out as a lesbian in 2010. This was because she revealed her romantic relationship with Tasya van Ree. Media sources labeled her lesbian even though she didn't state "I'm a lesbian." In the AfterEllen interview the sources are referring to, she doesn't state that she's a lesbian. And in a 2011 interview, she clearly states, "I don't label myself one way or another—I have had successful relationships with men and now a woman. I love who I love; it's the person that matters." In this 2017 People magazine source that reports her as having come out as bisexual, she's quoted as stating, "I saw I was attached to a label ... I never have myself defined by the person I'm with. I never saw myself defined as one particular thing or not. So, I watched as I quickly became not actress Amber Heard, but out lesbian Amber Heard." The "never have myself defined by the person I'm with" aspect is also noted in the aforementioned The Independent source, which also says she came out as bisexual. Any time Heard says she's dated men and women or has implied that she's open to dating men and women, a source labels her bisexual, just like sources initially labeled her lesbian because of her relationship with Tasya van Ree. So regarding MannyPC stating, "And why Amber Heard hasn't sue each and every publication last year calling her bisexual or ask the publication to edit this out? She dated both men and women.", I'm sure Heard understands that bisexual is the term people are going to use for her. But this obviously doesn't mean that she has to use the term for herself. I think it's best to be on the safe side and not state in Wikipedia's voice that she's bisexual or categorize her that way. Maybe we should state in her article the following: "Heard publicly came out at GLAAD's 25th anniversary event in 2010. Although media outlets have labeled her lesbian or bisexual, she has stated, "I don't label myself one way or another—I have had successful relationships with men and now a woman. I love who I love; it's the person that matters." This would replace the beginning of the second paragraph in the "Personal life" section. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 21:47, 10 January 2020 (UTC) Updated post. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 01:08, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Flyer22 Reborn, I forgot to remind you that the Amber Heard's page names her as agnostic in the "Personal Life" section on her page. But on the "Categories" section below, she appears in the "American atheists" Category. Atheism and agnosticism have differences. Can you also take a look at that?MannyPC (talk) 02:29, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

FWIW, there is a reference for "atheist" in Amber Heard#Early life. There's a red entry for Huffpost on WP:RS/P. Good luck with your good WP:BLPCAT fight, it took me about a year to get that right on Talk:Sasha Grey#Adult and atheist categories and obscure "blpo" lists. If you need expert input try WP:BLP/N. –84.46.52.190 (talk) 06:45, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Well, thanks, but I think Flyer22 Reborn is right on this argument. There was no specific case of her saying her sexuality. I was kind of stubborn at first, but I now agree with Flyer22 Reborn, you must have 100% specific evidence. The only thing that needs to be solved about Amber's page is to write her religious beliefs. There is no doubt that she is irreligious, but of what kind? Once again thanks for your support. MannyPC (talk) 07:58, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Just a quick "thank you" to Flyer22 Reborn for your helpful reply, explaining the subtleties of this issue, and to MannyPC and others for their consideration and input. Clearly, with this person, certain things were not as cut and dried as I and MannyPC had assumed.Nick Moyes (talk) 13:42, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

MannyPC, as noted in the Atheism article, atheism can be defined broadly. But we do have both Category:American atheists and Category:American agnostics. In the source in the Personal life section, she states, "No, I'm not a practicing atheist. I'm a practicing human and I know how that sounds but I'm learning everything I can about being human. I was raised in a strict Catholic environment but the only thing I feel comfortable saying that I know is that I can't know. I will never prescribe to an organization that claims to tell me how to do anything. I'm not anti 'higher power' so you could call me agnostic. Whatever, call me anything but I will never be a 'religious' person." Given all of this and the aforementioned "Early life" mention by the IP above, I don't know what is the best route to take in this case. Maybe she is okay with being called an atheist or agnostic. Not sure that she should be in both categories. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 00:56, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Think you're both wrong, if someone says they date and have loved men and women, they are bisexual, if people wish to define themselves alternatively that is their wont, perhaps pansexual for example, but not literally calling yourself bisexual isn't the point, and this seems absolutely bizarre both as a bi person and someone who rather appreciates clarity. As it stands it simply has a paragraph on an already long section about how she doesn't define herself after also saying she's come out. Either keep it to just coming out, or call her as she is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheTominater95 (talk • contribs) 14:26, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

TheTominater95 makes a valid point. This is only being scrutinized because sexuality is such a sensitive subject for so many people. If I publicly stated that even though I've been accurately measured as being six feet tall, I don't like being labeled as "six feet tall", I doubt that there would be any discussion about whether or not my biography should list my height as six feet. However, this discussion does show a healthy respect for people's sensitivities, and that's beneficial for social harmony and WikiPeace.Quickfix333 (talk) 00:07, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

s' vs. s's

Is James' correct, or James's? Just to check. Thanks, Thatoneweirdwikier Say hi 06:12, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

@Thatoneweirdwikier: See MOS:POSS. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 07:29, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

And to pull out the relevant bit. Nouns and names should be made possessive with the addition of 's even if they end in S already. So, James's is correct. If that makes them difficult to pronounce (which I don't think James's is) you can try to reorder the phrase. James' is never right except in the unlikely scenario that you are taking about several people called Jame... Hug^syrup 09:43, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

Hugsyrup, both are correct. See https://english.stackexchange.com/a/130960/73636 --Danielklein (talk) 05:30, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

I am referring to Wikipedia’s guidance. See MOS:POSS as mentioned above. Hug^syrup 07:08, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

It's not as clear cut as "Wikipedia says". Does Wikipedia use British English or American English? It depends. Is James's or James' correct? It depends. See Apostrophe#Singular nouns ending with an "s" or "z" sound. If an article already used one spelling predominantly I wouldn't edit it to use the other, but I would edit it for internal consistency, making them all the same as the majority. Which should you use on Wikipedia? Lacking any other clear direction, James's is preferred for new articles. That doesn't make James' wrong as you asserted. It's not Wikipedia's place to dictate what correct English is. --Danielklein (talk) 06:20, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Deletion of a page... My contributions just caused someone else's page to be deleted

I just fixed some broken links on the page Padmakara Translation Group, a page that had old links, and added one paragraph, and now a whole page of an award winning institution has been deleted. If the changes were not good, please revert them. But now, I'm to blame for a whole page to be deleted, that had been there for years. I feel terrible. Not only that, the deleted Wikipedia content has been stolen by this website: https://pt.qwe.wiki/wiki/Padmakara_Translation_Group displaying in other languages via automatic translation. I would like to have help on this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amaral Rodrigues (talk • contribs) 19:24, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

@Amaral Rodrigues: Padmakara_Translation_Group was deleted as copyright violation of another website. Someone watching the Recent Changes list probably saw your edit and then noticed the page was a copyvio. You can ask the deleting admin about it on their talk page: User Talk:Deb. RudolfRed (talk) 20:15, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

To make it more clear, Amaral Rodrigues: you did nothing wrong, and you did not cause the article to be deleted, in any way. What your edit did was to bring to somebody's notice an article that was in contravention of Wikipedia's policies, and that should have been deleted long ago. It may be possible to write an acceptable article about the Group, if it meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability; but articles must not contain significant amounts of copyright material copied from elsewhere. --ColinFine (talk) 23:38, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your explanations, in any case, what can be done about this website https://pt.qwe.wiki/wiki/Padmakara_Translation_Group stealing wikipedia material in order to display advertising? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amaral Rodrigues (talk • contribs) 08:40, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Amaral Rodrigues, per Wikipedia:Reusing Wikipedia content, as long as they say where they got it, and they seem to, that's ok. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:17, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Wrong name highlighted by robot

I entered a name in my page and it was automatically highlighted in blue to another wiki person of the same name. How do I block this? Kenpj (talk) 21:38, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

@Kenpj: Which page did this happen on? RudolfRed (talk) 21:45, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks RudolfRed. Outwood Academy Adwick, section Percy Jackson Grammar School, notable former pupils, David Dunn. Kenpj (talk) 22:16, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

@Kenpj: Please provide courtesy links to articles that you mention here, like this: Outwood Academy Adwick. Thanks. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 23:34, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Kenpj, Please find the David Dunn you are looking for at David Dunn (disambiguation) and use the corresponding title when you try to mention them on other articles. Usedtobecool ☎️ 23:42, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Kenpj, and welcome to the Teahouse. Thank you for wanting to help you improve Wikipedia. But there is a lot to learn, and a few things that I think you don't understand yet. The link to the wrong David Dunn was not "highlighted by a robot": you put the name in double square brackets so [[David Dunn]], and that is an explicit instruction to the Wikipedia software that you want it to put in a link to the article called "David Dunn". As it happens, that article (David Dunn) is about the cricketer, so you told Wikipedia to link to the article about the cricketer. If there was already an article about your David Dunn, (suppose it was called David Dunn (industrialist) - which doesn't currently exist) then you could have linked to it using a WP:piped link thus: [[David Dunn (industrialist)|David Dunn]].

But secondly, since there isn't currently an article about that David Dunn, he shouldn't appear in the list of alumni: see Write the article first. That is why Theroadislong removed him.

Thirdly, please remember that it is not "your page": it is one of Wikipedia's articles that you had a large part in creating (and your role in creating it is visible to anybody that looks at the "View History" tab); but it does not belong to you in any sense. --ColinFine (talk) 23:58, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

@ColinFine: The article is about a footballer, rather than a cricketer... Moaz786 (talk to me or see what I've been doing) 00:02, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. I am just an amateur, but colleagues wanted to publish an entry for the old school. I fully accept it is not 'my page'. That was just shorthand. One of our teachers was awarded the Military Cross in WW2. Is it not sufficient to ref the London Gazette entry? Does he need more notability? Are individuals only notable if they already have a separate Wiki entry? Would appreciate advice. Kenpj (talk) 00:50, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

YES, individuals are only notable if they already have a separate Wikipedia article. Further, you should be aware that if your editing Wikipedia has anything to do with your employment, then you have a conflict of interest, and need to read about and declare your WP:COI on your Talk page.--Quisqualis (talk) 01:54, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

To answer a question that you didn't ask, this page WP:NSOLDIER will help to determine this persons notability.--Darth Mike^(talk) 15:23, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Research Lab

Hi All,

I am a grad student working in a lab and our PI has requested that I make a wikipedia page for an upcoming conference we will be hosting and I was wondering if anyone had some guidance on how to go about creating an article about the project without referencing the project's main page too often. Unfortunately, the research lab has not had an expose about their staff and methods, but do in depth describe these on their internal website. I am a relatively new editor, so any guidance anyone has or suggestions, would be much appreciated. Thanks all and hope you all have a good day!

-Joe — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jspajka (talk • contribs) 22:42, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Jspajka. Unfortunately, if the conference hasn't been written about in some depth in independent sources such as newspapers or journals, it won't meet Wikipedia's notability criteria and therefore isn't eligible for an article. I know of very few articles about individual academic conferences - probably for this reason. Please also have a read of WP:COI if you are editing Wikipedia as part of your job or about your employer. There is a declaration you need to make to comply with the site's terms of use (see WP:PAID). Cordless Larry (talk) 22:48, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Apologies, Jspajka - I now see that you've already made the required declaration on your user page. Cordless Larry (talk) 09:43, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Jspajka: I have a guide on how to write articles that won't be deleted here.

In short, you need to find three or more professionally-published mainstream academic or journalistic sources that are specifically and primarily about the conference but not affiliated with, dependent upon, nor connected with the conference, the research lab, or your school. As you admit there has not been an expose, that's a problem. Without three such sources, the article is not supposed to exist, period.

But, if you can find three such sources, you just need to summarize them and then paraphrase the summaries. Once that's done and the article is approved, you can expand the article using affiliated sources. Ian.thomson (talk) 22:49, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

@Jspajka: Process aside, there may be a misunderstanding of Wikipedia's purpose. It's not a place you should be looking to get the word out about the conference to encourage attendance or attention to your lab and research. Please see WP:NOTPROMO and the rest of that page. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 23:47, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Clarification of "Mainstream Sources" and applicability of content of cited sources

I would like to ask these questions -

1. What exactly is a "Mainstream Source" ? Is it strictly according to what the wiki policy WP:Wikipedia is a mainstream encyclopedia says or is it flexible as per what is agreed by means of Consensus in a particular context ?

2. If a source is cited for an article for a particular line or particular words, does the other content written in that source also apply to the article ? Can that content be inserted into the article ?

Kmoksha (talk) 01:57, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Kmoksha. Please be aware that WP:Wikipedia is a mainstream encyclopedia is only an essay expressing the opinions of one or more Wikipedia editors. It is not a policy or a guideline. What matters is whether a source is reliable. That means in brief that the source has professional editorial control, and a reputation for accuracy, fact checking and correcting errors. Many of those sources might be called "mainstream" but others might be dissident in one way or another. To answer your second question, a single good quality source can be used multiple times in an article. See WP:NAMEDREFS for an explanation of the coding. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:06, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

@ Cullen328 Thanks for your response. But the "mainstream source" is not clear. It is quite often used by the editors who say "This is a mainstream source" or "This is not a mainstream source and so not acceptable even though I agree with the content of the source article". You can often see Wiki editors rejecting proposals solely on the basis that the referenced source is not mainstream.

So, my first question was that if this link is just an essay and let us say the source suits the given definition of reliability. then can it be rejected saying that "it is not a mainstream source ?"

Also, let me rephrase my second question - Say there is an wiki article A containing a line 1 from a reliable source RS which has the line 1, but the source RS also has a line 2. So, my second question is that since the source RS is referenced in the wiki article and let us say that line 2 also is relevant for wiki article A, then does it mean line 2 also applies to the wiki article ? What if the line 2 contradicts some part of the wiki article ? -- Kmoksha (talk) 02:34, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

As I said previously, Kmoksha, what matters most is whether or not a given source is reliable. The article should summarize what the full range of reliable sources say about the matter, paying less attention to sources that present a distinct minority viewpoint. To the extent that "mainstream" in this context indicates the type of source that represents the most broadly held views by most scholars, then that is a good tool for evaluating the usefulness of a source.

If a reliable, independent source is used properly in the article for one factual assertion, then it is probably a good source for other assertions. If one good source contradicts another good source, then all readily available sources on the matter should be consulted, and the article should reflect the preponderance of the sources.Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:56, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

@Cullen328 In the light of what you said before, can you tell me if these are "mainstream sources" or not - http://www.radicalsocialist.in/ and https://www.sabrangindia.in/ -- Kmoksha (talk) 04:50, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Kmoksha, I am not an expert on left wing publications in India so I cannot give a definitive answer. The first seems to be a Trostkyist advocacy publication and at first glance, I do not see an editorial team. The second seems to be a site opposed to aggressive Hindu nationalism and at least two co-editors are named. Do other publications frequently cite these publications and praise their journalistic accomplishments? Have they won journalistic awards? Do they correct errors and carefully fact check their assertions? You can ask for a more detailed analysis at the Reliable sources noticeboard. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:17, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

@Cullen328 Now that you have listed all these parameters, it seems to me that what the editors mean when they say "this is not a mainstream source" is that the source is not widely acclaimed. But the same editors quote the wiki essay link of WP:Wikipedia is a mainstream encyclopedia . That creates confusion since that essay says very different and almost opposite things. In my opinion, the wikipedia community should edit this article and make it more in conformity with the actual practices of Wikipedia editors. Thanks for your responses -- Kmoksha (talk) 07:04, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

At the risk of being repetitive, Kmoksha, let me say again that WP:Wikipedia is a mainstream encyclopedia is not an article, not a guideline and not a policy. It is an essay written over eleven years ago. Any editor can write an essay, good or bad. It is rarely cited and very few pages link to it. Discussion on its talk page ended in 2016. I see no evidence that is is highly regarded by large numbers of editors. I suggest that you forget about it. As for your other point, there is no need that a source is "highly acclaimed". An academic journal published by a respected university will probably be a very reliable source but unknown outside that particular academic discipline. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 07:21, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Danexit

Hello, is it possible to start an short Article a little faster? (There are 3,733 pending submissions waiting for review currently) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wname1 (talk • contribs) 08:52, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Hello Wname1! This draft is unlikely to pass review, none of the sources mention the word. Guidance at WP:NOTNEO. As to your question, see WP:AUTO and WP:MOVE. But as I said, if you move this article as-is to mainspace, I think it will be moved back or deleted. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:04, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Perhaps you should consider a title more like "Greek withdrawal from the eurozone"? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:09, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

If none of the sources mention the title word, which is quite a specific word, then it really cannot become an article (e.g. unlike Megxit, which is drowning in global WP:RS/P that have the word " Megxit" in the title, but is still a deletion candidate). I am not aware of any Danish withdrawal from the eurozone, but I think that GGS is right that this would need to be the title; and you would need to have high quality sources talking about the subject in detail (e.g. WP:SIGCOV). thanks. Britishfinance (talk) 11:42, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

It would be difficult for Denmark to withdraw from the Eurozone, Britishfinance, because it's not a member! Danish withdrawal from the European Union would be a suitable title, although there are sources available that use Danexit. Cordless Larry (talk) 13:55, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Good point Cordless Larry, (as per the UK, they keep their own currency). There at portmanteaus for almost every member of the EU now (even Frexit), however, I could not find much credible RS for Danexit (in the article, or otherwise); however I was not searching in dan-lang sources (it is not a topic that interests me). thanks. Britishfinance (talk) 14:08, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Details! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:53, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

What to do against fake data?

I've just read the wiki page on FIEDLER Ferenc in English. He was a Hungarian painter who lived in KASSA and BUDAPEST before going to PARIS. He was an ethnic Hungarian born in KASSA in 1921. In that year KASSA was on the territory of Czechoslovakia (Czechoslovakia). So, it's not true/correct to indicated that Mr Friedler was born in "Kosice, Slovakia". Slovakia did not exist in 1921 (Slovakia). We can speak about a truly independent Slovakia as of 1993 only. Unfortunately, Slovaks always try to "change history" for whatever reason. In my opinion the text in English is not correct, therefore it should be corrected as soon as possible. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tassilo5331 (talk • contribs) 12:54, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

There is no Fiedler Ferenc on en-WP, did you type that right? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:59, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Tassilo5331 Please don't accuse other ethnic or national groups as a whole for the actions of any individual. This is a collaborative environment where we all work together building this encyclopedia. I'm not sure what Wikipedia policy is in this general area, but you should discuss any concerns you have with an article on its article talk page. As Slovakia succeeded Czechoslovakia, it doesn't sound incorrect to me, but as I indicated, I don't know what general policy is in this area. We state that Lenin "was born in Streletskaya Ulitsa, Simbirsk (now Ulyanovsk)". Perhaps the article you speak of should say something similar, I don't know- but please discuss the issue with respect for others and collaborate to achieve a consensus as to what the article should say, typically based in Wikipedia policy. 331dot (talk) 13:05, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

I looked around for guidance on that at one point, what I came up with was Template:Infobox person: "Use the name of the birthplace at the time of birth" and Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Capital letters: "If a different name is appropriate in a given historical or other context, then that may be used instead, although it is normal to follow the first occurrence of such a name with the standard modern name in parentheses.". Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:13, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

The article in question appears to be François Fiedler – he probably went by the French as well as the Hungarian form of his first name. (In Hungarian, names are often written Surname Firstname, unlike the English convention.) --bonadea contributions talk 13:23, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

@Tassilo5331: I think you are raising a valid point – the town had been in Austria-Hungary until a couple of years before Fiedler's birth, when it was annexed into Czechoslovakia. The place to discuss this is Talk:François Fiedler, and as 331dot says, please present this as a simple matter of getting the facts right, without any reference to the ethnicity of other editors. --bonadea contributions talk 13:33, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

 Fixed I corrected the article and added a note about the discrepancy. The article could really use some work by someone familiar with how we write artist BLPs. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 15:06, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

How can I get my weekly community newspaper, the Northwest Observer, added to the list of newspapers in North Carolina?

Hi, Since November 1996 I've been publishing a community newspaper which started as a monthly newsletter for the Town of Oak Ridge and evolved over the years into a weekly newspaper covering three municipalities in northwest Guilford County: Oak Ridge, Summerfield and Stokesdale. How can I get my newspaper added to the list of newspapers published in our state? BTW, our website is: www.nwobserver.com and our weekly print circulation is 13,800. Thanks, Patti Stokes, president/CEO of PS Communications and publisher/editor of Northwest Observer— Preceding unsigned comment added by PS Communications, Northwest Observer (talk • contribs)

PS Communications, Northwest Observer Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. First, please review the conflict of interest and paid editing policies as you have some required formal disclosures to make. Regarding what you want to do, list articles like the one you mention are not intended to list every possible member of the list in existence. They are meant to list those with Wikipedia articles- so in order to be listed there, there must be a Wikipedia article about your newspaper. In order for that to happen, your newspaper needs to be shown with significant coverage in independent reliable sources to meet Wikipedia's special definition of a notable organization. In plain English, that means other sources unaffiliated with your newspaper must give significant coverage of of it in order for it to merit a Wikipedia article. For example, The New York Times merits an article because many independent sources have written about The New York Times, not simply because it has a large circulation or readership. If your newspaper does merit an article, you shouldn't be the one to write it, due to your conflict of interest. You can request that others do so at Requested Articles, but there are literally tens of thousands of requests there, so it won't be done quickly. 331dot (talk) 14:42, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Kalos Circle

I write history books about Weiser Idaho. Recently I came across information about a group called the Kalos Circle. They were the women's auxiliary of the Woodmen of the World. I've checked Wikipedia and sites for the Woodmen with no joy. I have six paragraphs from newspapers in 1898 and 1899 discussing activities of the Kalos Circle in Weiser, Idaho. I'll use this information in my book but I feel it is good information and deserves wider distribution than I can provide. How do we make that happen? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Walstonken (talk • contribs) 15:51, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Hello Walstonken and welcome to Wikipedia. WP:EXPERT may be a good starting point for you. Are your books WP:SELFPUBLISHED? We have something of a reluctance to use selfpublished sources, though context matters. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:17, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Walstonken (edit conflict) Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Please understand that Wikipedia is not just for distributing information; this is an encyclopedia, where articles summarize what independent reliable sources state about subjects that meet Wikipedia's special definition of notability. Sources do not need to be online, just publicly accessible(so old newspapers are fine as long as copies are in public hands, like in a library) Wikipedia is not for posting original research, so unlike in writing a book, you could not post your own conclusions or research findings in a Wikipedia article, it could only summarize what the sources say. If you wish to attempt to write an article, you may use Articles for Creation to do so, though you should first read Your First Article and perhaps use the new user tutorial. 331dot (talk) 16:21, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

The Wikipedia article WoodmenLife states that the organization was originally "Woodmen of the World" and the women's auxiliary was Woodmen Circles. David notMD (talk) 01:22, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Question re. brackets

Could someone tell me what the difference between [] and {} is?

I've tried working it out in the sandbox, but they both seem to do the same thing. Grateful for clarification, thanks! Maryanne Cunningham (talk) 17:03, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi Maryanne Cunningham and welcome to the Teahouse. Square brackets are used for internal links to another Wikipedia article. See WP:Internal links. Braces are used for templates like the one I use to notify you at the beginning of my reply. Dbfirs 18:49, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Dbfirs Maryanne Cunningham (talk) 21:15, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

@Maryanne Cunningham: Single square brackets (e.g., [https://foo.bar.com]) produce external links (see WP:EL for policy), while double square brackets (e.g. [[blah]]) produce internal links to Wikipedia (and other wiki projects). Double braces (e.g., {{Cite web}}) are used to transclude templates and other pages. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 21:38, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks AlanM1 Maryanne Cunningham (talk) 21:15, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi again, Maryanne. A pair of square brackets [[ ]] around a word will give you an internal link to another Wikipedia page. It'll be blue if the page exists with that spelling, or red if no page exists here.

• Eg: [[Mont Blanc massif]] gives Mont Blanc massif
• [[Mont Blank massif]] doesn't exist, so gives this red-coloured link: Mont Blank massif

A single square bracket [] is used to link to an external website OR to a full external link to one of our own pages. You put the url first, then ONE SPACE, then the word or phrase to display. Like this link.

Double curly brackets invoke a named template, usually inserting set text. This could be a complex welcome message left on a users talk page, a warning, an infobox in an article, or a simple line of text you don't want to keep repeatedly typing. Thus {{please}} produces this request to sign every post: " (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.)

Finally, you can include certain parameters by means of a vertical pipe character to make a template do certain things, though this is a little tricky to explain. Although I told you when you started how to notify a user, another way to do it is my means of the {{u}} template. Thus, {{u|Maryanne Cunningham}} produces Maryanne Cunningham which ensures you are notified about my reply. Hope this makes some sense. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:00, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Er, um, getting thereNick Moyes. Thanks! Maryanne Cunningham (talk) 21:15, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Becoming an admin

Hi everyone. I am hoping to become a Wikipedia administrator since I like to think of myself as a judge of sorts, and I believe it would look good on my CV as a volunteer activity. I’m just wondering how long it usually takes and how many edits I will have to make. Also, are there certain areas I should focus on? Sorry if I’m asking too many questions - I’m just new here and curious to find out what I need to do. Thanks! - Matt (Moresiva) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moresiva (talk • contribs) 18:51, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

@Moresiva: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Administrators are selected through a process known as an RFA (click the link to learn more). There is no set time or number of edits one needs to make in order to become an administrator. It all depends on the quality of the contributions, not the quantity. One way to become an administrator is to focus on what you can do (not what you can't do) as a normal editor and not focus on gaining permissions just to show off. Administrators use their tools to help make Wikipedia a better place. Keep in mind there is more you can do as a normal editor than what you can't do as a normal editor. Some things you can do as a normal editor include fighting vandalism, fixing typos, and much more. Check out the community portal for more tasks you can do. I also suggest reading WP:Contributing to Wikipedia to learn more how to improve this wonderful encyclopedia without administrator rights. I hope this helps and please come back here or drop a note on my talk page if you have any more questions. Interstellarity (talk) 19:06, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

@Moresiva: Being an administrator just means that one has some extra buttons that would be irresponsible to give to the whole community. I'm not entirely sure it would merit inclusion on a CV. It mostly involves routine tasks and evaluating community consensus; it doesn't actually involve the administrator making judgments or decisions in most cases. As noted, going out from the start to obtain administrator rights looks like you are just showing off-(and you state your primary reason for wanting to be one is to put on your CV/resume) just concentrate on being a good editor and if in the course of your editing you find that having admin powers would be beneficial, then you can look at being nominated. I didn't seek out admin powers until other editors thought that I would make good use of them. 331dot (talk) 19:13, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

(ec) Something far above 10,000 edits and about four years of editing could be good enough, your first step will be to get "patrol" User rights, IIRC that's automatical unless you successfully request an earlier "promotion". These rights mostly mean "spam fighting as a hobby", no special bragging rights. Also see Special:ListGroupRights. –84.46.53.221 (talk) 19:17, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Theroad posted on your Talk page a guide to advice on being an editor (everything that is blue is a link). Welcome to Wikipedia. David notMD (talk) 01:28, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Something I would like to know

Is it okay if I add categories to articles without using HotCat?

-Prana1111 (talk) 20:19, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Prana1111, Yes, you may. HotCat makes it easier, but it can be done manually without. Captain Eek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 20:28, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

My draft was declined :(

I'm fairly new to making new Wikipedia articles. Anyone help me out with it? meowmeow \S-) (talk) 20:31, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Please always wikilink what you are talking about, e.g., [[Draft:Young Scientist Programme]] is rendered as Draft:Young Scientist Programme. Some ideas, "ambitious" is a WP:PEACOCK term, drop it unless you have reliable sources using it, then you can quote it. The layout of the draft with images is nice, I haven't read the text or checked your sources, but India Today is a "thing" (enwiki page exists, blue link), wikilink it in all references. –84.46.53.221 (talk) 20:50, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Aadarshashutosh, Phrases like "programme was aimed to inculcate and nurture space research fervour in young minds" are definitely promotional and should be made more neutral in tone. The aims and activities section should is in the future tense, which doesn't quite make sense. Another issue, I think the draft probably needs higher quality sources. Careers 360 doesn't strike me as reliable. The Organization's own website is not independent. Captain Eek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 01:18, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Clothing retailers of Canada

Hello. I googled and read this article because of so many recent retailers closing. I am wondering how someone could add Strong Canadian retailers who are absent from the list? Comark,is the parent company to all three Bootlegger, Rickis and Cleo who are All Canadian and have been around for a significant time, 80 years for Rickis last year. Any advise how I can get these retailers added to the list is appreciated? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.65.86.11 (talk • contribs) 21:09, 12 Januay 2020 (UTC)

Hi, 50.65.86.11, and welcome to the Teahouse. Every Wikipedia article has a talk page, which you can reach though a tab at the top of the article page, and that is usually the best place to suggest changes to a specific article. If the article you mean is List of Canadian clothing store chains, the talk page is at Talk:List of Canadian clothing store chains. Many list articles list only things that have existing Wikipedia articles about them, so you might check whether there are articles about the retailers you'd like to include, first. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 21:21, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

NEED HELP!

How can put tables, pictures and different sections in my article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Têêłînj ßœ ß-Sôul (talk • contribs) 22:20, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

@Têêłînj ßœ ß-Sôul: Maybe your article should have textual content before you worry about adding that stuff? In other words, maybe you should write an article before you make it a fancy article? Ian.thomson (talk) 22:25, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

WikiProject History needs people

Hi everyone. I am the new coordinator for WikiProject History. we need people there!! right now the project seems to be semi-inactive. I am going to various WikiProjects whose topics overlap with ours, to request volunteers.

• If you have any experience at all with standard WikiProject processes such as quality assessment, article help, asking questions, feel free to come by and get involved.

• and if you have NO Experience, but just want to come by and get involved, feel free to do so!!!

• For anyone who wants to get involved, please come by and add your name at our talk page, at our talk page section: WikiProject History needs you!!!!

• Alternately, if you have any interest at all, feel free to reply right here, on this talk page. please ping me when you do so, by typing {{ping|sm8900}} in your reply.

we welcome your input. thanks!! --Sm8900 (talk) 20:46, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

@Sm8900: What topic are you most in need of for your project? Eclipsefc (talk) 23:09, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

hi. Good question. However I’m just a facilitator. I found this wikiproject and saw it was basically inactive. It seems like something people might need, given its basic topicality. I’m leaving it up to the community to let me know what people might feel is most needed, if anything. Thanks!!! —Sm8900 (talk) 23:29, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

On copyright issues in a page

Hi there -

I've been putting together a biography page of someone - Draft:Ivan_Gaal

Current status is I have copyright issues, taking info from another page.

I have put a copyright exemption notice on the offending page http://www.innersense.com.au/mif/gaal.html and noted this on this Talk page - Draft_talk:Ivan_Gaal

I did this 2 months ago.

My basic question is - do I need to do anything else ? Is this a normal wait period for this small adjustment ?

Thanks, Bill Bmous63 (talk) 01:17, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Hello there, Bill and welcome to the Teahouse. If a page that you use as a Reliable Source contains a CC-BY-SA licence declaration, then you are free to use that content on Wikipedia. The problem is that the source (your own website) doesn't seem at first glance to meet the criteria of a reliable source, as it looks to me to be a personally maintained website, written and owned by yourself, without any editorial board of control. I'm afraid we don't accept personal blogs, websites and social media as reliable sources, I'm afraid, especially if they are being used to establish notability. I don't know whether you might have a Conflict of Interest in possibly knowing this person, but if you do, you really should declare it on your user page. Even now that you've put a CC licence on that page, it might be best simply to rewrite the text in a new way just for Wikipedia. But I see that you have now met the conditions of the third bullet point in the copyright notice issued on your talk page last November - so that's great.

If you want to get the article accepted, try to remember that this is an encyclopaedia of notable subjects. Cut out the petty contents about winning his local bowls club competition - put frankly: nobody cares. Never say in the lead that he's an 'award-winning' this or that (that's just vague waffle)- tell us what notable award(s) he has actually won. This will (hopefully) show reviewers that he is notable, and mention of his Olympic participation sounds a likely candidate for that - but the link is a 404 dead link, so who knows what he did? The style of writing you have used is a bit too chatty, and not encyclopaedic enough. When you say '...to this day' how do you think that will read in 20 years time? Sorry I can't give a more detailed review, but I hope this reply is of some use. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 02:19, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia presents articles on the 8th, 11th, 19th, and 20th centuries in science. I propose that Wikipedia present comparable summaries of science in the 12th through the 18th centuries. Thanks for giving the opportunity to propose this idea! RW

Wikipedia presents articles on the 8th, 11th, 19th, and 20th centuries in science. I propose that Wikipedia present comparable summaries of science in the 12th through the 18th centuries. Thanks for giving the opportunity to propose this idea! RW — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dachluft (talk • contribs) 01:59, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

@Dachluft: You can find a simple set of instructions on how to write an article that won't be rejected or deleted in this link. Ian.thomson (talk) 03:05, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Sources

Hi. I created a page, Jean-Sim Ashman, and it was not accepted. I’m having a hard time creating the page so that it meets Wikipedia’s guidelines. Can someone help me? I was told that the sources were not independent but I believe they are. These are sources about the author and I didn’t get the information from the author’s personal website. These sources are publications.

Any help would be great! Thanks!

Here is the page

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Jl1121 (talk • contribs) 02:07, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Jl1121. Reading the rationale for why your short article was declined, it's not so much about the quality of the sources, it's about a failure of any of those sources to demonstrate how that person meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability. None of the sources you have used show that the world at large (i.e. independent sources) has written about her in depth. They are mostly personal interviews, book cover notes and IMDB entries, which are not sufficient, and not independent. If they were, I would have a page here about myself as I, too, am a published author. You will need to find much better sources if you stand any hope of putting such a page on Wikipedia. See also this Wikipedia criteria for notability of creative people. I recommend you read this essay (shortcut: WP:TOOSOON) as it's something that gives people like me a glimmer of hope that one day, maybe one day we might be notable enough at some point in the future. But I'm not counting my chickens!) Sorry this isn't what you want to hear. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~.) Nick Moyes (talk) 02:32, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Confused about reliable sources

Hello,

I recently checked a submission and found it was rejected because I didn't adequately provide reliable sources but I'm confused as why there were not reliable. I'm a bit confused if the sources aren't "reliable" or if I didn't reference correctly. I would like to resubmit but would like to get some help to do so so I don't waste my or anybody else's time.

The article in question: Draft:Blue Sky Architecture

Thank you for your help! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Quettal (talk • contribs) 04:10, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

One of the review comments, which you did not address, said "Please help our volunteer reviewers by identifying, on the draft's talk page, the WP:THREE best sources that establish notability of the subject." --David Biddulph (talk) 04:26, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

QR codes as image for links

I saw on Saint Francis of Assisi College that a QR code is used for a link to some website. Isn't this why there is [link_to_website]? Is this form of including a link a desired form of doing it. I question if this integration is reasonable. On PC and Laptops you would need a QR code scanner like your smartphone to get to the website. On your smartphone you may even need a second device to open the link. Either way, on both devices a link is more than enough. A potential problem I see here is that you can not view the link before scanning it. So you could hide a spam or virus infected website behind the code. Or use a redirect service like bitly.com or cutt.ly and guide people to malicious websites. Is there any consense or guideline on Wikipedia about that that? --193.171.152.104 (talk) 07:44, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for noticing this, IP editor. I have removed the inappropriate QR code. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 07:56, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

@Cullen328: OK, I was actually hoping for a yes/no answer here. Are QR in general allowed on Wikipedia or not? --193.171.152.104 (talk) 07:59, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

I have been editing Wikipedia for almost 11 years and I am an administrator. I have never before seen QR codes used in this manner in a Wikipedia article and would remove them on sight for the reasons you stated originally. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 08:03, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for the help and your quick answer! --193.171.152.103 (talk) 08:09, 13 January 2020 (UTC) (BTW. x.103 and x.104 are the same. They switch for weired ISP rules)

Suggestion a slight change to a Wiki diagram:

Is it possible to contact Wiki moderator "Gaeanautes" about a useful diagram that was added to the Article about "Limits To Growth"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.140.101.140 (talk) 09:26, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

User:Gaeanautes is not an administrator (we don't call them moderators). To contact any Wikipedia editor, you can start a new section on the editor's user talk page. --David Biddulph (talk) 09:37, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, IP editor, and welcome to the Teahouse. you could contact Gaeanautes at User talk:Gaeanautes, but I note that Gaeanautes has not saved any edits since last October.

The better place to make comments on how that article might be improved would be at Talk:The Limits to Growth, which is the page for discussing how to improve that article, open to all interested editors.

By the way, Gaeanautes is not an admin, which is the closest Wikipedia has to a "moderator" although it is not really the same thing. For most editing, all editors are equal and an admin has no special authority. Admins delete pages when there is community consensus to do so, block users who are violating policy in a way that has harmed and is likely to continue to harm the project, and try to clean up messes. That is why the official nickname for an admin is a "Janitor", and the symbol of an admin is a mop. See WP:ADMIN for more info. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 09:41, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Border posts between Northern Namibia and Southern Angola

There are 7 border posts as per subject above.

Katwiti can be added +- 17 deg 39 min south (latitude)  

I was instrumental as a Geomatic Engineer & Professional Project Manager of the road C45, hence we past the border patrol turnoff frequently. > Rundu to Eenhana.

Please request more info if needed.

Peter f Spronk. BSc > Geomatics (University of Cape Town) > Cape Peninsula University of Technology Geomatics[survey] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 154.119.33.10 (talk) 10:20, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Are you inquiring about a certain article? 331dot (talk) 10:23, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

submitting article about a person

Hi,

Many thanks for having this opportunity to ask questions here guys! I would like to write a biography about my grandfather, without him, Leni Riefenstahl's film Tiefland (Tiefland (film)) would have not happened. I know little about my grandfather Josef Plesner, and I am in touch with the Austrian film institution to find out more. My article draft has been rejected as I could not prove the significance of the person. He has done outstanding and groundbreaking work in nature documentaries as well as producing and filming the 2 important pieces of German/Austrian post-war (filmed during war partly) films Tiefland and Bergkristall (mountain crystal). At a time where it was nearly impossible to pay for film rolls and production, he spent all his money on making movies.

Thanks for your help, Alexandra — Preceding unsigned comment added by AlexandraSarcletti (talk • contribs) 10:38, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

• You need to find reliable sources that reported on him as a person. Although I would recommend against trying to create an article on him without help from another editor, as is not usually a good idea to write an article about someone you know, since you may not be able to remain neutral. ^{[Username Needed]} 10:47, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

• @AlexandraSarcletti: Please also note that words like "outstanding", "groundbreaking", and even "important", are indicative of the NPOV problem that often appears when writing about a subject with whom you have a relationship (see WP:COI). Unless multiple sources characterize the work in this way, the article shouldn't use such terms. Even if multiple sources do use such flowery language, it should only be used sparingly here, and attributed to those sources. This is part of maintaining a neutral, encyclopedic tone. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 12:51, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
• @AlanM1: that is very helpful thank you. I am a story teller so writing in neutral language will be quite a challenge. Personal relationship or not. I will learn as I go along. I am currently trying to piece together the biography. The contribution to the film industry and culture are undeniable. But I do lack references as post war has made it difficult to find reliable sources in digital. What if I find written or printed evidence? For example, I do have a handwritten note by Leni Riefenstahl, where she thanks my grandfather. But how would that work to digitalise it - upload on Wikimedia Commons? --AlexandraSarcletti (talk) 16:29, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
• You can find some sources on the German wikipedia articles w:de:Tiefland (Film) and w:de:Josef Plesner. You can ask English questions on the relevant talk pages, w:de:Talk:Tiefland (Film) + w:de:Talk:Josef Plesner, it's "Diskussion" instead of "Talk" on dewiki, but otherwise the same idea. @Others, I'm not up to date with the current procedures for a "transwiki" or Special:Import of w:de:Josef Plesner, but the German article is short enough to try a translation. –84.46.53.221 (talk) 14:01, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

  Just my 2 cents here: one needs to keep in mind here that different Wikipedias have different ways of doing things and judging if an article can be written and kept or not. The fact that an article exists in one Wikipedia does not guarantee there can be an article in different Wikipedia. Looking at the sources in the de:Josef Plesner article: citing imdb, e.g., is covered here. And passing mentions alone will not confer notability. Lectonar (talk) 14:18, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

(ec) I'm afraid it's not enough information in the dewiki article to reach the WP:N threshold and make even a stub at enwiki. Here's a Google's translation:

Josef Plesner (born January 13, 1911 in Ernstbrunn, Lower Austria, † October 30, 1993 in Kufstein, Tyrol) was an Austrian film producer and cameraman.

He has made a name for himself in the genres: cultural film and nature film, local film and mountain film. He was also the founder and head of the Plesner Film production company.

plus a filmography. Just dates and places of birth and death, his profession and names of movie art streams do not warrant an article, IMVHO. --CiaPan (talk) 14:21, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

(ec) Yes, I'm always excited if I see a possible technical adventure, here Help:Transwiki ending up on m:Help:Transwiki, but Plesner and w:de:Bergkristall (1949) aren't very helpful. OTOH w:de:Tiefland (Film) has some references and could be notable here, and that would allow AlexandraSarcletti to create a redirect for her grandfather to the film. –84.46.53.221 (talk) 14:39, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

See Tiefland (film). Lectonar (talk) 14:47, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

And Mountain Crystal. Lectonar (talk) 14:48, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Problem solved, next TEAHOUSE adventure stop for the OP is WP:AFC/Redirects to request a redirect. –84.46.53.221 (talk) 14:58, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

• Google translate for once is surprisingly correct :). Lectonar (talk) 14:31, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

@Lectonar: Google translate these days is pretty good. Thank you I did not know that articles on one Wiki page are not autmatically ok to go out on all languages. I know his work is notable - especially Tiefland, but how can I reference that correctly, given that there are hardly any digital sources but the IMDB entry: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0687205/bio --AlexandraSarcletti (talk) 16:29, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

@AlexandraSarcletti: WP:FILMMAKER isn't obvious for your grandfather, but you are of course free to start a draft anyway. IMDb would go to an "external links" section of the biography and doesn't count towards WP:THREE (not a policy, only a rule of thumb.) –84.46.53.221 (talk) 17:48, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

AlexandraSarcletti There is no requirement that sources be digital or findable online. However (at least on this Wikipedia) there is a requirement that they be published. A printed book, magazine or newspaper article is fine. Give the title of the book or article, and the name of any publication in which it is included (for an article). Give the publication date. Give the page number or numbers. Give the author if known. Possibly include a short quote (use |quote= if using a citation template such as {{cite book}}, {{cite news}} or {{cite magazine}}). Such a quote can include the key sentence(s) from the source on which the Wikipedia entry is relying.A handwritten note would not be acceptable, unless it had previously been published elsewhere. Cite only reliable sources. I hope that is helpful. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 17:54, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Speedy deletion

Hi Team ,

Why was my Wikipedia page deleted? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Auisytech (talk • contribs) 12:58, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

@Auisytech: I am unable to view deleted pages so I can't give you a detailed explanation of what the issues were. However, it was tagged as being 'unambiguous advertising' and 'containing writings not closely aligned to Wikipedia's goals'. Based on those, I would suspect that you created a page which came across as solely promotional and not a sincere attempt to draft an encyclopedia article.

(Auisytech actually appears to be blocked now, but I thought I'd reply anyway so that at least they have an answer to their question.) Hug^syrup 13:17, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

At the moment the only page you could still edit using your blocked account is your user talk page, you'll find an explanation there. It's also the only good place to ask further questions about this incident, just creating another account without an indication that you understood the problem can get you blocked again, because it could be interpreted as "block evasion". Not logging in (like me, editing as IP) can also backfire for the same reason (block evasion). –84.46.53.221 (talk) 13:39, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

I looked at the deleted sandbox, and it includes such text as We enhance life and communication efficiency through a better-connected world, acting as a responsible corporate citizen, an innovative enabler for the information society, and a collaborative contributor to the industry. The tone of the rest is similar. It is a classic work of corporate promotion as it is often attempted on Wikipedia, and I fully agree with the G11 deletion. It also has a tone not uncommon in paid editing. I make no accusations, but that thought is likely to be in the mind of any admin reviewing an unblock request by Auisytech. It should be addressed, in my view, for an unblock to be successful. Have a look at the section below. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 16:47, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Paid Contributions at Wikipedia

Hi, I am writing content for Wikipedia in exchange for payment. The disclosures are given on my user talk page and the talk pages of the drafts I am submitting. However, each page gets flagged or tagged for content even when they are written in accordance with Wikipedia guidelines for notability, independent and reliable sources, and neutrality. I even refer to other articles published in the same category to ensure that the drafts are up to the mark with what has been accepted by the Wikipedia community.

Is it true that the editors/moderators here are unusually rigid about paid content and would not let anything pass no matter what you do to comply with Wikipedia and its community guidelines and rules? Ashley.Bell (talk) 15:42, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

@AshleyBell208 really? — Preceding unsigned comment added by AlexandraSarcletti (talk • contribs) 16:05, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

@AshleyBell208: I am not sure what you mean by 'unusually' rigid since it depends what is usual - are you comparing en.wiki to other language wikipedias? Or to other websites entirely? So, I can't really answer if editors are unusually rigid but I would certainly say that we are pretty rigid about paid content. Many editors and admins, myself among them, see the proliferation of paid content (even when suitably declared) as a substantial threat to the integrity of Wikipedia as a serious, balanced and unbiased encyclopedia, so it will tend to be reviewed very, very closely. To put another spin on it, you are making money out of doing what we do as a hobby, so you can't be too surprised if we hold you to a pretty high standard. As for whether editors will not let anything pass: no, I have not seen that to be the case. Plenty of articles do exist that have been created or edited for payment. As for flagging and tagging, a huge number of articles have some kind of tag on them so I wouldn't take that too personally and, as I say, paid articles are held to a high standard - just because you believe you have complied with all Wikipedia policies does not, I'm afraid, mean that others will agree. Indeed, I hate to say it, but by 'referring to other articles passed in the same category' you are in fact failing to be aware of a very useful Wikipedia essay called Wikipedia:Other stuff exists, so I wouldn't set too much store by that. Hug^syrup 16:08, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, AshleyBell208, and welcome to the Teahouse. The answer is mostly yes, and mostly no. Many, but not all experienced editors. and a number of admins do tend to be stricter than usual in assessing contributions from disclosed paid editors. Few would not let anything pass no matter what, and doing that, that is failing to approve (and instead declining or rejecting) a clearly valid draft, or declining valid edit requests properly supported by high-quality sources, would be in my view against policy. However, there is a wide range of judgement, of just how strictly to construe the various content policies, and as long as a reviewer stays inside that line, s/he may choose to be more strict with paid editors. It is a fact that paid editors often do exhibit bias towards there clients, and write overly promotional articles, or ones of dubious notability (although perhaps not more than fans of "up and coming" bands). The rule about a paid editor not editing directly in mainspace, and instead using AfC and paid edit requests is being enforced significantly more strictly now than nit was, say two years ago, and a lot more strictly than it was 10 years ago; back in 2010 it really was a "suggestion". By now I think it should be taken as a requirement. I may propose rewriting for clarity. (The exception is fixing clear vandalism, and correcting non-controversial factual errors, such as the name of a new CEO, or the spelling of the city in which a company has its HQ.)

I have read the msgs on your talk page, but I have not (as yet) reviewed your work, and cannot judge the quality of the article or the accuracy of the comments. I tend to be more sympathetic to disclosed paid editors than many admins, but even I normally advise people (if they ask) not to use such services. See WP:BOGO for an essay describing the views of some on this subject. See also my comments on the talk page at Wikipedia talk:Buy one, get one free#Oppose this concept. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 16:33, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Is this about the article with the title Nicholas Porter Earp. It seems to be more about the family history. Dbfirs 16:40, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

• @AshleyBell208: Although the question was asked generally, I looked at the particular case of Draft:Ibrahim_S._Quraishi_(visual_artist), which I assume to be the one which prompted the question. There were significant tone and copyright issues in former revisions; the current one seems fine on that front.

Unfortunately, that is not quite enough to have a Wikipedia article. First of all, all information needs to be properly verifiable, that is, cited to reliable sources validating what is in the Wikipedia article; I would usually not insist on this but one of the reviews specifically cited a failed verification. Furthermore, you need to demonstrate that the person is "notable", which means not "worthy of being noted" but "has been talked/written about at length by multiple independent and reliable sources". (In the case of artists, that is usually highly correlated with the criteria listed at WP:NARTIST.) Skimming through the sources, I see only the welt.de article that could rise to that threshold.

All in all, maybe the reviewers gave you a harder time because of paid editing status, maybe not; maybe the reason for the decline was incorrect, but declining was clearly the proper course of action. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 16:52, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Verification failed is pretty serious, that requires emergency fixes. Please use {{cite web}} for online references, free style without links doesn't cut it. I've added one URL to your references, you'll find millions of correct {{cite web}} references on enwiki, it's no rocket science. Also wikilink the publisher whenever possible, e.g., I know what Die Welt is, others don't, and without wikilink Die Welt looks like "yet another unreliable source". –84.46.53.221 (talk) 17:12, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

84.46.53.221, that is rather overstated. "Verification failed" is significant, but little more so than "citation needed". Sometimes it means that an online source has changed and no longer says what it once did. Sometimes it means that the would-be verifier made a mistake. More often it means that the editor who provided the source misunderstood just what the source actually supported. Sometimes it means that someone added additional statements that s/he thought correct but were not supported by the cite already in place. Unless the unsupported statement is a negative or controversial one in a biography (or other article about a living person), or a controversial quotation, it is not an emergency matter like a copyright violation. Few things are emergencies in Wikipedia editing, see WP:NORUSH. There is time to get it right, and we should. Also see WP:CITEVAR, templated citations are absolutely not required, and any attempt to require them is in direct violation of policy. A given article should be consistent in citation style, but a new draft can use any sufficient style the author pleases (bare URLs are not sufficient, but manual cites can well be). @AshleyBell208: DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 23:52, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Oh and there is no requirement that sources be online, or linked, or in English, or available free of charge. When this is easy it is generally preferable, but not at the cost of using a poorer source. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 23:55, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

If it's online a link can simplify the verification, for the URL added by me a page with ~50 persons incl. the visual artist. I like to see if a reference has an authorlink (ideal), a date/year, an author, a work/website/publisher/work+publisher (ideally wikilinked, we discussed this recently), an url (for cite web), and a title. It's not hard to get that effect without a template, but with a template it's additionally not easy to get it wrong. –84.46.53.221 (talk) 01:38, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

@AshleyBell208: I'd like to stress the last paragraph in DESiegel's response above: more sympathetic to disclosed paid editors. Those who review new article content are particularly adept at recognizing promotional content because so much of it is submitted, it's not hard to recognize the pattern after about the tenth one (sadly, that might be 10% of the weekly volume)^{[citation needed]}. Regardless of disclosure, such content will in all likelihood be found and rejected. Disclosing paid status, though, will definitely earn some benefit of the doubt in close calls, and it's the "right" thing to do, too, if you care about the goals of Wikipedia (which is expected of you by the community of unpaid volunteer editors). —[AlanM1(talk)]— 22:25, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

TriArtisan Capital

Hello!

I am a finance student, and will be writing a few articles about private equity firms. Can you please help me with the draft for TriArtisan Capital?

I will also be writing about a few other middle market firms, too, and hoping you can help me write good articles! — Preceding unsigned comment added by WallStGuy (talk • contribs) 17:14, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

WallStGuy, As common courtesy, we usually provide a wikilink to the target article. I will do so for you: Draft:TriArtisan Capital MoonyTheDwarf (Braden N.) (talk) 17:21, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

When a draft has been Declined, that information is required to stay with the draft until it is accepted. The reviewer provided guidance on why it was declined. I restored your deletion of the Declined decision. The (volunteer) editors here at Teahouse advise on Wikipedia, but are not generally here to improve drafts. Except sometimes to cut stuff. Please use your experiences in trying to create your first article improve your understanding of Wikipedia before essaying other new articles. David notMD (talk) 17:28, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Hello, WallStGuy and welcome to the Teahouse. One thing to remember is that Wikipedia is basically completely uninterested in what the subject of an article say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. This means, for example, that the Nation's Restaurant News item, which begins "Investment firms TriArtisan Capital Advisors LLC and Paulson & Co. Inc. announced" is irrelevant to the draft Draft:TriArtisan Capital: the reference shouldn't be cited, and the information about P F Chang should not appear in the article unless you can find an independent source. (I have overstated the case slightly: in some circumstances, uncontroversial factual data like dates and addresses may be sourced from non-independent sources; but the bulk of the material in an article should be cited to independent sources, and anything which might appear to be promotional in character - including naming products, clients or subsidiaries - certainly should be). --ColinFine (talk) 18:19, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi WallStGuy - I made some changes to better help your article succeed and demonstrate that the firm is notable. If I were you, I'd beef up the history, including putting in coverage of their more notable acquisitions. Look at Toba Capital as an example. There's some good info here in reliable sources [[1]] [[2]] [[3]] [[4]] (last one is paywalled). You'll also want to start a user page with a sentence about your interests, so your name isn't redlinked. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 19:32, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

add external links on Cygwin page

How do I discuss how to better include the reverted references of relevant citations with the editor? 24.64.172.44 (talk) 19:48, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

@24.64.172.44: Use the articles talk page. Include a {{ping | user name}} at the start to show who you're talking to. Brian R Hunter (talk) 20:00, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The article talk page is the place to discuss any improvements to articles that you are not comfortable doing by yourself. Interstellarity (talk) 20:00, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Ongoing issues

Hi All...

I keep making edits to reflect the necessary changes, yet no progress is made. (Also, somehow, something was deleted before approval, but I added it back.) I am more than a little confused about why something so basic (and so short) is causing such a problem. It woould be great to get some insight into this, and I appreciate those who might be able to help me.

Link: Draft:Lee_Olesky

(Wpearce1983 (talk) 22:59, 13 January 2020 (UTC))

Hello, Wpearce1983, and welcome to the Teahouyse. Actually, it is my impression that things are making progress with Draft:Lee_Olesky, and in fact it is getting close to the approval level. I just made a few edits, one to improve how a wiki-link recently added was used, and a couple to improv how citations are being done. Take a look at what I did, please, and try similar changes mon the other refs. While I wouldn't agree with one reviewer that basic early biographical data must be sourced -- that isn't what our verifiability policy says, it is often easy to source and it is good to do so if possible. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 00:28, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Thoughts on how to/should I add a Section

Hello!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Consulting_Group

I think this page could be more informative with inclusion of clients, such as the relationship to Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman : <ref>https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/04/world/middleeast/mckinsey-bcg-booz-allen-saudi-khashoggi.html<ref>

and promoting a private college network liquidated for fraud: <ref>https://www.smh.com.au/business/workplace/tafe-paid-more-than-90000-for-flawed-boston-consulting-group-report-20160706-gpzpdm.html<ref>

<ref>https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/hundreds-of-millions-lost-from-vocational-scheme-20191206-p53hqk.html<ref>

or a Controversies section similar to the McKinsey page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McKinsey_%26_Company

Any thoughts on how to add or appropriateness? Thanks so much!

Jennifaohjenny (talk) 04:22, 14 January 2020 (UTC)Jennifer

Hello Jennifaohjenny, it looks like the material you have would be appropriate for a Controversies section. Be bold and add it to the article.--Quisqualis (talk) 06:01, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Olympic freestyle wrestler 'Match Results'

Why doesn't the site provide the 'Match Results' and actual 'Scores' for each olympic and world championship match for each US wrestler similar to what was provided for Dan Gable? Thanks for your help and opportunity to improve the site. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WJCRAWFORD12 (talk • contribs) 05:02, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

WJCRAWFORD12, Howdy hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. Ideally we would have match results and scores for every wrestler, but some articles just haven't had someone add them yet. Wikipedia is an all volunteer effort, and unless someone takes it upon themself to make that change, it won't happen. If you'd like to add those missing statistics to wrestler's pages, we can help you figure out how to do that. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 05:54, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

How to Give Barnstar?

Hi Friends, i know it is a silly question i am asking but i am curious about adding Barnstar on someone's profile. I want to know how to add a barnstar? DMySon (talk) 06:14, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Peter’s To Do List

Ok let’s start over. Hi I’m trying to add to the mcu short film section that Peter’s to do list is a short film because it was said so in the dvd release of far from home but no one is adding that it’s a short film when it is. There should be a section for it on the short film page and the main mcu page