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Illnesses

Can we have a section called "Illnesses" under "Personal Life"? Sachi Mohanty 07:42, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Do you see any other WP:BLP page that has such a section? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 07:46, 4 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I've only seen it on pages where the subject is deceased where the sub-section is generally titled Illness and Death. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 20:27, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 22 April 2020

Name correction: Sonia Gandhi Antonia Maino 49.206.10.28 (talk) 13:10, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. —KuyaBriBriTalk 13:50, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
This ref: {{cite book|author=Paranjoy Guha Thakurta, Shankar Raghuraman|title=Divided we stand: India in a time of coalitions |publisher=Los Angeles : SAGE Publications, 2007.|year=2007|page=148|isbn= 978-0-7619-3663-3}} backed it up on the article in 2016. Another source is this India Today story. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 20:29, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Has been included, with a source. Rsrikanth05 (talk) 13:31, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The citation is irrelevant as it is against wikipedia's policy of NPOV Saifullah.vguj (talk) 16:51, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Birth name controversy

The page as should be edit protective to prevent possible vandalism? please do help Saifullah.vguj (talk) 16:50, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I notice that an alleged birth name "Edvige Antonia Albina Maino" has been added. This is not the first name time this claim has been made. The last time, it was:

The first time this kind of thing happened was in 2004-2005:

The talk page archives have an exchange Talk:Sonia Gandhi/Archive 3#Real Name?, where it has been said that this was a WP:HOAX generated by Wikipedia itself, because no source making this claim before 2006 has been found.

I don't regard the new Free Press Journal article as a reliable source because, firstly WP:NEWSORGs are only reliable for news, not for historical matters, and secondly the article is simply reporting that Britannica says X and the BBC News says Y. So, nothing useful comes out of this citation. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 23:52, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. The FPJ source simply states what other websites are saying. This could very well have been a case of one single website/journalist picking up the name from wiki (around the mid-2000s) and the others following suit. That's possibly how it also ended up on the (February 2008) Britannica article or wherever. No erudition or books refer to her using the Antonia name. This is one of the few pre-2006 source talking about her name and the one that they use is Sonia. VedantTalk 11:02, 27 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Kautilya3, I found many results online for the name, "Antonia Maino", but is there any reliable source for the Antonia Maino name which can be used in this article or are you totally against the use of that name (I observed that you have been removing that name repeatedly)? Venue9 (talk) 03:53, 2 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Venu9, it seems that you are not reading the above discussion with a clear head and understanding what it says. I have put it in bold face for you now.-- Kautilya3 (talk) 11:09, 2 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
RegentsPark, Vanamonde93, according to the arguments of Kautilya3 above and in the next section, the name, "Antonia Maino" was a WP:HOAX generated by Wikipedia itself, because no source making this claim before 2006 has been found. However, many sources can be found which prove that Sonia Gandhi's original name is Antonia Maino [right now]. Some sources like Encyclopaedia Britannica and "free press journal" have been rejected as sources although they have been cited as references in other Wikipedia articles. Now please tell me how to add this original name of "Antonia Maino" to this article? Venue9 (talk) 14:23, 2 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I think I have found the origin of the two names that are being bandied about:

  • The name "Antonia Maino" was apparently revealed (if that is the correct word) by Jayalalithaa, in a press conference in 2002.[1]
  • The name "Edvige Antonia Albina Maino" was cretead by Javier Moro in a "fictionalised biography" called Red Sari.[2]

So, at least we know that Wikipedia did not generate this hoax. I am relieved. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 09:02, 3 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

And I believe both the names are fictitious. An Outlook reporter, who interviewed Sonia Gandhi's father in 1977, had no hint that she had any name other than "Sonia".[3] -- Kautilya3 (talk) 09:10, 3 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Kautilya3, So do you think we still need to redirect names such as Antonia maino, Antonia Maino, Sonia Maino, Edvige Antonia Albina Maino, Edvige Antonia Albina Màino, Antonia Màino to Sonia Gandhi?- Akhiljaxxn (talk) 09:28, 3 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Akhiljaxxn, Sonia Maino is fine as it is her maiden name. All the others should go. The spread of this hoax has reached frightening proportions. So please do nominate them for deletion. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 10:32, 3 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Priya Sahgal, Original Article: Jaya's tirade against Sonia's Italian background warms the cockles of the swadeshi brigade More Coverage, Outlook, 16 September 2002.
  2. ^ Jason Burke, Sonia Gandhi book finally released after decline of India’s Congress party, The Guardian, 23 January 2015.
  3. ^ Jawid Laiq, Meeting Mr Maino, Outlook, 23 February 1998. Direct quote from her father: "After Sonia's marriage, everyone thinks we have got rich. But the marriage has been an expensive thing for us."

Alleged sources

You have to find a reliable source published before 2004, before the Wikipedia HOAX was generated. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 14:37, 2 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Kautilya3, I found 3 reliable sources:-
* S. R. ET AL. BAKSHI (1998) Sonia Gandhi, The President of AICC South Asia Books. ISBN 8170249880
* Rupa Chaterjee (1999) Sonia Gandhi: The Lady in Shadow Butala. ISBN 8187277025
* C. Rupa, Rupa Chaterjee (2000) Sonia Mystique South Asia Books. ISBN 8185870241
Can we add her original name (Edvige Antonia Albina Maino) to this article now?Venue9 (talk) 17:31, 2 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You haven't said what these people say. Please provide page numbers and quotations. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 19:14, 2 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

They say that her original name is "Edvige Antonia Albina Maino". In the first reference cited, it is on page 15, in the second reference cited, it is on page 9 and in the 3rd reference cited, it is on page 10.Venue9 (talk) 02:57, 3 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Quotation: "Her original name is "Edvige Antonia Albina Maino".Venue9 (talk) 03:01, 3 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I have reviewed the first source, and it failed the verification.- Akhiljaxxn (talk) 06:17, 3 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Akhiljaxxn, can you search with just the name Antonia? Please also confirm the exact name and page numbers in the other 2 sources. Thanks.Venue9 (talk) 07:18, 3 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
There is no mention of any Maino name on page 15 that you mentioned. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 07:34, 3 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I copied those references from [here].
Pg.117 of "Sonia Gandhi" by Arun Bhanot, Mahesh Sharma says, "But she applied for Indian citizenship by the original name of Antonia Maino" Venue9 (talk) 07:37, 3 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Pg.45 of "Silver Linings" by Nikila Srinivasan says "Born into an Italian family as Antonia Maino......"Venue9 (talk) 07:47, 3 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Pg.8 of "Assembly Elections, 2003, Parliamentary Elections, 2004: Implications" says "What has catalysed the turnaround seems to have more to do with plain politics than the realisation that Gandhi, born Antonia Maino in Turin in Italy....."Venue9 (talk) 07:54, 3 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Pg.13 of "Janata, Volume 57" says, ".....only Sonia Gandhi ( nee resurgence , it is because of the acts people - centric government will Antonia Maino )....."Venue9 (talk) 08:03, 3 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
​​I think you got what I am trying to say - there are many sources we can use.Venue9 (talk) 08:03, 3 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, since you have been misrepresenting sources, we can't take you seriously any more. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 08:51, 3 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
​​​​​​​Kautilya, I am new here, so if it seemed like that, I am sorry. You say, "So, at least we know that Wikipedia did not generate this hoax. I am relieved", so it should be OK to add her original name to this article now citing the reliable sources above, right?
We can also use the Encyclopedia Britannica, at https://www.britannica.com/biography/Sonia-Gandhi now.Venue9 (talk) 09:59, 3 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Venue9 First let me tell you here is wikiwand, a mirror/sister site. So, it seems like its wiki generated hoax, after all those citations does not mention any such thing as mentioned by Akhiljaxxn. I just wonder if Tavleen Singh ever mentioned such in her books or any article column. Let me know if any one able to get such. For such thing RTI would be a great option for those who are claiming such, I wonder why till now they did not file any. Dey subrata (talk) 10:30, 3 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That is very interesting. This wikiwand page gives just the lead and the three books produced by Venue9. But its Google translate [1] gives essentially our page. Is Google playing tricks on us? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 10:59, 3 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The Italian Wiki page has been created in 2018 with the fictitious name in the lead. Perhaps Akhiljaxxn can take care of it? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 11:29, 3 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I think the Wikiwand page given by Venue9 is a mirror of Catalan Wikipedia], which I edited a few hours ago.- Akhiljaxxn (talk) 12:08, 3 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
​​​​​​​​Kautilya, you say, "So, at least we know that Wikipedia did not generate this hoax. I am relieved", so it should be OK to add her original name to this article now citing the reliable sources above, right?Venue9 (talk) 14:01, 3 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 27 April 2020

Please change the full name of Sonia gandhi to her original name Antonio Maino 2406:B400:D1:21C7:2D93:AF10:B3D0:19CB (talk) 03:00, 27 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. GoingBatty (talk) 03:38, 27 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Sonia Gandhi's original name is Edvige Antonia Albina Maino, according to Encyclopedia Britannica, see https://www.britannica.com/biography/Sonia-Gandhi so please add that to the beginning of the article on Sonia Gandhi.Venue9 (talk) 10:41, 1 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
We are not accepting EB is a reliable source for this. Please see the section above called "Birth name controversy". -- Kautilya3 (talk) 10:48, 1 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
GoingBatty, Vanamonde93, RegentsPark, EB has been used as a reliable source on many articles and so I believe her original name should be added to the lead of this article using EB as a source (or any other source). Please add her original name to this article.Venue9 (talk) 14:39, 1 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done. Please establish a consensus for this change before making this edit request. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 14:57, 1 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Net worth

What's the policy on including net worth on political BLPs? I don't think I've seen it a lot. VedantTalk 11:36, 27 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 2 May 2020

Wherever it says just Gandhi in the article, can we change it to Mrs.Gandhi? Venue9 (talk) 18:09, 2 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

​Wikipedia house style is to leave out honorific prefixes, see MOS:MRS. – Thjarkur (talk) 18:18, 2 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It is confusing to use Gandhi, so can we change it to her first name at least?Venue9 (talk) 18:22, 2 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I agree it's confusing, but again it's just the particular style Wikipedia has adopted, MOS:MRS: "a person should generally be referred to by surname only". There are a few other articles we have where both husband and wife are notable, I've always found them to be confusing to read. – Thjarkur (talk) 18:29, 2 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"Edvige Antonia Albina Maino" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Edvige Antonia Albina Maino. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 May 3#Edvige Antonia Albina Maino until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Akhiljaxxn (talk) 11:10, 3 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Please also read the discussion above linked hereVenue9 (talk) 14:13, 3 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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