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Useless Phrase

I deleted the unnecessary phrase "and is difficult for English-speakers to learn." All languages are difficult to learn and I don´t see why English-speakers are singled out. I doubt it is easier for Dutch-speakers, for example, to learn Cherokee than English-speakers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.49.55.253 (talk) 23:04, 8 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Good point. Dexter Nextnumber (talk) 09:30, 22 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
What do you base the declaration that "all languages are difficult to learn" upon? Some languages are easy to learn. Some are harder than others. This is partly subjective, but there is good research that exists on this subject. Also, English is singled out because this is the ENGLISH version of the article. It's not hard to understand why ENGLISH should be relevant to the readers of the article, then, now is it? Have you ever learned another language? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2402:7500:445:5CA4:B18F:F0D8:D6D1:3505 (talk) 16:47, 28 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism

This article was vandalised - somebody swapped out the word "Cherokee" for "retard" in the language box. I went in and deleted most of that, but unfortunately I don't have the knowledge to replace it with the correct information (I came here to learn about it). Hopefully somebody more knowledgeable than I will come along and update it. If not, I'll come back in a few days when time permits and chase up some links to put in the correct information. 75.19.177.127 13:22, 12 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cherokee Phonemes

The current article indicates that the difference between t and d (and k & g likewise) is voicing. However, it seems to me, after reading an article on the Rosetta Project that the phonemic difference is aspiration. Thus,

  • t /tʰ/
  • d /t/
  • k /kʰ/
  • g /k/
  • tl /tˡʰ/
  • dl /tˡ/

This is not to say that these stops are never voiced, it just means that the voicing is not the phonemic difference. Does this seem like a worthy change? If you want to see that article I mentioned, it's at the Rosetta Project (that link should work).

-Benjamin

There is no phonemic difference between unaspirated and aspirated stops and affricates in Cherokee (which are commonly heard as unvoiced/voiced by L2 learners). What you are describing with your IPA transcriptions are allophones. The affricate is mistranscribed, however. It is not segment /t/ + segment /l/ or some version thereof but rather only one segment. MTBradley 17:53, 15 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I just took a closer look at some information I have on the Cherokee language, and came up with the following list of Cherokee letters, using Durbin Feeling's practical orthography.

  • g  /k/
  • k  /kh/ [kʰ]
  • h  /h/
  • l  /l/
  • hl  /ɬ/
  • m  /m/
  • n  /n/
  • hn  /hn/
  • gw  /kw/ [kʷ]
  • kw  /kwh/
  • s  /s/
  • d  /t/
  • t  /th/ [tʰ]
  • dl  /tl/ [tˡ]
  • tl  /tlh/ [tˡʰ]
  • j  /ts/ [ʦ, ʧ, ʤ]
  • w  /ɰ/ (velar approximant), or sometimes /w/
  • hw  /hɰ/
  • y  /j/
  • yh  /hj/
  • ʔ  /ʔ/

Vowels

  • a  /a/
  • e  /e/
  • i  /i/
  • o  /o/
  • u  /u/
  • v  /ə̃/

I believe this is correct, so I will add this to the article. I will also put my references at the bottom of the page. Let me know if you have any corrections, suggestions, or questions!

-Benjamin

Syllabary

Should the Syllabary have its own page? If no objections I will go ahead and move to Cherokee script - FrancisTyers 02:56, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

That would probably be a good idea, especially if these articles get expanded. (I just created a link to "Cherokee script", and then realized it didn't go anywhere!)
I made a correction. There are many recorded cases of illiterate people inventing writing systems. Perhaps Sequoyah was the only one in the US, but there's Vai in Liberia, Afaka in Surinam, Hmong in Laos, etc etc, and all are syllabaries. On one Micronesian island, when missionaries introduced the Roman alphabet and said "this is the letter bee", etc., the people completed the script by creating letters for ba, be, bo, bu! --kwami 09:10, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I agree with this idea, I came to the talk page thinking a separate page for the writing system might make sense. I would suggest Cherokee syllabary be added as the new article title with a redirect from Cherokee script. (Google gives "cherokee script" : 2,230; "cherokee syllabary" : 20,800 hits). --babbage 18:08, 16 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Map

The map has got to be wrong; surely there is a significant number of Cherokee speakers at the Cherokee Nation in Oklahoma? --Prosfilaes 06:45, 25 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, today. But all the American language maps show the estimated location at time of contact. kwami 07:30, 2005 August 30 (UTC)
I discovered the Cherokee language is spoken by a few thousand transplants from the Dust bowl whom arrived in California during the 1930's and a large number of "okies" are of Native American descent in the first place. The language has made a small but noticable comeback in the Cherokee Nation and those of Cherokee ancestry across the U.S. are learning the language in increasing numbers, although the native tongue of Cherokees for living in the United States is English. +71.102.53.48 (talk) 06:04, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Syllabics/Unicode/Pronunciation table

Delete this table if is not so useful...

Syllabics Unicode Pronunciation
Ꭰ 13A0 A
Ꭱ 13A1 E
Ꭲ 13A2 I
Ꭳ 13A3 O
Ꭴ 13A4 U
Ꭵ 13A5 V
Ꭶ 13A6 Ga
Ꭷ 13A7 Ka
Ꭸ 13A8 Ge
Ꭹ 13A9 Gi
Ꭺ 13AA Go
Ꭻ 13AB Gu
Ꭼ 13AC Gv
Ꭽ 13AD Ha
Ꭾ 13AE He
Ꭿ 13AF Hi
Ꮀ 13B0 Ho
Ꮁ 13B1 Hu
Ꮂ 13B2 Hv
Ꮃ 13B3 La
Ꮄ 13B4 Le
Ꮅ 13B5 Li
Ꮆ 13B6 Lo
Ꮇ 13B7 Lu
Ꮈ 13B8 Lv
Ꮉ 13B9 Ma
Ꮊ 13BA Me
Ꮋ 13BB Mi
Ꮌ 13BC Mo
Ꮍ 13BD Mu
Ꮎ 13BE Na
Ꮏ 13BF Hna
Ꮐ 13C0 Nah
Ꮑ 13C1 Ne
Ꮒ 13C2 Ni
Ꮓ 13C3 No
Ꮔ 13C4 Nu
Ꮕ 13C5 Nv
Ꮖ 13C6 Qua
Ꮗ 13C7 Que
Ꮘ 13C8 Qui
Ꮙ 13C9 Quo
Ꮚ 13CA Quu
Ꮛ 13CB Quv
Ꮜ 13CC Sa
Ꮝ 13CD S
Ꮞ 13CE Se
Ꮟ 13CF Si
Ꮠ 13D0 So
Ꮡ 13D1 Su
Ꮢ 13D2 Sv
Ꮣ 13D3 Da
Ꮤ 13D4 Ta
Ꮥ 13D5 De
Ꮦ 13D6 Te
Ꮧ 13D7 Di
Ꮨ 13D8 Ti
Ꮩ 13D9 Do
Ꮪ 13DA Du
Ꮫ 13DB Dv
Ꮬ 13DC Dla
Ꮭ 13DD Tla
Ꮮ 13DE Tle
Ꮯ 13DF Tli
Ꮰ 13E0 Tlo
Ꮱ 13E1 Tlu
Ꮲ 13E2 Tlv
Ꮳ 13E3 Tsa
Ꮴ 13E4 Tse
Ꮵ 13E5 Tsi
Ꮶ 13E6 Tso
Ꮷ 13E7 Tsu
Ꮸ 13E8 Tsv
Ꮹ 13E9 Wa
Ꮺ 13EA We
Ꮻ 13EB Wi
Ꮼ 13EC Wo
Ꮽ 13ED Wu
Ꮾ 13EE Wv
Ꮿ 13EF Ya
Ᏸ 13F0 Ye
Ᏹ 13F1 Yi
Ᏺ 13F2 Yo
Ᏻ 13F3 Yu
Ᏼ 13F4 Yv 


¢ ᏁᏕ NevilleDNZ 15:56, 15 September 2005 (UTC)  ¢[reply]

Tsalagi

If the native name of the language is Tsalagi as stated in the "Grammar" section, shouldn't it also be mentioned in the definition? (Instead of current "???") --Cyco130 03:10, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It's not ???. It's three Cherokee letters that aren't displaying correctly on your system.--Prosfilaes 03:55, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Oh yes! Thank you. But I still think that a romanized version should be included, as it'is for Arabic, Chinese, Japanese etc. --Cyco130 05:30, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I've added {{unicode}}, which should help with the display of the Cherokee script. --Gareth Hughes 21:22, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Well, what I meant was that other articles about languages using non-roman scripts contain: language's native name in the native script _and_ language's native name in the romanized script. So I still think that "tsalagi" should be added. Any ideas? --Cyco130 01:18, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cherokee Slang

Cherokee Slang is up for deletion and I thought I'd leave a message here in case anyone is interested. I don't think it's strong enough to stand as an article itself, but there is a reference given, and perhaps some info there could be salvaged here?

Just FYI. --DanielCD 21:40, 17 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I posted a link to the wiktionary and transwiki'ed the article into the wiktionary, and asked the closing admin on the Afd to archive the original article to preserve the content. Waya sahoni 04:18, 26 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Needs references and expansion

It mostly has information about the grammar, phonology, and writing system. It needs more references and to be expanded. ---- Tim Q. Wells (20 Feb 06)

NOTE: What do you think needs adding here? I speak and write several dialects of Cherokee and I am happy to help. I know that verb stem construction would be useful as well as all the possessive constructs in the language related to tense and conjugation. There's a lot of areas that need expanding here. Please advise. Waya sahoni 05:03, 23 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

[No Title]

I like the article -- very informative. FYI, "tone sandhi" is mis-explained. It looks like some information got lost. Tone sandhi is the change of tone when in the environment of another tone. E.g., in Mandarin, tone 3 becomes tone 2 when it occurs before tone 3 (3 3 -> 2 3). This is not the same as the simplification of a tone system over time, which is kind of how the article reads at present.

Jonathan —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 140.109.150.55 (talk • contribs) 08:32, 27 February 2006.

Actually, Oklahoma Cherokee seems to have become more tonally complex over the period since the Removal. North Carolina Cherokee has only two phonemic pitch distinctions. If I understand the issue correctly, Oklahoma Cherokee contour tones are related to the lose of glottal stop.

Perhaps the article is meant more specifically to say that Oklahoma Cherokee is undergoing tonal simplification at the present time. MTBradley 17:48, 15 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Southern Iroquoian

Article is not correct in stating that Cherokee is the only southern Iroquoian language still spoken. Tuscarora is spoken in Ontario and New York State, and perhaps has a few speakers in North Carolina.

Tuscarora isn't a southern Iroquoian language; it's in the family of northern Iroquoian language.--Prosfilaes 15:55, 20 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Tuscarora IS a southern Iroquois language and very closely related to Cherokee.

Recall that the ancestral homeland of the Tuscarora is in North Carolina. The only reason Tuscarora is spoken in New York State and Ontario is that the majority of Tuscarora migrated to New York State in the late 18th century and came under the protection of the Oneida (and became the "sixth nation" of the Iroquois League). Some Tuscarora are still in North Carolina, where a few of them probably still speak the language.

So the article should be changed. Tom129.93.17.213 20:53, 13 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In all linguistic classifications of Iroquoian I've seen, Tuscarora is classified as Northern Iroquoian (more specifically, the Tuscarora-Nottoway subbranch). This is how Lyle Campbell (an expert on the historical linguistics of Native languages) classifies it, how Marianne Mithun (an expert on Iroquoian languages generally, and Tuscaroran specifically, who has worked with a number of Tuscaroran speakers) classifies it, how the Ethnologue classifies it...
What is your evidence for claiming that Tuscarora is Southern, not Northern, Iroquoian? --Miskwito 21:10, 13 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Tsalagi and tsa-la-gi ga-wo-ni-hi-is-di

What is the difference between Tsalagi and tsa-la-gi ga-wo-ni-hi-is-di? Should tsa-la-gi ga-wo-ni-hi-is-di be capitalized and become Tsa-la-gi ga-wo-ni-hi-is-di?

ICE77 -- 81.104.129.226 19:59, 1 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cherokee Scouting

Can someone render "Be Prepared", the Scout Motto, into Cherokee script? Thanks! Chris 03:34, 12 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Useless encoding

Is there any chance of having the symbols as image files i.e. jpgs/pngs etc. I can't see a single thing on this page other than IPA, Roman and the distribution map. --MacRusgail 04:18, 29 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism

This article was vandalised - somebody swapped out the word "Cherokee" for "retard" in the language box. I went in and deleted most of that, but unfortunately I don't have the knowledge to replace it with the correct information (I came here to learn about it). Hopefully somebody more knowledgeable than I will come along and update it. If not, I'll come back in a few days when time permits and chase up some links to put in the correct information. 75.19.177.127 13:26, 12 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for helping! See Help:Reverting for more info on how to help recover from vandalism. --Kbh3rdtalk 19:33, 12 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Tones

I think that it would be useful to include information about the properties of the tones like in the articles for other tonal languages(i.e contour or register tones, pitch of the tones etc.) If anyone knows anything about something like this please put it in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.185.21.163 (talk) 23:48, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, the section on tone is practically useless. Putting that Cherokee has a "robust tonal system" provides almost no information besides the fact that Cherokee is tonal. This is just like going to the page on Mandarin Chinese and putting "There are tones", without going into any detail. Why doesn't this article cover the tones as well as other articles on tonal languages like the ones for Mandarin, Cantonese, Navajo, Thai, Vietnamese, etc.? Please, somebody put in some better information here. Se Cyning —Preceding unsigned comment added by Se Cyning (talk • contribs) 04:32, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Why not Latin alphabet even?

Why do they never use the Latin alphabet? May they not either use both Sequoyah and Latin?

--81.228.158.173 (talk) 13:14, 16 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Your question reflects a lack of understanding about the cultures of these indigenous people. The Cherokee (as well as all indigenous peoples) have been "Europeanized" to the point that much of their culture has been completely lost. Why should they make themselves conform to a foreign culture even more? The fact is, the Cherokee now teach the language to their children as a first-language (not a second-language) right along side English. A four or five-year-old school child isn't going to know how to read the word TSALAGI any better than ᏣᎳᎩ, so why not teach them the right way in the first place? From the Cherokee perspective, your question is like asking us, "Why don't you learn English by using a Cyrillic alphabet?" It just doesn't make sense...Why use a foreign alphabet to learn your own language? (Incidentally, if you can't read ᏣᎳᎩ, you need to install the font from here.) ++Arx Fortis (talk) 23:29, 16 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
There is also the question of how well a writing system fits a language. Let's say that a good writing system is easy and fast to learn and use, and communicates meaning unambiguously. If we were going to represent spoken words really accurately, we could all use the International Phonetic Alphabet. But every language I know of lacks some of the distinctions of the IPA (it clumps different sounds into phonemes). The IPA is also slow to write out, because one has to write every phone, and there are lots of symbols that look very similar. Sometimes the written language also needs to be less ambiguous than the spoken language ("What did you mean to say?" is easier than "What did you mean in the letter you sent me last summer?"). Languages therefore use specialized writing systems. These systems are a better (easier, faster, less ambiguous) way of writing their language than any generalized system.
For instance, compare the Cherokee phrases written in both their native syllabary and a Latin-alphabet approximation. The Latin-alphabet version is much longer. An IPA version would be longer, too. I'd guess that one can write Cherokee about twice as fast using the Cherokee syllabary, because one doesn't waste time on distinctions which are unimportant in Cherokee.
The Latin alphabet also can't write some distinctions. A look at the table will show some Cherokee phonemes are hard to distinguish using the Latin alphabet. The Latin alphabet also has to be modified to show tones. It doesn't even do English very well ("I like to read"/"I once read it"). It was only designed to write Latin!
Finally, the Cherokee language in popular culture, with slight bearing on the above argument: http://xkcd.com/84/ (not sure if this is worth including in the article, though; it's pretty trivial).HLHJ (talk) 21:11, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Folks, remember this is not a forum or a chat service.  Xihr  01:51, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thing of it is, the latin alphabet isnt even native to English. The Germanic English have been romanized over the centuries. Quite frankly, I think that ᛖᚾᚷᛚᛁᛋᚻ ᛋᚻᚩᚢᛚᛞ ᛒᛖ ᚹᚱᛁᛏᛏᛖᚾ ᛁᚾ ᚱᚢᚾᛁᚳ ᚹᚱᛁᛏᛁᚾᚷ, ᛞᚢᛖ ᛏᚩ ᛏᚻᛖ ᚠᚪᚳᛏ ᛏᚻᚪᛏ ᚱᚢᚾᛁᚳ ᛁᛋ ᛏᚻᛖ ᛖᚾᚷᛚᛁᛋᚻ ᚾᚪᛏᛁᚡᛖ ᛋᚳᚱᛁᛈᛏ, ᛈᛚᚪᛁᚾ ᚪᚾᛞ ᛋᛁᛗᛈᛚᛖ. :) —Ƿōdenhelm (talk) 02:35, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Speaker Estimate

15,000 to 22,000 is way too high of an estimate, especially if you are talking about fluent speakers. Even speaker that are conversant in the languages are probably well under 10,000.Uyvsdi (talk) 23:48, 31 December 2008 (UTC)Uyvsdi[reply]

Wikipedia:Native Cherokee Lexicon Translation Project

Please see Wikipedia:Native Cherokee Lexicon Translation Project. -- Wavelength (talk) 17:54, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Are any efforts being introduced to save this language with so little speakers? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.75.37.0 (talk) 20:29, 17 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Phonology

Question: are the o and e symbols given in the vowel chart correct? Both members of each pair are marked as long. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lhislop (talk • contribs) 02:00, 6 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That was certainly a mistake, and I've corrected it. But I also have a question about Cherokee phonology. The syllabary has separate symbols for syllables starting with /tl/ and with /kw/. Are these really consonant clusters in Cherokee, or are they rather the lateral affricate /t͜ɬ/ and the labialized velar stop /kʷ/? If these two are actually single segments, they should be added to the consonant inventory table. +Angr 23:43, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Cherokee Influence on Formation of the Southern American (English) Accent

I have read that the Cherokee language for example has many of the sounds that are now essential to the Southern American Accent, as do cousins of the Cherokee from the other Five Civilized Tribes. Remember that during the early times of European settlement in the American South that Native American tribes were equal or superior in influence to European settlers (with lots of intermarriage) and thus may have helped to shape early Southern American dialect and pronunciation.

Later on the massive influx of West African slaves may had added another layer of influence to various Southern American accents especially since "house slaves" (as opposed to slaves who worked in the fields) played a major role in raising white children. This may have also allowed West African languages to influence Southern American pronunciation and even the use of some words and grammar.

This is not to discount the European influences on the formation of various Southern American dialects, but neither should these non-European influences be left out.

98.245.150.162 (talk) 23:11, 14 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

African influences on South American English is well documented - I've never heard of Native American influences, and frankly I don't see how that would have happened.·Maunus·ƛ· 23:16, 14 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You have to look at the early stages of European settlement when the Native American population was larger than the European--

Also (especially in the South) there was a great deal of intermarriage between early Scottish settlers and Native Americans that went on for generations.

Before Europeans began to outnumber Native Americans, the relations between Whites and Native peoples were completely different, and although sometimes hostile were usually actually very close relationships.

Later when Whites began to outnumber Indians is when the sustained trouble began.

But by then the Southern American accent had become established (with Native American influences) and new European settlers would assimilate into it.

98.245.150.162 (talk) 23:25, 14 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

WP can only include info from reliable published sources, ans such information must be verifiable to other readers. You need to be more specific than "I have read that", otherwise it can't be included in the article. - BilCat (talk) 23:48, 14 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Also, new sections go at the bottom of talk pages, not the top. Cresix (talk) 23:52, 14 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]


I know that citations are needed. But you have to mention the issue before citations can be hunted down (I don't have time to do it all myself).

Sorry about posting on the top of the talk page, I forgot about that rule.

Best,

98.245.150.162 (talk) 20:08, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

P.P.S. I'll do some of the search for citations too, but the "Five Civilized Tribes" (all originally Southeastern Native American tribes, since forcibly relocated to Oklahoma) are the tribes thought to be early influenceers of the Southern American accent.

These tribes are all related to each other and include the Cherokee, Choctaw, Creek (also called Muskogee), Chikisaw and Seminole.

98.245.150.162 (talk) 20:13, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Here is a quote from one source (again keep in mind that [for about three generations] there was a lot of mixing between Scotts-Irish settlers in the American South and Southern Native Americans, and it was only later that the most serious troubles began once whites started to outnumber Native Americans, but by then the local English accent had been influenced):

"The "Scots-Irish" dialect of southern English mingled with Cherokee and other Native American languages in a band running from western North Carolina to Oklahoma and East Texas, giving rise to the so-called backwoods, or highlands, southern dialect, which is faster and [more] high-pitched than tidewater southern and more nasal than Appalachian English. Some of the phonological features of the backwoods southern dialects undoubtedly come from Cherokee and other Native American languages. The south was the only area in the East where Native Americans mixed significantly with the whites. This occurred mostly with the poorer whites on the frontier. Substrate features include: nasality, tensing of vowels [e] instead of [E] rather than diphthongization as in Tidewater Southern English."

Here is the source (it's from a college course on linguistics, http://pandora.cii.wwu.edu/vajda/ling201/test3materials/AmericanDialects.htm ) obviously not usable for Wikipedia by itself, but it shows that there is University-level linguistics research behind this view.

98.245.150.162 (talk) 20:32, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Cherry-picking sources to inflate population

We need reliable sources for population estimates. Some random web page is not appropriate. This appears to be an attempt at population-inflation. Understandable as wishful thinking, but again not appropriate. Bear in mind that "speakers" may mean anyone who's learned the language, whereas we give an estimate for native speakers. It would be wonderful if native English-speaking Cherokee are teaching their children Cherokee as their first language, but we need reliable sources. Right now the best source we have is the 2010 census. Censuses are generally not too accurate when it comes to languages, though, so it would be better if we could come up w something better. — kwami (talk) 21:06, 14 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Archaic mv and lowercase

The archaic syllable mv and a whole set of small syllables have been added to Unicode 8.0.0 which will be released in a few months. I have expanded NevilleDNZ’s table here under. Perhaps the new characters don’t display correctly yet. I hope Cherokee fonts will soon be updated.

New characters are marked with a yellow background.

Capital or caseless syllables Small syllables
Syllabics Unicode Pronunciation Syllabics Unicode Pronunciation
hex. dec. hex. dec.
Ꭰ 13A0 5024 A ꭰ AB70 43888 a
Ꭱ 13A1 5025 E ꭱ AB71 43889 e
Ꭲ 13A2 5026 I ꭲ AB72 43890 i
Ꭳ 13A3 5027 O ꭳ AB73 43891 o
Ꭴ 13A4 5028 U ꭴ AB74 43892 u
Ꭵ 13A5 5029 V ꭵ AB75 43893 v
Ꭶ 13A6 5030 Ga ꭶ AB76 43894 ga
Ꭷ 13A7 5031 Ka ꭷ AB77 43895 ka
Ꭸ 13A8 5032 Ge ꭸ AB78 43896 ge
Ꭹ 13A9 5033 Gi ꭹ AB79 43897 gi
Ꭺ 13AA 5034 Go ꭺ AB7A 43898 go
Ꭻ 13AB 5035 Gu ꭻ AB7B 43899 gu
Ꭼ 13AC 5036 Gv ꭼ AB7C 43900 gv
Ꭽ 13AD 5037 Ha ꭽ AB7D 43901 ha
Ꭾ 13AE 5038 He ꭾ AB7E 43902 he
Ꭿ 13AF 5039 Hi ꭿ AB7F 43903 hi
Ꮀ 13B0 5040 Ho ꮀ AB80 43904 ho
Ꮁ 13B1 5041 Hu ꮁ AB81 43905 hu
Ꮂ 13B2 5042 Hv ꮂ AB82 43906 hv
Ꮃ 13B3 5043 La ꮃ AB83 43907 la
Ꮄ 13B4 5044 Le ꮄ AB84 43908 le
Ꮅ 13B5 5045 Li ꮅ AB85 43909 li
Ꮆ 13B6 5046 Lo ꮆ AB86 43910 lo
Ꮇ 13B7 5047 Lu ꮇ AB87 43911 lu
Ꮈ 13B8 5048 Lv ꮈ AB88 43912 lv
Ꮉ 13B9 5049 Ma ꮉ AB89 43913 ma
Ꮊ 13BA 5050 Me ꮊ AB8A 43914 me
Ꮋ 13BB 5051 Mi ꮋ AB8B 43915 mi
Ꮌ 13BC 5052 Mo ꮌ AB8C 43916 mo
Ꮍ 13BD 5053 Mu ꮍ AB8D 43917 mu
Ᏽ 13F5 5109 Mv ᏽ 13FD 5117 mv
Ꮎ 13BE 5054 Na ꮎ AB8E 43918 na
Ꮏ 13BF 5055 Hna ꮏ AB8F 43919 hna
Ꮐ 13C0 5056 Nah ꮐ AB90 43920 nah
Ꮑ 13C1 5057 Ne ꮑ AB91 43921 ne
Ꮒ 13C2 5058 Ni ꮒ AB92 43922 ni
Ꮓ 13C3 5059 No ꮓ AB93 43923 no
Ꮔ 13C4 5060 Nu ꮔ AB94 43924 nu
Ꮕ 13C5 5061 Nv ꮕ AB95 43925 nv
Ꮖ 13C6 5062 Qua ꮖ AB96 43926 qua
Ꮗ 13C7 5063 Que ꮗ AB97 43927 que
Ꮘ 13C8 5064 Qui ꮘ AB98 43928 qui
Ꮙ 13C9 5065 Quo ꮙ AB99 43929 quo
Ꮚ 13CA 5066 Quu ꮚ AB9A 43930 quu
Ꮛ 13CB 5067 Quv ꮛ AB9B 43931 quv
Ꮜ 13CC 5068 Sa ꮜ AB9C 43932 sa
Ꮝ 13CD 5069 S ꮝ AB9D 43933 s
Ꮞ 13CE 5070 Se ꮞ AB9E 43934 se
Ꮟ 13CF 5071 Si ꮟ AB9F 43935 si
Ꮠ 13D0 5072 So ꮠ ABA0 43936 so
Ꮡ 13D1 5073 Su ꮡ ABA1 43937 su
Ꮢ 13D2 5074 Sv ꮢ ABA2 43938 sv
Ꮣ 13D3 5075 Da ꮣ ABA3 43939 da
Ꮤ 13D4 5076 Ta ꮤ ABA4 43940 ta
Ꮥ 13D5 5077 De ꮥ ABA5 43941 de
Ꮦ 13D6 5078 Te ꮦ ABA6 43942 te
Ꮧ 13D7 5079 Di ꮧ ABA7 43943 di
Ꮨ 13D8 5080 Ti ꮨ ABA8 43944 ti
Ꮩ 13D9 5081 Do ꮩ ABA9 43945 do
Ꮪ 13DA 5082 Du ꮪ ABAA 43946 du
Ꮫ 13DB 5083 Dv ꮫ ABAB 43947 dv
Ꮬ 13DC 5084 Dla ꮬ ABAC 43948 dla
Ꮭ 13DD 5085 Tla ꮭ ABAD 43949 tla
Ꮮ 13DE 5086 Tle ꮮ ABAE 43950 tle
Ꮯ 13DF 5087 Tli ꮯ ABAF 43951 tli
Ꮰ 13E0 5088 Tlo ꮰ ABB0 43952 tlo
Ꮱ 13E1 5089 Tlu ꮱ ABB1 43953 tlu
Ꮲ 13E2 5090 Tlv ꮲ ABB2 43954 tlv
Ꮳ 13E3 5091 Tsa ꮳ ABB3 43955 tsa
Ꮴ 13E4 5092 Tse ꮴ ABB4 43956 tse
Ꮵ 13E5 5093 Tsi ꮵ ABB5 43957 tsi
Ꮶ 13E6 5094 Tso ꮶ ABB6 43958 tso
Ꮷ 13E7 5095 Tsu ꮷ ABB7 43959 tsu
Ꮸ 13E8 5096 Tsv ꮸ ABB8 43960 tsv
Ꮹ 13E9 5097 Wa ꮹ ABB9 43961 wa
Ꮺ 13EA 5098 We ꮺ ABBA 43962 we
Ꮻ 13EB 5099 Wi ꮻ ABBB 43963 wi
Ꮼ 13EC 5100 Wo ꮼ ABBC 43964 wo
Ꮽ 13ED 5101 Wu ꮽ ABBD 43965 wu
Ꮾ 13EE 5102 Wv ꮾ ABBE 43966 wv
Ꮿ 13EF 5103 Ya ꮿ ABBF 43967 ya
Ᏸ 13F0 5104 Ye ᏸ 13F8 5112 ye
Ᏹ 13F1 5105 Yi ᏹ 13F9 5113 yi
Ᏺ 13F2 5106 Yo ᏺ 13FA 5114 yo
Ᏻ 13F3 5107 Yu ᏻ 13FB 5115 yu
Ᏼ 13F4 5108 Yv ᏼ 13FC 5116 yv

Tohuvabohuo (talk) 04:27, 31 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ꭰ ꭰ 13A0 AB70 a Ꭱ ꭱ 13A1 AB71 e Ꭲ ꭲ 13A2 AB72 i Ꭳ ꭳ 13A3 AB73 o Ꭴ ꭴ 13A4 AB74 u Ꭵ ꭵ 13A5 AB75 v
Ꭶ ꭶ 13A6 AB76 ga Ꭸ ꭸ 13A8 AB78 ge Ꭹ ꭹ 13A9 AB79 gi Ꭺ ꭺ 13AA AB7A go Ꭻ ꭻ 13AB AB7B gu Ꭼ ꭼ 13AC AB7C gv
Ꭷ ꭷ 13A7 AB77 ka
Ꭽ ꭽ 13AD AB7D ha Ꭾ ꭾ 13AE AB7E he Ꭿ ꭿ 13AF AB7F hi Ꮀ ꮀ 13B0 AB80 ho Ꮁ ꮁ 13B1 AB81 hu Ꮂ ꮂ 13B2 AB82 hv
Ꮃ ꮃ 13B3 AB83 la Ꮄ ꮄ 13B4 AB84 le Ꮅ ꮅ 13B5 AB85 li Ꮆ ꮆ 13B6 AB86 lo Ꮇ ꮇ 13B7 AB87 lu Ꮈ ꮈ 13B8 AB88 lv
Ꮉ ꮉ 13B9 AB89 ma Ꮊ ꮊ 13BA AB8A me Ꮋ ꮋ 13BB AB8B mi Ꮌ ꮌ 13BC AB8C mo Ꮍ ꮍ 13BD AB8D mu Ᏽ ᏽ 13F5 13FD mv
Ꮎ ꮎ 13BE AB8E na Ꮑ ꮑ 13C1 AB91 ne Ꮒ ꮒ 13C2 AB92 ni Ꮓ ꮓ 13C3 AB93 no Ꮔ ꮔ 13C4 AB94 nu Ꮕ ꮕ 13C5 AB95 nv
Ꮏ ꮏ 13BF AB8F hna
Ꮐ ꮐ 13C0 AB90 nah
Ꮖ ꮖ 13C6 AB96 qua Ꮗ ꮗ 13C7 AB97 que Ꮘ ꮘ 13C8 AB98 qui Ꮙ ꮙ 13C9 AB99 quo Ꮚ ꮚ 13CA AB9A quu Ꮛ ꮛ 13CB AB9B quv
Ꮜ ꮜ 13CC AB9C sa Ꮞ ꮞ 13CE AB9E se Ꮟ ꮟ 13CF AB9F si Ꮠ ꮠ 13D0 ABA0 so Ꮡ ꮡ 13D1 ABA1 su Ꮢ ꮢ 13D2 ABA2 sv Ꮝ ꮝ 13CD AB9D s
Ꮣ ꮣ 13D3 ABA3 da Ꮥ ꮥ 13D5 ABA5 de Ꮧ ꮧ 13D7 ABA7 di Ꮩ ꮩ 13D9 ABA9 do Ꮪ ꮪ 13DA ABAA du Ꮫ ꮫ 13DB ABAB dv
Ꮤ ꮤ 13D4 ABA4 ta Ꮦ ꮦ 13D6 ABA6 te Ꮨ ꮨ 13D8 ABA8 ti
Ꮬ ꮬ 13DC ABAC dla
Ꮭ ꮭ 13DD ABAD tla Ꮮ ꮮ 13DE ABAE tle Ꮯ ꮯ 13DF ABAF tli Ꮰ ꮰ 13E0 ABB0 tlo Ꮱ ꮱ 13E1 ABB1 tlu Ꮲ ꮲ 13E2 ABB2 tlv
Ꮳ ꮳ 13E3 ABB3 tsa Ꮴ ꮴ 13E4 ABB4 tse Ꮵ ꮵ 13E5 ABB5 tsi Ꮶ ꮶ 13E6 ABB6 tso Ꮷ ꮷ 13E7 ABB7 tsu Ꮸ ꮸ 13E8 ABB8 tsv
Ꮹ ꮹ 13E9 ABB9 wa Ꮺ ꮺ 13EA ABBA we Ꮻ ꮻ 13EB ABBB wi Ꮼ ꮼ 13EC ABBC wo Ꮽ ꮽ 13ED ABBD wu Ꮾ ꮾ 13EE ABBE wv
Ꮿ ꮿ 13EF ABBF ya Ᏸ ᏸ 13F0 13F8 ye Ᏹ ᏹ 13F1 13F9 yi Ᏺ ᏺ 13F2 13FA yo Ᏻ ᏻ 13F3 13FB yu Ᏼ ᏼ 13F4 13FC yv


Ꭰ ꭰ 13A0 AB70 a Ꭱ ꭱ 13A1 AB71 e Ꭲ ꭲ 13A2 AB72 i Ꭳ ꭳ 13A3 AB73 o Ꭴ ꭴ 13A4 AB74 u Ꭵ ꭵ 13A5 AB75 v
Ꭶ ꭶ 13A6 AB76 ga Ꭷ ꭷ 13A7 AB77 ka Ꭸ ꭸ 13A8 AB78 ge Ꭹ ꭹ 13A9 AB79 gi Ꭺ ꭺ 13AA AB7A go Ꭻ ꭻ 13AB AB7B gu Ꭼ ꭼ 13AC AB7C gv
Ꭽ ꭽ 13AD AB7D ha Ꭾ ꭾ 13AE AB7E he Ꭿ ꭿ 13AF AB7F hi Ꮀ ꮀ 13B0 AB80 ho Ꮁ ꮁ 13B1 AB81 hu Ꮂ ꮂ 13B2 AB82 hv
Ꮃ ꮃ 13B3 AB83 la Ꮄ ꮄ 13B4 AB84 le Ꮅ ꮅ 13B5 AB85 li Ꮆ ꮆ 13B6 AB86 lo Ꮇ ꮇ 13B7 AB87 lu Ꮈ ꮈ 13B8 AB88 lv
Ꮉ ꮉ 13B9 AB89 ma Ꮊ ꮊ 13BA AB8A me Ꮋ ꮋ 13BB AB8B mi Ꮌ ꮌ 13BC AB8C mo Ꮍ ꮍ 13BD AB8D mu Ᏽ ᏽ 13F5 13FD mv
Ꮎ ꮎ 13BE AB8E na Ꮏ ꮏ 13BF AB8F hna Ꮐ ꮐ 13C0 AB90 nah Ꮑ ꮑ 13C1 AB91 ne Ꮒ ꮒ 13C2 AB92 ni Ꮓ ꮓ 13C3 AB93 no Ꮔ ꮔ 13C4 AB94 nu Ꮕ ꮕ 13C5 AB95 nv
Ꮖ ꮖ 13C6 AB96 qua Ꮗ ꮗ 13C7 AB97 que Ꮘ ꮘ 13C8 AB98 qui Ꮙ ꮙ 13C9 AB99 quo Ꮚ ꮚ 13CA AB9A quu Ꮛ ꮛ 13CB AB9B quv
Ꮜ ꮜ 13CC AB9C sa Ꮝ ꮝ 13CD AB9D s Ꮞ ꮞ 13CE AB9E se Ꮟ ꮟ 13CF AB9F si Ꮠ ꮠ 13D0 ABA0 so Ꮡ ꮡ 13D1 ABA1 su Ꮢ ꮢ 13D2 ABA2 sv
Ꮣ ꮣ 13D3 ABA3 da Ꮤ ꮤ 13D4 ABA4 ta Ꮥ ꮥ 13D5 ABA5 de Ꮦ ꮦ 13D6 ABA6 te Ꮧ ꮧ 13D7 ABA7 di Ꮨ ꮨ 13D8 ABA8 ti Ꮩ ꮩ 13D9 ABA9 do Ꮪ ꮪ 13DA ABAA du Ꮫ ꮫ 13DB ABAB dv
Ꮬ ꮬ 13DC ABAC dla Ꮭ ꮭ 13DD ABAD tla Ꮮ ꮮ 13DE ABAE tle Ꮯ ꮯ 13DF ABAF tli Ꮰ ꮰ 13E0 ABB0 tlo Ꮱ ꮱ 13E1 ABB1 tlu Ꮲ ꮲ 13E2 ABB2 tlv
Ꮳ ꮳ 13E3 ABB3 tsa Ꮴ ꮴ 13E4 ABB4 tse Ꮵ ꮵ 13E5 ABB5 tsi Ꮶ ꮶ 13E6 ABB6 tso Ꮷ ꮷ 13E7 ABB7 tsu Ꮸ ꮸ 13E8 ABB8 tsv
Ꮹ ꮹ 13E9 ABB9 wa Ꮺ ꮺ 13EA ABBA we Ꮻ ꮻ 13EB ABBB wi Ꮼ ꮼ 13EC ABBC wo Ꮽ ꮽ 13ED ABBD wu Ꮾ ꮾ 13EE ABBE wv
Ꮿ ꮿ 13EF ABBF ya Ᏸ ᏸ 13F0 13F8 ye Ᏹ ᏹ 13F1 13F9 yi Ᏺ ᏺ 13F2 13FA yo Ᏻ ᏻ 13F3 13FB yu Ᏼ ᏼ 13F4 13FC yv


Ꭰ ꭰ 13A0 AB70 a Ꭱ ꭱ 13A1 AB71 e Ꭲ ꭲ 13A2 AB72 i Ꭳ ꭳ 13A3 AB73 o Ꭴ ꭴ 13A4 AB74 u Ꭵ ꭵ 13A5 AB75 v
Ꭶ
Ꭷ 		ꭶ
ꭷ 		13A6
13A7 		AB76
AB77 		ga
ka 		Ꭸ ꭸ 13A8 AB78 ge Ꭹ ꭹ 13A9 AB79 gi Ꭺ ꭺ 13AA AB7A go Ꭻ ꭻ 13AB AB7B gu Ꭼ ꭼ 13AC AB7C gv
Ꭽ ꭽ 13AD AB7D ha Ꭾ ꭾ 13AE AB7E he Ꭿ ꭿ 13AF AB7F hi Ꮀ ꮀ 13B0 AB80 ho Ꮁ ꮁ 13B1 AB81 hu Ꮂ ꮂ 13B2 AB82 hv
Ꮃ ꮃ 13B3 AB83 la Ꮄ ꮄ 13B4 AB84 le Ꮅ ꮅ 13B5 AB85 li Ꮆ ꮆ 13B6 AB86 lo Ꮇ ꮇ 13B7 AB87 lu Ꮈ ꮈ 13B8 AB88 lv
Ꮉ ꮉ 13B9 AB89 ma Ꮊ ꮊ 13BA AB8A me Ꮋ ꮋ 13BB AB8B mi Ꮌ ꮌ 13BC AB8C mo Ꮍ ꮍ 13BD AB8D mu Ᏽ ᏽ 13F5 13FD mv
Ꮎ
Ꮏ
Ꮐ 		ꮎ
ꮏ
ꮐ 		13BE
13BF
13C0 		AB8E
AB8F
AB90 		na
hna
nah 		Ꮑ ꮑ 13C1 AB91 ne Ꮒ ꮒ 13C2 AB92 ni Ꮓ ꮓ 13C3 AB93 no Ꮔ ꮔ 13C4 AB94 nu Ꮕ ꮕ 13C5 AB95 nv
Ꮖ ꮖ 13C6 AB96 qua Ꮗ ꮗ 13C7 AB97 que Ꮘ ꮘ 13C8 AB98 qui Ꮙ ꮙ 13C9 AB99 quo Ꮚ ꮚ 13CA AB9A quu Ꮛ ꮛ 13CB AB9B quv
Ꮜ
Ꮝ 		ꮜ
ꮝ 		13CC
13CD 		AB9C
AB9D 		sa
s 		Ꮞ ꮞ 13CE AB9E se Ꮟ ꮟ 13CF AB9F si Ꮠ ꮠ 13D0 ABA0 so Ꮡ ꮡ 13D1 ABA1 su Ꮢ ꮢ 13D2 ABA2 sv
Ꮣ
Ꮤ 		ꮣ
ꮤ 		13D3
13D4 		ABA3
ABA4 		da
ta 		Ꮥ
Ꮦ 		ꮥ
ꮦ 		13D5
13D6 		ABA5
ABA6 		de
te 		Ꮧ
Ꮨ 		ꮧ
ꮨ 		13D7
13D8 		ABA7
ABA8 		di
ti 		Ꮩ ꮩ 13D9 ABA9 do Ꮪ ꮪ 13DA ABAA du Ꮫ ꮫ 13DB ABAB dv
Ꮬ
Ꮭ 		ꮬ
ꮭ 		13DC
13DD 		ABAC
ABAD 		dla
tla 		Ꮮ ꮮ 13DE ABAE tle Ꮯ ꮯ 13DF ABAF tli Ꮰ ꮰ 13E0 ABB0 tlo Ꮱ ꮱ 13E1 ABB1 tlu Ꮲ ꮲ 13E2 ABB2 tlv
Ꮳ ꮳ 13E3 ABB3 tsa Ꮴ ꮴ 13E4 ABB4 tse Ꮵ ꮵ 13E5 ABB5 tsi Ꮶ ꮶ 13E6 ABB6 tso Ꮷ ꮷ 13E7 ABB7 tsu Ꮸ ꮸ 13E8 ABB8 tsv
Ꮹ ꮹ 13E9 ABB9 wa Ꮺ ꮺ 13EA ABBA we Ꮻ ꮻ 13EB ABBB wi Ꮼ ꮼ 13EC ABBC wo Ꮽ ꮽ 13ED ABBD wu Ꮾ ꮾ 13EE ABBE wv
Ꮿ ꮿ 13EF ABBF ya Ᏸ ᏸ 13F0 13F8 ye Ᏹ ᏹ 13F1 13F9 yi Ᏺ ᏺ 13F2 13FA yo Ᏻ ᏻ 13F3 13FB yu Ᏼ ᏼ 13F4 13FC yv

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syllabic breakdown

In the lists of day, month and color words, syllables are marked by hyphens or spaces. Why? —Tamfang (talk) 18:08, 27 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Don't know why, but it's pretty common in learning materials. It's easier for a beginner to read them with the dashes, and it helps a bit with remembering the syllabary. --Djembayz (talk) 01:41, 30 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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New book on pitch patterns

New book on pitch patterns: Tone and Accent in Oklahoma Cherokee by Hiroto Uchihara, 2016, Oxford University Press Jodi.a.schneider (talk) 20:10, 2 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Anything worth merging?

Hi! I had a student create a draft article, however they never made their edits live. (User:Oi40/Cherokee) I was wondering if anything from the draft would be worth merging offhand, so I wanted to make a mention of this here. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 15:31, 26 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Could this be used?

Hi! I had a student a while back who drafted some work in her sandbox. I'm not sure what should be moved into the article space, so I wanted to drop it here just in case anything can be used: User:Oi40/Cherokee Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 20:29, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I redirected an article back here

See Talk:Status of the Cherokee language for the reasons and that article's history for potential content that might be useful here. Biosthmors (talk) pls notify me (i.e. {{U}}) while signing a reply, thx 23:31, 13 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hellenic substrate in Cherokee or language shift

https://dnaconsultants.com/cherokees-spoke-greek-came-east-mediterranean. This is a site that explains that there is Greek influence in Cherokee language and art. There are even small remnants of Greek D.N.A in Cherokees. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:587:860A:6300:DC6D:2D94:795D:F009 (talk) 15:27, 23 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Introduction: Native American Language with most Published Literature

The introduction section states that Cherokee is the Native language of the Americas with the most published literature, but only offers the bible as an example. I'm pretty sure the bible has been translated into most every extant language of the Americas (amirite?). It would be nice to have better examples, since Cherokee does hold this honored distinction. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2402:7500:445:5CA4:B18F:F0D8:D6D1:3505 (talk) 16:45, 28 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Durbin Feeling Language Center and other updates

A new draft for a Durbin Feeling, Cherokee National Treasure page includes language classes, books and the future learning center authorized in 2019. It would be great to mention Durbin Feeling, a Cherokee Linguist, and link to this page at least once in this article. Collaboration is appreciated! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Durbin_Feeling,_Cherokee_National_Treasure

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