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I think the name Iranian attack on Israel is better. This is an attack like never before. In addition, this is an attack with different types of weapons (assuming we will find out later that there was also a cyber dimension and the like). Galamore (talk) 21:09, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support but this should probably be a move discussion Lukt64 (talk) 21:09, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No. Because someone just forwarded the article without waiting for further opinions.Galamore (talk) 21:11, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose There have been previous strikes on Israel by Iran, so for now let's leave it with the current name. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 21:15, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support as in not calling it anything like Iran-Israel war. Calling it that when all of this could be over a week from now makes no sense to me. Poklane (talk) 21:15, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose The "assuming" is pure WP:CRYSTAL and doesn't have its place here. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 21:18, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm. What was this "attack" a response to?

Don't bomb embassies. 2607:FEA8:A4E5:6A00:C057:A3A3:66EE:A4B (talk) 21:20, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The appropriate title was 2024 Iranian strikes on Israel, the page has been repeatedly moved without discussion. AusLondonder (talk) 21:23, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add belligerents

Since the US and the UK are shooting down drones they should be added 2A02:3100:5E50:FE00:E00D:4ED6:3FF8:30AE (talk) 21:11, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have a source for that? Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 21:51, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unbalanced Background section

The Background section focuses in an extremely WP:UNDUE way on the October 7 attacks and on Hamas, describing them in gruesome detail, while making little mention of the more direct background (the Israeli missile strike) that led to the confrontation. One or two sentences discussing the context (October 7 attacks and Israel-Hamas war) should be fine, but having several paragraphs give it a weight that isn't in the reliable sources and are not needed as immediate background, while the recent escalation of tensions between Iran and Israel could be more elaborated upon. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 21:12, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yep I've tried to remove some of it but every time I get an edit conflict. AusLondonder (talk) 21:19, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest the "Background" section should only discuss in-depth the missile strike and any other events directly connected by WP:RS consensus to the current strikes. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 21:21, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Appears to be fixed already, thanks a lot! Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 21:34, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for noticing, and aiming to keep it simple and succinct so that this does not become a battleground Dreameditsbrooklyn (talk) 21:37, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

By "gruesome detail" do you mean "lies"? Before it was edited, it read like an Israeli PR release. 2607:FEA8:A4E5:6A00:C057:A3A3:66EE:A4B (talk) 22:23, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Change to sentence case

As it is, the article is not in sentence case as strikes is not a proper noun. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 21:18, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is due to the article being moved 3 times in 10 seconds, stopping the old name without capital S being used. Lukt64 (talk) 21:20, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support speedy move per MOS:MILTERMS and WP:MILNAME. SaintPaulOfTarsus (talk) 21:22, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support speedy move: completely uncontroversial BappleBusiness^[talk] 21:58, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"ICBM missiles"

The claim in the article that there are ICBMs heading towards Israel doesn't seem substantiated by the source. Not all missiles are ICBMs. There are less than 1000km between Iran and Israel and ICBMs have a range of over 5000km. 109.101.157.168 (talk) 21:21, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agree. I removed it. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 21:24, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 13 April 2024

The request to rename this article to 2024 Iranian strikes in Israel has been carried out.

If the page title has consensus, be sure to close this discussion using {{subst:RM top|'''page moved'''.}} and {{subst:RM bottom}} and remove the {{Requested move/dated|…}} tag, or replace it with the {{subst:Requested move/end|…}} tag.

2024 Iranian Strikes in Israel → 2024 Iranian strikes in Israel – No need to capitalize the word strikes. RodRabelo7 (talk) 21:26, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also, shouldn't it be "on", not "in"? Triggerhippie4 (talk) 21:28, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not a native English speaker here, but there are the pages 2024 Iranian missile strikes in Iraq and Syria and 2024 Iranian missile strikes in Pakistan. RodRabelo7 (talk) 21:31, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: I think in is preferred in those cases because the strikes targeted non-state actors in those countries and not, say, the regular armies of the countries. As a native U.S. English speaker, strikes on seems to imply the latter, but this could be semantics. SaintPaulOfTarsus (talk) 22:09, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support speedy move although the page already exists as a redirect to this article. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 21:28, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is left up to technical requests. Lukt64 (talk) 21:30, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment This page has been listed at WP:RM/T requesting that the undiscussed moves are reverted. AusLondonder (talk) 21:32, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Military history, WikiProject Palestine, WikiProject Military history/Post-Cold War task force, WikiProject International relations, WikiProject Syria, WikiProject Israel, WikiProject Israel Palestine Collaboration, WikiProject Yemen, WikiProject Iran, and WikiProject Islam have been notified of this discussion. RodRabelo7 (talk) 21:31, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support speedy move to sentence case, we can get consensus for "in" vs "on" later. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 21:32, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support speedy move to revert back to the proper, correct version with the lower case. Triggerhippie4 (talk) 21:39, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1. Speedy move to correct sentence case (lowercase S), and 2. the correct preposition "on" (instead of "in" - which would only be correct if they were launched from Israel, which is not the case. Widefox; talk 21:54, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What would be the correct title for the other two pages mentioned above? Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 21:55, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support speedy move: completely uncontroversial BappleBusiness^[talk] 21:58, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Page has since been moved to 2024 Iranian strikes against Israel, which has also updated the requested move template above, giving it a misleading appearance. Please note that comments prior to 22:00 UTC were not necessarily opposed to the current name. SaintPaulOfTarsus (talk) 22:13, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@SaintPaulOfTarsus, there are two different pages that uses the preposition "in" instead of "against"... See Category:Drone strikes conducted by Iran. Should we move those two pages? RodRabelo7 (talk) 23:01, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rod Rabelo: My intention was to simply point out that when you started the discussion, the article title was 2024 Iranian Strikes in Israel. It is now 2024 Iranian strikes against Israel, but the requested move template now reads It has been proposed in this section that 2024 Iranian strikes against Israel be renamed and moved to 2024 Iranian strikes in Israel, which was not the discussion when the comments above were made. Regards SaintPaulOfTarsus (talk) 23:04, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add commanders and leaders in lists

add names of Iranian president etc GeopoliticalSphygmomanometry (talk) 21:30, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Supreme Leader is the de facto leader of Iran, is there any evidence that the President is in charge of the operation? Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 21:33, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Should it not be 'have yet to reach Israel' instead of 'are yet to reach Israel' ?

73.72.101.57 (talk) 21:33, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Forgot to log in when I made this, fuck. BurnerAcountOneThousandAndOne (talk) 21:34, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 21:35, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, thanks anyway BurnerAcountOneThousandAndOne (talk) 21:38, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They have reached Israel. Air raids sirens in Tel Aviv right now PalauanLibertarian^🗣️ 22:07, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

cry 2607:FEA8:A4E5:6A00:C057:A3A3:66EE:A4B (talk) 22:38, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pictures

i do not know how to add pictures to Wikipedia i have some footage that can be added as Pictures of the drones in Israël Basedenverist on tiktok (talk) 22:22, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:UploadWizard PalauanLibertarian^🗣️ 22:35, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strength

add Iron Dome on Israëls strength side cuz that's what their using to counter them Basedenverist on tiktok (talk) 22:23, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done SaintPaulOfTarsus (talk) 22:29, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge with Israeli bombing of the embassy?

That’s it MoMoChohan (talk) 22:34, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Part of the Iran–Israel proxy conflict, Iran–Israel conflict during the Syrian civil war, Israel–Hamas war, and Israel–Hezbollah conflict (2023–present)

The "part of" parameter in military infoboxes tends to get a little out of hand, but these strikes are currently classified as "part of" four larger conflicts, those being the Iran–Israel proxy conflict, the Iran–Israel conflict during the Syrian civil war, the Israel–Hamas war, and the Israel–Hezbollah conflict (2023–present).

I do not believe these strikes could reasonably be considered part of a proxy conflict as one party in the conflict is directly striking the other party. I also find that these events have a tangential connection to Syria and little bearing on the internal civil war going on there. The latter two I find reasonable.

Please discuss. SaintPaulOfTarsus (talk) 22:36, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Added a picture no permission

I have added a picture of a Iranian suicide drone in Israel shot down can't upload in wiki page cuz no permission Basedenverist on tiktok (talk) 22:44, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You cannot just upload random images you find. You need the copyright permission PalauanLibertarian^🗣️ 22:47, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What is the picture file Lukt64 (talk) 22:47, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Iranian_drone_shot_down.jpg PalauanLibertarian^🗣️ 22:52, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, that's how copyright works. You can ask the person who took the picture to release it under a matching license (as CC BY-SA, not just "to use on Wikipedia" because of licensing shenanigans), or find/upload another picture whose creator released under a permissive license. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 23:13, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Navy

Is the navy also supposed to be added because I'm pretty sure their also going to get involved to shoot down the drones Basedenverist on tiktok (talk) 22:56, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unless a source says they have, they will not be added. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 22:58, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

CNN has said the United States air defence is getting involved in this So in strength a USA air defence maybe? Basedenverist on tiktok (talk) 23:01, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please provide URL links to your sources SaintPaulOfTarsus (talk) 23:06, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add France and the US to the list of belligerents

France and the US are involved in the conflict as per WSJ reports: here and here Screen111 (talk) 22:59, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Iran attacks U.S. bases in Iraq

OSINT sources say U.S. Forces at Erbil International Airport and Al-Asad Airbase in Western Iraq are under attack. Let's wait for better sources for confirmation Anime King (talk) 23:06, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Should Jordan be listed as a supporter in the belligerents?

Jordan is listed here because Jordan stated they will shoot down any Iranian missiles that go through their airspace, but is that not just how closing your airspace works? Several other countries closed their airspace and I don't know that this meaningfully counts as Jordan offering Israel support. I get listing the US because the US is actually defending Israel, but it seems like Jordan is just enforcing the closure of Jordanian airspace? Vanilla Wizard 💙 23:13, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]