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Former good articleTila Tequila was one of the good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
Article milestones
DateProcessResult
August 13, 2006Good article nomineeListed
December 21, 2007Peer reviewReviewed
December 22, 2007Featured article candidateNot promoted
December 24, 2008Good article reassessmentDelisted
Current status: Delisted good article

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Sexual Abuse

I didn’t want to go tossing this into such a good article without some vetting from the community. Tila was recently on the sexuality/health radio show Loveline, and recounted that she had her first orgasm was she only five years old (!). This occurred when she and a close female friend of hers (who was 7 or 8) hid in closet and the friend performed some kind of sex act on her. This is known as “child-on-child sexual abuse,” [[1]] and is extremely common and very unfortunate. She was highly dismissive of it as a problem until the physician host pointed it out. The link to a recording of the show from Westwood One is here: http://fetch.noxsolutions.com/loveline/mp3/loveline_20071105_low.mp3 Listen in about 38 minutes or so. Should this be added to her Early Years? On the one hand, it is a personal matter. But on the other, she volunteered it on national radio, and there does not seem to be much cause to doubt that it is true. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.221.80.214 (talk) 17:49, 8 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Even if that is true, I don't think it's important enough to mention in the article. She also got her first tattoo and everything at fifteen, that's not mentioned either. She did a lot of things that are not mentioned in the early life, probably because it's going to make it way too long or it's all just not that important to mention compared to other things. ― LADY GALAXY ★彡 Refill/lol 22:15, 17 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Respectfully disagree. I think both her very early sexual assault and her getting tattoos are relevant and would go in a good biography of a subject. We shouldn't delve into why or speculate the outcomes of these events unless a WP:RS states them for us to use but these are significant touchstones in a person's development even if you or I don't personally think it's that big of deal. Per policy we should dispassionately and neutrally write about the person. If an article grows too large it can be split if needed. Benjiboi 14:21, 9 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
So do we have the reliable sources to back this up. I haven't heard anyting about these until this topic came up. --wL<speak·check> 09:59, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I think we have reliable sourcing but nothing too pronounced. I'm reticent to include it until she's or someone knowledgeable delves into the matter more. I didn't listen to the radio interview but if someone's inspired a transcript could be helpful to decide what weight to apply to this. -- Banjeboi 21:33, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This is called playing doctor. Not child on child abuse. Unless it can be confirmed that the child did not want any part of it.Richco07 (talk) 02:47, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Vietnamese name

Need diacritics in Vietnamese name, and an explanation of which is the surname. Badagnani (talk) 02:23, 21 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Since her old name was Tila Nguyen, I think it's obvious the surname of her Vietnamese name is Nguyen. Unlike Chinese and Japanese, Vietnamese surnames are at the end... just like English. And I don't think we need diacritics, because it's pronounced the way it's spelled. Lady Galaxy 23:16, 24 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know where you got your information but Vietnamese names follow the same conventions as other East Asian names. DHN (talk) 20:37, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]


A shot at love 2?

anyone want to put something in about the new season? it has just premiered and will run on tuesdays.Kmccusker2 03:14, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Done. -- Banjeboi 21:44, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

GA Reassessment

This discussion is transcluded from Talk:Tila Tequila/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the reassessment.

I feel that Tila Tequila no longer meets the good article criteria. The lead does not adequately summarize then article; it's more of a summary of the magazines she's been in; fairly low mentioned of her reality shows (both seasons) and nothing on music information. There are two {{fact}} tags as well in the body of the article, while other things are just clearly not cited. There hasn't even been much work on the article either, as most edits vandalism and reverts. DiverseMentality 06:31, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that the lead section does not provide a useful overview of the subject, as well as the citation needed templates as well. But other than that, I do not see much else that has been uncited. There are a few sections that have full paragraphs cited to one source, however. If you feel something is not cited, please {{fact}} it. --wL<speak·check> 08:36, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I added quite a few under 'Music career' alone; from that, I feel it proves the article does not meet the GA criteria. DiverseMentality 23:19, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Not to be rude, but did you do this properly? I do not see very many comments, and this should of been with Wikipedia:Good article reassessment as "Result Pending". ★Dasani★ 23:56, 19 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I did, read here. DiverseMentality 01:08, 20 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It has been two weeks and the article still does not meet the good article criteria and is therefore being delisted. Please address any and all concerns before renominating this article for good article status. Thank you. DiverseMentality 20:40, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Vietnamese American

The article states that she is a vietnamese american. Was she naturalized, and has become an American, or is she a child born to an american citizen in singapore? I will be placing a citation missing next this statement until someone can provide one.--207.114.206.48 (talk) 02:54, 25 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Tila is of Vietnamese descent but born in Singapore. She moved to Texas at the age of one and then received American citizenship then and there, along with her siblings. I don't see what is really confusing about her being Vietnamese-American... Please don't put a citation tag there, I don't think we need a reference for someone's race. Earlier versions of her official website state that she is, indeed, Vietnamese, and "Yes, I speak Vietnamese very well. Don't let the blond hair fool you!". Even this article with NY Times claims she's Vietnamese, she says so herself in it. ★Dasani★ 20:51, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The reason for putting the citation request there is that even though she may have moved here at one year of age she may not have been naturalized, and thus not a citizen. If this is the case, she maybe better defined as a Vietnamese-Singaporean. I am not questioning her ethnic descent, but her citizenship status. There is nothing wrong with that.--207.114.206.48 (talk) 12:02, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Further reason why I am requesting citation, was I wanted to add her in the InfoBox of the Asian American page, but was unsure as to her citizenship, as she would provide additional balance there.--207.114.206.48 (talk) 12:06, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
She is already at the infobox of Vietnamese American. Anyway, I'm removing the tag again... If they put her on that page, it should be good enough. ★Dasani★ 05:27, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Without citation, it is a claim of naturalization, and thus she can only be verified as a Vietnamese-Singaporean. I understand why you want to remove the citation request, however to do so would violate the reason why the citation request was made in the first place. Now, unless you have come up with a citation for the statement made in the same page, it should either be removed, or the citation request should remain, as per the appropriate Wikipedia policy. I implore you, please correct me if I am wrong, but if I am not, please leave my edit asking for the verification as is.--207.114.206.48 (talk) 13:12, 3 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I have asked for her placement in the infobox in the Vietnamese American article to be rescinded until which time her citizenship can be verified, as indicated in that article's talk page. Furthermore I am including a dispute tag to this article until this dispute is resolved.--207.114.206.48 (talk) 13:35, 3 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Proof of citizenship is unnecessary, since the article did not define it as "a citizen of the United States" but rather as "a resident of the United States", in line with all academic definitions. Besides, the vast majority of foreign-born Vietnamese in the United States are US citizens. DHN (talk) 20:34, 3 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
You are right a Vietnamese American is anyone who is of Vietnamese ethnic descent and who is either a citizen or legal resident of the United States, thus the US Nationality, with the Vietnamese Ethnicity. However, even though the cited references as to her coming from Singapore are there, and show that she has lived most of her life here in the US. No where in there does it say she was naturalized or was she granted legal residency here in the US. For all we know she could be unaware of her status legal or otherwise in the US, and just assumed she was legally here. But again, we don't know the other way either. All that the policy ask is verification, and that is all I am asking. Assumption is not verification.
I would be more than happy to have her nationality verified, and so the dispute can be removed, but until that times, the tag should remain, as should the fact tag. --207.114.206.48 (talk) 13:10, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Honestly, to me, this does not make a lot of sense. Are you going to just tag everybody who is an Asian American celebrity? With this kind of logic, let's just remove the "Vietnamese" part, and leave it at American... because that's what we did for Rosalind Chao and Lucy Liu. ★Dasani★ 05:57, 5 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
She's involved in a lawsuit in a district court, and signed contracts with record companies and major networks. Wouldn't they know if she's been living illegally in the US for almost 30 years? DHN (talk) 00:25, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Actually she can be verified to be of Vietnamese ethnicity, therefore removing the "Vietnamese" part, as you stated it is verified, and thus the American part is what would be removed if we were taking verification into account, which the other person is asking asking.
Non-Citizens can sue in US court. However, if those suits or other legal documents do note her citizenship, or nationality then that will surely be enough to verify it.--72.199.146.58 (talk) 07:25, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
You do not have my point, Mr. Anonymous. Or rather, you do, but it is turned upside down. I meant that if you're picking on the Asian celebrities in America, such as Tila, simply because there's nothing to prove that they are, indeed, American citizens and not boat people from Asia, than... why not just go ahead and tag all the other Asian American celebrities? You said, "I think the other poster [Dasani] is trying to say we should just leave it at Chinese/Vietnamese/Korean/Taiwanese and so be it..." I meant the complete opposite: Remove "Vietnamese" and leave it at American. There's no proof that Lucy Liu and Rosalind Chao are American citizens, either. Their parents moved from China. So what? Why not go tag them? But you can't do that, because it says they are simply "American celebrities" (namely, actresses). So what I'm saying is, why not remove the "Vietnamese" bit for Tila and just say she's American? What's all this about? I don't want to be rude or anything, but you honestly have nothing better to do than dispute an already-controversial Vietnamese internet celeb on Wikipedia? ★Dasani★ 06:15, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
My problem is not with her ethnicity, or with the fact that she is a celebrity in the United States. My issue, and thus the tag, which I see has been removed, is that it is not verified that she is a US Citizen, or legal resident. What can be verified is the following: She was born to Vietnamese Parents in Signapore, She moved to Texas at an early age, that she is a celebrity here in the United States. What is not verified is whether she was naturalized or attained legal residency. Therefore, it would be appropriate, and be verified to call her a Vietnamese-Singaporean who is a celebrity in the United States. It would also be appropriate to call her a Vietnamese celebrity in the United States. However, without validation, and thus my initial citation request, it would not be appropraite to call her a Vietnamese American Celebrity in the United States.--207.114.206.48 (talk) 07:39, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
If it can be reasonably questioned whether someone is not a natural born citizen, a naturalized citizen, a US national, or having legal residency then it would be appropriate as you stated to ask for citation of their nationality. I question not her ethnicity, as that is cited fact, what is not cited is her nationality.--207.114.206.48 (talk) 07:39, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but that is exactly what I am saying. You do not question an Asian celebrity because they are Korean, Chinese, Vietnamese, and so forth. You are doubting the truthfulness of her being a "legalized American citizen". However, my point to you is that... why not go tag Lucy Liu and Rosalind Chao? Where is the proof that those two women are also American citizens? No one ever doubted it, but if you're on Tila for it... ★Dasani★ 23:18, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Because both are citizens of the United States because they were both born in the United States. That is why I see no need to tag either Lucy Liu or Rosalind Chao. What is verified here is that the subject of this article, Tila Nguyen, was born in Singapore, and then moved to the US in her infancy. Residing in the US doesn't equate citizenship, naturalization, or legal residency. Now if you wish to tag either of those articles to ask for citation of where they were born, you are free to do so. I did not tag her being stated as a Vietnamese American because I questioned that she was born in Singapore, was ethnically Vietnamese, or that she was a celebrity here in America. I questioned her being termed Vietnamese American because there is no citible documentation of her being a US Citizen, US National, or having legal residency in the United States.--207.114.206.48 (talk) 12:09, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
What about Kaila Yu and Joanna Wang? (The first is a former Playboy model similar to Tila, complete with literally over a million friends on MySpace and bikini photos, and the second a successful up-and-coming singer from my high school.) ★Dasani★ 00:05, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for looking out. I will tag those accordingly.
I tagged Kaila Yu, but I note that Joanna Wang's article doesn't claim her to be an American National, Citizen, or legal resident. Therefore, no need to tag the latter article.--207.114.206.48 (talk) 11:23, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
However, Tila voted in elections... They do not allow illegal immigrants (or more colloquially, "aliens") to vote. Also, what about her driver's license and the fact that she worked a string of typical jobs (at mall clothing stores and restaurants) in high school? All job applications require identification in one way or another, and they ask if you are a citizen. ★Dasani★ 08:06, 20 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Also, your attempt to remove the photo from the infobox at Asian American has since been reverted. Look in the edit history for further details. ★Dasani★ 08:13, 20 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Just because she voted, doesn't mean she didn't do so illegaly. There are documented events of illegals voting in State and Federal Elections, so it's not outside the realm of posibility. However, if you can show that via her voting she was naturalized, through possibly a copy of her voter registration form, then that would be sufficient citation to have her nationality be confirmed as American.
I noticed that, and since I haven't gotten an account, I cannot edit it, but I think it is silly that they aren't taken her presently disputed nationality into account, but I will bring it up again, in time.--207.114.206.48 (talk) 11:12, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Your requirement of a "voter registration form" or "naturalization papers" is ridiculous. If a citation can be found that she voted in an American election, I'll be satisfied with that. DHN (talk) 19:33, 23 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Can't believe how long this thread is getting.
Anyway, Here it is. That video was actually posted on her website and blog, before you go on saying it's a sham. Look in November 2008.★Dasani★ 23:38, 23 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
If not Naturalization Papers, or voter registration form, then how else do you propose that someone's citizenship/nationality be verified, i.e. cited? Again, the act of voting, can be done, and has been done, by those whom weren't legally eligble to vote, and thus it would be a crime. It could even occur without the person realizing that they were breaking a law, but a law broken none the less. I do not question the validity of the video, I question that it isn't sufficient to cite her nationality/citizenship.--207.114.206.48 (talk) 10:27, 25 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I am not certain about a number of things.

  1. Is the term supposed to describe her ethnicity, her origin-residence, her citizenship or what?
  2. Why is anyone so concerned about this issue that it is necessary to be combative about it for a month?
  3. Why is this the only issue that is under such dispute.

If the term is supposed to describe her ethnicity, she is Vietnamese. (Ethnicity is genetically related.) If the term is to describe her origin-residence she is either Vietnamese/American or Singaporean/American. If the term is to describe her citizenship, why is it an issue? Is she at risk for deportation? Has she voted illegally? (Please provide documentation.) Whose business is it?
Skipping to 3, have flags been put on her date of birth, place of birth or her place of residence?

I think this matter should be referred to an administrator with the aim of sanctions.

JimCubb (talk) 19:09, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I never thought that I was being combative, but I was asking for citable verification of her nationality/citizenship. The question is not about her ethnic descent, as that is clearly cited in other citations given. I am not saying that she has voted illegally, or that she is at risk of deportation, but what is not stated in any of the cited sources is her nationality/citizenship in such a way that it clears up the dispute. As presently worded there is no dispute. As for woes business it is, one of the reasons for Wikipedia is to provide well sourced and verified information that has no bias. Since her nationality/citizenship is not sourced or verified, it was flaggable.--207.114.206.48 (talk) 10:48, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A Vietnamese-American (Vietnamese: người Mỹ gốc Việt) is a resident of the United States who is of Vietnamese heritage. This is the first sentence of the linked article. Notice that it only refers to heritage (genes) and residence. It does not refer to citizenship. Is there any dispute about the woman's heritage or residence?

JimCubb (talk) 22:52, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I would say that ends the entire argument. If someone would have posted that a month ago, just think of how much time could have been saved. Thank you for putting an end to the dispute on this page. Any dispute about the definition of Vietnamese-American can be moved to another discussion page. Thank you! Plastikspork (talk) 23:32, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
At this time I have called into question that beginning sentence of the article mentioned. However, an editor there did not assume my good faith in attempting to improve the article, but instead removed my edits (adding a flag questioning the sentence) as me attempting to interject my own POV. Therefore, the discussion really should be what the word American means, whether it only relates to were one resides or ones nationality/citizenship. And as you said Plastikspork, this is a discussion for another page, but is relevent to this page and all others that use any (insert here)-American terminology. Since there is no wikipedia guideline that I can find so far regarding how exactly the term should be used, anyone can flag, dispute, and discuss any discussion as to the use of the American. Furthermore, as stated in the Wikipedia:Manual of Style (biographies) it clearly states that there is still no concensus, therefore, such terms are flag worthy until such guideline is provided.--207.114.206.48 (talk) 10:03, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

her websites

I seem to remember she had two different websites going at the same time a few years ago, one was tilashotpot.com and the other I can't quite remember, but I remember joining one of the two and she had alot of good nude videos on it and picture sets and stuff. Too bad she stopped with the paysite format, it was one of the better sites on the net for the price at the time (I think it was $19.99 a month)

does anyone remember the name of her other site? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nustran (talk • contribs) 04:50, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tilashotspot.com was the only site that had the "pay and see nudes of me!" thing going on; Wayback Machine confirms this and I remember seeing glimpses of it myself (a bit upsetting because I'm an Asian female, too). If you saw anything else, it was probably just free clips or pictures on adult websites.
Might be a bit too raunchy for Wikipedia, but that's what it is. ★Dasani★ 00:41, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

thanks dasani, but I still beg to differ, I am sure that she was involved in both sites because there were links back and forth between them (an don't be upset, the body is a beautiful thing, it is natural to see beauty in it) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nustran (talk • contribs) 07:59, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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