Talk:Wes Anderson

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Collaborators/Recurring Collaborators

If there's a hard-and-fast rule for this that I'm unaware of, I apologize, but is it really necessary to include people who have worked with Wes Anderson only twice on the list of Recurring Collaborators? Yes, they worked together twice, and that makes them recurring, sure. But does that make it significant enough for inclusion?

Unrelated: Again, I'm not familiar with the stylistic conventions here, but should there be a section on Collaborators AND a grid of Recurring Collaborators? It seems redundant.

Viralhyena (talk) 18:58, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Milena Canonero has worked with Wes Anderson twice, but she's a very significant costume designer. The costume designer before her worked with Wes Anderson on his first three films.--70.178.226.227 (talk) 07:51, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

I agree the "Recurring collaborators" table isn't really necessary. His most important collaborations are mentioned in the prose. The table seems to be mostly trivia rather than encyclopedic information. I'll go ahead and remove it. Kaldari (talk) 17:02, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

If anyone wants to keep the table, please explain why. It's been up for discussion for 3 years, and no one has bothered defending it. Also since this is a BLP, the entries in the table should probably be cited. Kaldari (talk) 17:29, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

I am surprised that the current version of this chart has been removed. I am not sure what kind of trivia people were complaining about ten years ago, but the chart as it was yesterday was very informative, and reflected a specific trait of the director's modus operandi. I would bring it back.--Megustalastrufas (talk) 10:30, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

All in favour of putting the list back in the article say aye Kirbopher2004 (talk) 20:13, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Oppose reinserting unless there's a better argument than WP:INTERESTING. I might be persuaded to change my mind if there's sources that have commented on these collaborations. DonIago (talk) 20:32, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Support the reinsertion, that's my vote. Sources would be nice for sure. SweetTaylorJames (talk) 09:05, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

Support the reinsertion, on the basis of e.g. this source Los Angeles Times--Megustalastrufas (talk) 10:41, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Support came here expecting the table to still be here and was sad to not see it, having recently watched his latest movie and recognizing cast from his previous. theAfroDuckMann (talk) 3 November 2021 — Preceding undated comment added 06:57, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Ok so I will now undo the reversion that removed the table and hopefully it will last longer Kirbopher2004 (talk) 07:34, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

It is now back Kirbopher2004 (talk) 07:41, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Roman Polanski Petition

My original addition (in the 'controversy' section) was as follows:

"Anderson has also signed a petition demanding the immediate release of self confessed child rapist and fugitive Roman Polanski following Polanski's much publicized September 2009 arrest in Switzerland." (citations to the petition, as well as CNN and LA Times coverage are omitted here)

This was deleted as 'unverifiable'

First a few (readily verifiable) facts:

1) Wes Anderson signed a entertainment industry petition demanding Roman Polanski's immediate release

2) Roman Polanski plead guilty in California to having sex with a minor, if you'd like to consult wikipedia regarding the definition of rape you'll find that this in fact constitutes rape (based solely on age of consent). If you'd like to consult wikipeida regarding the definition of a minor then you'll discover that he thereby he plead guilt to the rape of a child. He is, by consequence, literally and precisely a self confessed child rapist, exactly as described. If that strikes you as too technical you can consult testimony concerning that case that has recently been made public on The Smoking Gun, in which the 13 year old victim states that she was drugged, and told Mr. Polanski 'no' on numerous occasions before he orally, vaginally, and anally raped her. Let's move along...

3) The petition has attracted wide attention, and the position it advocates has attracted almost unanimous criticism in the United States (and by some accounts even amongst average Europeans).

There were links provided to the petition showing that it was signed by Wes Anderson, together with a text of the petition (documenting that it demanded the immediate release of Roman Polanski), together with an editorial from a major outlets critizing that petition. That was offhand, as there are LOTS of pundits all over the place criticizing that petition. But the information is deleted as unverifiable? Garbage.

How about this, what particular aspect of my addition is even possibly subject to dispute?

I'm going to wait a bit and then sign back and put the material back on with carefully listed links. Or better still, I'll trust that someone else will reinstate the material in the meantime, certainly with whatever clean up in formatting or diction as might improve it. If this is something other than a Wes Anderson fanboy page, and Wikipedia even presumes to be taken seriously as a source of reasonably objective information there is absolutely no reason that this shouldn't occur. The matter is full documented by sources that are widely available, and if you don't think this is a source of major controversy you haven't watched five minutes of news or used the internet in the last week. We can go through the exercise of documenting the controversy too if that helps you feel better, although I'd suggest that whoever is manipulating the record here on Mr. Anderson's behalf should probably cut their losses before insisting on endless citations of regular people expressing their utter disgust for Mr. Polanski and his defenders.

Would someone rather this not be publicized right before a children's movie 'Fantastic Mr. Fox' from Mr. Anderson comes out? If you want to use manipulation to squelch what is now a matter of undeniable fact and public record you're simply going to prompt wider attention be paid to the matter. The man has committed himself to public support, perhaps he should not follow Mr. Polanski's example and take whatever credit or consequence accrues to his decisions in this instance.

Incidentally, I've been a long time fan of Wes Anderson, own all his films, and have recommended his movies to innumerable people over the years. The only reason I even opted to get involved in this is because of how utterly dissapointed, and even betrayed I felt seeing him demanding a child rapist be excused from justice by virtue (the wrong word, certainly) of his fame and wealth. That's just context as my personal feelings have no bearing here whatsoever - neither should those of whoever would rather obscure his very public involvement in this matter. I'm giving the benefit of the doubt by assuming that the motivation is something other than mercenary, and the editor is someone other than a PR firm lackey.

Compression of space

The "compression of space" description is utter nonsense. I won't remove it, but I am almost certain compression of space describes the compression that arises from using telephoto lenses; it causes the foreground and background to seem closer than they really are. I've yet to find any reference to "compression of space" referring to the use of one lens exclusively in filmmaking.

• I have never heard Wes Anderson say "Compression of space" instead of Telephoto Lens. The word Telephoto sticks out so well that you just can't forget it. I recall him (W.A.) mentioning the lenses multiple times in the Life aquatic documentaries. -fkylw 4:03 PM July, 19 (CST)

Constant Vandalism, "Mortimer"

This page is being vandalized with someone constantly adding "Mortimer" as a middle name. This is absolutely not factual information. The user never uses the same IP address but all of the changes are coming from the same area of Illinois. I am a very new user and don't have the knowledge or skills to properly stop this, instead, I find myself reverting the info back all the time.

Can we lock-down that bit on info and make the name unalterable? This has been going on for over a year, there is no way to block or warn the user as they never use the same IP (Sockpuppetry). Can someone please help?--81.64.38.94 (talk) 11:51, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

The article has been semiprotected until January. This means that anonymous editors won't be able to change the article. I hope this addresses your concern. EdJohnston (talk) 20:00, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

This just happened again. While one instance obviously doesn't constitute a pattern, something we should keep an eye on. If it continues an WP:RFPP may be in order. DonIago (talk) 15:43, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Unsourced Material

Below information was tagged for needing sources for over a year. Feel free to incorporate into the article with appropriate references. Doniago (talk) 21:01, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

critical acclaim section

The section about which of his films has received critical acclaim is v. subjective and not inkeeping w/ wikistyle. I propose removing Xyphoid (talk) 21:57, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

article needs some work

I'm rather surprised that this article does not mention him being the grandson of Edgar Rice Burroughs. In fact, this article doesn't do a very good job at actually communicating anything about Wes Anderson beyond filmography and award nominations. As a Wikipedia user, this was very disappointing. Sadly I do not have the time or resources to learn how to edit Wikipedia articles or contribute to this in a meaningful way. 69.122.4.110 (talk) 04:40, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

If you have reliable sources for your information, even just listing them here would be a start. Better would be being bold and adding the information yourself, but I understand your concerns about editing. DonIago (talk) 13:48, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

New Section on his style and techniques

I added a new section on Anderson's style and techniques. The section is fully cited to a number of high quality outside sources. I think it is a good start to a much needed addition to this article. I previously added this section back in the spring but some tyrant editor deleted it immediately for no good reason. I am asking that editors not to delete this section but make changes or suggestions for how it could be improved instead. A great way to stifle the improvement of Wikipedia is to speedily delete worthwhile additions for being imperfect. Mbroderick271 (talk) 19:18, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

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Thoughts on the Page

The facts presented in this aricle have appropriate references. Most of the references are from media cites such as Entertainment Weekly, others from BBC or the WSJ. Most everything that needs to be cited is properly notated, with relevance and no real distrations outside of the large charts, which I find necessary. As far as I'm aware, there are no realclaims or biases, no statements out of reach that would make Anderson seem a certain way. The information is from different sources, no one source overused. I have no real ground to critique the article on Anderson: the references are good, there are no viewpoints that are out of bounds, and there is no real plagarism. Without reading too much into it, I have hardly any suggestions as to how to change the page. The only minor suggestion I would have is to perhaps find a way to condense the charts or find more sources outside of entertainment sites (though it makes sense why those are used).

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Subject's full name.

I have removed the "Mortimer" from the subject's name. This appears to be a totally unsubstantiated (maybe vandal) edit at https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wes_Anderson&type=revision&diff=314421752&oldid=313996464. It then seems that two years later it appear in the reference "Browning, Mark (2 February 2011). Wes Anderson: Why His Movies Matter (Modern Filmmakers). Praeger. p. 190. ISBN 9781598843538.", since there is no other reference for this name, it's prudent to assume that the book's author got the name from Wikipedia. One should also note that the name is refuted by the subject's team at OTRS Ticket:2018120310011079 Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 22:02, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for this. I'd been going back and forth on it, as there appeared to be a source to back it up, but if the source has been refuted, that's good to know. Can an inline note be inserted if not already present? DonIago (talk) 01:32, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

@Doniago: I've done the inline note already. Also the subject has been kind enough to send a copy of his proper birth certificate into OTRS - obviously that's not a reliable source (as you cannot see it), but it's better than nothing. Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 17:00, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Cool cool. Thanks for your diligence on this! DonIago (talk) 17:20, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Was his family surname originally Andersson at some point?

He is of Scandinavian ancestry. Most Scandinavian Andersons/Anderssons spell their names with two S’s. Was his family surname originally spelled Andersson at some point? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:8BF9:45F0:2999:DD7:7B36:125E (talk) 01:23, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

Auto-archving?

Any objection to turning on auto-archiving for any thread on this page that's older than 10 years or so? I know the thread at the top has seen some recent activity (which means it won't be auto-archived anytime soon now), but many of the others appear to have run their course. DonIago (talk) 20:34, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Enabled, as there didn't appear to be any objection. DonIago (talk) 17:06, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Mel Anderson

So going through my watch list I discover that a edit to this article was made where it says that Wes Anderson had another brother called Mel Anderson so could anyone cite anything that says about a second brother in the Anderson brothers because I know about Wes and Eric Chase Anderson who played Kristoferson in fantastic mr fox but I am not sure if there was a third brother in the mix Kirbopher2004 (talk) 19:39, 12 November 2021 (UTC)