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<s>::"Your topic ban was in response to a request for help from a different editor who emailed the complaint to me because I was the one who had closed the appeal with the warning about "backsliding""...be nice to know who this person was.--[[User:MONGO|MONGO]] ([[User talk:MONGO|talk]]) 19:19, 13 May 2020 (UTC)</s>
<s>::"Your topic ban was in response to a request for help from a different editor who emailed the complaint to me because I was the one who had closed the appeal with the warning about "backsliding""...be nice to know who this person was.--[[User:MONGO|MONGO]] ([[User talk:MONGO|talk]]) 19:19, 13 May 2020 (UTC)</s>
:{{U|Awilley}}, , Since you told Atsme that "I can't see see where an ANTIFA topic ban could have hampered you." what is the purpose of continuing the ban? '''[[User:DGG| DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG| talk ]]) 00:28, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
:{{U|Awilley}}, , Since you told Atsme that "I can't see see where an ANTIFA topic ban could have hampered you." what is the purpose of continuing the ban? '''[[User:DGG| DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG| talk ]]) 00:28, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
::: To prevent disruption in the ANTIFA topic area and encourage Atsme to rethink her approach generally. I think she is a very well-intentioned person who could be a big asset to the topic area if she would set aside some of the WP:RGW missions she seems to pursue. The topic area is saturated with POV wiki-knights who are 100% confident that they're in the right, but there's a shortage of editors who have building a quality encyclopedia as their primary mission and who are able to set aside their own views, try to see things from multiple perspectives, research high quality sources, and write good articles. And since you're here, let me say that while I think it's nice to have wiki friends who turn out to support each other, I don't think you'd be doing her any favors in the long run if you let her believe she had an arb in her corner. <span style="font-family:times; text-shadow: 0 0 .2em #7af">~[[User:Awilley|Awilley]] <small>([[User talk:Awilley|talk]])</small></span> 03:09, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

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Editor seeking to exploit editing restrictions

When you were considering placing 1RR on me, you expressed the view that other editors would not seek to exploit this. However, check out the editor SunCrow who reverts long-standing content, repeatedly restores it and rarely if every starts talk page discussions about it. When I alerted him about his edit-warring, and the fact that he was edit-warring against multiple editors and with support from no one, the editor explicitly spoke of joy regarding the voluntary editing restrictions I had committed to[1], which would in effect make it easier for this user to bully bad changes into articles without consensus. The editor has after making the remark subsequently edit-warred out content on the Elaine Chao page in brazen violation of WP:BRD, and clearly with the expectation that I will be unable to revert him. In other words, this editor is brazenly violating Wikipedia policy in practice and in spirit, and is intentionally exploiting the fact that other editors have committed not to edit-war (even when WP:BRD is on their side and there is no consensus for the other editor's changes).[2][3] Snooganssnoogans (talk) 19:34, 21 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I will look into it. Sorry, been busy with some things IRL. My participation here will be spotty through the holidays probably. ~Awilley (talk) 04:21, 22 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Snooganssnoogans, my first problem with what you did here is that you went to an administrator with accusations against me without having the basic decency to ping me so that I'd be aware of your complaint. Instead, you went behind my back.
My second problem is with the way you characterized my words. I did not "explicitly [speak] of joy about your editing restrictions". I said that the restrictions about "making 'an honest effort to understand the concerns of other editors' and 'ask[ing] how those concerns can be reflected in the text without undermining the content of the sources and NPOV'" were my favorite parts of your restrictions. (My point, of course, was that I'm still waiting to see you actually take this new, collaborative approach; instead, I see much of the same attitude and behavior that got you placed on restriction in the first place.) So you distorted, exaggerated, and misrepresented my words. Unfortunately, in my experience, it is routine for you to respond to conflict by distorting, exaggerating, and misrepresenting the words of others. You've done it to me many times. It's dishonest, you do it over and over again, I have challenged you about it over and over again, and you continue to do it. This makes it impossible to WP:AGF in dealing with you.
You asserted that I have been taking advantage of your editing restrictions. To show that my heart is in the right place, I have self-reverted my recent edit on the Elaine Chao page (see https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Elaine_Chao&diff=932000076&oldid=931861659) to restore the disputed content. (I honestly cannot remember if I had your restrictions in mind when I made this edit.) In the future, I will not take advantage of your editing restrictions to gain the upper hand in content disputes. SunCrow (talk) 19:56, 22 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The same editor is immediately back to exploiting my editing restrictions in order to edit-war longstanding content out of an article[4]. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 15:28, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No, Snooganssnoogans, I did not take advantage of your editing restrictions. I reverted your edit because it didn't make any sense to me and because your edit summary--like many other things you say--was false. I would have responded the same way regardless of your editing restrictions. On a different note, this is now the second time that you have gone behind my back to Awilley without having the decency to ping me. That is an underhanded and cowardly thing to do. Awilley, I regret the fact that your talk page is playing host to this ridiculous back-and-forth. SunCrow (talk) 15:34, 17 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Snooganssnoogans:, On this diff, "removing minutiae" is a better reason for removing content than "long-standing" is for restoring content. If you have sources stating that the RNC chairwoman pressured candidates to falsely suggest wrong-doing and election fraud, maybe you could just state that explicitly instead of the mealy-mouthed "Politico reported that McDaniel called on the Republican candidate Martha McSally to be more aggressive during the ballot counting process". (Alternatively, if the sources don't say that explicitly, then you shouldn't either.)
@SunCrow: Please try harder to respect WP:Status quo. Also, your comments on the talk page should be focusing on content, not other editors. If you continue to make statements like "The problem here is that Snooganssnoogans is full of bologna" on talk pages I'm likely to slap you with User:Awilley/Discretionary sanctions#No personal comments ~Awilley (talk) 20:33, 17 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Clean-up

There may be need to rein in the Snoog, particularly this, which pretty unambiguously violates WP:BADSITES and for good measure, rules about wp:outing. What do you think @TonyBallioni:?

Pinging @Snooganssnoogans: for transparency. 🌿 SashiRolls t · c 21:00, 31 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Is this a joke? Today, you insinuated that I and/or other editors were working for David Brock.[5] You have previously made the same David Brock accusations on off-wiki sites (under your own username) against the editors Calton and Neutrality, saying "there are no shortage of paying customers. David Brock, for one (whose pages Calton & Neutrality watch over with hawkish eye)...". You have on multiple other occasions suggested that other editors are working for hire and/or conspiring together. I asked you to stop casting these aspersions. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 22:06, 31 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nope, not a joke at all. I did however make a light-hearted comment: I said "things have a tendency to heat up when you talk about Brock" (§). Which is true. They do. at dinner. On Wikipedia. etc. Your link to Eric Barbour's comment on "Wikipedia Sucks," I notice, dates from 2017. I was not a member of en.wp in 2017. This is shortly after I had been blocked for calling out a former admin sockpuppeting to astro-turf anti-Trump pages, who later astro-turfed anti-Kavanaugh pages.
In short, you need to stop violating policy (WP:LINKLOVE) WP:OUTING, and bury the hatchet. I know you're upset that I dug up your scandalously deceptive Dec 25, 2017 edit to CounterPunch because this page got me thinking about previous articles about media bias, but lashing out is not appropriate. 🌿 SashiRolls t · c 22:48, 31 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, not ignoring you, but I'm not sure what, if anything, to do here. Try to get along? ~Awilley (talk) 18:07, 1 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That's rich. Hmmm...correct me if I'm wrong, but based on what I've seen, it appears tbans are reserved for...oh, nevermind. I have better things to do. Atsme Talk 📧 18:40, 17 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Administrators' newsletter – January 2020

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  • The fourth case on Palestine-Israel articles was closed. The case consolidated all previous remedies under one heading, which should make them easier to understand, apply, and enforce. In particular, the distinction between "primary articles" and "related content" has been clarified, with the former being the entire set of articles whose topic relates to the Arab-Israeli conflict, broadly interpreted rather than reasonably construed.
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Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 20:06, 4 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Bernie / Media

Hi Awilley. You know what I notice about the list of diffs Snoog has provided on his talk page in response to your request? Each and every time he says "it was reverted", it's actually Snoog who is doing the reverting. Check the diffs of reverts; each of those reverts is by Snoog. Why the heck is Snoog reverting so many of Sashi's edits in the first place?

Secondly, the edit summaries Snoog uses for reverts are basically all the same ("has nothing to do with media bias" or something similar). Basically, the objection is that the added content is irrelevant. Why is Snoog singlehandedly "gatekeeping" content in the article? Like, is it the "rule" that anytime anyone wants to add something to this article, it has to meet Snoog's approval, or else Snoog gets to revert it, forcing the editor to go to talk page discussion and get consensus for, effectively, every single edit?

Thirdly, when Snoog says "reverted by a second editor", guess who the second editor is? MrX! You may recall that Sashi complained about Snoog and X tag-teaming articles and referring to them as "SnooX", which, IIRC, they took great exception to, considered a personal attack, and for which, IIRC, Sashi was sanctioned (I think by you Awilley but I'm too lazy to look it up). Yet, here they are, still working together to revert Sashi. I pointed this out at the ANEW report with these diffs: Snoog, X, Snoog, X, all from the Bernie media article.

Notice that when Sashi makes and edit and Snoog reverts it, Snoog expects Sashi to go to the talk page and discuss. But when Snoog makes an edit and Sashi reverts it, Snoog doesn't have to go to the talk page – instead, Mr. X will revert the revert.

Is the solution for me to join Sashi's tag team? Maybe Mr Ernie, Sashi, and I should team up, and then it'll be 3-against-2 vs. Snoog and X? That's the solution, right? No, of course not. We can't have this type of coordinated OWNership editing.

From where I'm sitting, what's happening to Sashi in AP2 is exactly what happened to Sashi in GMO. In both areas, there are small groups of editors–a cabal–who are coordinating to WP:OWN the topic area. Sashi has a habit of rather forcefully challenging these cabals. The cabals work together to get Sashi sanctioned and thereby removed from the topic area. They succeeded in GMOs. They are close in AP2.

Awilley, BRD is not a policy, and it can be abused, and it is being abused here, where one editor or a group of editors are routinely reverting all of another editor's edits. This has been going on for months if not years (and Sashi is not the only "victim"). It troubles me to focus on "Sashi is not following BRD" or "Sashi is calling them 'SnooX'" while ignoring the obvious–what I will characterize as–WP:OWNership, tag-teaming, obstruction, and harassment. I know you've been involved in this for some time, trying to mediate the dispute on all sides, and I just hope that you'll also look at this other aspect. Sashi's complaints may at time be uncivil, but they may also be well-founded. Levivich 16:53, 29 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Levivich I have not been "tag teaming". My edits are made entirely of my own volition irrespective of whether other editors make similar edits or make edits that are contrary to my edits. I stopped editing the article more than two weeks ago because of the hardcore advocacy and unpleasantness of a couple of editors. If you want to make accusations against me, you need to produce diffs that clearly depict the behavior you're claiming rather than casting WP:ASPERSIONS. - MrX 🖋 17:40, 29 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
MrX, like Snoog, you know that you can get away with fundamentally misrepresenting sources as you did here without any consequences. You and Snoog are both very good at it and are protected by a certain number of identified administrators. I could give a lot of examples, I hope you won't be sad that I've only provided one for each of you (for now). Of course, the game is to say that's all about "content" and that misrepresenting sources is not a behavioural issue. If this goes to ArbCom or Le Monde, SDZ, NYT, Intercept, Media Matters, ^^ etc. I would not be averse to coordinating the collection of the ample evidence of tag-teaming for those who those who want it reported on (you can find me off-wiki if need be). Incidentally, when Snoogans is a subject of conversation on my talk page, they have every right to respond, as I made clear here. But I'd just as soon that all of these multipliers of negative energy (MrX, Snoog, O3000, WMSR) stay off my TP and I have told them so. -- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 19:11, 29 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Now you're casting aspersions too and plotting some sort of off-wiki coordination? Do you really think this is a good trajectory for you, SashiRolls? If you think you have evidence that my conduct is sanction-worthy, please take it to a notice board. Otherwise, it would be great if you could just leave me alone and keep your opinions about "negative energy" to yourself. Thanks. - MrX 🖋 19:22, 29 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
This response is most adequately characterized as Gish gallop (anyone who reads SR's comments and wonders "what does this have to do with anything?", know that you're not alone). And it's replete with yet another ludicrous and cringeworthy insinuation that SR is sitting on bombshell revelations about other Wikipedia editors that he might, just might, take to the NY Times (this is something that SR has claimed for years). If I recall correctly, he's literally made the same cryptic "I'll have the media expose you all!" accusation on this very talk page before. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 19:24, 29 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
If you have an accusation against me, you had damn well better provide evidence. And if you don’t want me on your talk page, don't make odd PAs. O3000 (talk) 19:35, 29 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
1) "Why the heck is Snoog reverting so many of Sashi's edits in the first place?" SR is the most active editor on the page. Thus, there are many edits, and some of them are bad and get reverted. Note also that I have not reverted anywhere close to most of SR's edits. Only the bad ones.
2) Yes, why am I allowed to make edits on Wikipedia? I abide by BRD when I add new content. I expect the same of others.
3) Your insinuation that I and MrX are these unprincipled hacks who not only conspire together but who specifically edit to get others banned rather than improve the encyclopedia is pathetic. Please substantiate any inconsistencies in how both of us edit that would support your conspiracy theory. For example, demonstrate brazen flip-flopping on issues and policies just to "entrap" SR or whatever nonsense it is that you're pushing.
4) Your remarks about you and Mr Ernie joining content disputes that you have no substantive opinion on is again an insinuation that I and MrX edit in an unprincipled fashion, and that the content under dispute is not what is motivating our edits.
5) So there are apparently multiple groups of editors across diverse parts of Wikipedia conspiring together against SR?
6) "Awilley, BRD is not a policy, and it can be abused, and it is being abused here, where one editor or a group of editors are routinely reverting all of another editor's edits." This last part is a falsehood, and illustrative of the fact that you have no clue what's going on at the Media coverage of Bernie Sanders page, yet feel the need to instinctively side with SR regardless of dispute. The Media coverage of Bernie Sanders page is largely a reflection of whatever SR wants the page to say because he (1) has steamrolled over every edit that challenges new content that he adds, (2) reverted or changed content added by others, and (3) driven most other editors off the page. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 17:44, 29 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Lastly, the list of diffs that I provided is only part of SR's many many brazen BRD violations on that one page over the course of 3 weeks. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 17:50, 29 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Just to be clear, this isn't about being pro-Sashi, it's about being anti-AP2 cabal. Sashi is not the only editor to experience this–obviously I've experienced this myself. And as for diffs, I included diffs in my post above; I've included diffs every time I've complained about this; everybody is tired of my diffs. We're way past diffs; we're on to what are we doing about it. Levivich 18:07, 29 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The hypocrisy is astounding. Very very recently you led an effort to impose sanctions on me because you were purportedly so upset about my edit-warring. Now you're singing a completely different tune, actively defending SR's brazen and repeated BRD violations, including brightline edit-warring violations, which make it impossible for anyone else to substantively contribute to the page. In particular, it makes it impossible for me, due to my voluntary editing restrictions, to have any say on the article (which is perhaps the reason why you say that edit-warring is now OK). How is that in any way principled? And at the same time that you're flip-flopping 180 degrees on this issue, you have the temerity to cast aspersions and accuse others of conspiring together and editing in unprincipled ways (no diffs were provided for this). Snooganssnoogans (talk) 18:13, 29 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Awilley, I object to Sashi removing my defense of his PA[6]. His phrase What a coincidence has become tiresome. O3000 (talk) 22:32, 29 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Administrators' newsletter – February 2020

News and updates for administrators from the past month (January 2020).

Guideline and policy news

  • Following a request for comment, partial blocks are now enabled on the English Wikipedia. This functionality allows administrators to block users from editing specific pages or namespaces rather than the entire site. A draft policy is being workshopped at Wikipedia:Partial blocks.
  • The request for comment seeking the community's sentiment for a binding desysop procedure closed with wide-spread support for an alternative desysoping procedure based on community input. No proposed process received consensus.

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Arbitration

  • Following a recent arbitration case, the Arbitration Committee reminded administrators that checkuser and oversight blocks must not be reversed or modified without prior consultation with the checkuser or oversighter who placed the block, the respective functionary team, or the Arbitration Committee.

Miscellaneous


Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 15:05, 1 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Happy First Edit Day!

Happy First Edit Day!

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Doris Miller

Awilley- I just saw the photo of Doris Miller on your Talk page. As a Navy veteran, I am familiar with this great sailor and his story, but it was nice to be reminded of him again. Thanks. GlassBones (talk) 22:49, 17 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Double block templates on 15 November

Awilley, is your second block template at User talk:BattleshipGray from 15 November a mistake? Your two block templates there contradict each other. I thought you had merely blocked the account because the user had lost the password and created a new account (User:GlassBones) — no? I just noticed a post on Doug Weller's page, where YoPienso talks about your block for "abusing editing privileges". Maybe you'd better comment there. Bishonen | talk 20:11, 14 February 2020 (UTC).[reply]

I remember the block, but I don't know how that second template got there. It was a mistake...probably automated. I've stricken it. ~Awilley (talk) 20:24, 14 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Administrators' newsletter – March 2020

News and updates for administrators from the past month (February 2020).

Guideline and policy news

  • Following an RfC, the blocking policy was changed to state that sysops must not undo or alter CheckUser or Oversight blocks, rather than should not.
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Technical news

  • Following a discussion, Twinkle's default CSD behavior will soon change, most likely this week. After the change, Twinkle will default to "tagging mode" if there is no CSD tag present, and default to "deletion mode" if there is a CSD tag present. You will be able to always default to "deletion mode" (the current behavior) using your Twinkle preferences.

Miscellaneous


Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 11:20, 2 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

User GlassBones

This user has (i) again falsely claimed that I'm stalking his edits[8] and (ii) decided to stalk me to a page that he hasn't edited before just to revert me[9]. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 19:36, 3 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Immediate violation of topic ban:[10]. Topic ban:[11] Snooganssnoogans (talk) 13:03, 4 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Snooganssnoogans - I didn't go to the Presidency of Donald Trump page just to revert you. Yes, I changed your edit (I didn't revert the whole edit - just the problematic parts, which were significant). You used inaccurate, inflammatory language, and cited to a left-wing source that is not a Wikipedia reliable source in your edit. I requested that you discuss your proposed edits on the Talk page. But instead of doing that, and dealing with the issue directly and reasonably, you again ran to Awilley to complain about the fact that I happen to edit an article that you edited before, stating that I never previous edited that article. First - you edit almost every post-1932 US politics article. Of course if I edit anything in this topic area it will probably be something you edited before. Second - just because you edited an article previously does not mean that you own the article and no one else can ever again edit that article. Third - it was my understanding that any editor can edit any article he or she chooses. Fourth - at the risk of being accused of a personal attack, I have to ask if you are you really so much of a snowflake that you cannot discuss edits on the Talk page, as requested repeatedly, but need to run to an Admin every time one of your edits is challenged? I am sure Awilley has more important things to do than to deal with this issue which could have simply been discussed and resolved on the article Talk page. Finally - what topic ban are you talking about? Are you trying to get me banned again? GlassBones (talk) 13:35, 4 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Violation of GlassBones topic ban

Hi Awilley. You topic banned[12] GlassBones yesterday. They violated it by making this edit 12+ hours later. - MrX 🖋 13:07, 4 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

MrX - I am not aware of any topic ban from yesterday. The last thing at the bottom of my user Talk page was about an edit to the article on Ray Brown, a Hall of Fame pitcher who played for the Homestead Grays in the Negro Leagues. GlassBones (talk) 13:45, 4 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@GlassBones: please see this diff [13] ~Awilley (talk) 16:30, 4 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Awilley - I see it's a one-year topic ban. So on your sole discretion as an administrator, my alleged violation of the nebulous and highly subjective standard of Battleground has been penalized with a one-year ban. Arguably, given this standard your buddy Snoog should be banned for life. In any event - this one-year ban is arbitrary, capricious, and ridiculous. Please let me know how to appeal. Thanks. GlassBones (talk) 16:50, 4 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
GlassBones, there is absolutely nothing wrong with Awilley topic-banning you for a year on his sole admin discretion. That's how discretionary sanctions work (the term comes from the word discretion). On the other hand, Awilley, you put the notice about it into an existing section some ways up GlassBones' talkpage, not in a more visible separate section at the bottom. It sounds like he didn't notice it, and that's not altogether surprising IMO. Therefore, I definitely wouldn't sanction him for the violation MrX mentions. But, GlassBones, now you know you have been topic banned from post-1932 American politics, I hope. You can appeal the ban using the process described here. Bishonen | tålk 17:07, 4 March 2020 (UTC).[reply]

Bishonen - Thanks. But before I start this process, is there any real chance of having the ban significantly reduced or eliminated? I don't want to waste my time and everyone else's time in appealing if I have no reasonable chance to prevail. Is there any place to look at previous decisions to see what chance I might have? GlassBones (talk) 17:16, 4 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

IMO there's no chance at all if you appeal immediately, GlassBones. This is from my experience of these things. The people assessing your appeal (whether they're the community at WP:AN, or admins at WP:AE) will be looking for good editing in other areas during the topic ban. I'd wait six months if it was me. Bishonen | tålk 17:22, 4 March 2020 (UTC).[reply]
Bishonen - So even under the best of circumstances this is a de facto topic ban for at least six months. So much for due process. GlassBones (talk) 17:37, 4 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@GlassBones: You can find the appeal process by looking at the ban template on your talk page and following the link at the end of the sentence, "You may appeal this sanction using the process described here." I can't tell you whether or not to appeal, but you have a couple of options. You can appeal to me directly or to the larger community. If you appeal to me I expect you to demonstrate an understanding of what the problem is and have a specific plan for how you're going to avoid the problem in the future. If you appeal to the community, one of three things will probably happen. The sanction will be reversed, the sanction will be confirmed, or in some cases the sanction's severity could increase. If #2 or #3 happen then that takes away my power to reverse the sanction on my own, so any future appeals will need to be to the community. I can't predict what the community will do.
@Bishonen: My bad for not making a new template at the bottom of the page. I would never have blocked for the initial ban violation when they didn't yet know the ban existed. ~Awilley (talk) 22:16, 4 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This is yet another clear topic-ban violation.[14] The edit is also a continuation of an edit-war on a page he stalked me to. 21:56, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Snooganssnoogans - You really think this was somehow a violation that warranted a notification to Admin Awilley? How could you construe my edit of this article as this a topic ban violation? This article is about illegal immigration and crime - not about post-1932 US politics. Further, the language I edited into the article had nothing at all to do with politics - it was a cite to the law stating that entering and/or remaining in the US illegally is a crime. There was no topic ban violation. What next- are you going to claim that my edit to a list of villages in Allen County, Ohio was also a violation of the topic ban because Allen County, Ohio happens to be in the US, and people there have voted in presidential elections since 1932? GlassBones (talk) 22:54, 4 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
GlassBones That is in fact a topic ban violation. Illegal immigration in the US clearly falls under the umbrella of politics. You don't need to take my word for it. Just look at the templates at the top of that article's talk page. Anything under Wikipedia:WikiProject Politics/American politics is out of bounds, and editing content about those subjects in unrelated articles is too. Here's an example: 2020_coronavirus_outbreak_in_the_United_States is off limits, and the section titled "United States" at 2019–20_coronavirus_outbreak#United_States is too. If you're not sure if something is a violation, ask somebody before you edit. ~Awilley (talk) 23:11, 4 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Awilley - Thanks. I guess I just have a difficult time understanding what exactly are the standards for editing Wikipedia. I mean - I have been harshly sanctioned for a Battlegound mentality, while at the same time Snooganssnoogans does exactly what I was (unjustly) sanctioned for, and not only gets away with it but other editors congratulate him for it, since they have the same biased point of view. I mean - just look at Snoog's User page. He or she delights in having a battleground mentality. Further, this editor constantly undoes other editors' edits with insulting statements like "nonsense", "fringe" or "faux controversy", on those occasions when he or she doesn't simply hit Undo without any explanation whatsoever. On February 14, 2020, on my Talk page, you stated that "when you stop engaging with reasonable arguments and just revert without any edit summaries that's edit warring." That is exactly what Snoog does and has routinely done for years, without consequence. And when others challenge his or her edits, Snoog accuses them of edit warring and not following BRD, when this editor doesn't follow BRD. Yet, no matter what, Snoog does not get a one-year topic ban - just voluntary sanctions. There is no editor I am aware of who has more of a battleground mentality, or engages in more harassment and bullying of fellow editors, than Snoog. This double standard is hard to understand, GlassBones (talk) 11:32, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Snoog, is adding diffs to your user page as you did here really necessary. It brings your user page watchers and could constitute as canvassing especially when you add RfCs etc.--SharʿabSalam▼ (talk) 22:31, 4 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Just a suggestion...if people have problems with it maybe a user subpage/sandbox could serve the same purpose? ~Awilley (talk) 22:35, 4 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It's to remind myself. I do not want more documents, reminders and bookmarks on my computer than I have to, so the userpage is the best place for it. I probably have more editors watchlisting my page who have problems with my edits than vice versa, so if I were to list active RfCs (which I'm not sure I do a lot of), it would probably attract a type of editor who holds a different POV. Canvassing is, as far as I can tell, related to drawing people to a page who are likely to edit / vote my way. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 23:44, 4 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This[15] is a clear-cut violation of this editor's topic ban, and is yet another instance where the editor stalks me to a page he hasn't edited in order to revert me. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 20:37, 17 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Administrators' newsletter – April 2020

News and updates for administrators from the past month (March 2020).

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User:Patapsco913 & User:Patapsco913 (2)

Hi Awilley, can you please take a look at the discussion I placed (User:Patapsco913 ) and the follow up (User:Patapsco913 2) at ANI for me? The flow and closing of the discussion wasn't satisfactory. My concern is about canvassing (which has been denied), possible meatpuppetry (don't have evidence so can't judge) and BLP violations (especially the Silverman's piece)? Thank you. 217.150.87.242 (talk) 21:26, 4 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

For someone who was complaining about canvassing, what would you call your pings at your last ANI? And now you are FORUMSHOPPING. I suggest you drop it before someone looks into your edits and AFD and CSD behavior. Let's remember, you AFD/CSD Maurice Kremer, one of the pioneers of Los Angeles with a google search for Maurice Kremer, the Senator from Nebraska. You might want to explain how your nominations aren't disruptive. Sir Joseph (talk) 00:33, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Statement used for POV-pushing

A closing statement that you added to a RfC 4 years ago(!) is being referenced by people on Wikipedia insisting that skepticism and denial are not the same thing when it comes to climate change skepticism and climate change denial. Don't know if you are aware this is happening, but thought I should do you the favor of letting you know: Wikipedia:Fringe_theories/Noticeboard#Skeptics_versus_deniers jps (talk) 01:35, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm. I've added a suggestion there. ~Awilley (talk) 04:06, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm trying really hard to be nice so I am going to walk away from there. At this rate I am surprised they are not topic banned. PackMecEng (talk) 17:15, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Clarification on close of NPOVN discussion on location-based virus names

Hello! Hope you're well. Thanks for closing the discussion on location-based virus names at NPOVN! I have a question about this part: the China virus and Wuhan virus disambig page and redirect should target this article. How does that work with the closing of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chinese virus? Specifically, The articles on the current disease and the virus do not use the phrase...at all, so would make poor redirect targets. "China virus" redirects to Chinese virus. Thanks again, Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 00:47, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, that was a mistake on my part. I had meant to write Chinese virus (the disambig page) not China virus (the redirect). So basically a restatement of the status quo. I don't think the close should be incompatible or override that AfD discussion. So Wuhan virus is a redirect, Chinese virus is a disambig page, and China virus is a redirect to the most logical place (probably to Chinese virus, but that's not part of my close). ~Awilley (talk) 03:04, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Clarification on NPOVN discussion

Hi there. It seems that the "Summary of consensus" posted by one of the users in favor of removal, was quite misleading. I'm wondering did this factor in at all? It indicated 12 for removal 3 against removal, but looking over the discussion I'm not sure how the poster came to that conclusion. It appears to be either 10-7 or 9-7, or around that mark. Thanks in advance. Symphony Regalia (talk) 02:03, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

To be honest I didn't actually count votes at all, I was reading the discussion and evaluating the arguments themselves. I didn't make any decisions on the basis of the summary you mentioned. I make a point of not giving weight to vote counting summaries done by involved individuals. ~Awilley (talk) 02:16, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the clarification. Symphony Regalia (talk) 19:29, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 01:19, 2 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Request

Will you please lift the Jully 2019 t-ban? It serves no purpose, acts more like an obstacle that inhibits discussion, feels like an invisible trip line when I'm engaging in the consensus-building process, and stifles the exchange of free thoughts and ideas. The purpose of any t-ban is to stop disruption, and while we differ as to what caused the disruption at those 2 articles and how you treated my use of WP:GASLIGHTING, I cannot deny that there was disruption; I sought your help because of it. What I've learned from your t-ban is to not seek your help when I'm being bullied, and to do my best to avoid disruption rather than try to resolve it. I have gotten much better at ignoring PAs, stonewalling, gaslighting, baited questions, and outright bullying...it took me a while, but once I got over the hump and recalled a childhood chant about sticks and stones, life on WP became a lot more pleasant - so, ironically, I thank you for the reminder. In preparing this request, I discovered that the 2 editors who caused me to seek your help initially appear to have voluntarily stopped editing that article a few months after you t-banned me - one of whom apologized to me, and the other whose BLP vio you redacted a few days later has not edited WP since January - so the potential of future interaction is slim to none. Also, there appears to be an abatement of certain political movements in the US that caused such a stir in 2019, and as a result, no longer poses a threat to the continuing peace and productive collaboration those 2 articles have enjoyed since my t-ban, which further supports my request. Atsme Talk 📧 13:25, 12 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Atsme, sorry for the slow response. Three things:
1. Just a minor point, but I'd appreciate it if you would stop misrepresenting what led to the topic ban. It was not your use of WP:GASLIGHTING. This has already been litigated at ARCA where I pointed out that your first use of "WP:GASLIGHTING" was 3 days after the topic ban had been placed. You don't need to take my word for it. See the comment in the Arb section by Premedicated Chaos: Atsme, the topic ban rationale clearly cites five separate diffs where you literally state that various editors are gaslighting you. Awilley didn't T-ban you for linking to a behavioral guideline via internal shortcut. For one thing, in those diffs, you didn't - every instance of the word "gaslighting" in those diffs is lowercase and unlinked, and WP:GASLIGHTING isn't so common a shortcut that it would be obvious you meant the internal shortcut rather than the common word. You were T-banned for backsliding into the same behavior that got you T-banned from AP2 as a whole. The "gaslighting" diffs are examples of that kind of unproductive behavior, but the rest of the rationale clearly describes that the T-ban is based on your behavior as a whole.
2. I took some time to look at your talkpage edits over the past month going back through about April. From what I can see you only edited 3 talk pages in the AP topic area during that time: Talk:Joe Biden (38 edits), Talk:Joe Biden sexual assault allegation (15 edits), and Talk:Federal Commission on School Safety (4 edits). And from a quick scan of those edits it appears that all of your posts on Talk:Joe Biden were related to the sexual assault allegation except for one vote to spin off a section and two posts opposing mention of Sanders endorsing Biden. Scanning those edits I can't see where an ANTIFA topic ban could have hampered you. Nor do I see evidence of the type of constructive collaboration and compromise that should be taking place on talk pages. Don't get me wrong, it's a battleground and I'm not saying your behavior was the worst (it wasn't), but you were as intransigent as anybody else. For example: your interactions with MelbourneStar ("You are entitled to believe whatever suits you. I'm done here so stop pinging me." ) Aircorn ("It's time for you to WP:DROPTHESTICK, Aircorn. You made my reassessment controversial when it should not have been and it was based on your fallacious allegations of it being political." or "I will not indulge further in this unwarranted trial because it appears too much like wikilawyering."), MelanieN (taking her to WP:AN without making any attempt to resolve the issue with her first, and then not even notifying her about the thread), and your posts under the header "If it looks like stonewalling".
3 This probably won't make you feel any better, but the topic ban was 100% unrelated to your request for help. I honestly didn't even realize that some of the offending diffs were on the same page. With your request for help, I opened the diff, saw that someone else had already restored the thing that you had asked me to restore, checked for any further edit warring, and then replied to you. If you had said you thought someone was bullying you I would have looked deeper. Your topic ban was in response to a request for help from a different editor who emailed the complaint to me because I was the one who had closed the appeal with the warning about "backsliding".
So the response is no for now. You made similar promises in your first appeal, so this time I want to actually see evidence that you're out of the battleground rut. ~Awilley (talk) 17:54, 13 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, Awilley - your response is why I have made it my mission to draw attention to the problems you and a few other admins have created with DS and AE, specifically unilateral actions, and the POV creep associated with sole discretion. Your response solidifies my position, and I will use it in my arguments until the community is aware of why this is an extremely important issue to the future of the project as it relates to maintaining NPOV, and the ability for editors to engage in discussions where the exchange of free thought and ideas is paramount. Happy editing. Atsme Talk 📧 18:34, 13 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Atsme, check out the talk page of SPECIFICO and BradV for the egregious example of POV and how POV creep works. Sir Joseph (talk) 19:24, 13 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

::"Your topic ban was in response to a request for help from a different editor who emailed the complaint to me because I was the one who had closed the appeal with the warning about "backsliding""...be nice to know who this person was.--MONGO (talk) 19:19, 13 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Awilley, , Since you told Atsme that "I can't see see where an ANTIFA topic ban could have hampered you." what is the purpose of continuing the ban? DGG ( talk ) 00:28, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
To prevent disruption in the ANTIFA topic area and encourage Atsme to rethink her approach generally. I think she is a very well-intentioned person who could be a big asset to the topic area if she would set aside some of the WP:RGW missions she seems to pursue. The topic area is saturated with POV wiki-knights who are 100% confident that they're in the right, but there's a shortage of editors who have building a quality encyclopedia as their primary mission and who are able to set aside their own views, try to see things from multiple perspectives, research high quality sources, and write good articles. And since you're here, let me say that while I think it's nice to have wiki friends who turn out to support each other, I don't think you'd be doing her any favors in the long run if you let her believe she had an arb in her corner. ~Awilley (talk) 03:09, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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