User talk:Badmintonhist

November 2007— Welcome

Welcome!

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Hi!

Hi Badmintonhist, glad to meet more people interested in developing badminton players articles. I have added some wikilinks and infoboxes in the articles you created. If you have any question, you can ask it to me. I hope to see you creating and expanding more badminton related articles! Walint (talk) 16:33, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm just a badminton enthusiastic, who played played some years ago. In Wikipedia I focus on badminton players' articles, but there are more people developing badminton-related articles, in tournaments, players, and organizations articles. Congratulations for your work! Walint (talk) 13:07, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Keith Olbermann

Yes, you are correct. That is also unsourced POV.-Hal Raglan (talk) 03:56, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

As a followup to your above conversation, the fact you are adding is true. However, the ratings of his competition are not relevant to the Keith Olbermann article. If you're saying the ratings are a factor (no pun intended) in the enmity between the two broadcasters, that has to be reliably sourced. Otherwise, it's original research. Without explaining the significance of the fact, it doesn't belong on the Keith Olbermann page, as consensus has established. If you disagree, please take the matter up on the talk page. Thanks! Redrocket (talk) 07:02, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Badmintonhist, I appreciate your willingness to go to the mat with a horde of Olbermann supporters who are happy to put every little remark Olbermann has ever made about O'Reilly up, yet consider a mention of their status as competitors "original research." Whenever participating in a discussion over an article about a political figure, "original research" is the euphemism leftists employ to throw out any bit of information they don't like. If that doesn't work, they bring out more rules like claiming simple statements of relevant facts aren't neutral simply because they don't favor who they like.

Keep up the good work and I'll try to throw in my two cents whenever I can. Drstrangelove57 (talk) 19:03, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for correcting my piece on Olbermann's "Fox News Criticism."Mdriver1981 (talk) 06:45, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

I too wanted to thank you for putting up the good fight against the Olbermann employees on his blog, a.k.a. his article. You outwitted them at every turn, and although the result was set in stone before the argument even began, your comments showed just how biased to the left they really are. By forcing them to make arguments that were so dumb it is hard to believe that they came from a human mind, you showed everyone who might come accross the talk page that this site is an absolute joke. I would never have had the patience to keep coming back with the responses that you came back with. But rest assured, they matter. Like I said, they exposed the whackos for who they really are. Thank you, good sir. Thank you.66.184.134.26 (talk) 03:44, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

January 2008

Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia. However, adding content without citing a reliable source, as you did to Margaret Boxall, is not consistent with our policy of verifiability. This is especially important when dealing with biographies of living people, but applies to all Wikipedia articles. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. If you are already familiar with Wikipedia:Citing sources, please take this opportunity to add your original reference to the article. Thank you. Tanthalas39 (talk) 17:49, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you

For citing your references. I hate to be the bad guy, but verifiability is one of the sacred pillars of Wikipedia. If you have any questions or need any help, let me know, but it looks like you're off and running. Happy editing! Tanthalas39 (talk) 18:30, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Thomas Cup

Hi Badmintonhist, I've seen that you have a lot of information about former badminton players and their results in the Thomas Cup competition. I would like to create all the articles about the Thomas Cup contests, but the only information I have found is at the BWF Official Website [1]. Have you got any further information about the Thomas Cup? I would appreciate it.

I have created the article of the 1967 Thomas Cup. If you don't mind, could you read it and check that there isn't any grammar mistake, please? My english is not too good and I would like to use this article as template to create the next ones. Thank you very much! MontanNito (talk) 15:28, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your explanation. According to internationalbadminton.org the Inter-Zone Ties & Challenge Round were held in Sinagpore [2], but sometimes there are mistakes there. According to the Thomas Cup article in Wikipedia, the tournmanet was played in Jakarta, and that make sense, so I will change it in the 1967 Thomas Cup article. Have you got the results of the matches? At least the Challange Round ones? And where have you found so much information? It's great! :-) MontanNito (talk) 20:25, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

I have added to the article the information you have provided me. If you want to modify something or add more information, please do not hesitate to do it. MontanNito (talk) 20:45, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you very much (again). I have already added it, if you want you can have a look at it. Any other information you would like to share will be welcome. MontanNito (talk) 22:25, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

The Cancer Suffering Tony Snow

Unless Olbermann is making fun of Tony Snow's suffering, then this detail is indeed irrelevant, as another editor already noted. The fact that you are claiming that this description is important to show "the mentality of Olbermann" is simply another way of admitting that you want an anti-Olbermann POV sloppily inserted into the article.-Hal Raglan (talk) 04:02, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

• If you really want to leave it to "the reader to decide", as you claim, the descriptor should be removed. The reader can simply click the provided wikilink to Snow's article and find out for themselves that he has cancer. Your edit has been repeatedly reverted by other editors. If you wish to discuss the issue, please take it to the article's talk page before making the same edit once again. -Hal Raglan (talk) 18:44, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

The first Pan-American Championships

Hi Badmintonhist. I've seen that you have cited a book titled "The first Pan-American Championships" as a reference in the article about Roy Díaz González. In the Pan Am Badminton Championships article there isn't this information, could you provide me (or directly to the article) all the champions of the first edition? Thank you. Walint (talk) 16:25, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Thomas Cup

Thank you for copyediting the Thomas Cup article, you do very well. I'm expand the details, but my English is so poor, so thank you once again. --Aleenf1 04:12, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, they are four venues in 1984 and 3 in 1986, this page can help you. BUT the problem is the team, team like Japan and Chinese Taipei play in Toronto in 1984 with other Americas team, so you must be careful. Yes, the table should modified, i count on you. Thank you. --Aleenf1 05:37, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi, sorry, i just renew the list of team appearances until 2008, it should be renew while ago, but i fail to do it. I inform you in case anything you might want to to change. Thank you. --Aleenf1 07:15, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Original Barnstar
		Congratulations for the hard work and the improvements you have made with Thomas Cup articles! MontanNito (talk) 19:05, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

WikiCookie

Just stopping by with wikicookies for those editors who started new articles today. --Rosiestep (talk) 07:22, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

MoS

Per this request:

Avoid instructional and presumptuous language

— Manual of Style

Hope this helps. /Blaxthos ( t / c ) 23:44, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Regarding your reply, yes... it is absolutely "instructional language", and it's presumptuous to tell readers what to read. You're welcome to ask for a request for comment if you think otherwise, but I can assure you that inline "(see foo below)" is unencyclopedic and generally discouraged on Wikipedia. Also, I don't really see the constructive value in comments like "you've got to be kidding" and the snarky edit summary used when re-inserting it. Hope this helps. /Blaxthos ( t / c ) 01:05, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

The language "avoid instructional language" is pretty clear to me and others... despite what you may believe to be correct, you now have two long-established editors telling you what common Wikipedia style is. If you disagree, I assert consensus is not to include directives to readers. If you feel very strongly that we're incorrect, I encourage you to seek additional perspectives. Thanks for the reply. /Blaxthos ( t / c ) 03:24, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Another barnstar

		The Original Barnstar
		For your excellent NPOV cleanup of Countdown with Keith Olbermann. /Blaxthos ( t / c ) 01:05, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Special Comment

Unless you can ascribe your work to a secondary source, it is entirely original research. Sourced description from the primary source is always preferred over original research / editor's opinions. Thanks. /Blaxthos ( t / c ) 20:17, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Well hell, let's get to work fixing the rest of them too. I'll try to start whacking at it starting Friday evening. If you start at the earliest I'll start with the most recent and move backwards. Hopefully we'll meet in the middle by sunday.  :-) /Blaxthos ( t / c ) 02:24, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Civility

Regarding your comments on Talk:MSNBC: Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks will lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. /Blaxthos ( t / c ) 18:55, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Worst Person

Would you oppose moving The Worst Person in the World (book) to The Worst Person in the World (currently a redirect to the Countdown page)? The parenthetical disambiguation is really not needed, in my view, because there's no other article or dab page by that title. --Steven J. Anderson (talk) 00:51, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

'Presumptive'

Sometimes I wonder why they even bother using that word once it's so certain...Good catch. Regards, NcSchu_(Talk) 04:38, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

fact tags

I'm fascinated by the fact that you added a {{fact}} tag dated November 2006, in July 2008. Why in the world did you do that? The content in question was added earlier this year, so the tag absolutely cannot represent something true.

Please, please do NOT engage in misrepresentation of this nature. Bots will take care of date-tagging, anyways; you don't need to specify the date yourself.

Oh, and a five-second Google search would've produced a source for the assertion you fact-tagged. Please help improve the encyclopedia by pursuing and adding sources, not just by adding fact tags. The former makes the encyclopedia look better; the latter makes it look sloppy. Warren -talk- 23:48, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Consensus

Please don't make changes to the introduction of Fox News Channel that are clearly in violation of the consensus version. All of the issues you listed have been addressed by multiple project-wide requests for comment and are firmly grounded in policy. You may see the FNC FAQ for explainations and links to previous discussions. The inline edit tags, which you also removed, explain the same. Continued changes are certainly in bad faith and will be considered disrupting Wikipedia to make a point. //Blaxthos ( t / c ) 14:31, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi there! I have started a new section in the FNC talk page to address this issue. I think it is clear that nothing is "firmly grounded" in Wikipedia articles, when it is clear a substantial number of editors wish change. I would like to initiate a new objective look at the intro section so we may come to a new consensus, and not rely on outdated opinions. I look forward to your contribution! Wikiport (talk) 19:49, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

I appreciate it, it has been getting quite heated! I think some new voices would really improve the issue. Thanks again..! Wikiport (talk) 21:08, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for being the voice of reason for the recent FNC RFC, although I would have liked to get more participation and let it stay alive a bit longer; your objectivity was excellent. You are a much needed voice here. Wikiport (talk) 04:56, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Haha!! I already saw it. Ungh...Wikiport (talk) 05:25, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

inside baseball?

Could u pls explain this phrase? :) Docku:“what up?” 02:06, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

You must love Badminton to be aware of players from all over the world. I am not so much into it. Thanks for the explanation. Docku:“what up?” 03:36, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

I like the way you get your point across. Docku:“what up?” 01:25, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Irony

Ironic indeed, though I think it's a bit obtuse to always think of things in terms of "sides" and "colleagues" -- this isn't a battleground, and we're all here to contribute. Snarky language isn't very civil, condescending comments (though I am guilty of at times as well) don't show much good faith and contribute nothing. At any rate, best course from here is to help explain the reasoning behind the wording. //Blaxthos ( t / c ) 02:35, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Sean Hannity

Would you mind providing your opinion here? Thanks. Docku:“what up?” 20:33, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

No problem. There was some kind of consensus to add this to the article. ur op always welcome. Docku:“what up?” 20:22, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Errors

You're just plain wrong:

1. The Washington Post piece is by "the editors", not by the author of the book, and it obviously passes WP:RS.
2. A one word tweak that introduces bias doesn't really amount for much -- Wikipedia isn't going to be used to introduce doubt about a subject. If there are reliable sources that are critical of the work, you should place them in the article.
3. There's no question of notability, if that's what you were implying (otherwise why not just do a little legwork and fix the issue?). Just in case, I went ahead and added a few reviews in.

Hope this helps. //Blaxthos ( t / c ) 17:49, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Request for opinion.

Since you seem to be a pretty level-headed guy, would you mind taking a look that this AfD and giving an opinion? [3]. To me, this is nothing more than a fan piece for a minor candidate who doesn't come close to meeting notability requirements. Niteshift36 (talk) 23:40, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

• Your comment on your delete vote nearly made me spit coffee out of my nose. Niteshift36 (talk) 00:04, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for your superb copy editing in World Badminton Federation. --Aleenf1 08:00, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Special Comments

After an initial read, the last couple of special comments are not neutrally paraphrased. They seem to be taking Olbermann's words as fact and that is misleading. I haven't read the full text of the special comments, so I don't have any suggestions, but I may revisit this again later tonight. Switzpaw (talk) 18:23, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

I think one preacher of not using primary sources for analysis, interpretation, and conclusion should really watch his own edits. Switzpaw (talk) 21:43, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm ducking out of this one. I think he's wrong with respect to his policy argument -- I've read through the policy and also draw on experiences of writing in college (with stellar marks). However, I don't have time to put together a cohesive argument, and I'll be taking that page off my watch list. I wasted a lot of time arguing on another page that Stephen Colbert jokes should not be weaseled into a paragraph, which created an impression that he's a reliable source for political commentary, and I don't want to repeat that futile experience. If you start an RFC, please let me know. Switzpaw (talk) 17:16, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Sawendah Kusumawardani

Rather than blanking the article, please redirect it to the "existing correctly spelled version" that you mentioned. Thanks. GlassCobra 00:27, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Redirect#How to make a redirect (redirect command), or tell me the correct name and I'll do it. GlassCobra 00:42, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Shine comment

I think they're taking this too far. Now the entry is up to 3 negative sources that they keep beating into the ground. There was a good NPOV version we all liked and people keep coming and adding more negative. The source doesn't say "in his opinion", which is why I didn't put it in quotes. But I think it is important to point out that this is one Fox execs opinion. The network hasn't come out and issued some sort of mea culpa, which is the impression one could get just by reading what is there. I really don't see why it's an issue if it does get included. We could change it to "Shine believes..." or whatever. But why not make it clear that it is his opinion and his alone? Niteshift36 (talk) 22:49, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Rosiana and Resiana

Okay, badmintonhist, my POV is they are different person, because i found this: [4][5][6][7]

DOB is different, BWF ID is different, and also for achievement, so i think is different. --Aleenf1 13:54, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome. Anyway, my name is Aleenf1, you miss the digit one behind, but you can call me Aleen, is same. --Aleenf1 16:04, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Colbert

Colbert said Bill O'Reilly, host of Fox News' "The O'Reilly Factor," is the primary inspiration for his show. [8] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.87.136.200 (talk) 05:34, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Thomas Cup

Hey Badmintonhist, just notification that Thomas Cup COULD BE unify with Uber Cup in 2010, approach in the latest BWF meetings. However, that still no final agreement, they will discuss again in another meetings. --Aleenf1 09:07, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi Badmintonhist, i fail to find who is 2000 Singapore Open winners. --Aleenf1 08:54, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Research still going on, i maybe fail to give you answer. Soon. :) --Aleenf1 13:57, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi, Badmintonhist, sorry, i can't get the answers you want, maybe both of them just coincident to have same surname, i dunno. --Aleenf1 09:03, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

List of Keith Olbermann's special comments

Was this an intentional attempt to be a douchebag by deleting something you know fully well belongs there (and leaving the article in a broken state as a result -- preview much?), or were you too lazy to take the 15 seconds to look up the description yourself, then take another 15 seconds to put it in the encyclopedia, thus improving the informative value of the article? Just curious. Warren -talk- 07:11, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Olbermann

Thanks for the note. I'm not going to bother refreshing you on the difference between primary and secondary sources, as it's well documented in WP:RS. I don't really see the point of including criticism directed at Clinton, because:

1. The is little, if anything, to distinguish it from any of the other criticisms he issues.
2. There is no secondary source that establishes any sort of significance above and beyond the fact that it occurred.
3. There is a specific intent in some parts (see this) to imply conclusion ("even though"), which absolutely violates WP:OR and WP:SYN. Once you remove the conclusion, there is no compelling reason to include any of it at all.
4. This is a biography; if anything, it might be fodder for Countdown with Keith Olbermann, but detailing some criticisms is beyond the scope of a BLP (especially ones that aren't mentioned in secondary sources).

Hope this helps. //Blaxthos ( t / c ) 22:12, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks, Badmintonhist.  :) Switzpaw (talk) 01:18, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Request for help

Hey, Badmintonhist, can you help me to copyediting Lee Chong Wei? I currently working on it. The career part is not yet done, so you can leave it out. Hopefully you can help me. Thanks! --Aleenf1 12:15, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

All written is well source, i mean i do refer to other bio, and personally i think never wrong to have personal life of player. Okay, feel free to do it and thanks! --Aleenf1 05:51, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Hi, Badmintonhist, you can copyediting the 2008 section now, is well sourced, as usual feel free to do it. Also, i found another two dates Lee as WR1, you can help me to apply in the lead. Thanks! --Aleenf1 17:03, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Hi, Badmintonhist, sorry to say i have to took your time to help me, but i expand the article not to just prank, actually i want to promote it to "Good Article", do you heard it before? I need your POV, actually do i need to write the score in career section, or just summarize it? Thanks for your help. --Aleenf1 08:11, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Olbermann RFC

I think the intent of the RFC is to get the input of outside editors, so I'll refrain from commenting. I countered Blaxthos' rebuttal and I still have not seen a solid case why your wording is "synthesis" or warrants an NPOV warning (which he is fond of giving without strong basis -- there are some golden examples of hypocrisy in his edit history). I'm tired of the double standards that go on in this website so I've taken the Olbermann page off my watchlist. I think many editors who are sick of being grilled to the letter of the law, while editors presenting material favorable to another side of the political spectrum are not, have done the same. Switzpaw (talk) 01:11, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, it's fairly obvious that most articles about Olbermann point out his criticisms of O'Reilly and Bush. After reading those articles, I discovered that the criticisms of McCain may not be as notable as previously thought, though Olbermann's removal from covering political events following the RNC convention is notable (e.g. the LA Times found it newsworthy that Olbermann was covering Obama's inauguration). It's common knowledge that Olbermann criticized McCain heavily (imagine if Tom Brokaw called upon McCain to suspend his campaign -- that would definitely make news in the mainstream media), though I think that Olbermann's reputation as being highly critical of rightward leaning figures is so obvious (except to Wikipedia editors, apparently) that it's no longer newsworthy whenever Olbermann lashes out (except in maybe the Huffington Post). Switzpaw (talk) 02:35, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Olbermann Talk Page

Posting a baseless and unfounded rumor -- even on a talk page -- is a clear violation of WP:BLP.

"Unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material about living persons—whether the material is negative, positive, or just questionable—should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion." WindyCityRider (talk) 19:57, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

I was going to point out that this comment needs to be sourced, per our policy on articles about living people, but I see that you have already been warned. So let me reiterate that statements like the ones you made there must be supported with reliable sources. Do not post allegations like that again without supporting sources. Guettarda (talk) 07:04, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

I have to wonder if Geuttarda did his legwork before censoring your comment. The Hitler salute fact was actually in the article at one point, and it was supported by sources. The "cold-blooded killers" controversy can be attributed to Laura Ingraham (which wouldn't fly as a WP:RS for stating it as fact in an article but it was a talk page comment, for christ's sake). Not familiar with the "dying man" Worst Person Award, though it seems kind of petty, true or not. Is it a new thing that talk page comments must carry citations? I didn't think either of the two allegations were notable enough to be considered due weight for the article, though if Guettarda thinks they are shocking enough to be worth censoring, maybe the trolls on the Olbermann talk page have a point.. Switzpaw (talk) 08:39, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Good Luck

I'll most likely be banned for not assuming good faith in someone who has never given that same respect to those who don't agree with him, so I thought I'd wish you good luck in adding some sense into the Olbermann article. Maybe some day the right people will happen to see their blatant agendas and legit criticism will actually be added to the Olbermann page. It's a shame that they're so dedicated to defending Olbermann that you even entertaining the thought of adding criticism makes you a member of the fringe in their eyes.--DystopiaSticker (talk) 19:37, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

This is why I have mostly stopped editing on WP. Defenders of Olbermann and his ilk have far too much time on their hands to continually montitor articles and force their way. Everyone knows that Olbermann is a huge liberal that will bash any and all republicans or conservatives on a daily basis. The fact that his article here reads like his is neutral, or very much so, only illustrates that fact that WP in general has a greater liberal slant that the MSM in general. Until those hypcrites deal with this there is little chance of improving WP in general. Arzel (talk) 19:59, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

April 2009

This is the only warning you will receive for your disruptive comments.
The next time you make a personal attack as you did at User Talk:Arzel, you will be blocked for disruption. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. /Blaxthos ( t / c ) 01:31, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Regarding this bait: If you think that going around accusing editors with whom you disagree of having mental defects then I suggest you re-read our core policies. I can assure you that continuing personal attacks will result in removal from Wikipedia, and it certainly shows a lack of maturity. Regarding your quantification question, I assure you that the important quantity is how many times one has received a warning not to attack other editors, not how many times one has issued one for being attacked. It doesn't surprise me that when you run out of substance you switch to personal attacks, namecalling, and insults; probably why you've received a good number of those warnings over the years. Think about it. //Blaxthos ( t / c ) 21:03, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Liberal/conservative

I'm interested in describing people using reliable sources. That's why I dug into the press descriptions of O'Reilly and Olbermann as "conservative" and "liberal" respectively. I might be a raging lefty, but I don't see the sense in not reporting that the majority of the media see Olbermann as being liberal, and the same with O'Reilly and "conservative". The fact that I'm not in the US, so less exposed to the MSNBC/Fox feud probably contributes to me caring a lot less about the supposed pejorative connotations of these labels, and more about the fact that they're notable and reported in multiple mainstream reliable sources. I'm not on anyone's side, so a suggestion of betrayal of Blaxthos is wide of the mark. We should all read WP:ETIQUETTE and WP:CIVIL again (and WP:THELASTWORD), and I include myself in that. Fences and windows (talk) 14:59, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

I think "tack to the left" is a bit vague, and could easily be lost on anyone not familiar with sailing. How about:

Olbermann is AWESOME. Billo is NOT. </sarcasm>

-- Scjessey (talk) 19:01, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

"Leaning" is better than "tacking", but I would prefer to see whatever word the chosen source uses. That would avoid any conflict over it. You're the first to note the Newman thing. I'm going to go and cry now. -- Scjessey (talk) 19:41, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Does that mean I am also responsible for the dinosaurs getting out of the park? -- Scjessey (talk) 19:43, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

No, that's because somebody typoed on the router....--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 21:05, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Response

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Suggestion re: Bill O'Reilly

I've noticed that there is still no resolution over there but that your/Happyme22's version of the lead has garnered almost unanimous support from the persons involved in the discussion. I suggest that you guys be bold and add whatever the agreed version of the lead is into the article, for now. If the RfC ever gets off the ground, then you can tweak it if need be to add stuff about his "influence". I'm just about done checking in on articles of people that I think very little of, so consider this my parting thoughts and good luck. I don't think its right to let one holdout editor stop the progress made by the others.

tb

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//Blaxthos ( t / c ) 02:32, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Keep up the good fight.

From one conservative to another, keep up the good fight to balance out Wikipedia.PokeHomsar (talk) 03:13, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm

Have you gotten more reasonable lately, or is something wrong with my rose-tinted glasses?  ;-) //Blaxthos ( t / c ) 20:54, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Commenting on editors.

I would appreciate it if you refrained from commenting on whether or not you feel I have become "overwrought" or not. I'm not "extremely or excessively excited or agitated" and trying to extrapolate that from a few lines in a discussion is a fools errand. I don't think that the comment was called for. Even if you weren't trying to be insulting (which I don't believe you were), it comes across that way. Niteshift36 (talk) 14:01, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

• Like I said, I didn't believe you were trying to be insulting. No offense taken. Niteshift36 (talk) 14:14, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
• I suspect MichaelLNorth is either someone who had an account before or came here for specific reasons. If you look at his edit history, it is almost exclusively conservative articles or talking to editors about conservative articles. Niteshift36 (talk) 14:50, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Accusations

I've noted your usertalk assertions that you believe sockpuppetry is occurring but let it slide. Your too-cute-by-half attempt to make the accusation against me in a public forum is inappropriate and unappreciated. Please either strike it or open a request for checkuser. I also recommend taking another glance at WP:AGF. Thanks. //Blaxthos ( t / c ) 22:14, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

• Who says it was directed at you? Niteshift36 (talk) 15:05, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

The "Blax????" was my first clue. Badmintonhist, you know that was a bullshit underhanded comment and I'm disappointed you have chosen to ignore my request rather than dealing with your actions. If you think I operate sockpuppets, I wholeheartedly welcome an inquiry (as I obviously do not). If you don't really think that, then making false accusations of bad faith really diminishes the respect I thought we had been building over the last bit or so. We don't have to always agree, but throwing out accusations like that when you don't really believe them is pretty shitty. //Blaxthos ( t / c ) 04:52, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

• Asking you where Michael is translates to accusing you of sockpuppetry? Niteshift36 (talk) 06:39, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Niteshift, kindly butt out -- this conversation doesn't really involve you, and any reasonable editor can plainly see what Badmintonhist's point was. Badmintonhist, regarding your "need to take lessons" comment... please read back through the conversations again and pay special attention to the numerous compromise offers and suggestions I've made towards a compliant and acceptable solution. I have sincerely been trying to move things forward, and just because I don't let Niteshift get away with his blatant ownership attempts and agenda servicing doesn't mean I'm operating in bad faith. I will grant that perhaps I let it go on a little much, but I think that the reason why will become apparent in the next few weeks (stay tuned). You were right to kick me into gear, but I still take great offense at the other points I raised above. //Blaxthos ( t / c ) 16:12, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

• So now you can talk about me and make accusations (again), but I'm not allowed to respond? You are something else. Niteshift36 (talk) 04:31, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Bullshit, you butted in long before I mentioned you. Again, butt out -- this thread is about something else. Shoo. //Blaxthos ( t / c ) 04:39, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Question

I can't seem to get a straight answer due to all the discussion on the main page, but what sources are being used to show Fox's conservative bias? Soxwon (talk) 01:41, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Actually, I was referring to the fact that it was being called biased b/c of its viewership at one point. I already added the mask part back in with proper citations (hopefully the AP and Guardian are good enough for Blax...) Soxwon (talk) 16:15, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Indonesia Badminton

Very well done. Short and full of clear data on frequency of wins. Much better than the vague "often". Martindo (talk) 01:04, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

FYI

I tortured the spelling of your name in my edit to FNC. Sorry about that. Arzel (talk) 20:09, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Pathetic

Is pathetic, childish behavior like this really necessary? Do you really think that sort of immature baiting will serve to make you look like a more reasonable, informed editor? You've already been scolded multiple times for making hypocritical, unnecessary jabs at other editors... can you just not help yourself? Keep it up, and I'll see about getting you some help... otherwise I suggest you do your very best to stick to discussing content issues instead of trying to bait editors with whom you disagree. //Blaxthos ( t / c ) 21:32, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

FNC "Maintains

Hey Bad, Thanks for your note. I think I understand your point better. I agree that "maintains" alone is definately not appropriate. "Maintains that there is" is definately better language. "Points to" is also I feel bad language though and we should work to change this. NickCT (talk) 14:25, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

March 2010

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Countdown with Keith Olbermann. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period. Additionally, users who perform several reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. When in dispute with another editor you should first try to discuss controversial changes to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. Should that prove unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. Please stop the disruption, otherwise you may be blocked from editing. /Blaxthos ( t / c ) 00:16, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Reported

I have reported the 3RR violation to the noticeboard. //Blaxthos ( t / c ) 00:21, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Attacks and bad faith

I have reported your repeated accusations and incivility to ANI. //Blaxthos ( t / c ) 21:23, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Good for you, Blax.Badmintonhist (talk) 21:34, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

I hope you learn something from the ANI thing Badmintonhist. You seem to be unwilling to engage in a rational discussion. I have made numerous points that you seem to ignore (like offering you a website to find my IP location, and even telling you my school's name). I have tried to be as helpful as possible in helping you understand your confusion, but you do not seem to want to listen or engage in a discussion. Rather, you resort to more accusations and insults. I do not think that Wikipedia is a good place for you, and maybe you just need to take a little break (or at least a little break from controversial topics, since you seem to do quite fine with your Badminton posts). Really though, Wikipedia functions through people working together and talking about things (like I tried to do with the Countdown article, in which you quickly stopped responding to my discussion over the content). I do not know what your problem is, and I am not going to be one to make assumptions, but you obviously need to chill out and stop treating people with such hostility, especially since it seems that you get into these types of problems quite often. I doubt you enjoy being stressed out, just as I do not particularly enjoy having to defend myself when I would rather be reading about random topics or trying to help make Wikipedia better. Whether or not you enjoy it though, it is certainly detrimental to the Wikipedia project, and for that reason it has no place anywhere on Wikipedia. Little progress is made through confrontation, especially bad faith accusations.

Also, I do not wish to continue posting all over Blaxthos' page. If you would like to continue this discussion with me, please come to my talk page or we can continue it here. Otherwise, please leave my IP out of your posts 129.133.142.139 (talk) 22:18, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

• Further to the above-linked ANI thread, unless you intend to file a request for checkuser and/or produce diffs to substantiate your accusations, you need to stop making them. I see no reason to believe Blaxthos has been socking, and no apparent link between the IP editor and Blaxthos other than some cross-over article work (which means very little in itself). Where you find yourself in a content dispute please try to operate in good faith and, if necessary, pursue the measures listed at WP:DR. Further unsubstantiated personal attacks against other editors will lead to administrative action being taken against your account. EyeSerene^talk 10:45, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

That's up to you. As a gesture of good faith I'd imagine your note would be welcome wherever you choose to post. Thank you, EyeSerene^talk 09:06, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Apology extended

Resolved

Admitting that one is wrong after being quite sure that one was right is not an easy thing to do. In the case of my accusation that editor Blaxthos was employing a "sockpuppet" in the guise of an anonymous editor, however, I have to admit that I was mistaken and am sorry for it. I didn't give enough credence to the possibilities of coincidence and as a result said things to and about Blaxthos and the Anon (thinking that they were one and the same) that I shouldn't have said.

I am not going to to go into detail on the circumstances that led me to believe that sockpuppetry was involved in this instance. Someone who is interested can glean some of it by reading the back-and-forth between the parties. Blaxthos and I have had some rocky prior interactions and have said some less than kind things about each other. However, I do dispute his equating of my characterization of him as a "piece of work" with the epithet "piece of s__t" in his ANI complaint. The former phrase basically means a curiosity, an odd duck, a strange fellow; the latter basically means a despicable person. Also, my use of the pretty mild "piece of work" came after he referred to me as "paranoid" and "desperate".

As for the anonymous editor located in central Connecticut, I apologize for involving him in a rash and, as it turned out, false accusation. I would advise him, however, to become a "name" editor on Wikipedia. Having an anonymous status with an IP address that continually changes lends itself to charges of "hit and run" and sockpuppetry, and, from what he has said, this is not the first time that he has been accused of it. Badmintonhist (talk) 18:15, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Badmintonhist, I really appreciate your apology. Its not something easy to do, and it says a lot about the type of person you are. If we ever meet again, I look forward to the work we can do together. And trust me, once I am off a college campus and somewhere with a more secure network, I will certainly be registering for Wikipedia. Once again, thank you. 129.133.142.139 (talk) 18:32, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Thank you, Badmintonhist. It would be most helpful if you would also strike any public accusations you made. Despite any impassioned disagreements we may have, you have my word that I do not (nor will ever) engage in unethical acts to obtain an advantage. As I know you're aware, I tend to take confrontations head on.  ;-) //Blaxthos ( t / c ) 21:18, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks again. //Blaxthos ( t / c ) 00:26, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

I thank Blaxthos and IP Editor 129.133.142.139 for their gracious responses. Badmintonhist (talk) 04:55, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Excellent..!

It has been quite some time. Although I wanted to stop in and let you know that I read your contributions regularly. Excellent work. -Wikiport (Jim) Wikiport (talk) 18:23, 21 April 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikiport (talk • contribs) 18:22, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

MMfA

Hi Badmintonhist. I was wondering why you removed my material about MMfA using a Hillary Clinton campaign mailing list. The paragraph is about MMfA's partisanship and it seemed to fit there best. The material was sourced to 2 sources, including ABC News.--Drrll (talk) 23:48, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Frequent unhelpful attacks

I have reported your continued attacks to to ANI. //Blaxthos ( t / c ) 18:58, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

• You're quite welcome. BTW, how do you like this one? [9] Niteshift36 (talk) 20:53, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

• Wouldn't be the first time. Niteshift36 (talk) 04:47, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

MMfA Sources

Hi Badmintonhist. Could you do me a favor and give the full references to the four sources you found in relation to Hillary Clinton and MMfA (Chuck Todd, Game Change, WSJ, and Milwaukee paper). Could you put them with the three others at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Media_Matters_for_America#Sources ? Thanks.--Drrll (talk) 16:56, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

MMfA Mediation

Thanks for filing the mediation request. If all parties don't agree to the mediation, do you want me to try an RfC next?

FYI re: Mediation

Just checking back in, and came across the dust up. As a a veteran of the mediation process, I can tell you that I think it is a great idea to have a referee for these discussions. But just so you know, the mediator is only there to get you guys to meet in the middle and won't issue any kind of rulings, so be aware of that. Also I saw an editor thinking the next step could be arbitration-- Bad IDEA. Arbcom doesn't do content disputes, and if you guys do get before them based on your conduct, you all risk topic bans at best or suspension at worst. Good luck! (I am posting this identical message to Blaxthos, lest I get accused of taking sides). Ramsquire ^{(throw me a line)} 17:11, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I decided to drop in since I've had a lull in the private life. To answer your questions: Nope. ArbCom desperately tries to avoid settling content disputes. Mediation is the best way to bridge this impasse, but if the Mediator gets the impression that it's actually the conduct of the editors that is preventing consensus, then it will report you to ArbCom, and then everyone is under scrutiny. If you have a competent mediator, and everyone legitimately works in good faith, then there shouldn't be a problem. But if the talk page stuff continues, you guys may be in trouble. Ramsquire ^{(throw me a line)} 18:06, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

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MMfA

Fight the good fight buddy, good luck. Rapier (talk) 15:24, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Safe Travel

Hope you have a nice trip. Although the decline in the Euro is not neccessarily a good thing in the long run, it certainly will help make your trip more affordable.  :) Arzel (talk) 00:26, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

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Undue

Undue woud be overly presenting significant views as reported in reliable sources. Frank has been praised repeatedly over the years. If there is credible, significant criticism please show the reliable source for it so we can possibly use it.Munijym (talk) 22:14, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

SPLC

Fine with me. -- Kim van der Linde ^{at venus} 00:55, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Humm, if we follow WP:BRD, you were bold (B) with changing the initial "terrorized" to "harassed and threatened", and I could revert (R) that and you should take it to the talk (D) . But I am fine with the change in this case, was wondering myself about the wording which I thought was a bit strong. -- Kim van der Linde ^{at venus} 01:00, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

True. I don't expect many problems, the case is still rather clear. -- Kim van der Linde ^{at venus} 01:34, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Badmintonhist, I was the one who added the Washington Post description of the SPLC. I agree that it isn't the best fit under 'History,' but I didn't feel that it could be placed in the lead (without support in the main body) or in any other section. Also, I placed it there because of the mention of the 2008 National Geographic special that featured the SPLC & Dees. Do you have any ideas for how this could be still be incorporated? Drrll (talk) 23:31, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Dishonest edit

It is always unacceptable to mark significant changes as "minor". If this becomes a pattern, you will be reported. Dylan Flaherty 00:50, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

I'm under the impression that reverts are automatically marked as minor by wiki software? BE——Critical_{__Talk} 20:44, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

No, the check box needs to be checked. Try it for yourself and see. Dylan Flaherty 20:47, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Didn't used to be that way. BE——Critical_{__Talk} 00:02, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Funny

Glad you liked it, I consider it sort of an immunity building process. If the 1% of wikipedians who have a sense of humor didn't display it once in a while, the other 99% would forget how to edit AN/I. BE——Critical_{__Talk} 20:44, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

LOL, I was going to say something about "also used for a knight speculating about how the damsel abducted by the dragon looked under her dress," but I thought that was too much. BE——Critical_{__Talk} 21:04, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Section about you at user Talk page

In case you weren't aware of it, there is a section devoted to you at PrBeacon's user talk page. Drrll (talk) 15:28, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

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In particular, the three-revert rule states that:

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Z'at so, Guvnah? A. I haven't reverted 3 edits in the article in question within a 24 hour period. Check the times. B. I've explained my reverts, substantively, when I've done so, either in my edit summaries or the Talk page or in both. C. You, on the other hand, either failed to see, or if you saw, engage in, a talk page discussion I had already opened with our colleague, the North Shoreman, prior to reverting my edit. D. Speaking of substance, Guvnah, you've offered none on the merits of the edits in question. I don't like your sassiness says nothing about the substance of the article. Badmintonhist (talk) 18:22, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Bullsh!t. We all know that your (slow) edit warring is contrary to the collaborative nature of this project. Your attempts at justifying your reverts seem borderline self-delusional, especially how you claim to be discussing the issue on the talkpage, along with your lame attempts at humor. Your snide and patronizing comments in edit summaries and at the article talkpage are more than 'sass'. They're disruptive and actionable. -PrBeacon (talk) 21:24, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

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April 2011

Welcome to Wikipedia. It might not have been your intention, but your recent edit removed content from Keith Olbermann. When removing content, please specify a reason in the edit summary and discuss edits that are likely to be controversial on the article's talk page. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the content has been restored, as you can see from the page history. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia, and if you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. Scjessey (talk) 20:15, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

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Misbun Sidek

If you find time, could you please look at the Misbun Sidek page. Somebody added a lot of content, but with poor grammar. A native English speaking person is needed there. --Florentyna (talk) 14:05, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Completely new abortion proposal and mediation

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The hope is that, if a consensus can be reached on the article titles, the energy that has been spent debating the titles of the articles here and here can be better spent giving both articles some much needed improvement to their content. Please take some time to read the proposal and weigh in on the matter. Even if your opinion is simple indifference, that opinion would be valuable to have posted.

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NPR controversies

Hello Badmintonhist. I hope all is well.

I had a couple of questions about your RfC response in that article. I don't understand your remark "Why should Wikipedia be drawing the conclusion that Totenberg's remarks were "inappropriate"?" Unless I'm missing something, the RfC that CWenger put forth doesn't suggest that we create a new section classifying Totoenberg's remarks as a controversy and it doesn't characterize the remarks as inappropriate. It merely adds the specific Totenberg quote to the existing text in the Williams section. The other thing I didn't understand in light of your vote was your remark "Include them in-line and allow the reader to draw his/her own conclusions." Were you talking about including them in-line in the NPR controversies article or the Totenberg article, as your caveat suggests?

Thanks, Drrll (talk) 12:46, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Comment on contents not on users

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Bill O'Reilly (political commentator)

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SPLC hate group RfC

It seems the discussion to add the hate speech designation controversey is going stale. I suspect that if the conversation were to continue we would simply get walls of text with some arguments buried inside. Any interest in crafting an RfC?   little green rosetta(talk)
central scrutinizer  13:58, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

I figured you would be back eventually. I suggest you (we) fill out your template, run the sources by RSN and then be bold and insert it. If and when it gets reverted, we can then run an RfC.  little green rosetta(talk)
central scrutinizer  22:59, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Since I'm weak with computer and at footnoting Wiki style (despite being a former teacher), I'd prefer that you handle it, green rosetta. I'll put my two cents worth of advice on going about it, though. The mention of criticisms of the SPLC's hate group list should be elaborately sourced with both prominent opinion pieces and hard news items. Go with the best known sources except, perhaps, in the case of Kenneth Jost's blog. Jost is a legal academic, generally liberal in outlook, and connected to CQ (The Congressional Quarterly). You may have trouble finding a good SPLC quote that defends its hate group list in general. Quotes specifically defending its anti-gay hate group list are easy enough to find here [10]. Good luck. Badmintonhist (talk) 00:10, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Sounds good. I'm in no rush, but will ping you when I have something or want to ask you a question.  little green rosetta(talk)
central scrutinizer  00:18, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Fair enough. Badmintonhist (talk) 00:22, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Family Research Council

Before removing any more of other people's comments, I'd appreciate it if you read WP:TPG. I'm StillStanding (24/7) (talk) 21:36, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Small change

Small fixes like [11] are always welcome. Lot's of small edits add up. IRWolfie- (talk) 21:43, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Scheele

You cited sometimes from the International Handbook of the IBF from Scheele. Do you own one ore more of these handbooks or do you have access to them? If yes, would it be possible to you to make a scan of some pages from this book and send them to me? Best regards, --Florentyna (talk) 19:24, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

The greatest thing to me would be, if you could borrow me these books. I tried everything - ebay, abebooks, zvab.com, German badminton association - no way. There is officially registered one and only book of all the handbooks ever released in all German libraries (1967)! So I started to order copies of pages from this handbook (a maximum of 20 pages is allowed for each order, every order costs 1,50 Euro). But it is allowed to copy only 10 percent of a book or journal. Terrible! So, if you could borrow me the books it would a great benefit for my hobby work here. Off course I will pay for all postage and package you need, and send the books a.s.a.p. back to you. An access to my credit card details I could give to you to secure your financial claims. --Florentyna (talk) 21:14, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

It is possible for you to send me an e-mail containing your e-mail-address via the E-mail this user function on my userpage (Special:EmailUser/Florentyna)? I will reply with my contact data. Thank you very much! (By the way, in the 1967 handbook there must be a photograph of our team Aktivist Tröbitz). --Florentyna (talk) 06:24, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

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Maafa 21 article

Badmintonhist, thank you for your contributions on the Maafa 21 article. If you are interested, please see my effort to rewrite the Reception section, posted here. Let me know what you think (good, bad or ugly), particularly if any of my rewrite could and should be used. Thanks again! -- Beleg Strongbow (talk) 17:09, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Badmintonhist, you've also violated 1RR at the article, which, as you should know, is under ArbCom sanction. Please don't do this again. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 07:46, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Please cite Badmintonhist's reverts. Out of curiosity, I went looking for them and couldn't find them. -- Beleg Strongbow (talk) 19:17, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the Purple Barnstar. :) -- Beleg Strongbow (talk) 20:31, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

We miss you. Come on back. -- Beleg Strongbow (talk) 14:31, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Binksternet has a 1RR opened against me, again. Feel free to comment, one way or the other. -- Beleg Strongbow (talk) 16:52, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Chuck Hoey

I've been meaning to ask you this for a while. Are you familiar with Chuck? While he is mostly focused towards table tennis, he did have a nice collection of badminton artifcats at one time or another.  little green rosetta(talk)
central scrutinizer  00:50, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Sorry LGR, I am not familiar with with the man. Badmintonhist (talk) 01:12, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Interesting guy[12]. Table tennis afficiando, avid racquet sports collector (he curates the ITTF museum in Switzerland), beat Bobby Fischer at a game of chess. A friend of mine from years ago. His stories from being drafted into the Army during VN are amazing in the "you can't make this shit up" sort of fashion. I gotta bug him to write this stuff down.  little green rosetta(talk)
central scrutinizer  01:24, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Sounds like an interesting fellow, but beating Bobby Fischer in chess? What was Fischer doing? Playing against 39 other guys at the same time? I am not really a badminton memorabilia collector though I wouldn't mind having a few of the kind of racquets I used when I started playing back in 1956/1957, when I was in the first grade. Curiously, the feathered badminton shuttle has hardly changed at all, but the racquets are vastly lighter. Badmintonhist (talk) 02:06, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Delete per WP:NPA

At Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view/Noticeboard#Maafa_21 I have asked you to strike your belittling term "R&B". I consider it a violation of WP:NPA. Thank you. Binksternet (talk) 00:17, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

You are offended by initials? My oh my.  little green rosetta(talk)
central scrutinizer  00:47, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

I am offended by a belittling name-calling attitude. Binksternet (talk) 00:58, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

I offer my apologies to you, Binksternet, and also to little green rosetta for referring to him as LGR in the Chuck Hoey section above. However, after long and agonizing consideration, I've decided NOT to strike those initials AS OF THE MOMENT. Now, Binksternet, if YOU (because she probably won't listen to me) can somehow use your influence to convince Roscelese to strike her phrases: "users edit-warring tendentiously in service of POV," "users whose love for the film seemingly outweigh their commitment to building an encyclopedia," "fans of the film" and any other such belittling references to LGR, BS, and BMTH, then I promise to reconsider. Badmintonhist (talk) 01:24, 21 February 2013 (UTC)