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Cold War Task Force

I have added your name to the task force as a TF coordinator. Thanks for volunteering for this assignment. TomStar81 (Talk) 01:30, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your reviews

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		By order of the Military history WikiProject coordinators, for your devoted contributions to the WikiProject's Peer and A-Class reviews, I am delighted to award you this WikiChevrons.  Roger Davies talk 12:07, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Tks Rog! Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 13:53, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

For this. Nick-D (talk) 12:17, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

No prob ;-) Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 02:37, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the tidying

Just wanted to say thank for touching up the Dark class fast patrol boat article. Miyagawa (talk) 12:08, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Anytime - keep up your good work...! Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 02:37, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Adrian Cole

Adrian Cole- 'Above the trenches' page 112 states 6 destroyed, 3 OOC, = 9 However in the supplement published in 1996 on page 18 adds an additional claim- a Rumpler destroyed on 14/8/18 shared with Lt CO Stone. Cheers Harryurz (talk)

Thanks mate. So would that bring his total to 10 as far as Above the Trenches is concerned? From my understanding the British counted shared victories as 1 for each participant, not a percentage as in WWII... Also, would you say the list given at The Aerodrome is correct, i.e. all 10 were in France with No. 2 Sqn AFC and none in Palestine? Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 23:33, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

P.S. If I'm right and this list in The Aerodrome is lifted from Above the Trenches or its supplement, could you let me know the book and the page no. it's on for citation? Many tks again, cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 02:07, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Indian Air Force

Can you look at the PR for this since you have done some FAs on RAAF politics and commanders. The article seems very unbalanced, in my opinion. YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) paid editing=POV 14:17, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Sure mate, will have a look next day or so. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 02:37, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Hi, you made a few changes to this page. This was really helpful. Unfortunately, I wont be able to contribute at all for next week or two. We will really appreciate if you can help us make it a A-class article. Nosedown (talk) is doing a considerable copyedit and he might need some help. We have most of the facts and prose but still needs a little bit of editing to tie everything together. Thanks. Sumanch (talk) 06:54, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

No prob, I wasn't finished, just had to take a break for other stuff - should be able to do some more soon. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 06:59, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

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RAAF Air Power Development Centre

Hi Ian, have you seen that the Air Power Development Centre's website has been (recently?) greatly upgraded and now includes PDF versions of many of the books they've published? There's lots of stuff which would be very useful to RAAF history articles there now. Nick-D (talk) 07:22, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Yep, a few there I've heard of but not seen before - tks! Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 08:38, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Konig class

Hi, Ian. Thanks for reviewing and copyediting the article, it's much appreciated. It always amazes me how I can miss things like "fours" :) Parsecboy (talk) 15:14, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

H & A

Howdy! Yes, it has been a while. Thanks for the info. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 12:52, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Adrian Cole

No problem, thanks for your comment. Great article by the way – when I read the story in The Age, I thought if there's no Wikipedia article on this guy there should be! Of course there was! (I had a bit of trouble finding it due to the lack of disambiguation links from the Adrian Cole article about an author, but I added a link to the disambiguation page. --Canley (talk) 06:31, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

This is what I love about WP, me finding someone augmenting an article I've worked on, you finding an article about the subject of a news report that caught your eye. Tks again, and also for updating the dab page. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 07:29, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Clive Caldwell

Hi Ian, Do you own Kristen Alexander's book on Caldwell? I've started working on an article about the raid on Darwin on 2 May 1943 in which No. 1 Wing suffered heavy losses at User:Nick-D/Drafts7 (all contributions welcome!), and it looks like a useful source. Nick-D (talk) 23:54, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't own it but I'm sure the Mitchell would have a copy so when you're ready for some more detail on that episode (sorry, don't have time to check your draft right now and see where you're at) let me know and I'll go and add some - might have a chance in the next few days, generally not based in town in the latter half of the week... Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 00:40, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Ian. I can borrow the book from a few different libraries - I was just checking to see if you had a copy before I travelled to see if the book would be of use. Nick-D (talk) 05:37, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, no trouble for me to check that at the Mitchell in the next day or two if you can wait till then... Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 11:14, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

P.S. If you're just looking for a preview, I know it's on GoogleBooks... Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 11:15, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Ah, thanks. The entire chapter on the raid is there, and it looks very similar to the Sabretache article. Nick-D (talk) 11:33, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

WWI VCs

Hi there Ian, thanks for the comments at the FLC. I have made some edits to the lead now and commented on the FLC. Is my edit what you had in mind? Thanks again, Woody (talk) 14:25, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Very much what I had in mind, ta... Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 15:51, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Hippolyte De La Rue

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"Heroes"

I am trying to establish more about the French version of this song. I came across this on YouTube, which I note you haven't included in your list of "other versions". I note also that the French version was released in Australia with somne of the other language versions (I assume it wasn't the hybrid?), but do you know if the single was released in France in 1979 with only this track and entitled "Heroes" not "Héros", like the album cover on YouTube would seem to indicate?

I'm also trying to establish the origins of another (allegedly) Bowie song "David Bowie's Revolutionary Song". Any thoughts?

Any info you can provide would be appreciated.

 _♫ Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪^Talk 11:32, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Hi there. According to my copy of Carr & Murray's Bowie: An Illustrated Record, the French version of "Heroes" ("Héros") was released as a single on its own (catalogue number PB.9187), like the German version ("Helden", PB.9188), and of course the English version. The implication was that all were recorded in 1977. I've never seen that cover on YouTube but I wouldn't necessarily trust that 1979 date just because it's on YouTube. As to "Revolutionary Song", you can read pretty well all I know about it in Schöner Gigolo, armer Gigolo. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 12:12, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Many thanks for the info Ian!  _♫ Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪^Talk 09:00, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

WP:FOUR award for Adrian Cole (RAAF officer)

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Thanks/cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 23:49, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

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25 DYK award

		The 25 DYK Medal
		For the 34 DYKs that you've actually earned and the interesting improvements to the encyclopedia you've provided. Thank you dm (talk) 15:56, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks mate! Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 00:32, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/HMAS Sydney (1934)/archive1

Have you seen this? Is it feasible? YellowMonkey (cricket photo poll!) paid editing=POV 01:21, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

While it seems well-structured, on principle the major contributor(s) should be consulted before FAC at the very least. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 08:45, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Re:ACR closure

Indeed, I wasn't aware of the new ACR regulations concerning minimum/maximum duration. However, I believe we can make an exception this time considering that it had 5 supports as well. Anyway, thanks for the notice! --Eurocopter (talk) 15:46, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

An exciting opportunity to get involved!

As a member of the Aviation WikiProject or one of its subprojects, you may be interested in testing your skills in the Aviation Contest! I created this contest, not to pit editor against editor, but to promote article improvement and project participation and camraderie. Hopefully you will agree with its usefulness. Sign up here, read up on the rules here, and discuss the contest here. The first round of the contest may not start until September 1st-unless a large number of editors signup and are ready to compete immediately! Since this contest is just beginning, please give feedback here, or let me know what you think on my talkpage. - Trevor MacInnis ^contribs 00:41, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Ellis Wackett

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my confusion

Ian, hi again and thanks for fixing the Bowie reference. I could not work out what was wrong with it (a big red "no tag" text was showing in the ref list for No. 31). I tried and tried; I copied the ref text from a previous version. Still no luck. The only thing that would work was the removal of the first bit. I'm still unsure what the function of that first part is; I'm not good on the mechanics of reference syntax. Tony (talk) 01:47, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Heh, no prob, but I didn't actually fix the prob that showed up in the Notes section (have now). The <ref name="xxxx"> bit must be identical for each instance of its use. The original, which included the actual author/year/page reference, had been broken by an extra space being added between "p." and the page numbers. Of course we have a mix of displayed page references in the form "p. 99" and "p.99" anyway, but with the ref name tag, it's not important if there's a space or not so long as each instance matches—it's an internal key to match identical citations, not for display. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 02:28, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

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Dizzy from the barrage

Saw [1] this and couldn't help but laugh. See User:The_ed17/Sandbox2 for further explanation. -MBK₀₀₄ 00:18, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Heh, looks like the barrage will only get heavier...! Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 14:00, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

An Award!

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		For your outstanding contributions to three or more featured articles I hereby award you the Featured Article Medal. Keep up the good work! TomStar81 (Talk) 04:54, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for thinking of that Tom - appreciated! Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 08:35, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

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Contest update

Well, it's just 1 day until the contest begins, so I thought I'd check in with everyone and make sure you're all ready to go. First I'd like everyone to check out the main contest page and read over the rules and the scoring system. If you have any final questions or concerns, make them known on the talk page. Wikipedia:WikiProject Aviation/Contest/History/2009 is the scoreboard that will be updated, you can watchlist it. Check out Wikipedia:WikiProject Aviation/Contest/Submissions which shows how your submission page should look. Another example is at Wikipedia:WikiProject Aviation/Contest/Submissions Example, and your personal page should be listed at the footer of the page, which is also at Wikipedia:WikiProject Aviation/Contest/Users. Again, take any questions to the contest talk page.

Good luck! - Trevor MacInnis ^contribs 20:57, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Butting in???

If you are offering me useful tips, you most definitely are not "butting in". Sometimes I even put out requests for help, with no response.

Now if I only knew a reason why I have to duplicate cites.... Take a look at Pier Ruggero Piccio, for example. I found the accounts of the various aspects of his life in large chunks within the sources. For instance, the entire story of his first marriage and domestic disputes came from one news story. I drew the facts from it, but rearranged them extensively. Anyone checking the source of the cites at the end of the paragraph in that story would be maddened at returning to the same article and re-reading it over and over, plucking out facts like raisins from rice pudding.

Georgejdorner (talk) 03:51, 1 September 2009 (UTC) What can I say?

I know this, like a number of style considerations at Wikipedia, doesn't satisfy everyone, but it seems to work for most. I started off with dup cites as well but eventually saw that the review process demanded adherance to certain style conventions. It does make the list of footnotes shorter overall, and the a/b/c/etc allows you to link back and forth between the footnotes and the relevant points of the article. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 23:46, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Wackett book

Hi Ian, I saw a copy of the book Shaft of the spear : evolution of the RAAF technical services to the end of the Second World War in the AWM bookshop today. Not surprisingly given its topic, the index had a very large number of entries for E.C. Wackett so it may be worth looking into. The book is self-published but has an introduction by Angus Houston, so I think that it counts as a reliable source (for what it's worth, it looked reliable!). I didn't buy a copy I'm afraid though as it was about $40. Nick-D (talk) 06:24, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Heh, don't blame you, bit steep for such a specialised subject...! Was hoping it might be in the State or Mitchell Libraries but no such luck. Probably is reliable given the authors are ex-Technical Branch officers (one at least an Air Commodore) but may have to pass on it for a while... I'm pretty happy with the level of detail in the Ellis Wackett article now but will keep my eye out for this one - tks for letting me know, Nick. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 07:08, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Contest scoring change

I've realized there may be an issue with the scoring system, and I have a solution, which I've explained here. Feedback is requested. - Trevor MacInnis ^contribs 23:55, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

next step on Detzner?

Ian, thanks for your review on Hermann Detzner. What do I need to do next, to move this along? Ruth Auntieruth55 (talk) 14:51, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

I think you've done everything you need/can for now - with three supports (albeit one qualified) and all comments acknowledged, it's up to a MilHist Coordinator to come along and close it as promoted once they deem fit (A-Class Reviews generally require minimum three supports before promotion, but can remain open for a maximum 28 days). Although I'm a Coordinator, I won't close as I've reviewed/supported it. Anyway, I'd expect some action in next few days... Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 20:12, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

sounds good. After that, I'll go for the FAC hoops. R Auntieruth55 (talk) 00:00, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Ian, Hermann Detzner is not on the candidates list at Featured Articles. Auntieruth55 (talk) 19:02, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Woody added it to Template:WPMILHIST Announcements and transcluded your nom page to Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Review‎ very soon after you nominated, Ruth. I'll announce it on a couple of the MilHist talk pages as usual, when I get a chance today, if no-one else gets to that first. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 22:05, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

I meant to say it is "NOW" on the candidates for FA. I did it manually, not knowing it was automatic....:) Auntieruth55 (talk) 01:11, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Heh, you meant "now" instead of "not", eh? Just a good old-fashioned typo then! That said, we don't have a bot that adds things to MilHist lists, it is actually done manually by MilHist coordinators or experienced editors. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 01:56, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

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Thanks!

WikiThanks

Cheers for reverting vandalism on my talkpage mate! --Eurocopter (talk) 08:05, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

A pause for self-evaluation

I have not said I am leaving Wikipedia. I have decided on a sabbatical while I contemplate my future (or lack of it) with Wikipedia.

It's sobering to realize that after a year writing for Wikipedia I am a drag on the project because of my lack of editing skills. Writing is easy; I can just sit down and stitch together an article just as I used to collate intelligence reports. I can crank out articles that those with more information can develop into a Featured or Class A article. That's fine with me. I'm happy filling in the gaps in the bios of the World War I fighter aces. However, I am beginning to dredge the bottom of the information barrel; I can foresee a coming future of producing mostly Stubs on the lower-scoring aces. So my given field seems to be mined out.

And style? I can mimic any style, if need be. I had hoped Wikipedia would be written in a more engaging style than print encyclopedias....still, if you want me to mimic a Wikipedia style, I can do it.

However, Wiki editing, for whatever reason, is tough for me. This is where I fall down. After a year, I am still struggling to learn such basics as inserting graphics and converting bare URLs into something more acceptable. I have shuffled this self-knowledge aside as I have rushed to write articles.

It has become apparent to me that I must learn Wiki editing and cease to burden others with cleaning up after me. My sabbatical is a thinking time for me to discover whether I can, or will learn to, master Wiki editing. If I can't, then my contributions are at an end. It would be time to pass the torch.

Georgejdorner (talk) 16:14, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

WP:FOUR award for John Lerew

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Thanks, Tony! Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 06:39, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Angliaman re your help Ian

I see you are in Sydney where many of my relatives were, jusy a few now, Blue Mts, and Sydney Harbour etc. Thanks for your help, there is a lot to learn to navigate the site. I am trying to update my page, it's learning how to do it, takes time. I think in a few weeks will be more familiar with routine. I did go back and do summaries last night on two or three edits, but after I write the summaries, and clicked, save, I could not see them afterwards, and did not understand why, a surely they should be viewable, not to the public but to people here. David B

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Four Award

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Tks mate! Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 03:09, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks and a request!

Thanks for your service as coordinator on WPr Military History for the last six months. Great job, the Wikiproject has matured some more. Lots more needs to be done though.

Would you consider giving a para here on what you planned to do, what you could achieve, what gave you happiness, what irritated you and your suggestions for the road ahead to the new team?

All the best for the new elections!

AshLin (talk) 04:17, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

In terms of Australian Task Force content, I’ll be continuing to encourage greater emphasis on quality Royal Australian Navy biographies, an area which has lagged behind RAAF and Australian Army biographies because, unlike those cases, no-one has picked it up as their area of focus. Related to this, I’ll be working towards getting a biography of every Australian service chief to at least B-Class standard, which I think would be an achievement. Civil but stimulating collaboration with the other people in this project gives me enjoyment. What irritates me – and of course it’s a Wikipedia-wide thing – is the continuing indulgence of IP editors. I’ve known only one or two who are serious contributors, and though of course there are bad eggs among editors with user names, that’s a small minority in comparison. Making editors take a name does not IMO make WP any less of an encyclopedia that 'anyone can edit'. For the road ahead with the new team of MilHist coordinators, I’m not certain of the best solution to concerns in the make-up of Task Forces but no doubt we'll invest more time to discuss and rationalise as necessary. Assigning roles within MilHist for coordinators rather than everyone just 'doing their bit/best' is also worth investigating, perhaps on a roster basis to spread the load and the less exciting tasks. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 07:13, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Operation Majestic Titan and India

Hi Ian, Since Operation Majestic Titan is on, I was wondering if it is possible to get some article on the Battleships built in India before the British Raj. I believe that if you know someone with a good source on Kanhoji Angre vs East India company or Saamoothiri vs Portuguese article can be written. --Vinay84 (talk) 16:40, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

See my reply on Roger's talk page: User_talk:Roger_Davies#Operation_Majestic_Titan_and_India. One would think people would come to those listed in the blurb about the op to ask questions? -MBK₀₀₄ 01:03, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Waddy

Some coincidence indeed, ven more so that I happened to spot both through my watchlist. Any mileage in a dual dyk nom, if your guy is sufficiently far enough along? David Underdown (talk) 14:44, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Well that's the thing, I've got all my sources lined up but still have most of the writing to complete so while it might scrape in by end of month it's certainly not as advanced as the other one appears to be. BTW, there are many more refs/links in WP already to 'my' Waddy but as he seems to have been fairly well known by his full name I was happy to go with that - tks for pointing it out. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 15:02, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

I think John Waddy will end up as a dab page, neither seems to be able to claim obvious pre-eminence. We could always see if Steve is prepared to hold off putting his guy live until you're in a position to do yours, bu tit's probably not really worth it. Just be quite fun to continue the coincidence. David Underdown (talk) 15:20, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Heh, it doesn't just stop there... John Lloyd Waddy's son Lloyd is a QC, judge, and co-founder of Australians for Constitutional Monarchy, making him pretty worthy of an article himself - so we could end up with a John Waddy article, a John Lloyd Waddy article, and a Lloyd Waddy article, to create some neat symmetry (or near-total confusion)...! Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 15:28, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Hello there. Amusingly there was another Waddy at Arnhem who was killed in the battle and was actually a distant relative of the John Waddy I'm writing about! I'd be happy to hold of uploading if you reckon you can have your Waddy done by the end of the month or thereabouts. Definately be a fun DYK, although I wouldn't know how to word it! Ranger Steve (talk) 16:53, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Incestuous world, ain't it?! Well, Steve, I'll do my best on 'my' Waddy article as it'd be my only entry in this month's MilHist writing contest, where I like to at least keep up appearances... As to wording, my first thought'd be simply something along the lines of ...during World War II, John Waddy of the RAAF became one of Australia's top-scoring aces, while John Waddy of the British Army <your hook>? I'd love to get bits in about their notable post-war careers as well, but I doubt even a two-article entry would gain us that much grace over the usual 200-character hook limit... Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 21:53, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Congrats!

Coordinator of the
Military history WikiProject,
October 2009 - March 2010

Congrats on your election as Coordinator for the Military history Project. In honor of your achievement, I present you with these stars. TomStar81 (Talk) 00:19, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Tom - right back at ya! Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 00:28, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

[2] Oops :) —Ed (talk • contribs) 00:45, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

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No, I noticed; I'm just not in the habit of editing other people's posts :) At any rate, its not the typing that was important, it was the gift. Your heart was int he right place, and that's what matters most, is it not? ;) TomStar81 (Talk) 05:42, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Tks mate - yes, definitely the heart, just not the eyes or the brain at that particular moment...! ;-) Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 05:48, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

HELPPPPPPP

I tried to fix a comma problem in your article, while I did the GA review, and I now have botched up the reference for footnote 6. I've tried undoing what I did, but that doesn't seem to help.  !!! Nice article, btw. It's about to pass.  :) Ruth Auntieruth55 (talk) 18:06, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

All good now, tks. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 02:12, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

At your leisure

Take your time Ian. It can't be that often that 2 wikiers go and write articles about people with the same name at the same time. It'll be a fun DYK (I hope) so I'm happy to wait until you're done. Cheers, Ranger Steve (talk) 18:20, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Tks Steve, but I'm just putting the finishing touches on it and will put it in mainspace sometime today, so pls feel free to do the same with yours. Have you got your portion of the hook ready per suggestion above? Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 02:14, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

I'll upload mine shortly then, and knock together a disambig page. For the hook, I guess it'll be;

...during World War II, John Waddy of the RAAF became one of Australia's top-scoring aces, while John Waddy of the Parachute Regiment was captured at the Battle of Arnhem?

Or;

... that World War II RAAF ace John Waddy later became a politician, and parachutist John Waddy went on to command the SAS?

I'm guessing the politician part is correct, although you might want to clarify it. Like you I'd prefer to get something in about their later careers, and this was the shortest way I could do it. But we might get special consideration for a 2 article hook anyway. Ranger Steve (talk) 07:01, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

How about:

... that RAAF fighter ace John Waddy later became a Minister of the Crown, while British Army parachutist John Waddy went on to command the SAS?

that RAAF fighter ace John Waddy later became a Minister of the Crown, while British Army paratrooper John Waddy went on to command the SAS?

Minor tweak to paratrooper. Looks good! Ranger Steve (talk) 08:08, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Yep, paratrooper's much better - let's go for it! Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 08:16, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Just making some minor tweaks on my userpage, will upload in a sec and finish them off on the actual page. Ranger Steve (talk) 08:19, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Do you want to put the DYK in while I tweak my page? If you do can you mention User:Skinny87 for assisting? Ranger Steve (talk) 08:39, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Sure thing. Yours looks good - but no public domain pics of him around, huh? I think there's precedent for two pics in double noms; I won't include a pic of 'my' Waddy unless you discover one of 'yours'. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 08:43, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Not sure about pics - I think some of the ones I've seen are, but I can't be certain. But if you're interested there's another pic of your Waddy here. Good article btw! Ranger Steve (talk) 08:55, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

I've done the nom for you - felt I deserved a bit of credit since I spotted the coincidence in the first place! David Underdown (talk) 09:12, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Heh, indeed you do - no complaint from me...! Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 10:58, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Nor me! Ranger Steve (talk) 22:33, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Meetup Time in Sydney :-)

Hi all,

It's meetup time again in Sydney - hopefully you'll be able to come along for friendly chat and drinks about all things wiki - topics will no doubt include the Chapter - perhaps with planning for the upcoming AGM, the general state of wiki-play, and the traditional candle lighting to encourage the mythical flagged-revisions extension to make its way on to the wiki. At this point, I usually mention that sitting wiki arbitrators are compelled to buy everyone a drink, but one of our number has taken a rather extreme route in avoiding this duty - if you have no idea what I'm talking about then you're probably busy writing and maintaining articles - but come along anyways on the 21st October, from 18.30 til late, to find out :-) cheers, Privatemusings (talk) 21:32, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

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Auntieruth55 (talk) 01:08, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

re: ACR

Crap, I just can't get used with this new regulation and always forgot to check the nomination date. I'll try to keep in mind this next time. Anyway, thanks for your notice! --Eurocopter (talk) 11:17, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Ellis Wackett

Well done on overcoming all of that tricky image adversity, and achieving Featured Article status on Ellis Wackett! Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 01:48, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Tks mate, and also for your part in the discussion. Naturally I see the image guys' point, it only seems like things are made up as they go along because these supposedly long-standing rules suddenly pop out of the woodwork. That said, I think we may as well include as a matter of course the following in addition to the PD-Australia template for every new Commons image from the AWM which declares itself "out of copyright - public domain", to negate any controversy; will mention this at the Australian TF page:

Per the link above to the Australian government site where the image was found, the Australian government considers this to be public domain.

Good idea. I guess it just depends on the image reviewer, and how well they "probe"; still bloody annoying sometimes though, lol. Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 07:13, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, I just remembered then that I got advice from an image reviewer before the FAC of Otto Becher as I thought something might come up, and he told me to place a Fair Use Rational on the image. However, the above tag is probably more appropiate, so I'll go swap them now. Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 07:19, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Yes, we all want to be consistent, the above PD notice makes more sense for Becher. With the Ellis Wackett portrait, that's different because it didn't come from AWM and so has no "out of copyright - public domain" legend. On the other hand, fair use is very strict too and the fact we have some Wackett pictures that are PD - even though they're not good portraits - may result in objections to a fair use rationale as well. Well, we'll see... Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 07:27, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Congrats!

		The Military history A-Class medal
		For prolific work on – John Lerew, Ellis Wackett and John Lloyd Waddy – promoted to A-Class between July and October 2009, by order of the coordinators of the Military history WikiProject, you are hereby awarded the Milhist A-Class medal. -MBK004 21:14, 11 October 2009 (UTC)