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Hello, you already know me from Israeli-Palestinian conflict arguments and I think you can help me with a new article I started working on (But didn't have too much time to sit on it casuse of things I had to do and my work in List of terrorist incidents article. Anyway, the article is the Al-Aqsa riots of 2015 who are technically still ongiong and I think you can help me since you have more then enough knowlege in the general subject. I will be happy if you"ll help me. I am probably going to work more on it in Sukkut when I"ll have more time. --Bolter21 21:21, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

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Please avoid wholesale reverts as you did on Israel here, take care. Tanbircdq (talk) 12:55, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

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Kidnapping and murder of Mohammed Abu Khdeir

Mattel Battlestar Galactica game, circa 1978

Someone who likes BSG (MK II) cant be too 'bad' I own the series myself!
So I'll say in reference to this that I had WP:BLPNAME in mind. Don't you think that this is possibly an invasion of the involved the child's privacy? After all, the two guilty minors aren't named (or did I just miss them?) 220 of ^Borg 05:48, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

@220 of Borg: I'm not sure whether WP:BLPNAME applies. Indeed he is "discussed primarily in terms of a single event". However I don't think that the name "has not been widely disseminated or has been intentionally concealed". I couldn't find any "publication in secondary sources other than news media, such as scholarly journals or the work of recognized experts". I'll post a question on the article's own talk page to get more opinions.

So say we all. “WarKosign” 07:39, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

Fr@kking aye! - 220 of ^Borg 08:48, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

← How about this for BSG 'retro' . I just added it here 220 of ^Borg 01:46, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

Huh?

Did you actually read Kingdom_of_Israel_(united_monarchy)#Archaeological_record before invoking it as a reason for reverting? Since the experts are still arguing even about the existence of a place, what faith can be put in a precise depiction of its boundaries? Actually none. Bad revert. Zero^talk 09:11, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

@Zero0000: Since the experts are arguing, we can't choose position of some of them and repeat it in wikipedia voice. The caption could be "according to the bible and some archeology expects", but I think it's better to omit it altogether. “WarKosign” 09:14, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

You have it backwards. The caption at the moment presents the map as a factual statement. That fails WP:V, so for sure it is against policy. The description "according to the Bible" that I used is factual and does not express an opinion as to the correctness of the bible. Perhaps you are confusing my version with a version that was there a couple of edits earlier. Zero^talk 09:19, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

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1RR

You crossed it. Wanted to give you the opportunity to self revert. Oncenawhile (talk) 12:57, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

@Oncenawhile: Thanks, I reverted. The letter is interesting, but note that he never calls himself Palestinian, only "of Palestine". Concluding from that that he considered himself Palestinian rather than an Arab is WP:OR. “WarKosign” 13:01, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

I will open a thread at the page. Oncenawhile (talk) 13:09, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

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Just enjoying stalking your userboxes - your page is much more interesting than mine. By the way, you are being very humble with your English userbox - you seem to be much more of an en-5 than an en-3! Oncenawhile (talk) 13:52, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

@Oncenawhile: Thanks. Nothing prevents you from exposing a lot of irrelevant information about yourself. One of my goals in editing here was to improve my English, and I suppose I'm getting there. en-4 says "near native", and it seems too presumptuous. en-5 says "professional" which I understand as professional (copy)writer, which is certainly not my level. “WarKosign” 15:51, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

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Sorry (edit conflict)

I didn't mean to imply that you were being an idiot,[1] but our changes conflicted. Believe it or not, though, the proper English translation of "Terra Sancta sive Palestina" is not "The Holy Land or Israel", idiotic edits by IPs notwithstanding. -- Kendrick7^talk 17:52, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

@Kendrick7: No offense taken. I did not check whether the original was particularly correct, only that IP's edit was clearly blind removal of everything related to Israel. However, using the word "idiot" in a comment is never a good idea. “WarKosign” 18:44, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

You are correct, it's not a good idea. Still the endless edit warring — every single time I look — over the title of a map which was written plainly in black and white ~250 years ago never ends. I don't think I could be blamed for invoking WP:SPADE at this point. -- Kendrick7^talk 19:49, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

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It seems we both agree on the same subject, so.. yea.--Bolter21 (talk to me) 18:22, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

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Zionism: WP:30/500

You reverted my restoration of https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zionism&diff=719228779&oldid=719080114, on the grounds of WP:30/500.

I have been editing WP since 2004, when I first heard of it. My first edit under a proper logged-in name was 2005. Your revert is technically correct, in that (apparently) I have only 385 edits in my history, not the requisite 500. However I have made a large number of minor edits (punctuation, grammar, etc.) without logging in. I accept that these don't count, because they can't be verified.

HOWEVER: The passage you restored makes a nonsense of the section in which it was placed, since it has nothing whatsoever to do with the toipic that section is concerned with. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ikalmar was correct to delete it; reverting his (and my) deletion of that passage is an obvious case of officious, bureaucratic silliness.

If you are permitted to edit under WP:30/500, then I request that you improve the article by deleting or moving this content, which is clearly in the wrong part of the article, instead of just reverting the efforts of other well-meaning editors and then wandering off. MrDemeanour (talk) 12:17, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

@MrDemeanour: As an experienced editor you must be familiar with WP:BRD. In my opinion the bold edit by Ikalmar didn't improve the article, this is why I reverted it. I didn't set the 30/500 rule, and in fact while it was discussed I was against it. Even without this rule, unreverting a revert of a bold edit without discussion violates WP:BRD. If it wasn't for the 30/500 rule I'd suggest you to discuss it on the article's talk page, but you are forbidden from writing there too. However, if there are other editors with more than 500 edits that agree with your edit they surely will notice it in the history and discuss it on the talk page or reapply the edit soon.

Inside the section only the first sentence deals with the (relevant) poem, the rest is about antisemitism in Germany. Perhaps the title of the section can be changed, but at the moment I don't know to what. The mismatch title certainly doesn't justify removing a whole paragraph of relevant material.“WarKosign” 12:47, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

@WarKosign: Evidently I am not an experienced editor; I did not know what WP:BRD was. It seems it (a) is "optional" (it says so in the first sentence of the article); and (b) is strongly contra-indicated when the circumstances could be controversial.

But having noted that, I'm going to step back from this discussion, and will refrain from touching the Zionism article. As you suggest, perhaps someone else will notice my remarks. Take care. MrDemeanour (talk) 19:22, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

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@GreyShark: Thanks for the ping. As with the original discussion I don't have a strong opinion, but I will watch the discussion and respond if I see something woefully wrong. “WarKosign” 15:00, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

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Hi. I'm sorry I didn't see your question sooner. I promise not to close anything until you've had a chance to react.

User:Chesdovi made this change to the template, which effectively did three things:

• Changed the top title from "Jewish and Israeli" to "Jewish"
• Changed the title on the section of the "traditional" holidays to call them "Torah-based or rabbinically mandated" holidays
• Separated out "Holocaust memorials" from the rest of the State of Israel holidays, placed it on a separate line, and added the UK's Holocaust Memorial Day to the line.

I reverted the first point based on the longstanding agreement as to what collection of days was to be included on the template. (Discussions available on the talk page.) I also reverted the second—though it is technically accurate—as being an unnecessary detail in a nav template. I left the third in place for now, correcting the link to the UK memorial day. That's the "current" version.

I opened talk page discussions on all these points. The first two I grouped as § Titles and subtitles, and I think that bit is pretty straightforward.

The third point is in § Holocaust memorials. At first, I didn't write that bit as clearly as I should have; I have cleaned it up. If I may summarize: Chesdovi has long felt that a variety of Holocaust Memorial Days should be included on the template. Prior consensus (§ Inclusion of Holocaust Memorial Days) has been not to include them:

While Jews are often involved in observances on such days, the observances themselves are not specifically Jewish or Israeli, and aren't even limited to Jewish Holocaust victims. That may be (and is) entirely appropriate, but those are reasons that those observances don't really fit on this template.

So that's what the discussions are about. I've now proposed a conclusion over there. I'd welcome your input. StevenJ81 (talk) 21:49, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

Just to clarify: The bit about "months" was an edit of about four months ago from a user who felt that Heshvan had to be listed as Marheshvan (the "real" name), and that the month order had to start with Nisan (the first month in Torah texts). I only mentioned it in the current talk because it technically interrupted the stability of the template. However, because that user was a sock of a banned user, that interruption can be disregarded. That subject is not on the table now. StevenJ81 (talk) 21:49, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

@StevenJ81: Thanks for detailed explanation. Your revert seems reasonable, I don't have a strong opinion. Perhaps it would be best to paste it on the template's talk page, and have a formal RfC, to bring some more participation. “WarKosign” 06:31, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

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prior accounts

Did you have a named account prior to registering this one or use another one after registering this one? nableezy - 17:23, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

@Nableezy: No I did not, thanks for asking. How about you ? “WarKosign” 19:40, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

No. It just seems curious, your very first edit was to add popus to your monobook? A handful of edits after that, and then a five year absence. Its odd for that pattern to be the first named account of a person. Whatever, thanks for answering, Ill look at it more myself. nableezy - 21:05, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

@Nableezy: Indeed it looks curios. If you have any suspicion you are welcome to contact WP:SPI. It's not up to me to prove a negative, even though I tried once. I can try to satisfy your curiosity, however: I created this account so I could use a preview-on-hover script while reading wikipedia and then forgot about it when I re-installed my computer. Once Operation Protective Edge began I wanted to fix anti-Israel bias on some semi-protected page, so I dusted the old account off. “WarKosign” 09:52, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

ok, fair enough, thanks for explaining. nableezy - 15:40, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

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Help needed with Zeek article

Hi WarKosign I have been following your edits as of late as a token of excellence I would to ask for your assistance improving Zeek Wikipedia article. I will be honest and come forward that I have a stated COI with the company but I feel the information presented in the article is notable. Any input from you regarding this matter would be amazing. Thanks, Eddard 'Ned' Stark (talk) 20:38, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

@Eddard 'Ned' Stark: Hi Ned, what kind of help do you need with Zeek ? It would be best to start a discussion at Zeek's talk page to have more people involved. “WarKosign” 08:53, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

At the moment the article is scheduled for deletion. I seek help improving the article with better sourcing, copywriting and more notable information in general. Please have a look at the Zeek, if you believe the article passes Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline please state so in the article entry. Eddard 'Ned' Stark (talk) 18:00, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Does not help beginners users

So what are you silent? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gl dili (talk • contribs) 12:35, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

@Gl dili: I have no preference regarding Erdogan's facial expression. It could be others have the same reason for not responding. You can be bold, change the picture and see how people react. “WarKosign” 13:19, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

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Which edit is the POV edit?

Regarding this edit. I think that the Jewish exodus from Arab and Muslim countries is correct when it says that "The reasons for the exodus included push factors, such as persecution, antisemitism, political instability, poverty and expulsion, together with pull factors, such as the desire to fulfill Zionist yearnings or find a better economic status and a secure home in Europe or the Americas." The edit you undid was very neutral, not going into the reasons at all, while the version you reverted to is less neutral. Please consider this. Debresser (talk) 13:18, 29 September 2016 (UTC)