Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Discoveries

This WP:WSS subpage is for discoveries of stub templates not cleared by WikiProject Stub sorting which have been encountered on Wikipedia. Stubs that have been put on the official stub type list without discussion on this page or /Proposals should be listed here as well. If you discover such a stub type, please list it at the bottom of this page along with any relevant details. Do not enter it on the stub type list until it has been discussed here to determine whether it should be kept or proposed for deletion at stub types for deletion.

Newly discovered, December 2005

Television network stubs

• {{ABC-stub}} / Category:ABC stubs
• {{CBS-stub}} / Category:CBS stubs
• {{NBC-stub}} / Category:NBC stubs

All 3 are US television networks. All 3 were created today, and are unused. --Mairi 02:28, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

hopefully all should remain so - I don't think this is a particularly useful split at all. Grutness...wha? 02:33, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

And yet {{BBC-stub}} is? All three have origins going back to radio. The main problem with them is that only CBS is reasonably unambiguous. Caerwine 05:06, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Good point - I'd forgotten BBC stub (although I'm not sure that's too useful, either. Which ABC is it, BTW, the U.S. one or the Australian one? Grutness...wha? 08:33, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

All three are for the major American broadcast networks, so ABC = American Broadcast Company. I found out about the {{ABC-stub}} when it was tagged to one of the articles on my watchlist.

I shrunk down the graphic on the ABC-stub. I think that there should be some standard for the size of stub graphics because I keep seeing all sorts of sizes. I'd have to go back through the edit histories, but I also think that some stubs have had their graphics made slightly large recently. ^BlankVerse 12:57, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

• Currently at SFD. ~ Amalas rawr ^{=^_^=} 13:32, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Newly discovered, January 2006

{{CNN-stub}} / Category:Cable News Network stubs

Template:Sfdisc sfd Created today, used on 18 articles. It probably could be viable, but it has the same problem's that've been mentioned with previous stubs for specific networks. Template:Sfd bottom

• Currently at SFD. ~ Amalas rawr ^{=^_^=} 13:32, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

{{Exoplanet-stub}} / Category:Exoplanet stubs

Created today, used once. Might be useful, but if so the category probably ought to be renamed to match Category:Extrasolar planets. --Mairi 07:41, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

• Actually, I'm doubtful about whether it would be useful. Most of the articles in Category:Extrasolar planets are articles about the stars with a section about the extrasolar planet. That would seem to be a reasonable convention, especially for exoplanets where the Wiki only has a stub amount of information about the planet. A stub for planetary systems as a way of paring some articles from the overlarge {{star-stub}} might be useful. I'll leave a note on Astronomical objects wiki project talk page and see what they think. Caerwine Caerwhine 16:16, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

{{Christian-theology-stub}} / Category:Christian theology stubs

Created today, used on 53 articles. Worth keeping; perhaps {{theology-stub}} should be unredirected too? --Mairi 06:51, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

{{Casino-stub}}

Created yesterday without proposal. Used by 20 articles, but lacks a category, and I'm not certain how populated it could get. Perhaps redirect to {{hotel-corp-stub}}? GeeJo _{(t) (c)} • 20:21, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

My mistake, listed at Proposals under "Resort, Hotel, Casino". GeeJo _{(t) (c)} • 20:26, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Well yes, it was, but the proposal was met with the answer that this stub wasn't necessary since hotel-corp-stub already existed! Grutness...wha? 22:21, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Well, it was met with the question if the proposer, User:Texaswebscout (also the template's creator), had {{hotel-corp-stub}} in mind, which he apparently hadn't. It wasn't so much met with the answer that it wasn't necessary. Aecis ^{Mr. Mojo risin'} 22:57, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

I suppose so... I wish I'd realised I'd misread it that way at the time - I would have objected, or at least asked Texaswebscout to make sure they were double-stubbed with the specific location-struct-stub. Grutness...wha? 00:20, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Newly discovered, March 2006

{{mathbiostub}}

Template:Sfdisc sfd Redirect to {{mathematician-stub}} -- along with {{mathbio-stub}} and {{math-bio-stub}}. Can we perhaps sic a bot on these to eliminate some of these redirects, and then get rid of at least the first one, as badly named? Doubtless if we put it straight onto SFD with the current (huge) number of transclusions, there will be much yelping. Alai 22:15, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Well, {{math-bio-stub}} may be the most well-formed of the 3 redirects, but it also had <50 articles using it, so I just retagged them manually. The other two each have hundreds. -GTBacchus^(talk) 22:37, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

ISTR that mathbiostub was the original name, before we started making all the template names uniform. It could probably go with being removed, though, as could mathbio-stub. The others look fine. Grutness...wha? 23:28, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

No matter which one is used {{math-bio-stub}} or {{mathematician-stub}} - the first is probably better for simplicity's sake, there's no use keeping the redirects. They only confuse more than they help (IMO). Valentinian ^(talk) 23:29, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

• Currently at SFD. ~ Amalas rawr ^{=^_^=} 13:48, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Newly discovered, April 2006

{{African-music-stub}} / Category:African music stubs

Created today without a proposal. It doesn't have its own category and uses Category:Music stubs instead, which is not correct. Currently used in only 2 articles and appears to be part of WP:AFR. --Bruce1ee 09:47, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

If people wish to change the current system of how to arrange musical stubs, the correct way would have been to propose it first. It should be deleted. Valentinian ^{(talk) / (contribs)} 08:23, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

keep and populate Monni 10:29, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

• Currently at SFD for rename. ~ Amalas rawr ^{=^_^=} 17:54, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

{{Pirate-stub}} & {{Privateer-stub}} / No categories

Template:Sfdisc sfd Included in 19 and 14 articles respectively, without much hope of rapid expansion. Both were created today (14 April), have no associated WikiProject, and the templates just feed the articles into the main category spaces Category:Pirates and Category:Privateers rather than stub categories. If they stay, I'd suggest merging them with each other in some way, maybe a {{Navy-bio-stub}} to bring in other articles from Category:Military biographical stubs and its subsidiaries for some bulk. GeeJo _{(t) (c)} • 19:47, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Navy-bio-stub seems a little antithetical - although many pirates were naval characters, they're often thought of as being specifically non-navy. A merge of some sort would be better - possibly into pirate-bio-stub. I'd suggest buccaneer-stub, but both buccaneer and privateer seem to refer primarily to specific types of pirate, so pirate-bio-stub has the broadest catchment. Grutness...wha? 00:39, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Of course there'll have to be something to make explicit whether or not the template is for traditional Long John Silver-style pirates, or will include people guilty of Software piracy or Pirate radio broadcasts. GeeJo _{(t) (c)} • 01:09, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

mm. Good point. Any other possible name suggestions? Grutness...wha? 07:29, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Form a {{Sailor-stub}} and dual it with {{crime-bio-stub}}, I guess. GeeJo _{(t) (c)} • 03:49, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

• Bumping this. I found it again today. Cat for Privateer-stub is Category:Privateers Amalas =^_^= 18:20, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

{{Free software-stub}} / Free software stubs

Template:Sfdisc sfd Both created on 27th March 2006. Template not used on any articles. Category only contains one subcategory (Category:Linux stubs). The category might be worthwhile as a container for all the free software stub categories (Linux stubs, KDE stubs, GNOME stubss) but I'm not sure how useful the template would be. --TheParanoidOne 21:01, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Having thought about it a bit more, sorting by license type is completely unhelpful for stub sorting. --TheParanoidOne 05:10, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

not much id think - and none at all with a gap in the name. wouldnt it make more sense to split software by what it does than by whether its free? BL Lacertae - kiss the lizard 00:36, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. --TheParanoidOne 05:10, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

This one should have growth potential, but it is still only used on a mere three article. SFD? Valentinian ^(talk) 12:50, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

This could easily be populated from the corresponding permie, as I noted at /P, the question is whether it should be. I don't personally think it's an ideal axis, but given the size of the parent, I wouldn't rule it out entirely, either. Alai 19:44, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Lets see here, it starts a new axis for splitting the software stubs, and despite being populatable, no one cares enough to do so? Send it to SFD. At worst, we'll find someone who cares enough about the type to populate it. Caerwine Caerwhine 20:04, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

The no-one-cares argument is, as I say, misplaced, since it's an "unofficial" type (hence it being here), and proposing it produces objections (though not unusually, little in the way of concrete counter-proposals). If we're going to send such signals not to populate a type, we shouldn't then complain that it's not being populated. But in theory SFD could produce some clarity and/or activity, yes. Alai 20:11, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

{{microsoft-stub}} / Category:Microsoft stubs

Template:Sfdisc sfd Both created in March 2006. Used on <20 stubs, most of which are software stubs. I'm not sure whether splits by company (software or otherwise) is a good idea. --TheParanoidOne 14:25, 29 April 2006 (UTC) Template:Sfd bottom

Newly discovered, May 2006

{{arena-stub}} / Category:arena stubs

Template:Sfdisc sfd In parallel to the discussions on /P about the merits of some such stub, one's been created. Current scope is apparently ice hockey arenas, which is misleadingly narrow. Should be either renamed, or rescoped, I'd think. Alai 23:34, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

i thought the discussion decided that it wasnt a good idea to have a seperate arena-stub. id redirect to stadium-stub. BL Lacertae - kiss the lizard 01:06, 1 May 2006 (UTC) (unsigned nomination)

I was as well. Delete this redundant stub. Grutness...wha? 06:04, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Given the creator and the apparent intent, I doubt there's any relationship between the two, hence "in parallel". Alai 06:29, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Whichever it is, I still don't think it's particularly useful. Perhaps redirecting to stadium-stub until that discussion's reached some form of concluson would make sense? Grutness...wha? 07:06, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Delete this, please. If it's arenas in general, it's parallel and pretty pointless. If it's just ice hockey arenas, the category gets really difficult to use in the case of multi-use arenas. --fuzzy510 02:39, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Several paranormal stub type

Template:Sfdisc top There's a small menagerie of embryonic stub types at Wikipedia:Wikiproject Paranormal. I've suggested they might simply use one stub type, scoped for their whole project. Alai 03:58, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

there are eight listed there but two of them have been used for a long time - para-stub and myth-stub. theres also occult-stub which they havent listed. between the three of them they should cover just about everything. The monster-stub and cryptozoology-stub look identical to me and cross discussions about an animal-myth-stub at WP:WSS/P. BL Lacertae - kiss the lizard 05:59, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

I'd missed para-stub: rather defeats my suggestion of a new type, if there's already that one. I suggest we give them a little while to mull it over, and then start bashing stuff together. Alai 06:13, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

{{Zoroastrianism-stub}} Category:Zoroastrianism stubs

Template:Sfdisc sfd I can't recall seeing a proposal for this one. A bit oddly formed and only used on 12 articles. Viable? Valentinian ^(talk) 21:34, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

May be worth sorting through {{Asia-myth-stub}}, since that's where I dumped the Persian myths later used in Zoroastrianism during the {{myth-stub}} split. GeeJo ^(t)⁄_(c) • 11:44, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

{{NI-footyclub-stub}}/Category:Northern Irish football club stubs

Template:Sfdisc top AFAIK it wasn't proposed, undersized with 35 articles. Alai suggested upmerging to a new UK category, seems like a good idea to me. New cat would also be good home for Welsh clubs, and a new parent for the Scots and English stub cats. --Eivind^t@c 05:18, 12 May 2006 (UTC) Template:Sfd bottom

{{Belarus-politics-stub}} / Category:Belarusian politics stubs

Template:Sfdisc sfd Reporting this one really bugs me and most of you probably know my opinion regarding Belarus, but here goes; created today and used on 19 articles (mostly on political parties, which normally have been stubbed with {{Belarus-stub}} and {{euro-party-stub}}. Three problems with this one:

1. It is way below the size threshold.
2. The template uses "politics-" rather than "poli-"
3. The use of the pre-Lukashenko flag is associated with the opposition. Valentinian ^(talk) 09:35, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Regarding issue no. 3, I've swapped the image to a neutral map. Anyway, I'm not convinced this template will be viable. Valentinian ^(talk) 15:18, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

• Currently at SFD. ~ Amalas rawr ^{=^_^=} 14:00, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Newly discovered, June 2006

{{American-bio-stub}} (redirect)

I discovered this redirect to {{US-bio-stub}} whilst sorting through that category. Was used on 9 stubs, about half being Czech-Americans which makes some sense since {{Czech-bio-stub}} is an exception to our usual stub template naming rules of using country name rather than country adjective. Have either sent them all to a subtype or {{US-bio-stub}}. No strong opinion on whether to keep as a redirect. Caerwine Caerwhine 22:23, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

{{Quebec-City-Stub}}

The naming is a little rough, and the category is under-populated, though it could probably receive a few articles from Category:Quebec geography stubs, which is edging towards a split anyway. In my opinion, this one should be replaced by something cleaner. Mindmatrix 18:41, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Aside: this could be populated using entries found at: List of Quebec City boroughs. Mindmatrix 18:43, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

i suggest QuebecCity-stub. at the moment it looks like its for cities in quebec province. BL Lacertae - kiss the lizard 01:08, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

{{Belarus-history-stub}} / Category:Belarusian history stubs

We already knew we had {{Belarus-politics-stub}} / Category:Belarusian politics stubs but it seems that we have *two* oddly-named and underused templates relating to this county. The "history" one is used on a mere 15 articles and the "politics" one is used on 19. I hate to say it, but I doubt any of them will reach threshold. Both were created on 27 May. Valentinian ^(talk) 12:10, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

• Currently at SFD. ~ Amalas rawr ^{=^_^=} 14:00, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

{{AP-stub}} / (no associated stub category)

Template:Sfdisc sfd Associated non-stub categories are Category:Academic transfer and Category:Educational programs. Stub template created 1 June 2006 by User:^o^. Less than 50 articles are tagged with this template as of 11 June 2006. User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 03:10, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

What the @#$%^& have they got to do with AP? If kept (which I'm very doubtful or the worth of) it'll need a drastic rename. Grutness...wha? 06:55, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

(Watch your blood pressure, we can't afford to lose you). Ok, if we give this one the benefit of the doubt, perhaps only 95% of the World's population will think of the Associated Press first. Still, this means a drastic rename is in order iff the template is kept at all. I have to admit this material confuses me: some of the "articles" using it contain no text at all save a template. My first hunch would be to use {{edu-stub}} and just axe this one. On a more general note: I can see that this College Board (whatever it is) describes itself as not-for-profit (not non-profit), but this entire material looks a wee bit too much like an advertisement for my taste. Valentinian ^(talk) 10:17, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

:) I'm fine (and thanks for the compliment!). SFD would be fine with me, too, since this doesn't make much sense and, as we both pointed out one way or the other, it's not what people are most likely to think of when they think AP. (FWIW, I actually work for one of the other APs on the list at AP (disambiguation) - Allied Press, but to me, A.P. means my gf - they're her initials :). Grutness...wha? 11:48, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

I can hear somebody sharpening an axe. Valentinian ^(talk) 21:12, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

• FYI: College Board is both the company which administers the tests and the company which publishes test guide books for them. APs are a big deal for educators and the whole college-entrance industry. If kept, imho it should go under {{edu-stub}} per Grutness. Cheers, ♥ Her Pegship♥ 22:31, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

• Currently at SFD. ~ Amalas rawr ^{=^_^=} 19:00, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Wales geo-stub nightmare

someone has decided to split the 600 welsh geostubs into 23 county subcategories. do the math - how many do you think have reached 60? only three have reached fifty and some of them havent even reached ten. i only found out becuase one of them had been named wrong and was up for renaming at WP:CFD. someone else had better have words with whoever did this becuase im likely to be very rude to them. BL Lacertae - kiss the lizard 03:30, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

{{AP-stub}}

Template:Sfdisc sfd Horribly named, used on many articles, half of which were blank and have been redirected, half of the rest are blatant and obvious copyviolations. So much cleanup needed - I can't even begin... - CrazyRussian talk/email 16:11, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm sure this one's discussed further up the page. It's pretty horrible. And you didn't even mention the part about the template being transcluded onto those pages... Grutness...wha? 03:44, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

• Currently at SFD. ~ Amalas rawr ^{=^_^=} 19:01, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

{{OU-stub}} / Category:University of Oklahoma-related Stubs

Template:Sfdisc sfd Too small and badly named. The work of WikiProject Oklahoma. Anyway, the template should be renamed. OU also means - e.g. Odense University and there's probably also an Oregon Uni etc. somewhere. Valentinian ^(talk) 21:19, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

• Considering that I am of the minority opinion that USC is the University of South Carolina, university stubs that go by just the initials should be verbotten. Caerwine Caerwhine 22:10, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

  Nur ein 'T', bitte. Aber Sie haben ganz recht. (one T is enough, and I agree completely.)  :) Valentinian ^(talk) 22:20, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

• As a graduate of OU (that is, Otago University), I should perhaps point out that the world's most famous OU is almost certainly Oxford University. And I agree with Caerwine... what USC stub??? And let's not even mention the "-reated"... SFD, anyone? Grutness...wha? 01:13, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
• To SFD. We should be aiming to re-split these by (entire) state, if necessary (or if people insist), not by individual institution. Alai 01:57, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

I'll second an SFD. Valentinian ^(talk) 08:21, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

{{Collegefootball-stub}} + College football stubs

Template:Sfdisc sfd I created these about five minutes before realizing there was a process I should have followed for proposing them. They are in connection with a new college football wikiproject. I hope you will forgive my ignorance and accept this stub/cat. BigDT 03:49, 28 June 2006 (UTC) Template:Sfd bottom

July 2006

Category:Cryptozoology_stubs and Template:Cryptozoology-stub

Template:Sfdisc sfd 41 articles about weird mythological creatures. - CrazyRussian talk/email 01:08, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

dont we have something like {{legendary-creature-stub}} for them? BL Lacertae - kiss the lizard 06:02, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

{{Croatia-hist-stub}} and Category:Croatian history stubs

Template:Sfdisc sfd Created today, 8 articles so far. --Dijxtra 19:37, 3 July 2006 (UTC) Template:Sfd bottom

{{YCL-stub}} and Category:Communist youth movement stubs

Template:Sfdisc sfd Created 27 June. Used on 7 articles. Youth wings are normally stubbed the same way as their mother parties, so I don't see its use. Valentinian ^(talk) 00:35, 4 July 2006 (UTC) Template:Sfd bottom

Category:Electromagnetism stubs / {{electromagnetism-stub}}

Template:Sfdisc sfd This seems to have been miraculously added to the stub-type list in the last few hours. No idea whether it would be useful... perhaps a "wait and see"? Grutness...wha? 06:53, 13 July 2006 (UTC) Template:Sfd bottom

Category:Beauty pageant contestant stubs / {{pageant-bio-stub}}

Template:Sfdisc sfd Added to the stub type list today. I've pulled it from there until it's discussed... is there really any need for this one? Grutness...wha? 23:08, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

There are a fair number of these, which were mainly being given model-stub as the closest available one. IIRC, I've proposed such a stub before, but had it rejected mainly because of lack of a suitable name. The stubs are there, altho now that we've started doing splits of model-stub on a per country basis, this second axis might prove troublesome. Caerwine Caerwhine 07:44, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

{{Croatia-hist-stub}} / Category:Croatian history stubs and {{Serbia-hist-stub}} / Category:Serbian history stubs

Template:Sfdisc sfd These two were created within the last week or so, but they are very undersized. I doubt they'll be able to reach 60 anytime soon (unless I've missed a lot of articles on the Bosnian war). Valentinian ^(talk) 14:00, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

My error: The Croatian material is listed further up this page. Still massively undersized through. Valentinian ^(talk) 23:05, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

{{McDonalds-stub}} / Category:McDonald's stubs

Template:Sfdisc sfd Strangely enough 24 nuggets with this stub type, whien I would have thought it had 6, 9, or at most 20. Might be viable, but I doubt it, tho there are more than 60 articles in Category:McDonald's (not including Category:McDonald's High School All-Americans which I doubt would have articles for which this stub would be appropriate. Caerwine Caerwhine 20:51, 23 July 2006 (UTC) Template:Sfd bottom

August 2006

{{Carnatic music-stub}} / Category:Carnatic music stubs

Template:Sfdisc sfd Indian classical music stub template and category created 5 August without a proposal. Currently has 16 stub articles. --Bruce1ee 10:05, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

...and a lousy name! at the very least it needs a hiphen. BL Lacertae - kiss the lizard 11:55, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Or maybe even an hyphen! This should probably go to SFD, if for nothing else other than a rename. ~ Amalas rawr ^{=^_^=} 13:47, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

delete too small, missing hyphen. Monni 20:42, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Category:Current British MP stubs / {{UK-current-MP-stub}}

Only one article in cat at time of writing. From my experience most current MPs have a half-decent article, certainly not stubs, and Stub Sense only finds 42 stubs. The real number is likely to be lower than that, due to double-stubbing. --Mais oui! 19:23, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

This looks like a pretty bad idea. Such categories will be nothing but trouble to maintain. Valentinian ^(talk) 23:00, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Taking it to SFD. Valentinian ^(talk) 18:10, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

{{NI-footyclub-stub}} / Category:Northern Irish football club stubs

Template:Sfdisc top 37 articles right now, but that's about the only thing that this one has going against it. It's well-named, and despite the size, I'm not so sure that it's worth deleting. --fuzzy510 19:56, 13 August 2006 (UTC) Template:Sfd bottom

{{Russian-university-stub}} / Category:Russian university stubs

Template:Sfdisc top 14 entrants. Poorly named template - should be Russia-university-stub. - CrazyRussian talk/email 15:22, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

• delete, upmerge, only 67 articles in non-stub category. Monni 15:32, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
• rename. Should be Russia-university-stub. Russia has lots of universities that do not yet have articles, so this stub would be useful if someone wante to create a stub for each of them. --TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 00:35, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
• "rename" "keep". I would find this stub helpful, as the official wording may not be generally known. --DGG 23:27, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
• Upmerge and rename. Should follow the standard name guidelines like all similar templates. Valentinian ^{(talk) / (contribs)} 07:29, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Buffyverse

Here comes Template:Whedon-stub (not in stub types), its redirect Template:Buffyverse-stub (yes in stub types, though should have been SfD'd, I think), and its cat, Category:Buffyverse stubs. - CrazyRussian talk/email 10:45, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

• Hmmm... I've used the Buffyverse-stub on a ton (well it seemed like a ton) of articles, but it's not really on that many. There is a Buffyverse WikiProject that has the buffyverse-stub on their template list. There were some random things in the SFD archive (Whedonverse stubs). *shrug* ~ Amalas rawr ^{=^_^=} 15:38, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

I would have guessed {{Buffy-stub}} as the name for this. Including 88 articles in Category:Angel episode stubs it's well over threshold. Kappa 14:10, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Whoa! If you check the archive you'll find that this is an old and long-established stub type. It was deliberately named Buffyverse rather than simply Buffy, since the latter would imply that it was only for "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" and not for "Angel" or any other spin-offs. It was in fact, IIRC, merged from two stubs called whedon-stub and buffy-stub, which had been separately created for just this reason (one for BTVS and one for all of the other related projects). It was about March last year, IIRC, and - if you look at the history, you'll see that it was long-time stubsorter Ceyockey who did the work. It should be at Buffyverse-stub not at Whedon-stub, though - why the redirect was reversed is a mystery (it was certainly never proposed, and I'm reverting it). Grutness...wha? 00:34, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

This and this are the relevant discussions. Grutness...wha? 00:40, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Category:Lithuania music stubs / {{Lithuania-music-stub}}

Template:Sfdisc sfd Created 13 August without a proposal. The cat probably should be Category:Lithuanian music stubs. It currently only has 9 articles. --Bruce1ee 08:30, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

• speedy rename Monni 10:45, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

• Strong delete. This one is not only way too small, but it completely breaks through the category system. {{Music-stub}} has no country-specific children at all, these articles are sorted by genre. Brucelee, I believe you were thinking about the templates for musical bands. In that case, it should have been {{Lithuania-band-stub}} and Category:Lithuanian musical group stubs, but this template was used on less than 10 articles, two of them were clearly not stubs, I'll say three more probably aren't either, and this template is used on articles not only articles on bands but also on composers. On the positive side, I like the image of Čiurlionis, but it is little comfort, and I find it somewhat confusing seing it on articles about rock music. Valentinian ^{(talk) / (contribs)} 13:08, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
  • We do have {{china-music-stub}} so your point is kinda on thin ice... Monni 15:24, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
    • Remember that {{china-music-stub}} was never proposed and discussed. But I think {{Lithuania-music-stub}} should be deleted as it is hopelessly under populated. Valentinian, I was alerted to this one because its parent stub cat is Category:Musical group stubs, which is not correct as it also contains musicians and composers. --Bruce1ee 08:07, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
      • It was discussed about but not proposed. If no-one objects, it means there is a certain consensus. Consensus is one of the main pillars in Wikipedia. Also fixing (or reparenting) is better choice than deleting. Not to mention this and {{china-music-stub}} could be precedents for combining bands and musicians when there isn't enough to justify two stubs for them. From another point of view, this style of category is parent category for bands and musicians. Monni 13:44, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
• I would not mind it being deleted. Renata 13:35, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
• Sounds like we have enough of an assortment of views here that SFR/SFD would be appropriate. Even the rename could be quibbled with, as the permcat use a mixture of "Music of Noun" and "Adjectival music", and some would insist that the latter not be in the form "Adjective music stubs". But mainly, not much point in renaming if it's to be deleted. Alai 16:48, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

{{Prowrestling-bio-stub}} / Category:Professional wrestling people stubs

Template:Sfdisc sfd I'm sure this is viable, and fairly sensibly scoped, but never proposed as far as I'm aware, not in the "urgent" category, and appearing "out of the blue" on WP:WSS/T, which gives every appearance of taking WSS for granted to new heights (though doubtless not intended as such). Alai 19:35, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

• I just came here for this exact same stub type. The parent isn't oversized, but it's certainly not tiny, either. I'd say that the category should potentially be renamed to biography stubs instead of people stubs, but otherwise I think we should keep it. Even if we delete it to not have WSS taken for granted, we'll probably end up creating fairly soon down the line.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Fuzzy510 (talk • contribs)
• I had often wondered why there was a {{wrestling-bio-stub}}, but no {{wrestling-stub}} and a {{prowrestling-stub}}, but no {{prowrestling-bio-stub}}. I recommend we keep it and rename the cat to whatever biography/biographical/people naming convention is currently used. ~ Amalas rawr ^{=^_^=} 16:15, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Mag-stub split

OK, this isn't actually a "discovery", on grounds too multiple to mention, but could someone take a look at the recent splits from {{mag-stub}}, and tell me if they make sense after the fact? I've had more comments on my bot's page about these than about anything else, and I'm beginning to wonder if the whole scheme wasn't deeply misguided, and rendered meaningless by following excessively broad and vaguely-defined perm-cats. (I do have to keep reminding myself that according to several-deep category membership, Las Vegas is in California, and what's more, New Orleans roads are in Wisconsin.) Has anyone been tackling these "by hand", and if so, could they comment on where to go from here with these? If it comes to deleting them all and starting again, then so be it. Alai 23:36, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Newly discovered, September 2006

{{Collegefootball-stub}} / no category

Template:Sfdisc sfd Feeds into Category:American football stubs. Used on more than 100 articles, but that's incredibly skewed. There are articles tagged with the one tag as well as another American football tag. Besides, the parent category is in no need of any sort of sorting. Unless someone can think of something really big that I'm forgetting, I'm thinking I should be taking this one to SfD. --fuzzy510 23:42, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

• Hmmm... It may be a result of this discussion, but I'm not sure. ~ Amalas rawr ^{=^_^=} 02:10, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
  • I don't think it was, there doesn't seem to be any sort of mention of a generic college football stub. If anything, this only strengthens the argument for deletion I think, since there was stong opposition to a generic college football biography stub type. --fuzzy510 16:53, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Category:Belfast stubs and Category:Belfast geography stubs

Template:Sfdisc sfd 13 stubs between them, evidently per the tradition of "we're a wikiproject, why would we ever need to propose a stub type or follow the size guidelines?", Alai 06:27, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

if the NI geography stubs were to be split, it wouldn't be this way - it would be into the six counties, as with the other constituent parts of both the UK and the RoI. Which is another way of saying that this should be SFD'd, and preferably ASAP. Grutness...wha? 07:35, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Actually the constituent parts would be the Category:Districts of Northern Ireland, of which Belfast is one. There's a couple of schemes for possible "lumping", but I don't think any correspond to the counties-as-was. Alai 07:57, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Category:Mixed Martial Arts stubs and {{MMA-stub}}

On first inspection, seems well-formed. Populated with 38 stubs, and there is an associated WikiProject, for what it's worth. -GTBacchus^(talk) 07:03, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Awful template name, though - MMA fails the disambig test. Grutness...wha? 07:15, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Regarding its low population - Category:Martial arts stubs has got over 800 articles in it, and I'll bet quite a few of them are about mixed martial arts. Perhaps a rename to {{Mixed-martial-arts-stub}}, and some populating from the parent category, will sort this one out? -GTBacchus^(talk) 19:35, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

600-odd, by my count, though a stitch in time... Population's not an issue for me, given the wikiproject, and I'm not that bothered about the template name -- though I might be biased, having not heard of any of the various other MMAs. (Some items on that list look a little speculative, especially when the associated article doesn't even mention "MMA" as an abbreviation.) Alai 09:47, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

• I'm taking this one to sfr. Cheers, Pegship 14:37, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Category:Berbers stubs and Category:Berber stubs

Template:Sfdisc sfd I just found both of these, neither of which seems to have been proposed, and which seem a little malformed at best. Can someone SFD them or redirect {{Berbers-stub}} to the other one? Aelfthrytha 15:22, 13 September 2006 (UTC) Template:Sfd bottom

{{Iceland-airline-stub}}

Template:Sfdisc sfd No cat, currently used on 3 articles. It now feeds into Category:Iceland stubs and Category:European airline stubs.--Carabinieri^T_T^a_a^l_l^k_k 13:35, 14 September 2006 (UTC) Template:Sfd bottom

Ossetia

• {{Ossetia-stub}}
• {{Ossetia-geo-stub}}
• {{Ossetia-bio-stub}}
• {{Ossetia-politician-stub}}

SFD? Conscious 06:58, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

They seems to have been created by a one man WikiProject (and the participant is actually a member here. Unfortunately, he didn't propose the templates first.) Everything looks very undersized at the moment. My hunch would say that the last two should go to SFD. Possibly the last three. The Alai solution is of course also a possibility, but in the case of the -politician I wouldn't know what to upmerge it to. Georgia has no template of its own, neither does the Caucasus. I've been hoping that the Caucasus nations would simply get its own national templates rather than going over a {{Caucasus-politician-stub}}. But I'm open to suggestions. Valentinian ^{(talk) / (contribs)} 07:28, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

The North Ossetia is a part of Russia, the South Ossetia is (at least de jure) a part of Georgia. So the geo-, bio-, and politician- templates are hardly acceptable. Conscious 07:48, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. Not a good idea to have this split for geo- bio- or politician-, since it crosses accepted national boundaries. Grutness...wha? 23:18, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

{{Internet-term-stub}}/no category, and masses of redirects

Template:Sfdisc sfd This has been newly created without any discussion - and since internet-stub has fewer than 200 articles, it's hardly a necessary split. The category's a redlink, too. The same person who made this has been making a raft of poorly named redirects - have a look at the load here, which include such nonsense as redirecting "British-X" to "England-X". Looks like a mass SFD may be in order! Grutness...wha? 23:21, 21 September 2006 (UTC) Template:Sfd bottom

{{Chicano-stub}} / Category:Mexican-American stubs

Template:Sfdisc sfd Used on one article. There's a wikiproject, and obviously many more "candidates", but stub-sorting by ethnicity seems a less than keen idea. (Wasn't some variant on this already deleted?) Alai 10:48, 22 September 2006 (UTC) Template:Sfd bottom

Newly discovered, October 2006

{{Berbers-stub}} / Category:Berbers stubs - {{Berber-stub}} / no category

Template:Sfdisc sfd Just found these two, created 27 August and 6 September respectively, lists 19 and 4. I don't recall these being approved and they duplicate each other.--Thomas.macmillan 21:08, 1 October 2006 (UTC) Template:Sfd bottom

{{Argentina-jewish-institution-stub}} / Category:Argentine jewish institutions stub

Template:Sfdisc sfd Uhhhhhh...I don't think so. Aelfthrytha 11:53, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

• Definite delete--Thomas.macmillan 00:27, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
• Shalom to this one. Valentinian ^{(talk) / (contribs)} 01:41, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

{{Macau-geo-stub}}

Template:Sfdisc list Let's see if anyone can work out who created this one... There have never been more than 15 Macau geo-stubs in all the time I've been counting geo-stubs, so this is both seriously undersized and likely to remain so for a considerable time. Alai has tidied ity a bit, and it is upmerged into the PRC geo-stub and Macau-stub categories (the latter of which is itself undersized). If anyone wants to argue this one, feel free - I'm still exhausted after previous attempts at instilling Instantnood with some normal stubbing guideline ideas a year ago. Grutness...wha? 23:57, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

• I see no (further) problem with it as long as it doesn't start getting de-upmerged, wandering spelling or categories... Alai 21:12, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Category:Ancient Roman building stubs

Not proposed that I recall, distinctly undersized. Alai 21:09, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

It was proposed and was roundly rejected, IIRC. Buildings are categorised by current location, and this cuts across that. There is nothing wrong with double-stubbing with currentcountry-struct-stub and Ancient-Rome-stub. Grutness...wha? 23:17, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

On that basis, I've double-upmerged the template. Alai 23:41, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

And was "minor edit, no edit summary" reverted for my trouble. To which add, many more such. Perhaps a case for SFD sooner rather than later. Alai 23:25, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

How can it be double upmerged anyway? Not all ancient Roman buildings are in Rome, or even in Italy. BTW, I note that the template is -arch- stub, which is incorrect. if kept as a type it should be changed to -struct- stub, since it's not for architectural features, but is for buildings (well, buildings and structures), which is yet another problem with it. The whole thing's a bit of a mess. SFD sooner is a very good idea. Grutness...wha? 23:30, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

To Category:Ancient Rome stubs and Category:European building and structure stubs, on the basis of the rogue cat's supercategories. Mind you, they're not even all in Europe, either. Alai 23:48, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

The problem's a hell of a lot worse than we thought - Category:Ancient Rome stubs has ten subcategories! Not sure how many of them were proposed, but I'd doubt it would be more than two or three I've taken three to SFD that I know go strongly against stub convention (including this one), but this looks very messy. Grutness...wha? 00:06, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Hence the above contribs link. Alai 00:40, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

I think I've caught the lot... Grutness...wha? 00:46, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

buildings and structures types

• Category:Irish building and structure stubs
• Category:Spanish building and structure stubs

The first of these I was about to propose myself, on foot of Ireland-stub being oversized: seems likely to be viable. The other I have no idea about, rather small ATM. Alai 03:41, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Category:MyNetworkTV stubs

Template:Sfdisc sfd Not proposed that I recall, five stubs, renamed by CFD (tsk-tsk), hence the mysterious-looking history. Alai 04:22, 16 October 2006 (UTC) Template:Sfd bottom

Template:Australian-Greens-politician-stub and Category:Australian Greens politician stubs

Template:Sfdisc sfd Since Oct 12. Fourteen entrants. - CrazyRussian talk/email 11:23, 16 October 2006 (UTC) Template:Sfd bottom

{{Pittsburgh-stub}}/Category:Pittsburgh stubs

Template:Sfdisc list Don't remember this one being proposed... 32 stubs in two months. Well-formed, and there is a Wikiproject. Probably a keeper. Grutness...wha? 23:25, 16 October 2006 (UTC) Template:Sfd bottom

{{Sahaja-stub}}

Template:Sfdisc sfd Created October 11, 2006. There has been a recent campaign to introduce multiple vanity articles on Wikipedia which are related to this religion (some call it a cult) of Sahaja Yoga, and this stub appears to be part of that. I recommend deletion. See also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sahaja Yoga International. --NovaSTL 10:23, 17 October 2006 (UTC) Template:Sfd bottom

Organized metro-related

I've pulled these from various parts of the page, so that they can be organized into one section. ~ Amalas rawr ^{=^_^=} 19:09, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

{{Singapore-LRT-stub}} / Category:Singapore LRT stubs

For another transit system. Created today, used on 46 articles, even tagged with {{WPSS-cat}}. --Mairi

{{Nuremberg U-Bahn stub}} / Category:Nuremberg U-Bahn stubs

Also found today, created March 31. Currently used on 45 articles. Slambo (Speak) 21:03, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

desparately needs renaming tho. BL Lacertae - kiss the lizard 01:51, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

{{FSU-metro-stub}} / Category:FSU Metro stubs

Template:Sfdisc sfd This one has existed for almost half a year without anyone noticing. It is used on a mere 25 articles and - in case you haven't guessed it already - FSU means "Former Soviet Union". My first count said that three of these articles relate to the metro in Minsk (Belarus) and the rest to the metro in Moscow. I think this one was a bad idea. Valentinian ^{(talk) / (contribs)} 07:11, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Ack. Badly named, badly scoped (we don't split on the former Soviet Union), badly ordered (we'd split Euro- first), and badly prioritized (the parent is not oversized, at less than 500 articles). Off to SFD with it. --CComMack (t&#149;c) 10:58, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

{{Paris metro stub}} / Category:Paris metro stubs

Discovered this one today while going through with some assessments. The template was created 16:05, April 19, 2006 by Montrealais (talk · contribs), and the category was created 05:45, April 21, 2006 by FiP (talk · contribs). There are currenty 233 articles in this category, so I can agree with the need for it. But, the template doesn't quite follow the naming conventions, and the category isn't integrated under Category:Rail stubs yet (although this point is trivial to fix). Slambo (Speak) 20:46, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

I have attached the template to Rail stubs and cleaned up the code for both category and template (yes, I know the image is probably too big, but I just don't have the heart to shrink it). The template should be renamed, but seeing the names for the templates for London, Berlin and Nuremberg, it looks like we have a little more cleaning to do. We currently have these names:

• • {{Paris metro stub}} / Category:Paris metro stubs
  • {{Berlin-U-Bahn-stub}} / Category:Berlin U-Bahn stubs
  • {{Nuremberg U-Bahn stub}} / Category:Nuremberg U-Bahn stubs
  • {{NYCS-stub}} / Category:New York City Subway stubs
  • {{Washington-Metro-stub}} / Category:Washington Metro stubs

so it looks like we need to rename the templates for both Nuremberg and Paris. It is a bit odd that the Paris category doesn't use a capitalized "M" but neither does the parent category. Valentinian ^{(talk) / (contribs)} 21:51, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

The Nuremberg one is listed above on this page, but I didn't tag it cause I wasn't sure what to do with it. ~ Amalas rawr ^{=^_^=} 16:22, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Another to add to the list... {{Prague metro stub}} / Category:Prague metro stubs, currently holds 55 stubs. Slambo (Speak) 17:42, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

{{Munich-U-Bahn-stub}} / feeds into Category:Transport in Munich

Created by User:Agathoclea today; used on five articles. {{Berlin-U-Bahn-stub}} also exists.--Carabinieri^T_T^a_a^l_l^k_k 21:38, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

see also the comments under {{Paris metro stub}} above. Grutness...wha? 03:43, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

I wass not aware of this process when creating the stub yesterday. Munich U-Bahn has enaugh stations to warrant the number and enaugh pictures on commons to make a few nice articles. It would be quite simple for me to put the stubs up. I noticed that the category might need to change to match the other stubs. Agathoclea 05:48, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

In that case, it's probably best that this is left intact until we know how many articles that is and assess it again later. If there are a reasonable number of stubs (50 or so), then this will be worth keeping, but if there are still only a handful in a month or so, don't be surprised if this gets taken to Wikipedia:Stub types for deletion. Grutness...wha? 22:47, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

ok, will get those together easy. Just the matter of the category, would it make life easier for everybody, if for the moment the template would feed into the europan-rail stub category? Agathoclea 22:54, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Good point - yes, that would be a good option. In fact, it's standard practice with stub templates that are not yet at the size for stand-alone stub categories that they direct into a parent stub category until such time as they are well-populated. If there are 50 or so stubs with the template, there should be no problem with a separate stub category then. Grutness...wha? 23:03, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll do that and then that's for today. Agathoclea 23:13, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Actually it better fits in Category:Rapid transit stubs. Agathoclea 09:05, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Why not upmerge to a (German, though that's rather implied) U-Bahn/S-Bahn cat? We seem to have a number of these types, most of them undersized. The Berlins are fine as they are, and would become a subcat. Alai 21:08, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Sounds like a good idea. I'd add German(y) to the name - I'm not sure whether they use the same term in German speaking countries like Austria, but it's probably better to be on the safe side. Grutness...wha? 00:28, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Still working on it. The list of stations is at User:Agathoclea/UBahn. Which category did you have in mind? Agathoclea 11:29, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Exceeded 50 and much more to go. Agathoclea 12:35, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

{{Berbers-stub}}/Category:Berbers stubs

anyone know anything about this one? Only 18 stubs, despite being created two months ago, and a curious mix of ethno-group stubs, hist-stubs and geo-stubs. Template and category have unnecessary plural names, too. Looks like potential SFD material... Grutness...wha? 23:52, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Ooops - just noticed it (with the same suggestiuon of SFD) further up the page. Okay, SFD it is... Grutness...wha? 00:33, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

{{HongKong-struct-stub}}

Template:Sfdisc list Guess who? 50 stubs and well formed, though, so probably a keeper. Grutness...wha? 23:40, 21 October 2006 (UTC) Template:Sfd bottom

Various geo-stub templates

Since I've been proposing the introduction of upmerged geo-stub templates for everywhere with 40 or more stubs, the afore-hinted-at I*st*ntn**d decided to go one stage further, and has created simiular upmerged templates for several other places:

• {{Macau-geo-stub}}
• {{Brunei-geo-stub}}
• {{Qatar-geo-stub}}
• {{Gibraltar-geo-stub}}
• {{Andorra-geo-stub}}
• {{Nauru-geo-stub}}

All keepers, I suppose, but they stuff up all the counts I've been doing, and all of them need to be tidied to the same standard as the others. Sigh. Grutness...wha? 23:40, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

{{Rwanda-bio-stub}}

Created today without debate, along with its appropriate category (which has no parents, stub or otherwise). Otherwise well-formed, but completely empty, and the chances of it getting to threshold are low, to say the least (there are only 80 non-geo stubs for Rwanda in total, and fewer than half of those are bio-stubs). An upmerging of the template and deletion of the category may be a reasonable option. Grutness...wha? 03:38, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

I have gone through the rwanda-stub and much of the category:rwanadan people and stub sorted it up to 52. I think its worth keeping. Rwanda, like most African countries, is poorly sorted. With enough love and attention, I think both stubs are worth keeping.--Thomas.macmillan 05:24, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Huge load of planet stub types

Have a look at the stub-type list, and you will see a huge load of new unproposed stub types relating to the planets of the Solar System, some ready-created, some obviously planned for creation:

• Planet stubs {{Planet-stub}} - ? on October 24
• Terrestrial planet stubs {{Terrestrialplanet-stub}} - ? on October 24
  • Mercury stubs {{Mercury-stub}} - ? on October 24
  • Venus stubs {{Venus-stub}} - ? on October 24
  • Craters on Mars stubs {{MarsCrater-stub}} - ? on October 24
• Giant planet stubs {{Giantplanet-stub}} - ? on October 24
  • Jupiter stubs {{Jupiter-stub}} - ? on October 24
  • Saturn stubs {{Saturn-stub}} - ? on October 24
  • Uranus stubs {{Uranus-stub}} - ? on October 24
  • Neptune stubs {{Neptune-stub}} - ? on October 24
• Dwarf planet stubs {{Dwarfplanet-stub}} - ? on October 24

One or two of these might reach a reasonable threshold level, but the chances of them all doing so are nil. Given that there are fewer than 100 Mars stubs, for instance, there is absolutely no need for a (badly named) {{MarsCrater-stub}} and "Craters on Mars stubs" (which should probably be {{Mars-crater-stub}} and "Martian crater stubs"). Neither is there need for separate planet, terrestrial planet and giant planet stubs, especially if the plan behind these new creations is for a separate stub type for each planet. Most of these should go to sfd, though a simplified scheme with two or three of these categories might be a goer. Grutness...wha? 21:41, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Update: Quite a few categories have been created already: Category:Planet stubs, Category:Dwarf planet stubs, Category:Giant planet stubs, Category:Terrestrial planet stubs, Category:Jupiter stubs, Category:Belgian sports stubs, IIRC. Grutness...wha? 03:19, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

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