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Categories may be listed for speedy renaming or speedy merging if they meet one or more of the criteria specified below. They must be tagged with {{subst:cfr-speedy|New name}} so that users of the categories are aware of the proposal. A request may be processed 48 hours after it was listed if there are no objections. This delay allows other editors to review the request to ensure that it meets the criteria for speedy renaming or merging, and to raise objections to the proposed change.

Categories that qualify for speedy deletion (per Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion, e.g. "patent nonsense", "recreation") can be tagged with the regular speedy tags, such as {{db|reason}}, and no delay is required to process these. Empty categories can be deleted if they remain empty 7 days after tagging with {{db-empty}}. Renaming under C2E can also be processed instantly as it is a variation on G7.

Contested speedy requests become stale, and can be un-tagged and de-listed, after 7 days of inactivity. Optionally, if the discussion may be useful for future reference, it may be copied to the category talk page, with a section heading and {{moved discussion from|[[WP:CFDS]]|2=~~~~}}. If the nominator wants to continue the process, they need to submit the request as a regular CfD in accordance with the instructions there.

Speedy criteria

The category-specific criteria for speedy renaming, or merging are strictly limited to:

C2A: Typographic and spelling fixes

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Correction of spelling errors and capitalization fixes. Differences between British and American spelling (e.g. Harbours → Harbors) are not considered errors; however if the convention of the relevant category tree is to use one form over the other then a rename may be appropriate under C2C. If both spellings exist as otherwise-identical category names, they should be merged.
Appropriate conversion of hyphens into en dashes or vice versa (e.g. Category:Canada-Russia relations → Category:Canada–Russia relations).

C2B: Enforcing established Wikipedia naming conventions and practices

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Expanding abbreviated country names (e.g. U.S. → United States).
Disambiguation fixes from an unqualified name (e.g. Category:Washington → Category:Washington (state) or Category:Washington, D.C.).

C2C: Bringing a category into line with established naming conventions for that category tree, or into line with the various "x by y", "x of y", or "x in y" categorization conventions specified at Wikipedia:Category names

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This should be used only where there is no room for doubt that the category in question is being used for the standard purpose instead of being a potential subcategory.
This criterion should be applied only when there is no ambiguity or doubt over the existence of a category naming convention. Such a convention must be well defined and must be overwhelmingly used within the tree. If this is not the case then the category in question must be brought forward to a full Cfd nomination.
This criterion will not apply in cases where the category tree observes distinctions in local usage (e.g. Category:Transportation in the United States and Category:Transport in the United Kingdom).

C2D: Facilitating concordance between a particular category's name and a related page's name

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Renaming a topic category to match its eponymous page (e.g. Category:The Beatles and The Beatles).
This applies only if the related page's current name (and by extension, the proposed name for the category) is unambiguous, and uncontroversial – either because of longstanding stability at that particular name or because the page was just moved after a page move discussion resulted in explicit consensus to rename. If the page names are controversial or ambiguous in any way, then this criterion does not apply.
This criterion also does not apply if there is any ongoing discussion about the name of the page or category, or if there has been a recent discussion concerning any of the pages that resulted in a no consensus result.

C2E: Author request

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This criterion applies only if the author of a category requests or agrees to renaming within six months of creating the category.
The criterion does not apply if other editors have populated or changed the category since it was created. "Other editors" includes bots that populated the category, but excludes an editor working with the author on the renaming.

Admin instructions for handling listed entries

When handling the listings:

Make sure that the listing meets one of the above criteria.
With the exception of C2E, make sure that it was both listed and tagged at least 48 hours previously.
Make sure that there are no oppositions to the listing; if there is a discussion, check if the opposing user(s) ended up withdrawing the opposition(s).

If the listing meets these criteria, simply have the category renamed - follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Administrator instructions, in the section "If the decision is Delete, Merge, or Rename"; to list it for the bots, use the Speedy moves section.

Applying C2 in full CfD discussions

A nomination to merge or rename, brought forward as a full CfD, may be speedily closed if the closing administrator is satisfied that:
- The nomination clearly falls within the scope of one of the criteria listed here, and
- No objections have been made within 48 hours of the initial nomination.

If both these conditions are satisfied, the closure will be regarded as having been as a result of a speedy nomination. If any objections have been raised then the CfD nomination will remain in place for the usual 7-day discussion period, to be decided in accordance with expressed consensus.

Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here

If the category and desired change do not match one of the criteria mentioned in C2, do not list it here. Instead, list it in the main CFD section.

If you are in any doubt as to whether it qualifies, do not list it here.

Use the following format on a new line at the beginning of the list:

* [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~

This will sign and datestamp an entry automatically.

Remember to tag the category with: {{subst:Cfr-speedy|New name}}

A request may be completed if it is more than 48 hours old; that is, if the time stamp shown is earlier than 22:32, 14 May 2024 (UTC). Currently, there are 121 open requests (refresh).

Current nominations

Category:European Sailing Championships to Category:European championships in sailing – C2C Category:World championships in sailing Smartskaft (talk) 10:43, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Sailing Scow Classes to Category:Scows – C2D Scow Smartskaft (talk) 10:38, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Category:European sailing competitions to Category:Sailing competitions in Europe – C2C Category:Sports competitions by continent Smartskaft (talk) 10:38, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Cadet (Dinghy) to Category:Cadet (dinghy) – C2A Smartskaft (talk) 10:38, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Category:RS:X (sailboard) to Category:RS:X – C2D RS:X Smartskaft (talk) 10:38, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Russo-Turkish War (1877–78) to Category:Russo-Turkish War (1877–1878) – C2D per Russo-Turkish War (1877–1878), stable at this name since Jan 2017 [1] (except when I moved it in error last month, then reverted myself). – Fayenatic London 22:13, 12 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Redirects from Min-nan-language terms to Category:Redirects from Southern Min-language terms – C2D: Southern Min and Eastern Min. {{ISO 639 name nan}} and {{ISO 639 name cdo}} were both edited last year to reflect the name changes of the articles, meaning that {{R from other language}} is expecting the categories to be at the latter titles already. After the move, that template should auto-populate the categories with redirects tagged |1=nan (e.g. Bân-lâm-gú and Koa-á-hì) and |1=cdo (e.g. Mìng-dĕ̤ng-ngṳ̄) respectively. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 17:14, 12 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Redirects from Min-dong-language terms to Category:Redirects from Eastern Min-language terms

Category:Information storage to Category:Data storage – C2D: Information storage redirects to Data storage. ghouston (talk) 09:24, 12 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Distribution (business) to Category:Distribution (marketing) – C2D: Distribution (business) has been renamed to Distribution (marketing), see requested move. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:17, 11 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
This looks OK but should probably be completed by removing the sub-cat Category:Warehouses, and disambiguating the old name between the new name and Category:Logistics. – Fayenatic London 21:45, 11 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Agree. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:38, 11 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Fantasy lists to Category:Fantasy-related lists – C2C: per convention of Category:Lists. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:41, 11 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Category:2009 Pioneer Football League football season to Category:2009 Pioneer Football League season – C2A, C2C Jweiss11 (talk) 17:54, 11 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- @Jweiss11: WP:C2C does seem to apply, but what part of WP:C2A covers removal of a whole word? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 06:53, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The redundant "football" is essentially a typo. Jweiss11 (talk) 07:33, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Transport and distribution companies to Category:Freight transport companies – C2C: Category:Freight transport. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:56, 11 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Conservative organisations in the United States to Category:Conservative organizations in the United States – C2C (TIES). 209.6.209.51 (talk) 04:45, 7 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The category was not tagged until now. -- Black Falcon ^(talk) 05:15, 11 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Transdev Group companies to Category:Transdev - C2D. ACendex (talk) 01:18, 11 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
This is technically not suited for speedy since it would convert a set category into a topic category; however, the proposed change makes sense, so I have no objections. -- Black Falcon ^(talk) 05:22, 11 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose as speedy. Transdev (historic) makes this look to me a little less clearcut than I first thought. Maybe Category:Transdev is the best option, maybe not. I'm not sure what the best solution is, so I think it needs a full discussion to consider options. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:31, 12 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Opposed nominations

Category:Amherst Lord Jeffs to Category:Amherst Mammoths – C2C, C2D Jweiss11 (talk) 03:48, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Amherst Lord Jeffs athletes to Category:Amherst Mammoths athletes – C2C, C2D Jweiss11 (talk) 03:48, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Amherst Lord Jeffs athletic directors to Category:Amherst Mammoths athletic directors – C2C, C2D Jweiss11 (talk) 03:48, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Amherst Lord Jeffs baseball to Category:Amherst Mammoths baseball – C2C, C2D Jweiss11 (talk) 03:48, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Amherst Lord Jeffs baseball coaches to Category:Amherst Mammoths baseball coaches – C2C, C2D Jweiss11 (talk) 03:48, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Amherst Lord Jeffs baseball players to Category:Amherst Mammoths baseball players – C2C, C2D Jweiss11 (talk) 03:48, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Amherst Lord Jeffs basketball to Category:Amherst Mammoths basketball – C2C, C2D Jweiss11 (talk) 03:48, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Amherst Lord Jeffs men's basketball to Category:Amherst Mammoths men's basketball – C2C, C2D Jweiss11 (talk) 03:48, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Amherst Lord Jeffs men's basketball coaches to Category:Amherst Mammoths men's basketball coaches – C2C, C2D Jweiss11 (talk) 03:48, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Amherst Lord Jeffs men's basketball players to Category:Amherst Mammoths men's basketball players – C2C, C2D Jweiss11 (talk) 03:48, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Amherst Lord Jeffs football to Category:Amherst Mammoths football – C2C, C2D Jweiss11 (talk) 03:48, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Amherst Lord Jeffs football coaches to Category:Amherst Mammoths football coaches – C2C, C2D Jweiss11 (talk) 03:48, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Amherst Lord Jeffs football players to Category:Amherst Mammoths football players – C2C, C2D Jweiss11 (talk) 03:48, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Amherst Lord Jeffs football seasons to Category:Amherst Mammoths football seasons – C2C, C2D Jweiss11 (talk) 03:48, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Amherst Lord Jeffs men's golf to Category:Amherst Mammoths men's golf – C2C, C2D Jweiss11 (talk) 03:48, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Amherst Lord Jeffs men's golf coaches to Category:Amherst Mammoths men's golf coaches – C2C, C2D Jweiss11 (talk) 03:48, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Amherst Lord Jeffs men's ice hockey to Category:Amherst Mammoths men's ice hockey – C2C, C2D Jweiss11 (talk) 03:48, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Amherst Lord Jeffs men's ice hockey coaches to Category:Amherst Mammoths men's ice hockey coaches – C2C, C2D Jweiss11 (talk) 03:48, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Amherst Lord Jeffs men's ice hockey players to Category:Amherst Mammoths men's ice hockey players – C2C, C2D Jweiss11 (talk) 03:48, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Amherst Lord Jeffs men's lacrosse to Category:Amherst Mammoths men's lacrosse – C2C, C2D Jweiss11 (talk) 03:48, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Amherst Lord Jeffs men's lacrosse coaches to Category:Amherst Mammoths men's lacrosse coaches – C2C, C2D Jweiss11 (talk) 03:48, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Amherst Lord Jeffs seasons to Category:Amherst Mammoths seasons – C2C, C2D Jweiss11 (talk) 03:48, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Amherst Lord Jeffs tennis to Category:Amherst Mammoths tennis – C2C, C2D Jweiss11 (talk) 03:48, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Amherst Lord Jeffs men's tennis to Category:Amherst Mammoths men's tennis – C2C, C2D Jweiss11 (talk) 03:48, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Amherst Lord Jeffs men's tennis players to Category:Amherst Mammoths men's tennis players – C2C, C2D Jweiss11 (talk)
Oppose speedy. @Jweiss11: WP:C2C is inapplicable because "Amherst Lord Jeffs" is clearly the current convention. WP:C2D is inapplicable because there is no head article: Amherst Lord Jeffs and Amherst Mammoths both redirect to Amherst College#Athletics, which mentions neither "Mammoths" nor "Lord Jeffs". --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 06:23, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@BrownHairedGirl: "Mammoths" is mentioned in the infobox and the "Mascot" section of Amherst College. How about Amherst Mammoths football for a head article? Jweiss11 (talk) 06:32, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Jweiss11: please read WP:C2D. It's not long and not complex. And it doesn't mention infoboxes.

Amherst Mammoths football doesn't help because a) it's the head article only for football, not all the other sports; b) it has neither consensus nor long-term stability as its current, having been WP:BOLDly moved by you 10 December 2017: Jweiss11 moved page Amherst Lord Jeffs football to Amherst Mammoths football without discussion.

I have no idea whether these moves are a good idea, but they don't meet any speedy criteria. This need a full CFD discussion. See Wikipedia:Categories for discussion#Manual_nominations for a howto. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 06:48, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

If you don't know if these moves are a good idea, perhaps you should retract your opposition, because all you're doing right now is creating busywork for me on an obvious slam dunk move that has countless analogues. Jweiss11 (talk) 06:53, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Jweiss11: (adopting your tone) any busywork is solely the consequence of your choice to try using a speedy process for a change which clearly meets no speedy criteria.

The opening sentence of this page is "Categories may be listed for speedy renaming or speedy merging if they meet one or more of the criteria specified below". No matter how wise any move is, it doesn't get speedied unless it meets those criteria.

You could have saved yourself the trouble by taking these directly to a full discussion. If you can produce evidence to support your assertion this is an obvious slam dunk move, then it will sail through. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 07:10, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Congrats on preferencing pedantry and bureaucracy over simply and efficiently fixing a basic problem with the encyclopedia. Jweiss11 (talk) 07:26, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(returning the compliment) congrats on throwing a minor tantrum and blaming someone else for the consequences of your failure to read short and simple instructions about how to efficiently fix what you believe to be a problem. It has been most enlightening. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 08:43, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I've read all the relevant instructions and I'm familiar with the relevant processes. The issue here is that I've run into a smug and intellectually dishonest wikicrat who values who own pride over other people's time. Perhaps you could make amends by doing to the legwork of converting these speedy moves to a full-blown move nomination should the speedy move not go through? Jweiss11 (talk) 11:31, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Category:French people of Luxembourgian descent to Category:French people of Luxembourgish descent – C2A: Luxembourgish is far more common: Google ngram analysis (also has links to view search results for each term: 15 million vs 125,000 for Luxembourgish vs Luxembourgian); Luxembourgian is a redirect to Luxembourgish. Eric ^talk 22:57, 11 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
This is part of a larger scheme, Category:People of Luxembourgian descent (and there's also Category:Luxembourgian people), so I think this would require a full discussion. -- Black Falcon ^(talk) 23:22, 11 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I was in a bit of a hurry when I made the proposal. I think Category:People of Luxembourgian descent and its sub-cats should be renamed as well. I've added the speedy template there for now. If this discussion moves to full, do we change the templates on the cat pages? And should we template all the sub-cats, or just wait for the outcome of the parent discussion?

Also suggest we rename Category:Luxembourgian people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Luxembourgish people by ethnic or national origin. Eric ^talk 02:42, 12 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Eric: if you want to change the convention, you need to open a full discussion on Category:Luxembourgian people and all its subcats. Note that there have been extensive previous discussions: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 October 19#Category:Luxembourgian_people and Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2012 November 12#Luxembourgian. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 04:17, 12 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
BrownHairedGirl, thanks for those links -- I had no idea. I don't have enough hope for the human race to bother attempting this. Can I, as the proposer, simply delete the templates and let this discussion age out? Eric ^talk 13:43, 12 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Eric: yes, if you want to withdraw the proposal, just leave a note here and remove the template. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:59, 12 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, thanks for the info. I pulled the templates despite my view that Luxembourgian is clearly incorrect. FYI all- I found a good essay on this question here. Eric ^talk 00:03, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Greek-Catholic churches in Romania to Category:Greek Catholic church buildings in Romania – C2C: Replace the dash with a space per the rest of the categories related to the Greek Catholic Church and its church buildings; change "churches" to "church buildings" per the recent rename of Category:Churches to Category:Church buildings at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 October 25#Category:Churches. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 15:18, 11 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Greek-Catholic cathedrals in Romania to Category:Greek Catholic cathedrals in Romania
  Oppose all these "churches"→"church buildings" categs. I am aware that many have already been speedily renamed, but I have only just checked the basis.
  
  These changes are being made on the basis of Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 October 25#Category:Churches. However, that CfD listed only only the top-level Category:Church buildings, and AFAICS that was the only category tagged. If it was intended that many hundreds (possibly thousands) of subcats should be renamed, then those subcats should have been tagged and listed. That was not done, and (judging by Special:WhatLinksHere/Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 October 25) nor does there appear to have been any attempt to notify the relevant WikiProjects that the single cat listed in their article alerts was a proxy for hundreds of subcats.
  
  Worse still, this overturned a much better-attended discussion at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 May 1#Churches/Church_buildings, in which the 2400 subcats were tagged, and listed at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 May 1/list. I also see no evidence of any attempt to notify the participants in that earlier discussion; I assume that oversight was an error in good faith, but its presumably-unintended effect was WP:FORUMSHOPping.
  
  The 2017 October 25 CfD was closed by @Explicit, whose one-word close ("rename") gave no explanation of several key questions: a) why a 5:3 division of votes was sufficient to overturn the much better-attended May 2015 CfD; b) whether it was intended to apply only to the parent cat, c) if it was intended to apply to subcats, why it should do so when they were neither listed nor tagged despite the previous CfD having listed or tagged them.
  
  I have not formed a view on the merits of relative merits of "churches"/"church buildings". But I have a v strong view on the the importance of properly-weighed consensus, and on the disruption caused by mass renamings on the basis of inadequate notification, esp when they reverse a relatively recent, properly-formed consensus. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 09:53, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  So, what do you (and others) suggest as the next step? -- Black Falcon ^(talk) 17:43, 15 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  @Black Falcon: I suggest a new full CfD, with all cats tagged and listed, and an "option A"/"option B" choice between the 2 formats. Notify all participants in previous CfDs, and all wikiprojects. If the outcome is "no consensus", then take "churches" as the default, 'cos that was the last properly notified CfD. It would be great be great to have some sort of long-term moratorium thereafter. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 01:10, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Greek Catholic churches in France to Category:Greek Catholic church buildings in France – C2C: Per the recent rename of Category:Churches to Category:Church buildings at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 October 25#Category:Churches. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 15:13, 11 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Armenian Catholic churches to Category:Armenian Catholic church buildings – C2C: Per the recent rename of Category:Churches to Category:Church buildings at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 October 25#Category:Churches. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 10:39, 11 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Assyrian Church of the East churches to Category:Assyrian Church of the East church buildings – C2C: Per the recent rename of Category:Churches to Category:Church buildings at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 October 25#Category:Churches. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 07:16, 11 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Armenian Apostolic churches in Georgia to Category:Armenian Apostolic church buildings in Georgia (country) – C2C: Rename "churches" to "church buildings" per the recent rename of Category:Churches to Category:Church buildings at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 October 25#Category:Churches; rename "Georgia" to "Georgia (country)" per the rest of the Category:Georgia (country) category tree. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 14:50, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Episcopal churches to Category:Episcopal church buildings – C2C: Per the recent rename of Category:Churches to Category:Church buildings at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 October 25#Category:Churches. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 14:39, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Churches in Newcastle to Category:Church buildings in Newcastle upon Tyne – C2C: Rename "Churches" to "Church buildings" per the recent rename of Category:Churches to Category:Church buildings at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 October 25#Category:Churches; rename "Newcastle" to "Newcastle upon Tyne" per the rest of the Category:Newcastle upon Tyne category tree. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 14:07, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Roman Catholic churches in Newcastle to Category:Roman Catholic church buildings in Newcastle upon Tyne

Category:Anglican churches in Oceania to Category:Anglican church buildings in Oceania – C2C: Per the recent rename of Category:Churches to Category:Church buildings at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 October 25#Category:Churches. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 13:32, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Anglican churches in Australia to Category:Anglican church buildings in Australia
- Category:Anglican churches in New South Wales to Category:Anglican church buildings in New South Wales
- Category:Anglican churches in South Australia to Category:Anglican church buildings in South Australia
- Category:Anglican churches in Tasmania to Category:Anglican church buildings in Tasmania
- Category:Anglican churches in Victoria (Australia) to Category:Anglican church buildings in Victoria (Australia)
- Category:Anglican churches in Western Australia to Category:Anglican church buildings in Western Australia
- Category:Anglo-Catholic churches in Australia to Category:Anglo-Catholic church buildings in Australia
- Category:Anglican churches in New Zealand to Category:Anglican church buildings in New Zealand
- Category:Anglo-Catholic churches in New Zealand to Category:Anglo-Catholic church buildings in New Zealand
- Category:Anglican churches in South America to Category:Anglican church buildings in South America
- Category:Anglican churches in Brazil to Category:Anglican church buildings in Brazil
- Category:Anglican churches by country to Category:Anglican church buildings by country
- Category:Anglo-Catholic churches by country to Category:Anglo-Catholic church buildings by country
- Category:Anglo-Catholic churches in the Republic of Ireland to Category:Anglo-Catholic church buildings in the Republic of Ireland
- Category:Anglo-Catholic churches to Category:Anglo-Catholic church buildings
- Category:Anglican churches in Queensland to Category:Anglican church buildings in Queensland
  - Question: I presume the movitation here is to distinguish the church as an organisation as distinct to its buildings. However, the Anglican church in Queensland has many buildings that are not churches (in the sense of being a place to gather for worship) as it has offices, schools, etc, and I am sure this is true worldwide. The proposed renaming seems to broaden the scope of the category considerably. Is that the intention? Kerry (talk) 23:41, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    - An Anglican church building is a place of worship; An Anglican Church building would be any building associated with the Anglican Church. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 07:44, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
      - That's a mightly subtle distinction. Are the categories going to be updated with descriptions to make that clear? Indeed, it would seem we now need two categories for both purposes with church buildings a sub-cat of Church buildings (ideally both with explanations). Kerry (talk) 04:14, 11 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
      - Anglican Church building cannot be used as Anglican Church is not a proper noun – there is more than Anglican church. See MOS:INSTITUTIONS. 142.161.81.20 (talk) 07:19, 22 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Episcopal churches in Ohio to Category:Episcopal church buildings in Ohio – C2C: Per the recent rename of Category:Churches to Category:Church buildings at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 October 25#Category:Churches. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 11:36, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

On hold pending other discussion

Category:Buildings and structures in Rio de Janeiro (city) to Category:Buildings and structures in Rio de Janeiro – C2b, Rio de Janeiro LaundryPizza03 (talk) 19:58, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Rio de Janeiro (city)-related lists to Category:Rio de Janeiro-related lists
- Category:Culture in Rio de Janeiro (city) to Category:Culture in Rio de Janeiro
  Oppose renaming these under C2B/C2C. While the main category was speedily moved to Category:Rio de Janeiro in late 2016, that move should not have occurred given the potential for confusion with Category:Rio de Janeiro (state). Category names should typically match article names, except when the article name leaves room for ambiguity. -- Black Falcon ^(talk) 20:12, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  
  Oppose per Black Falcon. Category:Rio de Janeiro should be renamed to Category:Rio de Janeiro (city). --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:04, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  
  On hold, pending the outcome of this discussion on the parent category. -- Black Falcon ^(talk) 17:41, 15 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Moved to full discussion

Category:Flow network rename to Category:Network flow problem — C2D. This was recently renamed from Category:Network flow to Category:Flow network but that is the wrong name for this topic. "Network flow" is the name used in the literature for the general topic; a flow network is a specific type of mathematical object that is used as an input to a network flow problem and "flow network" does not describe other aspects of the subject such as specific types of flow problem to be solved and algorithms to solve them; "network flow" covers the whole topic. The article flow network has been demoted from its main-article status (it should not have been main article) and a new article Network flow problem put in its place. I would actually be happier with the original name Category:Network flow rather than the proposed name, but that name goes to a dab article rather than to an article on this topic. —David Eppstein (talk) 07:13, 11 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as speedy. @David Eppstein: you make a good case, but it doesn't meet any speedy criteria. This needs a full discussion. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:22, 11 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@BrownHairedGirl: Perhaps you can explain why the move to the wrong name was a C2D speed but now that the main article has been changed to the right name it can no longer be a C2D speedy again? —David Eppstein (talk) 20:25, 11 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@David Eppstein: because the case accepted then was the proposed change met WP:C2D. Whether or not that decision was wrong, you make no such case ... so this needs a full discussion. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:31, 11 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The main article is now the proposed new category name, "Network flow problem". In what way does this not meet C2D? —David Eppstein (talk) 20:36, 11 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@David Eppstein: because it wasn't the main article until you just WP:BOLDly made it so. So there is no consensus whether you are right, neither consensus-by-stability nor consensus-by-discussion; the point of C2D is that it is based on a consensus rather than on one editor's decision, no matter how wise they are. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:51, 11 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Moved to full discussion at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 February 13#Category:Flow_network. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 06:13, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Railway stations served by London Midland to Category:Railway stations served by West Midlands Trains – C2D, London Midland was succeeded by West Midlands Trains in December 2017. Rollingsow (talk) 02:19, 7 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Not really comfortable processing this one without a full discussion. C2D does not technically apply to set categories; however, more than that, I wonder if there are any railyway stations that were served by London Midland but are not served by West Midland Trains. -- Black Falcon ^(talk) 05:19, 11 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Full discussion at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 February 12#Category:Railway_stations_served_by_London_Midland. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 01:35, 12 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Category:First Ladies of Trinidad and Tobago to Category:First Ladies and Gentlemen of Trinidad and Tobago - C2C to match the parent article. Additionally, Paula-Mae Weekes is expected to take office as President in March 2018 and her husband would be the nation's first First Gentleman.Scanlan (talk) 13:51, 25 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. @Scanlan: I see no evidence that the verbose title "First Ladies and Gentlemen" is used in Trinidad and Tobago. Rename instead to the simpler descriptive title Category:Spouses of Presidents of Trinidad and Tobago, C2C per grandparent Category:Spouses of national leaders and many of its subcats. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:32, 25 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - The Office of the President of Trinidad and Tobago, the official government site, uses "The First Lady", on its page. Office of the President: The First Lady’s Profile Scanlan (talk) 17:29, 25 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Scanlan: it does not use the title "First Gentlemen". It does not use "First Ladies and Gentlemen". --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:50, 25 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

So... is this basically on hold until 19 March 2018, when Weekes takes office, to see how this page is updated? -- Black Falcon ^(talk) 19:26, 11 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Black Falcon: I will continue to oppose regardless of what that site's webmaster does or doesn't do. A simple descriptive category name is clearer for both readers and editors. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:52, 11 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@BrownHairedGirl: That's fair, and I do agree that a descriptive name is preferable to a (mostly ceremonial) title. -- Black Falcon ^(talk) 01:59, 12 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Full discussion at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 February 12#Category:First_Ladies_of_Trinidad_and_Tobago. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 00:25, 12 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Metro stations in the United Kingdom to Category:Rapid transit stations in the United Kingdom – C2C. feminist (talk) 08:58, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Metro stations in Spain to Category:Rapid transit stations in Spain – C2C. feminist (talk) 08:58, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Metro stations in South Korea to Category:Rapid transit stations in South Korea – C2C. feminist (talk) 08:57, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I am afraid we need a full discussion for metro stations, there is too much mess over there.--Ymblanter (talk) 17:40, 15 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Feminist: do you want to take these to a full discussion, or to withdraw them? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:04, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, take them to a discussion if anyone finds them controversial. I do think that a move from "metro" to "rapid transit" makes sense considering the category structure and the fact that Metro is ambiguous. feminist (talk) 15:13, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It is just we have for example Category:Moscow Metro stations, whyc should it go to Category:Rapid transit stations in Russia and not Category:Metro stations in Russia? May be it is ok, but I feel we need to discuss this once.--Ymblanter (talk) 15:21, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Feminist: no, I won't take them to a full discussion. You can do so if you like, but not me. I was simply reminding you that now they are opposed, you have 3 options: 1) take em to a full discussion; 2) withdraw; 3) leave them here until they are removed as stale on 22 Jan. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:27, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@BrownHairedGirl: done. feminist (talk) 13:23, 18 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Metro stations full discussion at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2018_January_18#Category:Metro_stations_in_South_Korea. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:51, 18 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Rio de Janeiro to Category:Rio de Janeiro (city) – C2C: for consistency with all its subcats. This reverses an odd speedy move in Aug 2016, which was proposed[2] by @Od Mishehu and implemented[3][4] by admin @Number 57.
It was an odd move, because while C2D was the cited reason, C2D does not apply if there is ambiguity (the wording then was "If the page names are controversial or ambiguous in any way, then this criterion does not apply".)
There clearly is ambiguity here, between Category:Rio de Janeiro (city)+subcats and Category:Rio de Janeiro (state) + subcats. Od Mishehu and Number 57 seem to have overlooked the inapplicability of C2D. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:46, 7 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - the article has remained stable at its current name, Rio de Janeiro, since 2005; this was also the same time frame as Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2016 August 17#Seattle and Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2016 September 6#Major US cities, where the basic consensus is that if a name is unambiguous enough for the article, it's unambiguous enough for the category. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 15:05, 7 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Od Mishehu: I disagree with that substantive argument, tho I respect that it is a coherent POV.
However, it is an argument which you should have made at a full CfD, because a) C2D did not apply, and b) moving only the one category created an inconsistency between the main category and its subcats, for which I see no justification.
Opposing this reversal of an invalid speedy simply restores the status quo ante, and reverses a procedural error. I assume that the error was made in good faith, so please will you withdraw the objection to reversing it?
You would still of course be free to open a full CfD if you want to (to rename the subcats too) ... but it would not look at all like good faith if you stand by a misapplied speedy. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:03, 7 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I believed then, and still believe now, that my speedy nomination was correct. Under policy, if you had commented at the time, you could have prevented the rename; and if you had commented shortly after the rename was done, I probably would have accepted your statement and had the rename reverted; however, since you only started to comment now, over a year after the rename, the new name has been established and the burden of establishing consensus is on you. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 23:39, 7 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Moved to a full discussion. 17:35, 15 January 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Black Falcon (talk • contribs)

Ready for deletion

Check Category:Empty categories awaiting deletion for out of process deletions. In some cases, these will need to be nominated for discussion and the editor who emptied the category informed that they should follow the WP:CFD process.

Once the renaming has been completed, copy and paste the listing to the Ready for deletion section of Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Working/Manual.

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 :::::: Congrats on preferencing pedantry and bureaucracy over simply and efficiently fixing a basic problem with the encyclopedia. [[User:Jweiss11|Jweiss11]] ([[User talk:Jweiss11|talk]]) 07:26, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
 ::::::: (returning the compliment)  congrats on throwing a minor tantrum and blaming someone else for the consequences of your failure to read short and simple instructions about ''how'' to efficiently fix what you believe to be a problem. It has been most enlightening. --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|<span style="color:#663200;">Brown</span>HairedGirl]] <small>[[User talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</small> 08:43, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
+:::::::: I've read all the relevant instructions and I'm familiar with the relevant processes.  The issue here is that I've run into a smug and intellectually dishonest wikicrat who values who own pride over other people's time.  Perhaps you could make amends by doing to the legwork of converting these speedy moves to a full-blown move nomination should the speedy move not go through? [[User:Jweiss11|Jweiss11]] ([[User talk:Jweiss11|talk]]) 11:31, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
 * [[:Category:French people of Luxembourgian descent]] to [[:Category:French people of Luxembourgish descent]] – C2A: ''Luxembourgish'' is far more common: [https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=luxembourgish%2Cluxemburgish%2Cluxemburgian&case_insensitive=on&year_start=1800&year_end=2000&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2CLuxembourgish%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2CLuxemburgish%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2CLuxemburgian%3B%2Cc0 Google ngram analysis] (also has links to view search results for each term: 15 million vs 125,000 for ''Luxembourgish'' vs ''Luxembourgian''); {{no redirect|Luxembourgian}} is a redirect to [[Luxembourgish]].  [[User:Eric|Eric]] <sup>[[User talk:Eric|talk]]</sup> 22:57, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
 *:This is part of a larger scheme, [[:Category:People of Luxembourgian descent]] (and there's also [[:Category:Luxembourgian people]]), so I think this would require a full discussion. -- [[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]] <sup>([[User talk:Black Falcon|talk]])</sup> 23:22, 11 February 2018 (UTC)