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The result was keep. Eddie891 Talk Work 21:56, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Edgar de Evia

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Biography for a non-notable photographer. damiens.rf 16:30, 20 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep. A simple google books search revealed multiple sources with independent significant coverage (just scroll through the first 4 or 5 pages). Clearly a competent WP:BEFORE was not done. I found a review of his work in The New York Times: See: "COLOR IN REVIEW: Popular Photography's Color Annual Surveys Medium's Current Status How Creative Is Color?" Range of Effects Color vs. Black and White". The New York Times. 19 May 1957. p. X17.4meter4 (talk) 20:17, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep multiple hits on Google books indicate that the subject was much discussed and there is no shortage of references about him. Mccapra (talk) 18:45, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. ✗plicit 10:34, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Nick Veasey

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Indications of notability, but not enough evidence, in current article or from Google search. Article has been in CAT:NN for almost 12 years; hopefully, we can now resolve it. Boleyn (talk) 07:53, 11 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep Comment - This [1] leads me to believe there is notability there....his work is in the permanent collection of the Victoria and Albert Museum. [2] Also this show at Mass MoCA [3]. But what it a little odd is that of all the museum collections listed on his CV,[4] the V&A is the only one that can be verified. Netherzone (talk) 15:12, 11 September 2021 (UTC) UPDATE: I've changed my Comment to K**p, as it has been established that he meets WP:GNG per SIGCOV in multiple independent reliable sources over a period of time, and per several of his works in the collection of the Victoria & Albert Museum (as above and in the comment below). Netherzone (talk) 15:57, 19 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. While the subject seems to be on the borderline of notability, the consensus in this discussion is that this individual is on the non-notable side of that borderline. —⁠ScottyWong⁠— 19:34, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Maggie Siner

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There are sources in the article that make it look legit, but once I scrape below the surface a bit, I cannot find any sources that are in-depth and independent.There are one or two good mentions, but no record of museum collections or significant shows outside of the private gallery circuit that might make her meet WP:NARTIST. --- Possibly ☎ 02:25, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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It is also worth mentioning that he article is here because the person who wrote it made several trips to Venice to interview the artist. At some point they became friends and the article creator continued to edit/maintain the page. See the talk page for four new maintenance edits that are requested. I really wonder if we would have a page on her if it were not for these COI efforts, which is why I nominated it. --- Possibly ☎ 14:43, 19 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. That was very enlightening. Definitely decisive in my vote for deletion above then. ExRat (talk) 14:56, 19 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hi there I think it is not fair on Morningbastet tu showel suspiscions of retributed contributing, I think she discovered the artist, started to write and then befriended her not the other way round. However I have found that the Thomas Balch Library has acquired one of her paintings but they have not yet put it up on their website. However the information is here. I think the subject of this article is effetively in a grey zone of notability, but still the longevity of her appearances (from 1988) is a fact. It is such a shame though that so many primary sources were used, but Morningbastet just made a newbie mistake there :/Nattes à chat (talk) 15:13, 20 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
There is no suspicions at all here. Morningbastet confirmed that they worked in person with the artist to create the article through interviews, and then maintained the article over the years as a friend. Those are just facts that came from Morningbastet. --- Possibly ☎ 15:41, 20 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I have received from Morningbastet about 4 scanned articles of printed newspapers but there are no online versions. The newspapers are Loudoum Time's Mirror, Elan Magazine among (which this one cited in the references : “Bones Become Man’s Likeness”, Washington Post, April 4, 1988). I can send the articles for a check. I think this establishes the fact that she is known over a period of time. I am afraid that most of the articles can only be found in their printed form. There is also an article in the "American artist" from Betsy schein Goldman of 1993 which is centered on her an not an interview. I think it would be a mistake to delete this article just because the refs are not online. Nattes à chat (talk) 18:57, 20 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you Vexations. Where can I find versions of these two articles :
  • Weak delete I did a search on ProQuest and there were a few sources better than mere mentions: a 1993 article on her in American Artist magazine (just the summary); a fairly short article in the Washington Post; and a half-decent article in a publication called Roll Call. I suspect if all the sources were gathered she might pass WP:GNG but so far I'm not seeing enough out there. Curiocurio (talk) 19:11, 19 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak delete I found a 2019 Washington Post review that has three paragraphs about her work, and a 2017 Washington Post review with two sentences, a 2019 local news with four sentences of attention to her work, a 2008 local news interview with an artist citing Siner as an influence, a 2016 art gallery's blog interview with another artist citing Siner as a mentor, a 2016 interview with some WP:SECONDARY context and commentary in Nashville Arts Magazine, a fairly promotional 2016 mention in the Richmond Times-Dispatch, and the 2010 Roll Call article focused on her, but this is not enough for WP:NARTIST and also does not appear sufficient to support WP:BASIC. Beccaynr (talk) 04:20, 20 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment On ProQuest, there is a May 1991 Washington Post article titled "Neighbors" with quotes from her, as well as a general reference to her experience teaching anatomy at Georgetown University and as a medical illustrator, a mention about how 3 years prior she assisted police, how she is currently planning an educational trip to China, that she previously taught at the Cleveland Institute of Art in France for 6 months, and she is currently showing work at a local gallery. The abstract for the American Artist feature is two lines and includes, "Maggie Siner is a prolific artist whose ease with her chosen medium and understanding of color and light make her a standout among those working in oil". Based on the Elan magazine About page, and its submission guidelines, the publication does not appear to have the type of editorial standards to be a notability-building source per the guidelines. The Loudon Times-Mirror is a weekly county newspaper, and while I would prefer to review the article, I think more would still be needed to support WP:BASIC even if it is a solid, in-depth feature. Beccaynr (talk) 20:22, 20 September 2021 (UTC) comment updated (website reference removed) to reflect additional research Beccaynr (talk) 20:42, 20 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep I saw there is an exhition here going on now at the Dr. Bernard Heller Museum in New York and there is an exhibition catalog HERE where for this exhibition, which comforts me with the idea that her work is being recongnized. There were articles about her in 1988 according to the references so notability is demonstrated throughout time. For sure she is in a grey zone, but I think that given the current exhibition her notability has not disappeared and could progress in the future. Nattes à chat (talk) 09:35, 20 September 2021 (UTC) [reply]
It may be worth noting that the Heller museum is a religious institute and not an art museum. The two sources given do not help much as they consist of a name check on the site, which lists about 50 other artists in the show, and a single sentence description of her work in the catalogue, presumably written by the artist. --- Possibly ☎ 11:06, 20 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Being a religious museum nonetheless makes it a museum and Siner appears in the exhibition catalog. I am searching for more of these exhibition catalogs as I don't think this has been done. Nattes à chat (talk) 14:07, 20 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
A group show in a religious museum is something, but what is needed to establish notability or artists is a set of reviews or critical texts that are independent of the artist and talk about their work in depth. Exhibition catalogues are not great as they are produced in concert with the artists to show the artist in a favourable light. Another possibility is that if the artist has been included in museum collections, these can be used to establish notability via WP:NARTIST. Neither of these seem to be true here, and several skilled editors have found only minor coverage. I'll stop commenting here. --- Possibly ☎ 14:16, 20 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep There is abundant and centered press coverage for Maggie Siner from 1988 to 2020 and a centered article originally in italian by Gianfranco Munarotto on Ytaly, a 2006 centered article on Elan magazine from Sally Proutz, by independent critics and peers. Some of the press articles, for example the 1988 articles about the breakthrough identification of a murder victim through her facial reconstruction skills, are only available in paper version, that I can provide by mail, if need be. She has had many solo exhibition in Alliance française de Venise (2014) Washington Studio Gallery (2013), Alliance Française de Washington (2010), Artists Museum (1996), Bernard Heller Museum (2019-current), Loudoun Museum (1986), American University Library (1996) and others. These exhibition are not yet mentioned in the article Morningbastet (talk) 11:10, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The 2016 Ytali feature is available online: Maggie Siner: The Non-conformity of True Art, and as noted above, Elan does not appear to be a sufficiently reliable source to support notability. Beccaynr (talk) 16:03, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 17:04, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Christopher Easton

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This has been marked as needing citations since 2008. The article includes no reliable sources. I can't find any reliable sources online. Same for the alter ego Aida Libido.  SchreiberBike | ⌨  22:03, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete: per nom. Couldn't find any sources for this Christopher or Aida Libido. FiddleheadLady (talk) 18:26, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. No opinions to keep, but because of low participation (only one opinion other than nom's) this should be considered a soft deletion. The article will be undeleted on request. Deor (talk) 16:48, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yves Hayat

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The two collections mentioned would make him meet NARTIST, if the collections were art collections. However, one is a monastery and one is a perfume museum. Apparently an autobiography as as well, which makes me doubt the neutrality of the claims. A draft of the same article was previously declined at AFC and then deleted. --- Possibly ☎ 15:10, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Comment.Possibly, I am seeing quite a lot of publications in French on art including him. Much of it is in snippet view, but I am inclined to think that quality independent RS with significant coverage does exist just browsing through the sources there. Did you look at google books?4meter4 (talk) 02:06, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@4meter4: I read French so those entries would be no problem for me. However I still do not see anything significant. There is a French Yves Hayat who was involved in the disco scene as possibly as a music promoter. The Guardian says that "In 1977 Yves Hayat was a youthful label manager working for Barclay Records with a couple of solo LPs and a spot of production work under his wide leather belt." Here also is disco Yves performing on French TV as a robot musician. (Disco Hayat may actually be notable...) Another YH, and this might be the same one, was the co-editor and publisher of an art magazine. His name appears frequently here, but his bio does not mention anything about being a publisher. Our Yves Hayat gets mentioned a lot in something called Art Cote d'Azur, but it is usually a name check. I still cannot find SIGCOV of the artist Yves Hayat. If you have some links in mind I would be happy to look at them. --- Possibly ☎ 03:39, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm, This source may indicate he is part of a museum collection? That's just a guess on my part. In looking through, most others that are art related are about the editor of Galerie Magazine. I also wonder if the artist and editor are the same person? If they are I would say there is enough RS to pass BASIC. However, without proof it's a delete for me.4meter4 (talk) 19:19, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@4meter4: that source is talking about the art magazine editor Hayat. I do not think it is the same person. The Musée d'Art Moderne de Paris also does not list a Hayat in their collection. --- Possibly ☎ 01:59, 28 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Just for clarity for the closer, I am voting delete per Possibly's reasoning.4meter4 (talk) 02:30, 28 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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