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User template wording

I have designed a template with the intended text:

This user supports a peaceable Israel XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

with the provisional "XX" text reading: "within an approximation of its 1967 borders."

This user supports a peaceable Israel within an approximation of its 1967 borders.

 
 
I've just had a look at the article on the 1948 Palestine war and noted the evacuated villages.

Are there alternate options of wording to consider that would provide a fair return to a 20th cent. or similar situation?

The sister template of the above is:

This user supports the existence of an independent Palestine at peace with its neighbours.

 
 
advice appreciated.
Gregkaye ✍♪ 20:36, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

• I've also posted the question @ Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Palestine. Gregkaye ✍♪ 20:56, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

transliterations and Literal translations

Just wondered if a standard format is or could be used. What's best?

I have done a bit of stuff like this:
Way of the Patriarchs
Way of the Patriarchs  (Hebrew: דֶּרֶךְ הֲאָבוֹת  Derech haʾAhvot  Lit. Way (of) the Fathers), is an ...

Kfar Darom
Kfar Darom (Template:Lang-he-n,  lit. Village (in the) South),...

I think the word order translation will be of use for people familiarising themselves with Hebrew

Gregkaye ✍♪ 03:54, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

The standard I used when writing all the kibbutz articles was something along the lines of Sde Boker (Hebrew: שְׂדֵה בּוֹקֵר, lit. Herding Field). However, I would avoid translating things for a second time like you did with Way of the Patriarchs, and I would also avoid putting prepositions in brackets. The Kfar Darom translation is also incorrect, as there is no "in the" in the name - a proper translation would be "South Village"; "Village in the South" would be "Kfar BaDarom". Number 57 08:27, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

I would avoid translating ancient names, at least without a ref. In this example, we don't know, maybe it's "a village next to Darom", "village of the sons of Darom" or the like. Unless you do. trespassers william (talk) 10:29, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Help needed to improve language support in CS1 citations

I am looking for help to guide language support improvements to Citation Style 1 templates. For the time being, these improvements are limited to titles of reference sources, |title= and |trans-title= in CS1 citations that italicize these parameter values.

There have long been complaints that certain languages should not be italicized. A discussion at Module talk:Citation/CS1#non-italic titles regarding titles in Chinese with pinyin transliterations, and English translations just looked wrong. The commonly applied fixes that make the title look right end up damaging the citation's COinS metadata. So, a better way needs to be found.

A possible solution is hacked into Module:Citation/CS1. The hack creates a new parameter, |logogram=|script-title=, which for now is intended to receive titles in script that is not to be italicized. Here is an example of what a citation should not look like:

Wang, Li (1985). Hànyǔ Yǔyīn Shǐ 汉语语音史 (in Chinese). Beijing: China Social Sciences Press. ISBN 978-7-100-05390-7. {{cite book}}: Unknown parameter |trans_title= ignored (|trans-title= suggested) (help)

and the same citation with |logogram=|script-title=:

Wang, Li (1985). Hànyǔ Yǔyīn Shǐ 汉语语音史 (in Chinese). Beijing: China Social Sciences Press. ISBN 978-7-100-05390-7. {{cite book}}: Invalid |script-title=: missing prefix (help); Unknown parameter |trans_title= ignored (|trans-title= suggested) (help)

Another improvement to CS1 language support that we are contemplating is better handling of right-to-left (rtl) languages. This arises from a discussion now in WP:VPT archive 129. Again, the workarounds necessary to make the citation render correctly corrupt the COinS metadata.

Another hack to CS1 that uses |logogram=|script-title= to hold the Hebrew title appears to correctly render that citation's title.

Tova Green (6 May 2010). 12 ימים (in Hebrew). Maybe So. Retrieved 15 May 2010. {{cite book}}: Unknown parameter |trans_title= ignored (|trans-title= suggested) (help) – current live version of {{cite book}}

Tova Green (6 May 2010). 12 ימים (in Hebrew). Maybe So. Retrieved 15 May 2010. {{cite book}}: Invalid |script-title=: missing prefix (help); Unknown parameter |trans_title= ignored (|trans-title= suggested) (help) – current sandbox version

I don't know if titles in Hebrew should be italicized; I don't know if titles should be displayed <original language> <romanized transcription> [<English translation>] or in some other order.

Opinions? Comments? Questions? Brickbats?

Main discussions for:

languages that should not be italicized in CS1 citations → Module talk:Citation/CS1#non-italic titles

right-to-left languages → Module talk:Citation/CS1#rtl language support in CS1 titles

or here

—Trappist the monk (talk) 18:37, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Opera in Israel; Opera Company of Israel

Hello. I recently created Marta Domingo's page, and apparently he was a soprano for the Opera Company of Israel for three years before she went on to become a renowned opera director. I am unable to find an article about opera in Israel beyond the Tel Aviv Performing Arts Center, which is a building. I am working on several projects right now and I thought I would mention this here, if anybody else would like to create a page. I am not sure if there is just one company, or more. It looks like the Opera Company of Israel may be notable; it would be wonderful to have a section about its history (who started/patronized it); what operas they performed; who the main directors/sopranos/tenors have been. Thank you.Zigzig20s (talk) 03:31, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

If interested, please see the discussion over at WP Opera here. Easier to keep it all in one place. Thank you.Zigzig20s (talk) 16:02, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

AfD which may be of some interest

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/After Saturday Comes Sunday (2nd nomination). Dougweller (talk) 13:46, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

Comment on the WikiProject X proposal

Hello there! As you may already know, most WikiProjects here on Wikipedia struggle to stay active after they've been founded. I believe there is a lot of potential for WikiProjects to facilitate collaboration across subject areas, so I have submitted a grant proposal with the Wikimedia Foundation for the "WikiProject X" project. WikiProject X will study what makes WikiProjects succeed in retaining editors and then design a prototype WikiProject system that will recruit contributors to WikiProjects and help them run effectively. Please review the proposal here and leave feedback. If you have any questions, you can ask on the proposal page or leave a message on my talk page. Thank you for your time! (Also, sorry about the posting mistake earlier. If someone already moved my message to the talk page, feel free to remove this posting.) Harej (talk) 22:47, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Notable?

Is this publisher article notable? If notable can anyone add some sources. Thanks, Jim Carter 06:52, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Holocaust comparisons

I recently raised an issue of comparing Arab-Israeli matters to the holocaust on WP:AE. An admin appears to believe my complaint has nothing to do with the comparison being insensitive and offensive, but is based on battleground mentality.[1] I'd appreciate the community's input on whether or not repeatedly comparing Arab-Israeli matters to the holocaust is considered proper conduct. (see also: "genocide") MarciulionisHOF (talk) 07:13, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Block-log update

Though there was no direct reply on my querry,[2] two AE executives is enough input for me. See block-log update. According to this, it is appears preferable that future allusions should be ignored. MarciulionisHOF (talk) 06:11, 24 October 2014 (UTC)