Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Norway

List of fylker

Does anybody have a source to check the information on Ranked list of Norwegian counties? The article has no sources and has recently been edited by anons. Regards. Valentinian ^{(talk) / (contribs)} 22:18, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Population per 1 October 2006 and population changes during 3rd quarter of 2006. Counties.. The most recently updated one. Sam Vimes | Address me 22:31, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Is Kvitfjell in Øyer?

Is the ski resort of Kvitfjell in Øyer? I can't find a reference to say what municipality it's in. --Montchav 14:36, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

No, it's in Ringebu. [1] (the text in the left box says "Kvitfjell, slalom hill and downhill, Ringebu municipality"). Hafjell, on the other hand, is in Øyer. Sam Vimes | Address me 17:20, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Using Norwegian terms

How would you all feel about using Norwegian words and nomenclatures in all Norwegian administrative division article texts? eg, use fylke instead of counties in the text of all Norwegian articles, not just the titles? --Bob 04:04, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Assessment department

Well now we have an assessment department, to be found here. I suspect a large amount of Norway related articles have not even been tagged, but thats something to get done as we go along. I hope the statistics and other stuff we'll get from it will be of use. Inge 12:22, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Create sub-pages?

I think the main page for this project is too long. I would like to move the standards and conventions part to a sub-page such as Wikipedia:WikiProject Norway/Conventions and leave a short explanation and link to it in the main page. Any objections?Inge 15:15, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Naming conventions for Norwegian monarchs

What is meant by this sentence: The early kings uses a form of the name consistent with the sources (Heimskringla et al), but using latin transcription. The early sources are written with the latin alphabet - no latin transcription is necessary.--Barend 12:02, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes that does look a bit strange. Hopefully the person who wrote it has an answer. Since this page now has a slow rate of visitors maybe we could give this question some time to be answered. If we don't find a way to clarify it we can just remove the last bit. Inge 12:11, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Custom handling for Æ, Ø and Å in Norway-exclusive categories

I am wondering if there could be established a consensus for applying special Norwegian alphabetic collation rules to those categories that exclusively contain Norwegian names. Currently, there is a mix between English conversion and incidents of "regular" handling (as seen in Category:Norwegian writers) but most frequently displaying O and Ø last names tossed together, Å and Aa with A, etc.. I've been informed that technically there is no problem placing such entries after Z, and there is precedence in the Icelandic handling of categories, but is there wide community desire for this method? What do you all think? —MURGH ^disc. 15:53, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

• I would favor indexing persons by Ø, Å etc -- for the sake of correctness. Punkmorten 17:49, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
• I favor indexing and collating using Æ, Ø and Å Inge 19:04, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Comment: 2 weeks and not quite yet resembling a wide and passionate community consensus. Having been told there are folk out there who hold fighting such tendencies their chief wiki-task, we had better be more than 3 who favour this. So.. anybody else? MURGH ^disc. 14:23, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

• Though the two weeks have long since come and gone (I've only been using Wikipedia for the last few months) you may still be waiting for another vote to be cast. Although I'm American I speak fluent Swedish, somewhat less than fluent Norwegian, and read but do not speak Danish. But I will just add, "Jag med." They belong after Z. God Jul och Gott Nytt Âr! Robert Greer (talk) 23:34, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

How do I join?

I've never been in a wikiproject before, is there something I have to do before I can join? Claidheamohmor 21:38, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

The only thing you have to do is add your name to the list of participants. I do however recommend you take a look at the different pages relating to this project: the main page with conventions, the assessment department, the notice board and the portal. Welcome to the project. I hope you like it :)Inge 09:23, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Greenland and Norway

For those of you that remember the previous fuzz about Denmark-Norway, you might wish to contribute regarding the debate about the Scandinavian settlements on Greenland and their relations to Norway, see: Talk:Greenland. Valentinian ^{T / C} 21:31, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Indeed, the similarities are striking Fornadan (t) 23:28, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Strange, fanatic agenda. I've been reverted twice now as POVpusher and vandal. What to do? MURGH ^disc. 18:08, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

I have a feeling we might be dealing with somebody we've seen before. Anyway, User:Lar has promised to monitor the situation. Let's all just continue presenting evidence, avoid falling to his level and avoid breaking policy. Don't let it get to you Murgh, his arguments are paper thin. If it is any consolation to you, this situation is even more embarrassing to me, since we're dealing with one of my fellow countrymen. Valentinian ^{T / C} 21:47, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Encouraging that there is admin awareness. Yes, thx, I'll stay cool and patient then. MURGH ^disc. 22:32, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Places in Norway founded by Christian IV

I've begun compiling a list of places and buildings founded by Christian IV but my knowledge about the Norwegian material is insufficient. In Denmark we have Christianshavn, Nyboder, Rundetårn, Rosenborg and Børsen. In Germany and Sweden; Kristiansstad, Kristianopel, Kupfermühle, Glückstadt and Christianspris. But what about Norway? All I can think of is Christiania, Kongsberg and Kristiansand. Surely there must be more than this? If I remember correctly Kristiansund was founded by Christian VI. Valentinian ^{T / C} 14:24, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

New category for Norwegian People

I propose we should have a new category under the category Norwegian people, named Norwegian people by county. This category should then contain the 20 counties in Norway in the form Category:People from Rogaland. This would both make the categorisation interesting and would allow further diffusion of Norwegian people. I refer to what is done in Irish people by county and English people by county. Please tell me what you think. Spelemann 14:39, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

AFD needing attention of editors who read Norwegian

I just sent to AFD from from deletion review an article where the best information is at the Norwegian Wikipedia. The sourcing found in that article is primarily in Norwegian, and the new AFD discussion could use the participation of some Norwegian literate editors. GRBerry 01:46, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Request for help

Hello. Could someone from the project take a look at Madcon? I seriously doubt that I wouldn't have heard about a Norwegian rap duo that has collaborated with 50 Cent, Destiny's Child, Clipse, Wu-Tang and Xzibit and it's clear that the article is 90% junk. However, I'm wondering whether there is perhaps something to salvage from the remaining 10%. Google finds a lot of hits in what I can only assume is Norwegian. Thanks in advance for your help. Pascal.Tesson 04:06, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

• I strongly doubt they've collaborated with all those artists, but they're apparently big in Norwegian hip hop, receiving excellent reviews in the national papers and winning several national music awards. Delta Tango • Talk 07:14, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Ok great. Any chance you can write a decent stub with all the nonsense removed? Otherwise I'm afraid someone will eventually submit the article for deletion. Thanks. Pascal.Tesson 07:55, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Lists of farms

There is an effort underway to create a series of articles with lists of farms in various municipalities in Norway - seeCategory:Farms in Oppland. This was nominated for deletion in May last year, with sparse voting and no consensus.

I'm inclined to allow such lists, but I think we have to be clear what their purpose is, and why they're notable and encyclopedic. I suppose a greater push on agriculture in Norway (Det store hamskiftet, etc.) would be worth considering in any event.

As I see it, Norwegian farm names are an important part of Norwegian economic and geographic history, as most of Norway was rural for so long. To understand the economic development of each community in Norway, the farm names matter - which is why bygdebøker (comprehensive works of local history) are so common. In addition, they have genealogical value, though I think that's less important. --Leifern 13:23, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

As the orignator of those farm lists, I supported retaining them rather vigorously. That said, I've not continued adding material of this type since I do understand that many of the farms are relatively minor in the historic scheme of things. However I do believe that Leifern's arguments have merit and would support further development in farm related material.

One of the suggestions in the deletion discussion is to focus on farms with historic significance, of which there are a number. As a result, work like that by User:Frode Inge Helland in preparing articles like Ytste Skotet, Havrå, & Me-Åkernes appear to be good examples of a contribution not likely to be contested by deletionists. Of course there are many other Norwegian farms with more historic signifcance.

Bottom line - I have little additional to contribute in the area myself, but would be willing to help others if requested. Skål - Williamborg (Bill) 01:06, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Bilateral relations discussion

I would like to invite you all to participate in a discussion at this thread regarding bilateral relations between two countries. All articles related to foreign relations between countries are now under the scope of WikiProject Foreign relations, a newly created project. We hope that the discussion will result in a more clean and organized way of explaining such relationships. Thank you. Ed ^{¿Cómo estás?} 18:43, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Municipality naming convention

There is some disagreement about what the article name should be for the six municipalities in Norway with a Sami or Kven name. That is should the official name or only the Norwegian part be used?

The six muncipalities are (official name):

• Deatnu Tana
• Guovdageaidnu Kautokeino
• Gáivuotna Kåfjord
• Kárášjohka Karasjok
• Porsanger Porsángu Porsanki
• Unjárga Nesseby

I believe the official name should be used since it is the official name, and is hence used in phone books, official documents, by SSB http://www.ssb.no/english/municipalities/2020, etc. But also because I believe article content is more important than the name. Based on my experience from other indigenous/minority people articles is that having a very strict naming policy that insist that the “colonial” name should be used, only generates endless discussions about which name should be used (eg Talk:Inuit). Such discussions are a waste of everybody’s time, and more importantly many of the people in question are offended and do not want to contribute to the articles.

If there is agreement about using the official names, the municipality templates needs to be changed.Labongo 09:25, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

I for one agree with going with the official names. If preferred sources back it up, and it avoids offending the justifiably offended, it must be ideal. For those that disagree there are always redirects ;) MURGH ^disc. 10:49, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

About the "officality" of the names:

Kommunene med tospråklig navn er:

* Gouvdageaidnu-Kautokeino (kgl res 03.07.1987)

* Unjárga-Nesseby (kgl res 26.04.1989)

* Kárásjohka-Karasjok (kgl res 29.01.1990)

* Deatnu-Tana (kgl res 29.05.1992)

* Gáivuotna-Kåfjord (kgl res 04.01.1994)

source: http://www.regjeringen.no/nb/dep/fad/dok/regpubl/otprp/20012002/Otprp-nr-111-2001-2002-/3.html?id=125749

I did not find the "kgl res" for Porsanger Porsángu Porsanki. But Caplex uses it http://www.caplex.no/Web/ArticleView.aspx?id=9328093.Labongo 11:42, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

At least include a hyphen. Punkmorten 16:41, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Agree. But I will wait with adding hyphens until agreement has been reached.Labongo 17:54, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

A note about the counties Finnmark and Troms. Each of these have two official names, respectively Finnmark or Finnmárkku, and Troms or Romsa (i.e. they differ from the municipality names). Since either name can be used it is OK to have the articles under Finnmark and Troms.Labongo 18:31, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Well I disagree, and here is why:

* WP:NAME states that an article should have the name that is most commonly used

** The municipalities are in Norway, therefore their Norwegian names are obviously the most common names in everyday use

** In official signage kommune, gielda/suohkan etc is included

* The Norwegian and Sami language wikis have their articles named in those languages respectively, not both

* Similar examples of this are en:Helsinki/fi:Helsinki/sv:Helsingfors and en:Cardiff/cy:Caerdydd

I would like to point out that there were no "endless" discussions regarding any of these articles, until they were moved without discussion.

Further, I am not at all disputing the official names, I am merely saying that articles belong under the name they are commonly known under, not what is formally correct (again, I refer to Helsinki, Cardiff, Ford, UEFA and so on.) That is also the general gist of the naming conventions.

The Norway-guideline states to use the official Norwegian name, but it does so to deal with a different problem (also, I'd be surprised if anyone had these botched name constructions in mind.) For that matter, have a look at Norway, which is named just that, not either of Kingdom of Norway, Kongeriket Norge or Kongeriket Noreg.

I strongly believe these articles should stay under whatever name is most commonly used. - BsL 01:43, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

About Porsanger going tri-lingual, this is what i found: http://www.porsanger.no/index.php?id=202368. The phrase "tri-lingual municipality name" is used, but then it says:

Kommunen får tre likestilte navneformer - Porsanger (norsk), Porsángu (samisk) og Porsanki (kvensk/finsk)

My translation: The municipality is given three names of equal status

I offisiell skriftlig og muntlig kommunikasjon skal den norske navneformen tas med der det norske språk brukes,
mens den samiske eller kvenske/finske navneformen skal tas med der henholdsvis samisk og kvensk/finsk språk brukes.

My translation: In official written and oral communication the Norwegian name shall be included where the Norwegian language is used, while the Sami or Kven/Finnish name shall be included where respectively Sami and Kven/Finnish language is used. Reading Ot.prp. 111 I notice that both Norsk språkråd and Samisk språkråd opposed these names and wanted separate names instead. These forms were chosen to force the use of the minority language and to avoid confusion over identity. I honestly do not think that Wikipedia need to force any use at all, and the matter of confusion is non-existant, as the articles explain the matter. - BsL 02:15, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

I disagree with Labongo's proposal of using the "double names". User BsL puts the case well, so I may be repeating some of his points but anyway:

• The name Porsanger Porsángu Porsanki might give a reader with no prior knowledge the impression that this is the name of the municipality in some language - whereas we all know, of course, that it is not. No one would, in everyday speech or writing, ever use the phrase Porsanger Porsángu Porsanki to refer this municipality in any language. Norwegian speakers would use Porsanger, Sami speakers Porsangu and Kven speakers Porsanki. No one will ever google "Guovdageainnu Kautokeino" to try to find the article for that municipality.
• The official name is not commonly used in wikipedia - the article about Norway is not under Kingdom of Norway. But anyway, Porsanger Porsángu Porsanki is not the official name either - that would be, in English, Porsanger Porsángu Porsanki municipality.
• The web-page of Porsanger municipality uses Porsanger kommune in large lettering, and beneath it Porsánggu gielda - Porsangin komuuni. This clearly shows that we are talking about three different forms of the name - not one name including three different words.
• Kautokeino's webpage opens with the headings Kautokeino kommune - Guovdageainnu suohkan next to each other. No mention of Guovdageainnu Kautokeino municipality.
• Last but not least, I object to Labongo's way of introducing the discussion: "Such discussions are a waste of everybody’s time" etc. In other words, no one wants to discuss this, therefore we have to follow his opinion. This is a cheap trick to try to force his own opinion through - what we in Norwegian would call hersketeknikk.

I don't have a strong opinion on whether the Norwegian, Sami or Kven name should be used for the article title, but I strongly disagree with using all three at the same time.--Barend 10:34, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

I am not entirely sure about Porsanger, but for the other municipalities there is only a single name, and that name is the same in Norwgian, Sami and English: Guovdageaidnu AND Kautokeino (not or). This is the form decided to be used by the people in the municipalities and the Norwegian government (see above). This (awkward) form has most likely been chosen to force the use of the minority language name. But making a decision whether to, and which parts of the official name to exclude will be point-of-view pushing (also no matter which part gets excluded someone will get offended).Labongo 16:00, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Again; the point is that formality is not chosen over commonality on Wikipedia; articles are supposed to be given the name that people use every day, not what you might find in a letter head or a formal text.

Also, the names were not chosen by people in the municipalities, but by the Ministry following requests for bi-lingual names. The names were chosen against the advice of the bodies normally carrying authority on naming issues, and are not even consistent with the form chosen for Troms and Finnmark counties. Below the municipal level almost every significant geographical name in Finnmark exist in at least two languages, often three. For these hundreds, maybe thousands of names, the established practice in all the relevant languages is to use the form most common in that language (see no:Vadsø, se:Čáhcesuolu, fi:Vesisaari, en:Vadsø). What makes the municipalities different from villages, lakes, landscapes and counties? - BsL 18:06, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

My understanding is that the names were changed after a request from the municipality council (kommunestyre), and should hence be regarded as the request of the people in the count. Lakes, rivers etc. has or names and hence any name can be used (the official names are probably defined by Norges Kartverk). The five (still not sure about Porsanger) municipalities are different since they have and names (whether we and the language boards like it or not). These names are to my understanding defined somewhere in the laws of Norway and should hence be regarded as the NPOV name. Any change to the name may be regarded as POV pushing (wether it be the Sami, Norwgian or Kven POV).Labongo 19:21, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't see anywhere that these specific names were requested. No, municipalities are not different; the Ministry simply departed from conventions. Who is to say that the Ministry is not pushing POV when they disregard the advice of both the Norwegian and the Sami language boards? And for the umpteenth time; Wikipedia does not have to abide by another entity's matter of form. - BsL 22:27, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

About the names of other articles. I think names of other places are most relevant, but I don't know anything about the official name(s) of Helsinki and Cardiff. The Norwegian name for Norway is Norge or Noreg (not and), and Norway in english. I cannot see why anyone would get offended if the article was renamed to Kingdom of Norway, or why such a rename could be seen as POV pushing.Labongo 16:00, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

I would certainly expect a renaming of the Norway article to Kingdom of Norway to be met with dissatisfaction, as this would be in breach with established standards on Wikipedia. Of all the thousands of names out there, I don't see why we should break Wikipedia standards for these six municipalities, just because a Ministry made a flawed decision. Hey, even if it was not a flawed decision, there is absolutely no benefit from breaking the standards. - BsL 18:06, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

The difference is that for the municipalities there are probably two or three non-Wikipeida points of view for what the single article name should be (Norwegian, Sami or Kven). Whether to use Norway or Kingdom of Norway is probably not interesting for people outside Wikipedia. I would also like to point out that both Caplex and Store Norske leksikon are using the two and three part names for the municipalities. Labongo 19:21, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

I would like to reiterate that none of these articles had seen any previous debate regarding their names. And yet again; each language have their own namespace on Wikipedia, using the relevant name on each of them, so no issue concerning POV there. For the English language Wikipedia, there is a massively established policy of naming articles in accordance with what is most commonly used, and there is simply no case for swerving away from that in these articles. This is not Caplex, nor Store Norske leksikon; this is Wikipedia. - BsL 22:27, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Further on English and POV; not all of these municipalites have official English language webpages, but Karasjok do. They write Kárášjohka/Karasjok a couple of places, but for the most part this 80% Sami municipality has chosen to use a single name, and where they have done so, the Norwegian name has been used. I'll quote [2]:

Karasjok is a mid-point for travelers in Finnmark,
and a natural point of departure to visit and experience
places of the North Calotte, ie. the North Cape. 
The nearest airports are Banak/Lakselv 80 km away, 
Ivalo in Finland 150 km away and Alta some 200 km from Karasjok.

In the quotation above, all names mentioned are in Norwegian, and all of them have Sami counterparts. Finally, you may consider the local tourist office's English language webpage at http://www.karasjokinfo.no/indexE.html. My conclusion can only be that the people of Karasjok does not share Labongo's worries. - BsL 23:03, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

About naming discussions being a waste of everyones time. I was not referring to this discussion (which had just started), but the many discussions found in most minority/indegenous people articles, about whether to use the minority-poples self denotation or the more commonly used "majority people" name. I still believe they are a waste of time since they don't result in an improved article.Labongo 16:00, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

You haven't got your facts straight. Go to the websites of the six municipalities in question. Kåfjord, Karasjok, Kautokeino, Tana and Porsanger all use exclusively the Norwegian form of the name in the Norwegian web-pages, and exclusively the Sami name in the Sami web-pages. Nesseby uses Nesseby/Unjargga in the Norwegian version, but Unjargga exclusively in the Sami language version. Surely the websites of the municipalities themselves must lend some weight to the argument of what is common usage and formally correct. These municipalities do not have "only a single name", they have different names in different languages.--Barend 16:30, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Turn out I was wrong about the official names. The most resent resolution I have been able to find about this issue is: http://www.lovdata.no/cgi-wift/wiztldles?doc=/usr/www/lovdata/for/lf/ov/ov-20041210-1636.html

"Fastsatt ved kgl.res 10. desember 2004 med hjemmel i lov 25. september 1992 nr. 107 om kommuner og fylkeskommuner (kommuneloven) § 3 nr. 3. Fremmet av Kommunal- og regionaldepartementet. Med hjemmel i kommuneloven 25. september 1992 nr. 107 § 3 nr. 3 vedtar Kongen endring i de tospråklige kommunenavnene Deatnu-Tana, Gáivuotna-Kåfjord, Guovdageaidnu-Kautokeino, Kárášjohka-Karasjok, Unjárga-Nesseby ved at bindestreken oppheves og den samiske og den norske navnformen i kommunenavnet likestilles. Navneendringen skjer med virkning fra 1. januar 2005".

In other words the municipality names are or names without a hyphen. Obviously one of the names must be chosen for the article. I have no strong opinions about which name it should be. The order used in the article should be up to whoever is interested in editing the article. But the article text should specify the language of all names, since each of the names can be used in English.Labongo 15:13, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Then it would seem we are now in agreement.--Barend 17:21, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

So all this for nothing, really? Delightful. Anyway, I am happy with the way Labongo has introduced each of the names in the Porsanger, Karasjok, Kautokeino and Nesseby articles, and suggest the same is done for Kåfjord and Tana. Also, for consistency I suggest the form chosen for the article name is the one that goes first in the article, and is used in the article text. As for which name to choose, I believe the Norwegian name is most commonly used for all these municipalities, but given the vast Sami majority in Karasjok and Kautokeino, I won't object to these using the Sami name. For Porsanger it is Norwegian. While I'm not really sure about Tana, Kåfjord and Nesseby, I believe Norwegian is predominant. - BsL 00:36, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Now, as Labongo has already said, the Templates need to be updated. - BsL 00:43, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

I believe the templates should use all names. Also, the article text should use all names. This way the article name becomes un-inportant, most people should be happy, and the articles may get more contributors (especially from the minorities in each municipality). Labongo 09:58, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes, the templates should use all names, and I suggest they do it like the municipalities themselves do:

• Porsanger kommune, Porsáŋggu gielda, Porsangin komuuni
• Kárášjoga gielda, Karasjok kommune
• Guovdageainnu suohkan, Kautokeino kommune
• Kåfjord kommune, Gáivuona suohkan
• Deanu gielda, Tana kommune
• Unjárgga gielda, Nesseby kommune

Names in that order, each on one line. No or, slash, comma or whatever that isn't part of the name(s).

Using all names everywhere in the article text just seems awkward to me, and I say we should leave it to the other language versions to tend to each minority; this is the English language Wikipedia, no more or less. There are not too many issues like this one out there, but with for example British vs. American English, one stick to one form in each article, not writing "torch" here and "flashlight" there, or the really clumsy "one list of ingredients in many languages"-form of candy bars; "torch/flashlight". With Porsanger it would not just be awkard, it would be ridiculous, and for the sake of uniformity, it should be done the same way in all articles. I would also prefer that you refrain from editing these things in the articles until they are agreed upon. - BsL 10:46, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't know about any administrative entities that have names in multiple languages, where one is not english, and there is no english name. In other words, I don't know how it is done elsewhere in Wikipedia. Also, I don't see any reason why english Wikipedia wants to get into the mess of deciding which name to use. My suggestion was a compromise. I will continue removing any hyphens used in the names since using them is not correct. Finally, the reason why I have such strong opinions about this issue is nicely illustrated here: http://pub.tv2.no/multimedia/na/archive/00140/same_samisk_skil_ve_140356h.jpg. Labongo 11:53, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

I agree with BsL about the templates. I also agree that the article text should only use one name. Two names used throughout simply hampers readibility. I appreciate Labongo's strong opinions, and am sympathetic to his intention, but readibility of the article must be top priority. For example of places with double names where neither is English, see for instance Helsinki and Donostia - and if you're really into controversial names, have a look at Derry.--Barend 18:56, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Those are good examples of how to deal with multiple names (Helsinki) and hyphenated names (Donostia). I am aware of the strong opinions in Kåfjord, and that photo goes to say that someone has a mental problem, but none of these articles had seen discussions over the name, and for Kåfjord that goes for both Norwegian, the Sami and the English versions. The best way for Wikipedia to deal with any matter, is to deal with it in a matter-of-fact way; being neutral is not the same as trying to support every view simultaneously. - BsL 09:27, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

The Helsinki articles uses only Helsinki. The Donostia article mostly uses San Sebastian, sometimes Donostia-San Sebastian, but never Donostia in the article text. The city Derry article uses Derry, due to a compromise where County Londonderry is used for the region. About the lack of previous discussion about the names; I believe the number of active contributors for these, and most other Finnmark/Troms municipality, articles ranges from 0 to 3.Labongo 11:17, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't think we are getting anywhere. So I have decided to stop contributing to these articles, due to my strong views about the importance of cultural equality vs Wikipedia "standards". But I hope someone will clean up the names used in these articles. Labongo 11:17, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

We simply disagree on this matter, and it is unfortunate that so few other editors offer their opinion. I do hope you change your mind about contributing, though. - BsL 12:58, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

New thing - Norway Experts Requested

Hi guys. I just wanted you to know I've added a page where people will be putting Norway requests for experts, and began to identify Norwegian topics with requests for experts: Category:Norway articles needing expert attention. This is part of the expert finding process. Goldenrowley 04:52, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Language map

Anyone game for making a map indicating which areas of Norge have adopted nynorsk, bokmål, both and neither? If someone can show me a map of all of Norge with municipalities outlined, I'll do the gruntwork, although I regret to say that my information will necessarily have to come from the Wikipedia articles. Tomer^talk 02:11, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

FAR

Sverre of Norway has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. Savidan 06:00, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Erik Solheim

The article of Erik Solheim, a Norweigan cabinet member and peace maker, has been vandalised and marred by POV pushing for several weeks now, I hope that members of Project Norway will assist in the protection and expansion of this biography. --Sharz 00:23, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Two articles awaiting creation

I didn't even know about the Wikipedia:Articles for creation scheme when it popped up as I seached for an article on Flekkerøy. It so turns out that an anonymous user uploaded an article last October containing text for both an article on Flekkerøy and Oksøy lighthouse (comp. Norw., Germ.). Flekkerøy articles exist on nb/nn/da. __meco 13:53, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Islands request

Hello. I am adding islands to a table of islands in the North Sea article. However, I cannot find references to some Norwegian islands - only the municipalities they are part of. Please could somebody supply the land areas of Stord, Karmøy and Huftarøy. Cheers! Totnesmartin 17:27, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

You have probably looked at List of islands of Norway by area. Try following its Norwegian wikilink. The list you get then provides those numbers. __meco 18:37, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I will. Totnesmartin 18:43, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

What a strange task for a bot

In the To-do list for Wikipedia:WikiProject Norway which heads this project talk page one of the tasks for the Norbot bot is: "Make sure all the articles on Norwegian writers are good articles." __meco 18:40, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Historical actresses

Hi! I don't know if this is the right place to ask, but iv'e noticed that there's not much about known norwegian women in history. I'm sure they are a lot of them, so i think it would be interesting to read about! For example; why not create a coupple of articles of actresses in Norway in the 19th century? An earlier of course. And male ones, for that matter, at least two of each gender. Just a suggestion! --85.226.235.174 18:54, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

North Sea collaboration

North Sea is the current Article Creation and Improvement Drive collaboration. WikiProject Norway members may find that a relevant focus. I have refrained from rating the article pending the result of the collaboration. __meco 22:17, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Missing, unfinished list

User:Punkmorten/List of villages in Møre og Romsdal has been residing in Punkmorten's user space for a long time now. It's the only list lacking in the county hierarchy, however it needs to be finished before it can be moved to the main namespace. __meco 06:40, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Featured Article Review

Rondane National Park has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. --RelHistBuff 16:03, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Progress Party

With the upcoming kommune- og fylkestingvalg, the articles about the political parties will come more under the spot light. And, especially the article about Progress Party (Norway) is in a sorry story state. It is currently heavily politicized, it is even claimed in the lead that the progress party is radical right-wing, based on ten-year old quotations from foreign researchers. If that wasn't enough, the quoted papers are not even about the progress party or norwegian politcs - the descriptions I could verify, are simply by-sentence remarks, probably because the researcher in question heard a rumour somewhere.

But this is far from the only problem with Progress Party (Norway) article, please read it and consider helping to fix it!

Heptor _talk 11:19, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Deletion review for Norwegian Americans

• Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2007 August 31

Please join the discussion on the List of Norwegian Americans that were deleted. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 00:04, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Category:Norwegian politician stubs -- how best to subdivide?

This stub types is now oversized; if you've any thoughts on how best to split it up into more manageable units, please comment here. Alai 20:16, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

If you take a look at related changes to this category, very little work is being done to these articles currently, so I don't see the use of putting effort in re-arranging the stub category system. Norwegians may not be interested in their politicians for the time being (...?) __meco 20:25, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

The number of articles has increased quite a lot recently (hence it appearing on the WPSS "oversized" list, and hence the proposal to split), so someone is doing something with 'em... Alai 20:47, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Expert review: Vigramør

As part of the Notability wikiproject, I am trying to sort out whether Vigramør is notable enough for an own article. I would appreciate an expert opinion. For details, see the article's talk page. If you can spare some time, please add your comments there. Thanks! --B. Wolterding 17:55, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Proposed deletions (WP:PROD)

• 6 September - expires 11 September
  • 122 Stab Wounds (PROD by User:Dchall1; "122 Stab Wounds was a Norwegian death metal band formed in 1989.") --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 01:10, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Hallvard_Graatop article

Could somebody please try to resolve this dispute. The Norwegian article on the same subject is objective and balanced, and I'd like to replace the current English article with a translation of that one. But the user Wogsland obviously feels that he "owns" this article. leifbk 12:17, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Norwegian Poker Player needing help with Categories.

I just created an article on a Norwegian Poker Player, but could use some help with appropriate categories and was hoping you guys might be able to help out. The article is on Annette Obrestad.Balloonman 08:29, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

I have made additions to the article, so I believe all categories that should be present now are. __meco 10:59, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

The project's "municipality articles" guidelines

So i just realized that this WikiProject has its own guidelines for municipality articles, and that i've not been following them. Instead of changing my own ways, i'll try to change the guidelines. ;) I believe some of them stand in direct opposition to Wikipedia's main policies and guidelines, and make the articles about Norwegian cities, towns and municipalities too different from articles about foreign settlements.

• Key attractions. Articles reading like tourist brochures is a problem we've had in the past and still have, to a certain degree. Naming a section Key attractions doesn't help in that matter, in fact, it probably helps to make articles look more like they've been written by the local tourist office! For the cities, i like calling that kind of section Cityscape, like in Bergen, or Townscape. Of course, those aren't suitable section names in articles about municipalities where there is no real town or city, in those cases i've been using Points of interest myself. None of those names contain a hidden notion about attracting tourists to the municipality.
• Economic basis: I'm not sure why we need to break the consistancy that exists in most articles about foreign cities, towns, municipalities or villages by naming the section talking about the economy of the area anything else than simply Economy.
• Introduction: The established way to write a lead in Wikipedia is to write it as a summary of the main article, however, according to the guidelines in this project, the lead should discuss things that are not mentioned in the rest of the article. Following the Wikipedia guidelines in a standard article about a Norwegian settlement, the lead should ideally contain a very short summary of the history, geography, economy and so on of the settlement, as well as the standard stuff about municipality mergers, etc.
• Community life: In articles about municipalities containing cities and towns, i've found calling this section Administration, Politics, or similar, again to bring them in line with articles about foreign cities.
• Population: Should probably be Demographics, again for consistency.

--Aqwis 22:11, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Should municipality mergers be in the lead? Or in a section called, say, history and then summarized in the lead? Punkmorten 13:33, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

I like putting municipality mergers in the lead, because there's usually not enough to say about the topic be able to summarize it. I mean, how would one summarize two sentences? :) One of the few cases where it's suitable to put information in the lead without repeating it in the body of the article. --Aqwis 13:58, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, some Norwegian municipality mergers are actually quite complicated, spanning more than two sentences. Furthermore they definitely belong in the text body, under a larger section called "history". Punkmorten 16:43, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

I can see now that there are a few articles with long merger histories, but it's not very common. But yes, i agree that it should be summarized if it is long. And i don't mean to say it shouldn't be repeated, just not with exactly the same words: "weaving" it into the rest of the text in the History section would probably be a better idea. --Aqwis 15:53, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Proofreading needed for Trond Hegna

Could anyone proofread Trond Hegna? Sosekopp 19:26, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

"Royal coronations in Norway" article

I have made an article about Royal coronations in Norway and would invite comments to questions in the talk page and suggestion for improvements. -- Nidator ^{T / C} 11:25, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Review needed

Hi, this page Cloroform claims to be about a band from Norway. But it lacks sources completely, I am thinking about speedy but someone from here might point better idea. Thanks. ≈Tulkolahten≈^≈talk≈ 00:12, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

• It is notable, and I will try to rewrite the whole page. Sosekopp (talk) 19:04, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Fløtemysost

Since 9 months there has been a red link from the disambiguation page Prim to Fløtemysost. Could someone check up on this, either (if adequate) by changing the link to brunost, or by writing the article (e.g., translating no:Fløtemysost), or both?

Does anyone of you actually know what this "prim" is from personal experience? Is it something like Swedish sv:messmör?

Med vänlig hälsning, JoergenB (talk) 17:09, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes, prim is something like messmör, and I will translate the pages from Norwegian as soon as possible. Sosekopp (talk) 15:14, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Demonyms

In the infobox for Norwegian municipalities, I have added a line for demonyms and have started populating it for each one. Anyone wants to help out is welcome. The source is the by Språkrådet. --Leifern (talk) 12:33, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

I'd suggest adding a References section with {{reflist}} to every municipality article without one. That way, the Språkrådet reference doesn't have to be an external link. Ideally, every article should have a few citations anyway. --Aqwis (talk – contributions) 12:48, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

I'll do that for the ones that I add demonyms from now on. --Leifern (talk) 14:43, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Lighthouses

I have created List of Lighthouses in Norway, which includes a sortable list of lighthouses. It's incomplete, and I'll add to it as I do the research. I've also started to write articles about each one, but this will take time to finish. Svinøy fyrstasjon made it to the DYK list the other day. --Leifern (talk) 14:43, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Rivers

Another project that needs more work - among other things, there's a much more comprehensive infobox for rivers {{Geobox}} that we should probably use for all rivers in Norway. And there should probably also be an article about the freshwater in Norway. --Leifern (talk) 14:43, 30 December 2007 (UTC)