Talk:Afro-textured hair

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Requested move 14 August 2016[edit]

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The result of the move request was: Listed for 7+ days, unable to gauge a consensus for the move from the discussion despite relisting. (non-admin closure) — Andy W. (talk ·ctb) 00:16, 24 August 2016 (UTC)


Afro-textured hairKinky hair – Shouldn't it be better renamed as "Kinky hair"? It is so odd to see "Afro-textured" like if average people called that hair like that. I can't even imagine people saying "Euro-textured" or "Asian-textured", it sounds so ridiculous. Hair types are straight, wavy, curly and kinky. Also this kind of hair is not restricted to only Africans, as exposed above with a picture of a New Zealander with kinky hair. 148.0.111.15 (talk) 00:32, 14 August 2016 (UTC) --Relisting. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 08:00, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

• This is an important change that should be made as soon as possible. JaneOlds (talk) 01:47, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

  • Oppose: I disagree. Kinky hair is used mostly in American societies. Most people find Kinky/nappy offensive. I agree that "Afro-textured" might not be accurate enough, but it is still the widely accepted name for the hair type, and definitely better than "Kinky". The article lead clearly states that the hair type it is not found only in Africa, and "Kinky hair" already redirects here.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 14:43, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
What is offensive about a descriptive term that is neutral as well as accurate. Would "coiled" be any better, any less offensive? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:30A:C0A1:1530:F565:5A23:2037:E952 (talk) 15:46, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
The definition of "Kinky" doesn't make it in anyway descriptive of the hair type. Afro-textured, on the other hand, does a better job. I don't see anything wrong with "Coiled hair", but has it been used to describe this hair type in reliable sources?--Jamie Tubers (talk) 16:35, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Comment: If you look at Talk:Afro-textured hair/Archive 1, there are all kinds of comments about renaming the page. I've looked through all the notes/references with blue links and here are what the various sources call this type of hair: African hair (2 sources), coily hair, curly black hair, black hair (3 sources), coiled or kinky hair, kinky hair, frizzy hair, "ethnic" hair, nappy hair (with the controversy discussed), and African-American hair. Two interesting observations: many of the sources avoid any term/label whatsoever, and not a single one of the sources (with links, that is) use the term "Afro-textured hair." That said, I did find some sources online that say "Afro-textured hair": this Huffington Post article (which also says "Black hair") and others, plus several scholarly articles. Some scholarly articles also say "African-textured hair." In any case, "kinky hair" does not dominate. Wolfdog (talk) 14:41, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
There is an overwhelming majority usage of "Kinky hair" and it prevails over "Afro-textured hair" and "Coiled hair", so it is clearly a fallacy to affirm that «In any case, "kinky hair" does not dominate». Nika de Hitch (talk) 04:59, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
Actually, the fallacy is to not look carefully at your own findings. The entire first page of your "Kinky hair" GoogleScholar results talks exclusively about "Kinky hair syndrome" or "Kinky hair disease": i.e. Menkes disease. Are you suggesting that Afro-textured hair is an article about a disease? Just because the phrase "Kinky hair" exists commonly in the universe does not make it related to our particular topic. Wolfdog (talk) 14:50, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
Still, even if one excludes -menkes -disease -syndrome -disorder there are still 2,820 results, which is far more than the 107 results of "Afro-textured", and the 1,080 results for "coiled hair". Nika de Hitch (talk) 13:13, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
The term "Afro-textured" does nothing to describe the actual condition of the hair, besides, hyphenated terms like "Afro-American" have fallen from favor and could be considered offensive to some. Do we still call a natural, unprocessed hairstyle an "Afro?" That term has not been in general use for years. JaneOlds (talk) 09:44, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Oppose - While "kinky" may return more results on Google and is the WP:COMMONNAME, we may face some backlash as it is somewhat derogatory. "Coiled" seems like the more neutral description to use. Meatsgains (talk) 16:49, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
Comment: "Kinky" is not derogatory. Nika de Hitch (talk) 06:20, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

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