Talk:Al Salam Stadium (Egypt)

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Requested move 8 November 2018

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The result of the move request was: no consensus to move. (page mover nac) Flooded with them hundreds 15:52, 23 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Al-Salam Stadium (Cairo) → Al Salam Stadium – This stadium is the only one with that name on Wikipedia, so there is no need to have the location included in the title. There is another stadium in Israel called HaShalom Stadium, which means Al Salam Stadium in English, but If you search the internet for Al Salam Stadium, almost all of the results will be about the stadium in Egypt, so I also believe that the disambiguation page should be deleted too. Ben5218 (talk) 19:48, 8 November 2018 (UTC)--Relisting. –Ammarpad (talk) 07:01, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: as long as there are two stadiums of that name, there is no reason to change.Abcmaxx (talk) 09:23, 17 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- @Abcmaxx: Only one of them has this name literally, which is this one. The other stadium located in Israel has a different name, but it means "Al Salam" in English. Ben5218 (talk) 20:52, 17 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 19 March 2019

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The result of the move request was: No consensus to move.(non-admin closure) EggRoll97 ^(talk) 00:02, 27 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Al-Salam Stadium (Cairo) → Al Salam Stadium – There are only two stadiums known as Al Salam Stadium. One located in Egypt and the other in Israel. However only the stadium in Egypt is officially known with that name; the other stadium in Israel is officially known as HaShalom Stadium and sometimes refereed to as Al Salam Stadium. With that being said, I don't think a WP:DAB article (Al-Salam Stadium) is needed. I think that it should be deleted and the stadium in Egypt should be moved to Al Salam Stadium with a WP:HAT added on top of the article to avoid confusion with the other stadium in Israel. The stadiums in Egypt hosts the matches for two top tier sides in Egypt and sometimes it also hosts matches for the Egypt national football team; while the stadium in Israel is the home for two clubs playing in the third and fourth tiers in the country. Thus - deleting the DAB and having a hat note directing to the Israeli one is a good solution in my opinion sine the Egyptian usage is by far the most common. Ben5218 (talk) 16:12, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose as per previous RM. What is the purpose of ambiguating the article [title]? In ictu oculi (talk) 17:08, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

How would that make the article more ambiguous? A DAB is simply not needed. Ben5218 (talk) 17:55, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It would be ambiguating by taking away the information which of two stadiums is meant. In ictu oculi (talk) 19:56, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

There will be a hatnote on top of the article to avoid confusion with the stadium in Israel. Ben5218 (talk) 09:52, 20 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. Giant Snowman 09:04, 20 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Al-Salam Stadium. Giant Snowman 09:05, 20 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. @Shhhnotsoloud and Icewhiz: Mentioned users who participated in a similar discussion about the same stadium started by me earlier this month here; maybe they're interested in joining this discussion too. Ben5218 (talk) 13:24, 25 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support per my comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Al-Salam Stadium - The Israeli stadium (hosting 3rd tier league teams) is much lesser known and is also known in the Hebrew form of its name (Hashalom). The Egyptian stadium is clear the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC and should occupy the non-disambiged page with a hatnote directing to the Israeli one. Icewhiz (talk) 13:35, 25 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support per my comments at AFD, and redirect Al-Salam Stadium there too. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:45, 26 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The actual name of the stadium is Al-Salam staduim احمد سامي (talk)

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Requested move 14 August 2020

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The result of the move request was: Moved to Al Salam Stadium (Egypt). There is no consensus here to move to the Al Ahly name, but nobody is saying the present name is explicitly good, and there is some support for going back to the previous title, before the Undiscussed move. Some editors said "wait", for the naming situation in English to become clearer, obviously if the situation is clearer some months from now then a new RM could be opened. — Amakuru (talk) 07:21, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

El-Salam Stadium → ? – Okay so, on 4 December 2019, Egyptian football club Al Ahly announced that they acquired the stadium from the Egyptian Ministry of Military Production until 2045, and announced that the stadium's name will be changed to Al Ahly Stadium. Few days ago, exactly on 12 August 2020, the stadium's official name was officially changed to the name mentioned before, and banners around the stadium showing that the full name is Al Ahly WE Stadium, while at the same time, it also showed the old name, Al Salam Stadium, below those banners. However, the club president of El Entag El Harby, a club owned by the Egyptian Ministry of Military Production that used to play their home matches on that stadium, released a statement yesterday stating in it that "the stadium's official name didn't change from Al Salam Stadium and won't ever change.". Now for my moving proposal we have two options here: The first one is to move the article to Al Salam Stadium (Egypt) as the proper way to spell the stadium (which was the article's name before a user moved it to Al Ahly Stadium, then another user moved it to its current informal name); while the second option is to move it to Al Ahly Stadium, which a lot of online sources started to use already. Personally I don't mind either but I'd lean to the first proposal, though at the same time it might be better to wait for other sources to clear things up. Ben5218 (talk) 00:32, 14 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Oppose - no sources provided and nomination is rambling. I don't understand what you want to do or why. GiantSnowman 15:42, 14 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- @GiantSnowman: What I'm trying to say in a nutshell is that the stadium's name was changed to Al Ahly Stadium according to reports in Egypt, while other sources say that the name didn't change from Al Salam Stadium. The current name is simply not correct, as there the stadium was never refereed to as El-Salam but known in English instead as Al Salam. Sorry if I didn't make it clear what I meant to say, it's been a while since the last time I spend time on Wikipedia. For the sources, we have FilGoal, Masrawy and [Egypt Today stating that the name was changed to Al Ahly, while the Egyptian Football Association, Al Masry Al Youm, El Shorouk News, Yalla Kora and FilGoal (again) stating that the name is still Al Salam, with most of them quoting parts of the statement released by El Entag El Harby president. Cheers. Ben5218 (talk) 17:14, 14 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  - What is the club saying? GiantSnowman 19:13, 14 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    - Al Ahly Stadium or New Al Ahly Stadium. Ben5218 (talk) 20:51, 14 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Wait for sources. Obviously the "WE" shouldn't be included as that's a sponsor, so the reasonable options are Al Salam Stadium (Egypt) or Al Ahly Stadium. At this time, we don't know which name sources prefer. O.N.R. ^(talk) 16:25, 14 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- @Old Naval Rooftops: Did another search right now, most Arabic sources used Al Ahly until El Entag El Harby's president statement was released. Since then, the majority of these sources started to use both names, Al Ahly and Al Salam. It's super confusing to be honest, but I think I'm leaning to Al Salam Stadium (Egypt) rather than the other one. Ben5218 (talk) 17:14, 14 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  - Comment: Arabic sources are only of relevance here if we have no English sources. Andrewa (talk) 03:13, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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