Talk:Ancient Greek art

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Images in lead[edit]

Let's get some, instead of those terrible templates. Johnbod (talk) 00:24, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Use of galleries in this article[edit]

With this edit, I removed the galleries in this article and rearranged the pictures. My justification for doing so is based on WP:GALLERY, and on the comment made at Wikipedia:The Core Contest/Entries § Ancient Greek art. Johnbod reverted my edit, so I am requesting wider discussion here. What do people think about the use of 6 individual galleries in this article, distributed among the sections? —  crh 23  (Talk) 19:00, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

I will be doing a lot of changes to the article for the Core Contest, certainly including increasing the image sizes, and improving the selection, as well as expanding the text. But there will be galleries, in fact more of them! I suggest people wait until I'm finished. It's strange User:Crh23 did nothing about the majority of images fixed at 100px, then complains things are too small. Johnbod (talk) 19:05, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
I was part way through my cleanup: I had intended to continue this evening, I figured doing so would be OK as there is no rush and (at least IMO) my incremental edit was still an improvement on how the page was. Thanks for doing the cleanup that needs doing, images are tricky to implement uncontroversially (as evidenced here! Face-tongue.svg).—  crh 23  (Talk) 19:10, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

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Mosaics[edit]

Mosaic art seems like a major aspect of Greek artwork, at the very least one of the best preserved forms of art from the Greek world. Pottery and metalwork are more ubiquitous, it is true, and perhaps we have way more surviving examples of monumental statuary and figurines. However, mosaics are found in numerous ancient Greek archaeological sites and they're certainly more copious than the amount of surviving wall paintings, murals and frescoes (albeit less numerous than vase paintings). Instead of having a section of its own like pottery, figurines and monumental sculpture, talk of mosaic art is merely relegated to "other arts", as if it were a minor one. I don't think it is. I think it deserves its own section and if nobody minds, I think I'll carve out a new section for it. Pericles of AthensTalk 17:32, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

No objection here. Paul August 18:03, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
Please go ahead. Ceoil (talk) 18:04, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the encouragement! I've done it! I'll expand the section further in the coming days, if not today, but I already have a new paragraph and a neat little gallery with some new fantastic images: --Pericles of AthensTalk 19:29, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
Macedonian tomb fresco from Agios Athanasios, Thessaloniki, Greece, 4th century BC.

I could also add more images of paintings, if you guys have no qualms with that. It's another major section of the article that lacks a little demonstrative gallery. --Pericles of AthensTalk 19:29, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

I have now added this gallery to the painting section, along with the following image to the right. Pericles of AthensTalk 20:13, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

@Johnbod: quite honestly, I'd like to know what you think of these additions. I'm just glad to have found a worthy contribution by François Chamoux explaining the impact of Hellenistic mosaic art on both Roman mosaics and Medieval mosaics. --Pericles of AthensTalk 20:53, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm fine with the mosaic section, though it does remain a secondary form - everything that survives was on the floor, which has never been a position of great prestige. I think there may be a couple too many of the Macedonian paintings (there is one in the lead also) and the gallery maybe should be below the wall-paintings section. Johnbod (talk) 02:06, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

I know this is kind of a late entry to the discussion, but wanted to say that I appreciate PericlesofAthens's recent additions to this article and I think that they are improvements. --Katolophyromai (talk) 03:40, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

@Katolophyromai: thank you kindly! Feel free to take a look at the new article I just created as well: Mosaics of Delos! :) --Pericles of AthensTalk 06:08, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

I checked out the article Mosaics of Delos. It looks great--very impressive! I am astonished you were able to write so much material in just one day. --Katolophyromai (talk) 15:05, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
Yes, very nice! Johnbod (talk) 15:18, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
Thanks, guys! I've already consulted four different sources and I'm going to shoot for Good Article status at some point, perhaps after a requested peer review. --Pericles of AthensTalk 19:00, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

@Johnbod: good points. I have replaced what was basically a duplicate image of a Macedonian soldier (since he now appears in an image to the right) with a painting of Hellenistic Egypt depicting a thureophoroi-type soldier of the Ptolemaic army. That adds a bit more variety methinks. I also moved the gallery down to the end of the "panel and wall painting" section, per your suggestion. I hope you find these changes to be suitable. I know what you mean about mosaics playing second fiddle to the prestige of paintings in ancient Greek culture, but nevertheless in terms of surviving artwork they form a major corpus of available material for study, especially in understanding now lost works of Greek painted art. I have no plans to expand the section on mosaics, but I certainly think this art form merits its own sub-section.--Pericles of AthensTalk 06:08, 17 July 2017 (UTC)