Talk:Andrés Nocioni

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Date	Process	Result
September 21, 2006	Good article nominee	Not listed
September 21, 2006	Good article nominee	Listed
November 9, 2008	Good article reassessment	Kept
April 26, 2009	Good article reassessment	Delisted
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Changes

I changed his height to 6-8, I know the NBA and also various US sports sites have him listed at 6-7, but it's a mistake.

1. His draft measurement says 6-8.

2. He has always been known to be 2.03m in height.

2.03m just happens to equal almost exactly 80 inches, which is 6-8.

The 6-7 listing is a mistake.

I've changed it back to 6-7, unless you can provide a reliable source that shows him to be 6-8, it should remain 6-7. KOS | talk 07:35, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Early professional career, international, olympic

I've added additional info on Nocioni's NBA career, and I've given the NBA section references. Is there anyone that can do the same for is early professional, international, olympic career? KOS | talk 07:35, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'll give it a try, but don't spect much references in English... Mariano(t/c) 14:20, 16 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Titles and Awards section

Those two really should be merged completely into the article, they are too short to warrant their own headline sections. KOS | talk 13:37, 16 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure that's a good-enough reason; after all, he only has one olympic gold medal, and its box is at the very top of the article. Also, the Copa del Rey was not in the text. What about merging them in Titles and awards, or Achievement? I would also add the second place at the World Cup on 2002. BTW, thanks for leaving a msg at my talk page. Mariano(t/c) 14:20, 16 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I can see the "Titles" headline staying as its own section, but his awards are mentioned in the international and NBA sections, why list them again as a separate headline? It just seems quite redundant and unnecessary. :) KOS | talk 16:33, 16 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I would go for a merge between them, but if you don't feel it appropiate, remove the awards. Mariano(t/c) 10:16, 17 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, I'll remove the awards section and see how it looks. If it still does not agree with you, then maybe merging them together will work. Sorry for the late reply, I've been out of town the last 3 days. KOS | talk 11:19, 19 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

GA

It didn't achieve it only because it has no images (Point 6) —Argentino (talk/cont.) 17:47, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

GA re-review

This article meets the GA criteria but there are minor things that can be modified to give the article a better quality overall :

Some weasel words should be removed if possible, see his strength allows him to play some minutes.
A rephrasing of this Nocioni played only 16 minutes, while injuring his ankle. should be done.
He and Ginobili are friends and national teammates. is irrelevant to the article (gives a tone of news broadcasting to it).
Adding a picture isn't a requirement when none can be found.
Copyediting should be done more formally than what I did but it sounds good for GA status. Lincher 20:27, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Argentino and Lincher, for the review, I did my best to address the concerns above, please look them over if you wish, and let me know if they need to be addressed further. KOS | talk 22:11, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sourcing

The text "Nocioni has become a cult favorite among the fans in Chicago ever since he first came to the Bulls. At times you will hear the crowd chant "NO-CI-ON-I" repeatedly when Nocioni is in the game." has a few things wrong with it, it needs to be sourced and it suffers from weasel words. It really doesn't belong. It's also rather POV. KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 20:24, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Andrés Nocioni GA Reassessment

This discussion is transcluded from Talk:Andrés Nocioni/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the reassessment.

This article has been reviewed as part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force in an effort to ensure all listed Good articles continue to meet the Good article criteria. In reviewing the article, I have found there are a number of issues that need to be addressed.

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose): b (MoS):

The prose is OK, Maybe a 6/10.

It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):

Update it. Talk about him at the 2008 Olympics and the last two NBA seasons.--Jackyd101 (talk) 23:40, 27 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'd really like to see some more information about his personal life in the main body of the article, perhaps a section along the lines of: Where exactly was he born and who to; what was his childhood like; where did his go to school, college?; has he ever appeared in the news for any reason relating to his personal life?--Jackyd101 (talk) 23:40, 27 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It follows the neutral point of view policy.
a (fair representation): b (all significant views):
It is stable.
It contains images, where possible, to illustrate the topic.
a (tagged and captioned): b (lack of images does not in itself exclude GA): c (non-free images have fair use rationales):
Overall:
a Pass/Fail:

I will check back in no less than seven days. If progress is being made, the article will remain listed as a Good article. Otherwise, it may be delisted (such a decision may be challenged through WP:GAR). If improved after it has been delisted, it may be nominated at WP:GAN again. Feel free to drop a message on my talk page if you have any questions, and many thanks for all the hard work that has gone into this article thus far. (If you are really busy, let me know and I'll give more time. I need to know however so I can see that someone is interested in addressing these concerns. Regards--Jackyd101 (talk) 23:40, 27 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Question - So if I get what your saying right, you think this article needs more substance? If thats true I can probably find someone experiencied on the subject to put some work into it or maybe do it myself. -Marcusmax(speak) 01:24, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sort of, it specifically needs substance on 1) his personal life and b) developments in the last two years. If you or anyone can supply this then I'd happily pass the article. Please don't feel pressured by time, as long as someone is or inteds to to be working on it I'm happy to hold off the review for as long as possible.--Jackyd101 (talk) 08:00, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Seems like there is a big bulls following on WP:CHICAGO, I can probably find someone. -Marcusmax(speak) 00:28, 1 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The article has improved and I am willing to pass it, although I think there is still room for significant improvement in the years 2006 to present.--Jackyd101 (talk) 20:14, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Personal life

Although I only passed this article at GAR recently, I'm afraid that I made an error and the article should have been placed on hold. The problem is that this article does not have any information on its subject's life outside their sporting career. After a discussion (linked below) on this issue, it was agreed that such information is mandatory for a GA and therefore it will have to be incorporated into the article. I have provided a guide to assist in the development of this information within the article and will wait seven days. If no action has been taken at the end of that period, then I will begin another formal Good Article Reassessment based around this issue (although any new problems or old ones missed during the original review may be raised as well at that time). The relevant wikiproject will be notified and the article will have another seven days in which work on this problem must have begun or it will face delisting. Anyone genuinely trying to solve the problem will be granted as much time as needed, and anyone who disputes the process or outcome of the review is welcome to take it to WP:GAR for wider community comment. Regards --Jackyd101 (talk) 23:34, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Personal life guide

In order for an article on a sports person to qualify for GA, it must contain information on their life outside sports (per this discussion). This can be incorporated into the article in a number of ways, of which the most common (but by no means the only) is to provide two sections. One immediately under the introduction that describes the person's early life prior to their sporting career, and a second after their career to date is described, that covers non-sporting information during their career (and possibly afterwards). These sections should be formed of at least one (and preferably more) complete paragraphs of several sentences, written in readable prose and properly referenced to reliable sources. A good example of this can be seen at Brian Urlacher.

For some sports people (e.g. David Beckham), their life outside of their sporting career is a significant part of their notability: these are special cases which have to be dealt with individually. However, the non-sporting life of all sports persons, alive or dead, is relevant and important to their article - these are biographies, not descriptions solely of their sporting achievements.

Examples of what to include (this list is by no means exhaustive, neither is it a checklist. Not all of this information has to be included, just anything that applies to the person in question):

In early life, it would be useful to describe the date and place of their birth, their parentage and family background, their experiences growing up and the places in which they grew up, schools they attended, youth teams they played for, and any significant events in their lives that affected them.
Personal life should always include information on their family: wife and children. Not the kind of information that would violate BLP (particularly where it applies to children: we shouldn't be told where they go to school for example!) but enough so that we can understand the family of the article's subject. Similarly, many contemporary sports people are famous for relationships that do not end in marriage: relationship speculation often appears in the media and if significant enough can appear in the article.
Negative stuff: drug problems (both sporting and recreational), illegal activities (including fighting and driving offences), gambling problems, extra-martial affairs, becoming victims of robbery or attack, racist abuse (both from and against) and other possibly unsavoury incidents (this is not to suggest that this particular sports person has done any of these things, this is a guide for sports people in general). No Original Research please! All allegations must have appeared in the mainstream media before they can appear here and must be appropriately cited to a reliable source. Significant unproven or unfounded allegations should also be included: see Tony Parker for an example of how these should be dealt with.
Positive stuff: many sports personalities do charity work - this is not always widely published, but can appear on club websites and similar. Sports people are often an advocates for, supporters of or opponents of charities, advocacy groups or social and political movements: this applies both to issues within sports (cheating, drugs etc.) and outside (disease, gang violence, drugs etc.) and is usually an interesting insight into a person's character.
Most sports people have other forms of income. This can take the form of a second (or sometimes a "day") job (e.g. Bobby Charlton was once an electrical fitter and Rory Underwood a fighter pilot). Many sports people have investments in businesses, shares and products, which, if reported, are often significant aspects of their lives outside sport. Likewise, their endorsements, advertisements and sponsors are important: what products do/have they endorsed, what advertisments have they appeared in and in which media. In addition, information about any books they have published, TV appearances made and any work as newspaper or blog correspondants are important additions.
Sports persons can also appear in the media for a range of reasons that have noting to do with the above: car crashes, housing problems and professional feuds are among the many issues that may have made the news and might merit inclusion.

As mentioned, this list is far from exhaustive and neither is everything on it essential: its more a guide providing ideas for research into the person's life outside sports. For any contemporary or recent sports person, google should provide enough to develop a basic section and for older ones, news articles and books can give plenty of information about their personal lives.

Some sports people are known for a determination to keep their private life private and it may be that very little information can be found about them. In such cases, there will be sources discussing their reluctance to release details about their private life and these can be used as sources in a paragraph talking about their efforts to avoid publicity.--Jackyd101 (talk) 23:34, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Following further discussion, I will hold off on conducting a new review for now, but this may well come up in future. Please improve the article as soon as possible.--Jackyd101 (talk) 00:18, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

New photo

I took a photo this past March at the Kings Vs. Oklahoma City game and I thought it would be useful for the article. It's not the best angle of this face so I didn't replace the one in the lead. Feel free to use it or not as you see fit. ---J.S (T/C/WRE) 19:34, 3 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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