Talk:Attempted assassination of Bob Marley

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Conspiracy theory

Comment: I have worries about WP:NPOV on this topic. While it is important to know the background for the Marley assassination attempt, painting the whole thing as a CIA plot leans too much to one side. Other than that, I would say this should be good to accept. It passes copyright violation checks without any issues. The only other thing I would change is the title. I would say 1976 Assassination attempt against Bob Marley or Bob Marley assassination attempt. Bkissin Legacypac (talk) 19:07, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. This sentence, particularly, "According to Taylor, before one of the shooters was killed, he admitted the job was done for the CIA in exchange for cocaine and guns." implies that it is proven that the assassination attempt was orchestrated by the CIA. Absent such proof, it would be better to write, "...he claimed..." Best regards TheBaron0530 (talk) 19:54, 26 May 2020 (UTC)theBaron0530[reply]

I agree, too. The article needs a total re-write. There are all sorts of issues with WP:OR, WP:SYNTH, and WP:REDFLAG, and many of the sources would fail at WP:RSN. The background of the Jamaican political conflict, with allegations that the CIA was involved, is particular bad. I have removed most of it and preserved it below for future reference. - Location (talk) 18:00, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I found it odd that claimed there were people arrested, tried & executed for the crime when other sources say no one was ever arrested for it. https://www.stabroeknews.com/2012/02/06/news/guyana/reporter-recounts-the-night-bob-marley-got-shot/ I cannot find anywhere the identities of these gunmen who were supposedly tried for the crime. 2601:244:200:2680:ADEF:CEC2:2F8E:BDE9 (talk) 05:11, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Jamaican political conflict

Michael Manley, son of former Premier Norman Manley, was elected Prime Minister of Jamaica in 1972. To address growing inequality in Jamaican society, Manley embarked on several democratic socialist reforms of the state, including land ownership reform, free education from primary to university, and nationalization of certain industries. Such policies had massive popularity among many people in Jamaica, but there were others who either saw the reforms as contrary to their businesses or as a high precursor to a Cuban-style communist government. Beginning in 1974, he was also opposed by the more conservative Edward Seaga of the Jamaica Labour Party (JLP). The JLP used the threat of socialism to build support among property owners and churchgoers, attracting more middle-class support. By 1976 the two politicians hired local gangsters to help them increase their hold on power.

The 1976 elections marked the beginning of a period of political violence in Jamaica. A State of Emergency was declared by Manley's party the PNP in June and 500 people, including some prominent members of the JLP, were accused of trying to overthrow the government and were detained, without charges, in the South Camp Prison at the Up-Park Camp military headquarters.^[1]

Involvement of the United States and CIA

In 1972, Michael Manley assumed leadership under the People's National Party (PNP) as Prime Minister of Jamaica, where he maintained leadership until 1980.^[2] Upon entering office, the Democratic-Socialist prime minister immediately angered US officials by recognizing the Cuban government of Fidel Castro, nationalizing bauxite production, and recognizing the MPLA government of Angola, that was supported by the Soviet Union and opposed by guerillas supported by apartheid South Africa and the United States.^[3] In September 1975, Secretary of State Henry Kissinger visited Jamaica to meet with Prime Minister Manley. During the meeting, Kissinger asked Manley to remain neutral and withdraw support for Cuban troops sent to Angola to fight against the CIA-backed apartheid regime of South Africa.^[4] The day after meeting Kissinger, much to the dismay of the United States, Manley issued a speech strongly supporting Cuban intervention in Angola.^[5]^[4]

CIA Involvement

Manley's opposition, Edward Seaga of the Jamaica Labour Party, was seen by US policymakers as a viable alternative to Manley, reflecting US interests. Seaga experienced a great deal of support from neighborhoods in Kingston such as Tivoli Gardens, home to the Shower Posse, a group known to have smuggled drugs and guns into the country and the United States with the help of the CIA.^[6] In many accounts, the Shower Posse would serve as a key player in the CIA's destabilization strategy in Jamaica.^[7] Former CIA agent Philip Agee revealed that "the CIA was using the JLP as its instrument in the campaign against the Michael Manley government, I’d say most of the violence was coming from the JLP, and behind them was the CIA in terms of getting weapons in and getting money in." ^[8] Leading up to the 1976 presidential elections, violence between rival gangs in Kingston loyal to JLP and PNP increased dramatically. Michael Manley declared a national State of Emergency on June 19, 1976. The State of Emergency lasted until June 1977, almost a year in full.^[9] Michael Manley and the PNP began insinuating that the CIA had an active destabilization plan for Jamaica. "I cannot prove in a court of law that the CIA is here… strange things are happening in Jamaica that we have not seen before."^[6] Through information obtained by PNP spy Albert Robinson, Manley claimed that the Jamaican Police had uncovered a JLP and CIA joint plot to overthrow the government. Allegations of being involved in the organization of a coup in Jamaica have been denied by the CIA. However, According to Manley, the police discovered documents outlining Operation Werewolf, which referenced 23 trained men, 200 rifles, 100 submachine guns, two barrels of gunpowder, and 50,000 anti-government pamphlets, outlining a plot to overthrow the government.^[10] In 1977, two reporters uncovered a "destabilization program" against Manley's PNP government, allegedly organized by the CIA's Jamaican station chief, Norman Descoteaux. According to Gary Webb’s book Dark Alliance, "The campaign included covert shipments of arms to Manley’s opponents, the use of selective violence, bombings, and assassinations, covert financial aid to the conservative Jamaica Labour Party, the fomenting of extensive labor unrest, and bribery."^[7] One of the CIA agents who would later play a key role in the Contra project, Luis Posada Carriles, a Bay of Pigs invasion and Operation Condor veteran, was spotted in Jamaica near the scene of one of the bombings.^[11]

Trial and execution

I had not heard of this incident before seeing it on Wikipedia's front page today (if Will Rogers were alive today I'm sure he would say "I only know what I read in Wikipedia"), so excuse my ignorance, but it appears that the trial and execution of the perpetrators was extrajudicial. The article should clarify this point. Zeno Cosini~enwiki (talk) 00:39, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ The Daily Gleaner, Monday, 6 July 1986, p. 14.
^ "Jamaican Rumblings". 25 August 1980. Retrieved April 1, 2018 – via www.washingtonpost.com.
^ "Popular Movement for the Liberation of Angola POLITICAL ORGANIZATION, ANGOLA". Retrieved June 19, 2018.
^ ^a ^b "Kissingers operations to destabilize" (PDF). Retrieved April 1, 2018.
^ "The Kissinger-Cuba-Angola-Jamaica Connection". Retrieved April 1, 2018.
^ ^a ^b Gane-McCalla, Casey (2016). Inside The CIA's Secret War In Jamaica. Los Angeles, CA: Over The Edge Books. ISBN 978-1-944082-07-9.
^ ^a ^b Webb, Gary (1999). Dark Alliance. New York, New York: Steven Stories Press. ISBN 978-1-60980-621-7.
^ "JFK" (PDF). Retrieved April 1, 2018.
^ ""State of Emergency 1976"". Retrieved April 1, 2018.
^ "US Embassy in Jamaica Cable: MEETING WITH PRIME MINISTER MANLEY". Retrieved April 1, 2018.
^ "Cia Agent" (PDF). April 1, 2018.

Requested move 24 June 2020

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The result of the move request was: moved -- JHunterJ (talk) 11:14, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

– For consistency, as articles dealing with such attempts are more commonly at "Attempted assassination of..." titles, which tracks with the substantially more common usage of "Assassination of..." titles. I also find this construction to be grammatically more precise, as "[Person's name] assassination attempt" title could refer to an attempt by that person to carry out an assassination. BD2412 T 01:05, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: I have deliberately omitted titles merely indicating threats, plots, or multiple attempts, as I do not believe that these are clearly conveyed by "Attempted assassination of" titles. Some of these include:

BD2412 T 02:43, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support for your argument above. 36.68.166.61 (talk) 04:07, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom, but with additional of 8 move requests that omitted. 114.125.251.155 (talk) 06:27, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nomination and per efforts to be WP:CONSISTENT with regard to titling forms for entries listed under Category:Attempted assassinations of Presidents of the United States and its parent Category:Failed assassination attempts. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 08:27, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Much clearer and more consistent. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:57, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support as consistent and less ambiguous.--Bob not snob (talk) 05:04, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom to be more consistent. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:28, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

No mention of Marley calling Manley and Seaga to the stage during the Smile Jamaica concert is shocking

Is their some domestic edit war going on? How can that not be part of this article?96.240.128.124 (talk) 17:21, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

[jg-1] The Daily Gleaner, Monday, 6 July 1986, p. 14.

[2] "Jamaican Rumblings". 25 August 1980. Retrieved April 1, 2018 – via www.washingtonpost.com.

[3] "Popular Movement for the Liberation of Angola POLITICAL ORGANIZATION, ANGOLA". Retrieved June 19, 2018.

[larouchepub.com-4] "Kissingers operations to destabilize" (PDF). Retrieved April 1, 2018.

[5] "The Kissinger-Cuba-Angola-Jamaica Connection". Retrieved April 1, 2018.

[auto-6] Gane-McCalla, Casey (2016). Inside The CIA's Secret War In Jamaica. Los Angeles, CA: Over The Edge Books. ISBN 978-1-944082-07-9.

[auto1-7] Webb, Gary (1999). Dark Alliance. New York, New York: Steven Stories Press. ISBN 978-1-60980-621-7.

[8] "JFK" (PDF). Retrieved April 1, 2018.

[9] ""State of Emergency 1976"". Retrieved April 1, 2018.

[10] "US Embassy in Jamaica Cable: MEETING WITH PRIME MINISTER MANLEY". Retrieved April 1, 2018.

[11] "Cia Agent" (PDF). April 1, 2018.

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