Talk:List of dog crossbreeds
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As with the other nominated merges, this is a non notable designer cross. Suggest merging into List of Dog Hybrids.
I suggest we merge beaglier because the breed is a crossbreed between a beagle and a King Charles Spaniel hybrid, both of which would be pure bred.
I noticed that User:Wraith808 added the merge tag suggesting that Morkie be merged into this article. I am starting a discussion since Wraith808 did not start one. I feel that the article should be merged since notabliity from third party sources has not been established. Nine of the ten sources are breeder websites. The tenth source is not a reputable registry.Coaster1983 (talk) 17:37, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
Merged into the list as of this afternoon. Added image from Morkie to top right of article, felt it illustrated the differences between two different crosses of the same type quite well. Miyagawa (talk) 12:58, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
I un-merged the "Morkie" page (sorry, I didn't see this discussion prior to doing it). However, I believe the Morkie deserves it's own page because it is a fairly popular hybrid dog breed. Not only that, but the purpose of Wikipedia is to provide information and knowledge on certain subjects to interested parties. While the Morkie page could definitely be expanded, even in it's current form it provides valuable information about the breed to people who may be interested. Simply have the Morkie included in the list of hybrid dogs does not provide any information on the hybrid itself. If the article is merged, users that actually want information on the breed won't be able to get it from Wikipedia. Falconhs02 11:45, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
The decision was made to merge this article. This resolved decision should be respected. This is a non-notable cross and despite what the above poster says, it is NOT a breed. Suggest info be placed with info on other portmanteau names in List of Dog Hybrids. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 15:22, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
I propose that Corgidor be merged into this list since it is a one line stub that is backed up by a non-reliable source (Dog Breed Info). This crossbreed lacks standalone notability.Coaster1983 (talk) 17:52, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
- Delete At best move to List of dog hybrids JoKing (talk) 02:12, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
- Merge and redirect to List of dog hybrids. Miyagawa (talk) 11:57, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
- If chorkie was merged here, then why does it not have even a mention or spot on the page? Do you mean to say that the page now points here and this crossbreed doesn't even merit a mention? I don't get it, unless it was simply overlooked. CyberCosmiX (talk) 09:08, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
- There are very many hybrids which are not notable enough to warrant articles nor even a mention on this page. It does seem sensible if these names point here – what else would we do with them...? If on the other hand they are notable, then no reason why they cannot have their own articles and be mentioned here. Richard New Forest (talk) 21:53, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
Scope, notability, omissions
It seems to me that this article has got rather out of hand. We have a long list of first-cross dogs most of which have nothing whatever notable about them other than their amusing portmanteau names (which are already well covered by Dog hybrid#Portmanteau names). Few of them have any encyclopaedic info, and I suspect that most have been added by loyal owners. Certainly very few have any refs to support their existence, let alone notability. How many of them have owners' clubs or any other external recognition? Indeed, have more than a few of them ever been bred deliberately?
I think we should prune the list quite a bit. How about:
- A list of recognised breeds or types of hybrid origin
- A list of recognised crosses
We would strictly limit the inclusion in either of these lists to those with articles or supporting refs (which of course we do have to do anyway in WP). I imagine that the list would be perhaps a quarter its current length.
I realise that there may be people with strong emotional attachment to inclusion of "their" particular type in these lists. However, as we know, Wikipedia is not just there to provide us with a place to exhibit our own family pets, and it is by including every one-off type that we've ended up with the unwieldy list we have now. To have a credible encyclopaedia we do sometimes need to be ruthless. It might help editors to think about this dispassionately by imagining a list of, say, cattle hybrids. Would we consider the "Limouford", "Gloucestergus" or "Highman" worth listing? (This is not as far-fetched as it might appear – portmanteau names are also popular with creators of cattle breeds, and there are many genuine notable ones such as Brangus, Senepol and Beefalo.)
- I think you bring up some excellent points. I agree that this article shouldn't become a list of everyone's favorite one-off hybrid. I'm in favor of deciding upon specific rules for which hybrid dogs should be included and agree that a list of recognized breeds/types of origin crosses and recognized crosses is a good place to start. What about including crosses that are bred for specific purposes but not necessarily sold? I don't know if this is appropriate for this article or not. For example, Summit Assistance Dogs in Anacortes, WA (http://www.summitdogs.org) has been breeding Rough Collie-Labrador Retriever mixes for use as service dogs. They've been calling them "Collieadors" though I've wondered if linguistically, the vowels should merge and the name should be Collidor, Colledor or Collador. (This is outside my area of expertise, however, so hopefully a linguist will see this and comment.) Please see the following links for examples of these dogs and more information:
- http://summitdogs.org/training.html ("D" litter pups Dawson, Denali and Dixie)
- http://summitdogs.org/grads.html ("A" litter pups Annie & Alki in 2007 and "B" litter pups Bridget, Brooklyn, Bergy and Beauty in 2008)
- http://summitdogs.blogspot.com/2008/07/some-updates.html (C litter)
- http://summitdogs.blogspot.com/search/label/D-Litter (D litter)
- No, we don't have to be limited to what is sold – if there's good evidence for its existence, then we can include it. As for everything else, if there is good evidence we can include it, and if not, not: this goes for the names used too. If "Colleador" is the name used in published information, that's what we have to use, even if we can think of something more logical – if the sources called them, say, "Wooblethrip" that's what we'd have to go with...
- Though actually "Colleador" seems as good as anything to me – perhaps the echo of "Toreador" is deliberate. (Wonder why they don't use "proper" collies such as Borders, which are surely much brighter and keener than Rough Collies.) Anyway I don't think portmanteau words are required to be strictly logical linguistically. Just think of Humpty Dumpty himself, who first explained them, and then in almost the same breath maintained that the "wabe" (also mentioned in Jabberwocky) was the name for the area around a sundial and was so called because it went "a long way behind it, a long way before it, and a long way beyond it on either side"... Portmanteaus are a word game, and so we can have fun with them. Richard New Forest (talk) 20:37, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
On a quick look through, I think we could include the following:
- Breeds or types of hybrid origin
- Alsatian Shepalute
- American Bully
- American Mastiff
- Bull Terrier
- Irish Wolfhound
- Rough Collie/Smooth Collie
- Shetland Sheepdog
- Silken Windhound
- Wolf-dog hybrid
- Common first-cross hybrids
- Australian Collie
- Catahoula Bulldog
- Poodle hybrids
I've included those that have articles (though some of those do seem of dodgy notability) and those with refs that are more than a trivial entry in a list (though in fact even the better refs are mostly of poor quality). I've excluded sub-types, derivatives and breeds of unknown or unclear hybrid origin, such as the Doberman Pinscher. Richard New Forest (talk) 21:35, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
- No further comments. Any more before I implement changes as above? Richard New Forest (talk) 15:21, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
Time to grow the list. Notability does not govern lists and I really don't care for the attitude here. All "purebreds" start as "crossbreeds"...and about the only people who care are uptight owners and breeders with a monetary stake. I've been living with "Boradors" for most of my life - not finding them here is offensive. I value intelligence, demeanor, and agility. Show me a dog that can best my offspring. With few exceptions, I view most "purebreds" as nobility - that is, inbred failures with a limited gene pool. -- Signed Buddy, canine at large (my master told me to) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 23:12, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
- The Klee Kai is a distinct recognized breed, not a hybrid. Zetawoof (ζ) 23:19, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
- Since there are so many designer breeds and mixes, only the most notable are supposed to be included here, one would think. Labradoodles, Puggles, Lurchers, et. al. are all notable in their own right. That section probably needs some cleanout, anyway -- why list it here if it doesn't have an article? — anndelion ※ 21:21, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
- [Edit conflict] Clearly there are hundreds of crosses that could be listed, and so we have to try to keep the list to a sensible length (see discussion above). We therefore limit the list to types which which have good independent references to show they are regularly bred on purpose. If there are such refs for the type you mention, then we should include it. Do you know of any? Richard New Forest (talk) 21:33, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
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Finding Beaglier puppies for sale from Beaglier breeders
Beagliers can still be classed as being fairly rare at this stage and locating a Beaglier breeder can be a little difficult but one of the best ways is to go through a breeders agent. They will have contact with many different breeders and will usually be informed first of when litters are planned or available. A reputable breeders agent will also be able to provide you with further information on the care of your Beaglier puppy as well as ensuring that the puppy has had the appropriate vaccinations, worming etc and is the right age to go to their new home.
^I cut this from the actual article because I don't think it should be in an encyclopedia article. For example, the wikipedia article on 'Beagle' doesn't have a section on acquiring beagles. Probably discuss on here if you disagree with me? Professordad42 (talk) 18:13, 17 June 2013 (UTC)professordad42
The big image
Yes, I did. Also, I did not create this image. Someone else did, and that person may not necessarily like my resizing it (though I think few Wikipedia articles that I've seen are formatted like the article was before my edit) Professordad42 (talk) 18:35, 17 June 2013 (UTC)professordad42
I'm going to spend part of today sourcing the breeds in this list; if I can't find references for them I'm going to pull them. Feel free to relist them with sources because you probably have access to sources I do not. --TKK bark ! 14:56, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
German Shepherd Collie dog
I wonder if the German Shepherd Collie dog really is counted as a BREED of a hybrid background, or just a cross-breed (the second list)? Is it registered by any kennel organization (other than designer dog registry)? --Canarian (talk) 09:54, 19 June 2014 (UTC)