Talk:Briahna Joy Gray

Old enough

... to run for president! ---Dagme (talk) 21:18, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Please use the talk page to suggest edits to the main article. -- Sleyece (talk) 16:27, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

Internship at Science magazine

https://www.aaas.org/person/briahna-gray-2006-intern

Briahna Gray, 2006 Intern

From the beginning, my experience at Science was one of independence and discovery. Given the freedom to pursue the subjects of my choosing and to write and research with minimal guidance, the internship taught both the skills of the trade and how to use them to the greatest effect. From day one we were expected to use an array of internet tools to seek out stories that we thought were worth reporting on. While this was initially disconcerting, it soon became clear that choosing the story—being able to recognize not only what was news worthy but what would make a good article for Science—was as important a skill to nurture as any other.

--Nbauman (talk) 19:32, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Here's the one Science article I found.

Artificial Arrays Could Help Submarines Make Like a Fish

By Briahna Gray | Sep 8th, 2006

BIOENGINEERING Artificial Arrays Could Help Submarines Make Like a Fish :Briahna Gray An interdisciplinary team has developed nanostructures that mimic how marine animals hunt, evade predators, and stay in the swim of things

DOI: 10.1126/science.313.5792.1382

Science Vol. 313, No. 5792

--Nbauman (talk) 23:29, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

History of Science major

BJG mentioned on Bad Faith that she was a history of science major.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-98D-F4uOOU
Why "Trust Science" Might Not Beat Dr. Oz w/ David Weigel & Abdul El-Sayed
Bad Faith
Dec 9, 2021
--Nbauman (talk) 17:55, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Synthesis

WP:SYN is the combining of separate sources to develop an assertion that neither source supports in total. That's what's going on with this WP:DOB. DOB is one of the more sensitive areas of WP:BLP so unless someone can come up with a reliable source that explicitly states her date of birth, please do not restore her date of birth. Toddst1 (talk) 15:33, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

You weren't very "sensitive" about randomly accusing me of edit warring without any context. I was following bold, revert and talk, but you were just mad I reverted YOUR edit, and jumped the gun because you're an Admin and feel like you can. -- Sleyece (talk) 16:29, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

Recent edits & reversions - *not* about DOB...

A large chunk of text with references has been removed, repeatedly, and I am wondering as to the exact why for some of it.
Now, I can understand removing the Gravel Institute/YouTube linkage - that citation says nothing about Ms. Gray. I can understand the removal of the DOB as SYNTHESIS. (As an aside to at least one edit summary, I would like to mention - per Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources#YouTube - that a YouTube link can be used as a ref, if the account is a reliable source's official account.)
Now, on to the large chunk of text with references:

Since Sanders' 2020 Democratic primary campaign ended, Gray has returned to her role as contributing editor at Current Affairs in addition to co-hosting the Bad Faith podcast with Chapo Trap House co-host Virgil Texas. One of the podcast's most discussed episodes was an October 2020 debate with Noam Chomsky, who implored listeners to vote for Joe Biden as a second Trump presidency would be more detrimental for the world; Chomsky has referred to the Republican Party as one of the most dangerous organizations on Earth, largely due to the party's actions regarding global warming. Conversely, Gray and Texas argued that progressives should only be willing to vote for one of the major parties if certain standards are met.

The above text is sourced from The Independent & Current Affairs - The Independent, especially, is generally as being reliable and Current Affairs , while perhaps not reliable for matters against its editorial stance, would be reliable for proving that Gray works there now and for other possibilities (I am not familiar with the third source - Areo Magazine). I guess I'm missing something because I don't see why that entire section should be removed - if someone could lay out what the issue is, that would be helpful...otherwise shouldn't at least some of this content be restored? Shearonink (talk) 16:27, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

I would keep Since Sanders' 2020 Democratic primary campaign ended, Gray has returned to her role as contributing editor at Current Affairs in addition to co-hosting the Bad Faith podcast with Chapo Trap House co-host Virgil Texas. and cut the rest. I can't find a source that supports that the Oct 2020 episode was one of the podcast's most discussed episodes, and the specifics of the debate are WP:UNDUE for Gray's biography. Just my 2¢. Schazjmd (talk) 16:55, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

References

I agree with Schazjmd. Toddst1 (talk) 18:36, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

I also agree with Schazjmd. -- Sleyece (talk) 22:37, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

Schazjmd's solution is fine with me. I just didn't want to change/add/edit that section and inadvertently wade into some other issues I was unaware of... Shearonink (talk) 02:07, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

Brie's recent eye-roll moment

While Brie's recent behaviour is abhorrent, it isn't discussed widely enough to be included on this page. In fact, I don't think it's been mentioned so far outside of Twitter. Therefore, I removed the content, as there wasn't any secondary source backing it up. If the situation changes, please feel free to include it. BeŻet (talk) 17:34, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

I agree with @BeŻet:. Unless independent sources give this any coverage, it's WP:UNDUE for inclusion. Schazjmd (talk) 18:46, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

"Her recent behaviour is abhorrent".

That is not a statement of fact. Her reason for making the statement is very valid in the context of the conversation that was being had.

Her statement has been clipped to remove the nuance of the conversation and her overall concern as to how the US chooses to allocate funding to one foreign cause versus another.

I have not seen anyone address the concerns she was raising. (Which is the point of what she was saying. CompliantStan (talk) 03:40, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

@CompliantStan: Her statement has been clipped - **she** did the clipping, and she even pinned her tweet with that clip. And if you haven't seen anyone address the concerns she was raising, there are thousands of people online you can read, for example highlighting that all the other events she mentioned combined have had a lot smaller death toll compared to the situation in Ukraine. BeŻet (talk) 12:04, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

What nuance is there? She rolled her eyes and denied that ethnic cleansing is taking place, she treats acts of genocide as charity. There is no legitimate "nuance" to be found here, it's unambiguously evil. 69.158.89.35 (talk) 11:44, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

She rolled her eyes with regard to the claimed necessity of US involvement, pointing out that US involvement is not as claimed based humanitarian reason but to further its geopolitical agenda. A geopolitical agenda she personally thinks is not worth to spend resources on. One might disagree with that assessment but there is hardly anything evil and pretty much the same goes with the supposed antisemitism accusation further down below. This is exactly why we have these Wikipedia policies to summarize notable and reliable external sources to keep editors from dragging their individual views of person or their personal moral panic about somebody into Wikipedia articles.--Kmhkmh (talk) 01:37, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia articles don't document everything a person said or did; they summarize what independent reliable sources say about her. Schazjmd (talk) 15:39, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

It's now well summarized and this is a high profile issue she has chosen to engage in. It is therefore meaningful. Helpingtoclarify (talk) 18:39, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Antisemitism

This article needs to cover Gray's denial of sexual violence perpetrated by Hamas against Jewish women on October 7, 2023. Gray made abhorrent denials of the proven sexual violence and murder of women, and claimed that the women should give testimony. Women hostages living in tunnels are incapable of giving testimony, as are the hundreds of dead victims from the 10/7 attacks. Her antisemitism needs to be exposed and documented for the world to remember as her legacy. Mneidich (talk) 01:10, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Surely you have some WP:RS that would demonstrate WP:DUE? – Muboshgu (talk) 01:42, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

It's right here in RS and in her own tweets. This is not debatable.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/ex-bernie-sanders-aide-slammed-saying-accounts-israeli-women-raped-hamas-zionist-propaganda

@Muboshguis it your contention she did not make these remarks or just that this isn't significant enough to include? Helpingtoclarify (talk) 18:19, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

That's not RS. WP:FOXNEWSPOLITICS. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:39, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Plenty more

https://jewishinsider.com/2024/01/the-hills-online-show-rising-falls-prey-to-hosts-anti-israel-commentary/

https://bnnbreaking.com/politics/briahna-joy-gray-sparks-controversy-with-comments-on-alleged-rapes-by-hamas-terrorists/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/columnist/2023/12/08/hamas-rape-weapon-israel-progressive-women-silent/71823415007/

Are you contending she didn't try to deny rape occured by Hamas? (well documented, she tweeted it) or that it isn't important to highlight (see last link, the prime minister of Israel called out people perpetuating denialism). Helpingtoclarify (talk) 20:25, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

I am contending that we are an encyclopedia and not a newspaper. WP:NOTEVERYTHING is encyclopedic content. Some random tweet she fired off that set off opinion columns on the other side and then died off are in that category. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:16, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

 Comment: This conversation is related to WP:PIA, which allows only extended-confirmed editors to make edits in the topic area. Wracking ^talk! 16:29, 1 May 2024 (UTC)