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Removal of Spanish-Filipino category

I would like to remove this category.--Jondel 09:59, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Nobel Peace Prize nomination

She is also the first Filipino to be nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize after leading the bloodless EDSA revolution during the time of Marcos. [1]

Being nominated for the Peace Prize is an honor, but it is not official or even prestigious. Any national legislator or about a third of the university professors in the world can make a nomination, and there have been as many as 140 some years. Nominators are requested to keep their nominations secret, so it's only those wishing publicity who make announcements, and more often it is impossible to verify. In this case, there's no way of knowing if she was the first Filipino nominated. I see no reason to keep this material. No offense to the subject, this is a general Nobel Peace Prize "nominees" issue. -Will Beback · † · 08:11, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Please undo gratuitous Hermosisima references

This is an article about Corazon Aquino, not Regino Hermosisima. Why is it relevant to the Corazon Aquino article that Regino Hermosisima was appointed to the Supreme Court, or to the Judicial and Bar Council? Unless Corazon Aquino and Regino Hermosisima have some secret close relationship, those references do not belong here. The fact that they are there severely weakens the credibility and integrity of this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.52.36.44 (talk) 03:15, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Cory Aquino - Woman of the Year.jpg

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Colon cancer

Breaking news.... 76.115.141.53 (talk) 07:24, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

It should have been discovered since Cory was hospitalized, lately, but she was not brave when she faced the doctors at that first instant. Had she been brave, she could have made it early. It is TOO LATE now. Cancer is caused by DNA, genes factors and of course by stress, anger, bitterness, hatred and vengeance. If only Cory did bestow mercy upon Ferdinand Marcos who begged mercy to lay dying in his homeland, if only Cory gave compassion to Imelda Marcos, and if only the Cojuanco-Aquino family had a bit of mercy, kindness and compassion upon Ferdinand Marcos having knelt before her, the war of the roses would not have persecuted Filipinos. Colon cancer is one of the dire punishments or curses upon SIN. St. Paul said that death comes from sin, and sin comes from law: the Rule of Law of Chief Justices Hilario Davide, Jr., Reynato Puno and Artemio Panganiban - the law of anger, vendetta and hypocrisy. There is no avenue or via to ferret the truth than use the Psalm 109 or biblical curse to cleanse these most powerful leader of hatred in their hearts. This is the essence of the rule of mystic dwarves, called elven supremacy. - --Florentino floro (talk) 08:36, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Contrary to what the first user's comment in this section claims, colon cancer is not caused by negative feelings, nor is it a punishment from any god. Nietzsche 2 (talk) 03:13, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Corazon or Corazón

It's Corazón in the lede, but Corazon in the title and most everywhere in the text. I'm sure the accented version ó is correct in Spanish ("Corazón" translates as "heart"), and is how she herself spelled her own name. -- JackofOz (talk) 23:37, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

I really don't like them (diacritics), but WP:Diacritics says: "Wikipedia does not decide what characters are to be used in the name of an article's subject; English usage does. Wikipedia has no rule that titles must be written in certain characters, or that certain characters may not be used. Versions of a name which differ only in the use or non-use of modified letters should be treated like any other versions: Follow the general usage in English verifiable reliable sources in each case, whatever characters may or may not be used in them." So, if reliable sources use them, there's no reason we shouldn't. --Elliskev 23:44, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

See below for more discussion. Apparently there are no accents in Filipino orthography. -- JackofOz (talk) 10:24, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

What's written below is a fact. Why was the article reverted to its earlier version?

"However, her (Aquino's) call for the president's (Macapagal-Arroyo's) resignation was twitted by most of Macapagal-Arroyo's supporters due to her perceived lack of moral integrity to call for such action due to her family's failure to resolve the problem in Hacienda Luisita, a 6000-hectare plantation owned by the Cojuangco family. It can be recalled that in November 2004, 14 people died and hundreds were injured in a clash between the striking poor workers and the military/police. Up to the present, such issue is being hurled against the former president. She was even advised to clean her own backyard first, referring to the 6,000-hectare estate, before dipping her hands in the affairs of the entire 30-million-hectare archipelago."

It is blatantly biased, poorly written, unsourced and unencyclopedic. They may be some of the many reasons that the editor chose to remove this. Rotovia (talk) 13:55, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

If this site is after the truth, why do you write only the good things.Why you have to consider the segment "A Hope that Failed " as vandalism. If you are a Filipino, you know that this is the only true segment

Wikipedia is devoted to NPOV (Neutral Point of View). It is okay to say that some people believe that she failed, but to say or imply that YOU believe that is POV. It is vandalism to deliberately edit an article to inject biased views. It is acceptable to QUOTE a authoritative source with POV, but to present such opinion as if it were objective fact is considered POV, which is against Wikipedia's policy. David Cannon 12:04, 20 Jun 2004 (UTC)

There are alot of Filipinos who do not know the difference between FACT and POINT OF VIEW (opinion). They think their opinion is a fact when it's just an opinion. Not like every filipinos believes and think the same as them.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.234.167.127 (talk) 00:29, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

David you are a liar if you will say that you don't learn a thing from the " A hope that Failed " article

You (I can only call you "you" because you have not identified yourself) need to have a look at the HISTORY button at the top of the article. You will see that I did not write this article and my involvement with it has been minimal. Yes, I'll admit I am an admirer of this woman, though I **AM NOT** blind to her shortcomings. What you wrote, I have heard before. That said, there is no place for blatant POV in Wikipedia. That's a no-no. As I said, there is nothing wrong with *ATTRIBUTING* POV to a source. You can quote some politician, or professor, or journalist, making it clear that you are quoting a source and are not stating opinion as fact. Likewise, it is acceptable to say that some believe that she failed. To say that "some believe" - or even "many believe" - that she failed is not the same as saying that she did fail. You need to distinguish the relative from the absolute here, and you've been failing to do that.

If I had more time, I would rewrite what you've written, rather than just snuffing it. Right now I'm busy preparing lessons for my students for the next semester, which is why I've hardly had a look in at Wikipedia since the end of May. Hopefully, the next month will afford me the time to return to Wikipedia. Then I might be able to work out a way to include some of your sentiments in the article as third-party opinion. There are some parts of what you wrote that could be salvaged, but doing so is, to be perfectly frank with you, like trying to find a lost gold ring in a room strewn with articles of lesser value. You obviously write good English, and it would be a wonderful thing if you could learn to distinguish fact from opinion, the relative from the absolute. But don't go around writing biased articles purporting to be fact. That's anti-Wiki. David Cannon 11:32, 21 Jun 2004 (UTC)

My sincere apology - I am really sorry for the mess. It was really too late for me to know about your NPOV rules. The feeling was like the enjoyment of riding a new race car, leting it run too fast, then suddenly you realize that there is no brake. Again, my apology.

Thank you, that's appreciated I think. Don't worry about it too much, it takes a while for most people to learn the ropes here. I for one am looking forward to seeing an article on Yay Marking. - Hephaestos|§ 05:58, 22 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Ok

Vandalism by 70.245.239.2

What should be done with his nonsense 'pubic hair' and 'bananas' vandalism?--Dan2paul (talk) 02:22, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Revert the edits and warn him. Can someone protect this? --Eaglestorm (talk) 03:04, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Already changed but not by undoing.--Dan2paul (talk) 13:37, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Protect this, please

EN: We were tagged "Slaves" as I viewed those un-named vandals. It is unfair, unjust and racist. We Filipinos stand on our own, we helped the world as much as they helped us, why say that?.. I don't understand..
President Corazon Aquino has been a great contributor to Philippine and world history and deserves further preservation. Please, protect this. search the news anywhere, you'll find her.

TL: Tinawag tayong mga alipin ng isang tontong banyaga! Hindi ito pantay sa lahat, hindi makatarungan, at pangaapi, Hindi ako pumapayag. Tayong mga Pilipino ay nakatatyo ng mag-isa, tumutulong tayo sa mundo na katumbas sa pag-tulong nila, bakit kailangan mag-sabi ng ganon?... hindi ko maintindihan...
Ang Pangulong Corazon Aquino ay isang di-matatawarang bayani ng demokrasya sa Pilipinas at sa buong mundo at tama lang na bigyan ng pagtatanggol, mangyari sana. JoshuaCruzPhilippines 16:05, 4 August 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mjcruz (talk • contribs)

Where are those edits then? It seems that you never added or reverted those accusations you had.--JL 09^{Talk to me!} 16:16, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

They were all reverted, do you read the history of contributions? am I not the only one reacting? look up kid. dapat bang sumalungat ka sa panawagan ko isko?
JoshuaCruzPhilippines 16:56, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

You must know that Wikipedia is not a mainstream of ideas, it is an encyclopedia. Perhaps they were all reverted because it point out personal point of view.When I am reviewing your edits, it seems that you never added any to this article. And please, this article regarding our past president is not an active advocacy page that will advertise any person or organization on its height, you may notice that statements that were given especially regarded into something that points out individual point of view are removed. I am not against with your announcement or whatsoever, but please abide by Wikipedia rules. When editing Wikipedia, please assume good faith, its contents are representing fairly, and as far as possible without bias, all significant views and finally, use ~~~~ inserting your edits on talk pages.--JL 09^{Talk to me!} 08:18, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

I understand, perhaps we just have two different views, you be a good engineer. JoshuaCruzPhilippines 13:51, 5 August 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mjcruz (talk • contribs)

"first female president and the first elected female head of state in Asia"

The lead says. "Aquino was also the first female president and the first elected female head of state in Asia." But aren't "president" and "elected head of state" pretty well the same thing? I suggest the president bit be removed, so it simply says "Aquino was also the first elected female head of state in Asia." Peter Ballard (talk) 08:38, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

This also depends on the status of India as a subcontinent which may mean that the name Indira Gandhi means something. Britmax (talk) 09:32, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

I think the point is the Prime Minister of India is not the head of state, the President is; so Gandhi was not the Indian Head of State. Peter Ballard (talk) 11:19, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Good Point. Britmax (talk) 17:47, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Primary photo

I don't know who changed the photo of Corazon Aquino on this article's infobox. The one that she is wearing yellow shows her privilege speech somewhere (I think it is at US Congress' or Defense Department of US, something like that) is more powerful than the present picture now. It is duplicated by the use of the same picture in the end-footer template. Her picture showing privilege speech is better than the one today, especially that was considered to be one of the best highlights of her term, yet that photo was not used in this article.--JL 09 ^_q?_{_c} 12:28, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

On the issue of article's Primary Photo

You're right, it looks like it was cropped, has very low quality, a bit blurry, and doesn't really look suitable to be the primary photo for this article. Maybe someone could change it and return the original one? The one where she was delivering a speech in a military base? (which was made the primary photo just days after President Aquino's death and obviously, more suitable to be the PP.)

User:Stevenphil - Free Filipino! 15:31, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

I changed it to the current admittedly grainy photo. The one I changed it from is the one where she is in blue currently used in the Corazon Cojuangco–Aquino navbox near the bottom of the article page. I do not like that photo. The one where she is in yellow giving a speech at an air base is better but not something to set your heart on fire either. Change it to that if you want, no objections from me. The real solution though is to find a better public domain or Collective Commons photo of her. It is outrageous that with so many beautiful photos of her there are so few that are indisputably in the public realm--and from American government sources at that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lambanog (talk • contribs) 17:06, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Bias and Bad Grammar!

There is a lot of bias towards Aquino and quite a bit of bad grammar in this article, suggesting that it was written by an ardent supporter, probably one or more IP users; I will check the history page and report back when I have time, unless someone else does it first. ;-) Ptharien's Flame (Alexanderaltman) 02:29, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Actually, the article was more neutral until sometime in October, when some anon IP rewrote everything. I even considered rollbacking to the version before he worked on it. --Eaglestorm (talk) 02:39, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Never elected

What is so wrong about mentioning that Aquino came to power only through an uprising, but not through election? That should be also emphasized. In 1986, there was no other election held after February. --Bone1234 (talk) 13:29, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Aquino won the 1986 elections when the 'official results' were nullified when it was revealed that Marcos cheated.--Carsjme (talk) 07:19, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Revolutionary Government of 1896

According to my research President Aquino establish a revolutionary government from March 14, 1896 to February 2, 1987 that sovereign power comes from the people and not from 1973 constitution. Later, Proclamation no.3 other wise known as Provisional constitution of the Philippines was enforce. It consist seven articles. Neptali Gonzalez II penned the constitution, the purpose of this de facto government is to prepare the people for governmental transition.

If possible please include this and the upper one (nomination of Nobel Peace Prize [2]) to the article...-121.54.2.91 (talk) 16:18, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

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POV sentence

I edited out a sentence that states "Ironically enough own back yard was filled with oppressed workers." Not only did this sentence not make any sense, but it also seemed extremely POV to me, and sounded like a political attack on her, possibly from a communist source, that disliked her during her presidency.

I do not know who put it in, or what rational it was based on, but it made no sense, was un-sourced and sounded like a judgement rather than a fact, therefore I deleted it. 216.201.33.20 02:18, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Substantially, the sentence is correct but formulation is quite awkard. 49.145.85.9 (talk) 09:51, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Is her name correct?

Corazon looks like corazón (Spanish: "heart"). Should their be an accent over the final letter o, i.e. corazón instead of corazon? ~~ Dr Dec (Talk) ~~ 10:00, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

No. It's a Filipino name. See Filipino orthography. William Avery (talk) 10:08, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Filipino names do not use accents in vowels, the only Filipino-used letter which entails an accent is the letter "ñ", please see WP:MOSPHIL. --TitanOne (talk) 06:46, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

That thing over the 'n' is not an accent! It’s just a tilde (they are related but aren’t the same thing). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.166.6.178 (talk) 19:23, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Requested move 10 April 2015

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The result of the move request was: not moved. ErikHaugen (talk | contribs) 07:21, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Corazon Aquino → Cory Aquino – Yes, obituaries of her usually use her full name as a header (although almost invariably including the shortened version in the body of the article), but when she was big in world news (as she was for some time) she was usually referred to by the media simply as Cory Aquino. While I don't think it's imperative that the article is moved, I think a discussion would be useful. -- Necrothesp (talk) 08:27, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

Oppose. We don't use Ninoy, Noynoy, Erap, or Bongbong, so why start using nicknames now? — AjaxSmack 03:18, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
- Because most people outside the Philippines have never heard of them! That's not the case with Cory Aquino. In any case, not using nicknames for other people is not a valid argument: WP:COMMONNAME is. -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:31, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
Oppose – In the US news at least, it was always Corazon. Dicklyon (talk) 14:29, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
Oppose - In settling names, we'd only use "Cory" if people refer her as such, with "Corazon" being used sparingly, if at all (as what was formerly done for Noynoy). This isn't the case for Corazon, as people know that "Cory" stands for "Corazon". As presidents (and perhaps vice presidents and many senators), people start referring to their birth names once they attain those offices. Of course there could be cases such as Mar Roxas (I don't think people realize he's named "Manuel") but it's a case by case basis, IMHO. I'd argue Ninoy is in the same case but that's just me... 111.235.89.94 (talk) 20:15, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
Comment. In Britain, where I'm from, she was almost invariably referred to as Cory Aquino in her day (most people probably wouldn't even have recognised her as Corazon), but maybe we're unusual. -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:31, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
I'd reckon a great majority of reliable sources in English about this person comes from the Philippines, right? So there's an idea that we'd follow what most Philippine sources say. With that said, I'd say it's split. Google searches (not exclusively to the Philippines) have 438k hits for "Corazon Aquino", while "Cory Aquino" has 482k hits. Like I said, it's split. –H T D 14:37, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Oppose - At least a 2:1 advantage to "Corazon" at Ngram [3]. Having been stationed in the PI during her rise to power, the commonname is "Corazon" not "Cory". --Mike Cline (talk) 14:09, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

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This article is almost a "Puff Piece"

For the most part, this entire article is almost a puff piece, is totally supportive and is hardly politically neutral. No, or little, mention is made of the many criticisms of the regime and the charges of corruption that were leveled at Aquino and her administration. Also, much is said within the text that is not supported by references. The article has too many characteristics of personal opinion or personal viewpoint and it should be rewritten with a complete, balanced presentation.

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Prime Minister discussion

Please see the discussion at Talk:Prime Minister of the Philippines#Prime Minister office assertions prior to 1978 appear problematic and comment there as appropriate. Thank you. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 15:25, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Aquino

The article sometimes uses the short form Aquino referring to Corazon, and sometimes to her husband. If you know the story, it isn't hard to figure out, but then you might not be reading this. Gah4 (talk) 04:28, 11 August 2020 (UTC)