Talk:Cultural impact of Wonder Woman

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Sources[edit]

While fixing up the page, I discovered some nifty sources. These might be useful in developing/expanding/improving the article. As I come across more, I will add them. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 13:54, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

  • School Library Journal - "An enlightening look at the feminist ideals that informed this American icon"
  • Girl-Wonder.org - "Wonder Woman: Lesbian or Dyke? - "Paradise Island as a Woman's Community"
  • Trina Robbins' website - the author of the article above
  • Arttorents.Blogspot.com - "Dara Birnbaum - Technology/Transformation: Wonder Woman (1978)" - I am unsure of the usability of this reference, being from a blog by an author who appears to not be notable. What she has to say is pretty academic, though.
  • Press and Guide - "Super-hero Wonder Woman turns 70" - useful info about why the movie hasn't been made as seen in a cultural light
  • NY Times - "Massachusetts Democrats Meet in First Senate Debate" - article notes a nonsequitur question where candidate Elizabeth Warren is asked which superhero she'd be (WW, of course)
  • Google Books - "The Ten-Cent Plague: The Great Comic-Book Scare and How It Changed America" by David Hajdu
  • Amazon - I'm Not Wonder Woman But God Made Me Wonderful! - book about women resolving their need to live up to unrealistic expectations
  • Amazon - Wonder Woman: The Myth of Having It All - another book in the same vein as above
  • Women of Wonder Day - a Wonder Woman themed charitable event held during National Domestic Violence Awareness Month
  • Wonder Woman Museum - a good place to start observing the cultural impact of the character
  • Wonder Woman Collectors - another good place to start observing.
  • Amazon - Wonder Women: Feminisms and Superheroes
  • Amazon - What Would Wonder Woman Do?: An Amazon's Guide to the Working World
  • Rotten Tomatoes - excepts from Sr. Wertham's criticisms of WW

references in other media[edit]

User: Fvcbcs removed a lot of material, and while I am guessing most of it should eventually be culled, I think that it should be looked at and discussed at least. I've reverted the removal in hopes that discussion will now kick in. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 04:50, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

I am not sure the wikilinking of the various references in other media is useful. Most of these references are fleeting at best and not very notable. I am loathe to simply undo the work of another editor, and would welcome some discussion on how to proceed. Despite the fact that these edits occurred while the {{inuse}} template was in place, I think it might be good to discuss these appearances in television; I was about to pare them down significantly. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 17:24, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Target content[edit]

Referring to a [Talk:Cultural_impact_of_Wonder_Woman#Title_change years' old discussion] here in talk, I think that the article continues to sufer from a lack of focus. Indeed, this article isn't supposed to reference every time the character is mentioned or the costume is seen. Granted, it's all part of the cultural impact of the character, but it would seem to me that the cultural impact goes beyond vague references in episodes of Frasier, Scrubs and The Simpsons. These latter references are part of the trickling down of that cultural impact, and not the point of the article, imo. I'd like to get some input of this topic before I engage in a large-scale rewrite of the article.
I envision breaking this article into two subsidiaries of the main Wonder Woman article: this one, and one entitled "In other media", which would detail all the cartoon and television appearances. The comic book references should be mentioned but frankly, there are more pertinent literary references, and not just scholarly ones. The comic book depictions of Wonder Woman as well as the retconning of her origin (imo, itself a telling indicator of who the character has evolved socially over the decades) are important, but not as a listing of the various trade paperbacks. Reviews of those can help build a profile of how Wonder Woman is seen in a cultural perspective. Thoughts? - Jack Sebastian (talk) 18:52, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Removed material: "In other media; animation, comic strips, film, television and games"[edit]

I think the hidden material above would serve as excellent material for a Wonder Woman sub-article about the character in other media. Noting where WW shows up in the public consciousness is immaterial without an explanation as to the specific cultural value of that appearance. Summarizing them instead seems to be more helpful. Thoughts? - Jack Sebastian (talk) 17:40, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

I went ahead and created the article. Feel free to make any necessary changes as you see fit.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 13:08, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. I would have been bold as well, but every time I do that, you'd be amazed at the opposition that emerges from the paneling. :) - Jack Sebastian (talk) 14:38, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Lead image in article[edit]

It's significant and shocking, but really - given Wonder Woman and everything she symbolises to people, is the very first picture we want to show in this article one of her weak, helpless and dying?

I know very well it is not meant that way, but the positioning smacks of some sort of resentful, vengeful sexism. It's one of those first-impression reactions on my part.

Surely there could be additional illustrations added, and this one moved to a more topical section of discussion.

Corgi (talk) 22:09, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

I was the editor who added the image, and I added the analogous one to Superman too. I think they are intriguing images from a powerful campaign, but I am largely indifferent to where they are positioned. I notice there are two images in the article so I have no objection to swapping them over. Betty Logan (talk) 23:58, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
I think front image is great for the article, but I think the image fails as an effective lead image because of its uniqueness. Indeed there may not be a such an image that meets WP:LEADIMAGE and per the style guide I would be in favor having any lead image. Docarc (talk) 04:42, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

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