Talk:David Morse (actor)

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Good article David Morse (actor) has been listed as one of the Media and drama good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
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Date Process Result
August 5, 2008 Good article nominee Not listed
August 20, 2008 Good article nominee Listed
Current status: Good article

Sons' Names[edit]

I'm posting the means by which I discovered his sons' names, because they are not mentioned in any article of him, and I don't want people thinking I made them up. After reading an interview in which he said his twin sons were toddlers at the time of the 1994 Earthquake, I went to an online database of the California Birth Index. I found records for two males born on the same day in 1991 in Los Angeles County: Benjamin Bowditch Morse and Samuel Wheeler Morse-- Wheeler being the middle name of Morse's wife, and Bowditch being his own middle name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.193.141.160 (talk) 19:42, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Boomer[edit]

I recall from the St. Elsewhere days that his character was given the nickname "Boomer" as an in-joke, since Morse had tried out for (and failed to get) the lead in Here's Boomer. Nothing found with an online search, though, connecting him to the show in any way. Maybe somebody has an old TV Guide? --Dhartung | Talk 09:55, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Type Cast?[edit]

Anyone think David Morse is type cast as a jerk or sadistic creep? Just look at his recent films or television shows. He plays the bad guy that is unyieldingly unsympathetic. Even "Dancer in the Darkness" showed him as a jerk. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.94.140.69 (talk) 18:30, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Despite his early days as the kind hearted Boomer on St. Elsewhere, he sure has had a pattern of playing creepy characters. It's not an encyclopedic fact, but maybe it has a place in this article. Has he made some sort of public statement about the type of character he prefers? --98.209.0.57 (talk) 14:57, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

GA Review[edit]

Transcluded from Talk:David Morse (actor)/GA1

GA review (see here for criteria)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose): b (MoS):
    "unfortunately" in the lead? "And he had starring roles in..." don't start a sentence with and. "In addition to this Morse was a guest star on Homicide: Life on the Street, as Detective Tim Bayliss (Kyle Secor) his racist cousin." I'm not sure who was the racist cousin of whom. "For his performance in the 1997 Off-Broadway production of Paula Vogel’s Pulitzer Prize-winning drama How I Learned to Drive, he was awarded Obie, Drama League, Drama Desk and Lucille Lortel Award." Award singular? Not encyclopedic voice.
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
    IMDB is not a reliable source, nor does Celebrity Wonder appear to be. Given his career, there should be better sources out there for him.
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
    per comments on 1, above, the prose clearly shows the primary author(s) is/are fans.
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars etc.:
    Seems to have been changing a bit, although recent changes look more like cleanup than edit wars.
  6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
    Only one image, and that fair use. A headshot of the actor, not in costume, would be preferred and would add to the infobox.
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:
    Fix the voice, the image, and the sources, and reapply. The article is enjoyable ro read, doesn't appear to have any BLP violations, but isn't up to GA quality yet. Jclemens (talk) 20:33, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Note: Just because IMDb is not a reliable source doesn't mean you have to remove all references to it, but you should seek better sources to augment it and confirm what it says. IMDB is better than nothing--WP:RS/N has discussed just how far to trust it many times. Jclemens (talk) 15:00, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, most of the IMDb references were unnecessary, but then again, most of them are replaced with better sources if available. Music2611 (talk) 16:31, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:David Morse (actor)/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Lead
  • "Later on he had roles in movies such as Stephen King's The Langoliers, The Crossing Guard, The Green Mile, The Rock and Twelve Monkeys." Why are these more relevant than other movies he has been in?
  • "In 2006, he had a recurring role as Det. Michael Tritter on the medical drama House gaining Morse an Emmy Award nomination." I suggest re-wording this, to "In 2006, ..., which gained him ..."
  • "Most recently Morse portrayed George Washington on the HBO miniseries John Adams for which he is currently nominated for another Emmy Award." Most recently dates the sentence, perhaps change it to a specific date. Also don't use currently unless absolutely vital per WP:DATE.
  • "But his most famous theatre performance was his portrayal of Uncle Peck on the Off-Broadway play How I Learned to Drive for which he earned a Drama Desk and Obie Award." Change but to however. Or re-write. If this is his most famous theatre performance, it would look better higher up, or even simply just before The Seaferer.
Early life
  • "He has three younger sisters." Needs a ref.
  • "Morse is 6' 4" (or 1.93 m) and has blue eyes." Ditto. Secondly see WP:UNITS on how to properly write 6ft 4in. I would suggest using the {{convert}} template, since it does all the hard work for you.
Career
  • "Morse studied acting at the William Esper Studio. He began his acting career in the theatre as a player for the Boston Repertory Theatre in the early 1970s. He spent some time in New York's theatre community in the early 1980s before moving into television and film." Each sentence needs a reference.
  • "After the finale of St. Elsewhere in 1988, Morse went on to appear as a supporting character in films such as The Good Son, The Rock, Twelve Monkeys, The Long Kiss Goodnight, Contact, and The Negotiator. Morse had starring roles in The Indian Runner and The Crossing Guard, which were the first two films written and directed by Sean Penn. He has also appeared in three adaptations of Stephen King stories, The Langoliers, Hearts in Atlantis, and The Green Mile. In addition to this Morse was a guest star on Homicide: Life on the Street, as the racist cousin of Detective Tim Bayliss (Kyle Secor)." What makes these films relevant to his career? Did he win any awards? How were the films received by critics? This whole section could really be expanded an awful lot.
  • "Around 2002, Morse starred as Mike Olshansky, an ex-Philadelphia police officer turned cab driver," Around is very vague. It needs to be an exact date.
  • "Around 2006," ditto.
Theatre
  • "In addition to his film and television career, Morse has continued to appear on stage." Why do you say "continued to"? It's the first time you've mentioned it, so it doesn't make much sense.
  • "In 2007/2008, Morse appeared on Broadway in Conor McPherson's The Seafarer." Which was it 2007 or 2008? If both, say so, i.e. From 2007 to 2008, or In 2007 and 2008.
Personal life
  • Unreferenced.
General
  • References should be placed immediately after punctuation. See WP:CITE.
  • Don't force image sizes. See WP:IMAGE.
  • Date ranges should have endashes. E.g. in the table 1982–1988. See WP:DASH.

A lot to do, but I'll put it on hold. Peanut4 (talk) 15:51, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Comment[edit]

Hello Peanut4, before I start, I would like to thank you for putting the article on hold and not just deleting it from the list; second of all I've increased the article, you can read below how.

Lead
  • "Later on he had roles in movies such as Stephen King's The Langoliers, The Crossing Guard, The Green Mile, The Rock and Twelve Monkeys." Why are these more relevant than other movies he has been in? - I've changed some of the movies to movies wich performed very well at the box office.
  • "In 2006, he had a recurring role as Det. Michael Tritter on the medical drama House gaining Morse an Emmy Award nomination." I suggest re-wording this, to "In 2006, ..., which gained him ..." - done
  • "Most recently Morse portrayed George Washington on the HBO miniseries John Adams for which he is currently nominated for another Emmy Award." Most recently dates the sentence, perhaps change it to a specific date. Also don't use currently unless absolutely vital per WP:DATE. done
  • "But his most famous theatre performance was his portrayal of Uncle Peck on the Off-Broadway play How I Learned to Drive for which he earned a Drama Desk and Obie Award." Change but to however. Or re-write. If this is his most famous theatre performance, it would look better higher up, or even simply just before The Seaferer. - done
Early life
  • "He has three younger sisters." Needs a ref. done
  • "Morse is 6' 4" (or 1.93 m) and has blue eyes." Ditto. Secondly see WP:UNITS on how to properly write 6ft 4in. I would suggest using the {{convert}} template, since it does all the hard work for you. - done
Career
  • "Morse studied acting at the William Esper Studio. He began his acting career in the theatre as a player for the Boston Repertory Theatre in the early 1970s. He spent some time in New York's theatre community in the early 1980s before moving into television and film." Each sentence needs a reference. - done
  • "After the finale of St. Elsewhere in 1988, Morse went on to appear as a supporting character in films such as The Good Son, The Rock, Twelve Monkeys, The Long Kiss Goodnight, Contact, and The Negotiator. Morse had starring roles in The Indian Runner and The Crossing Guard, which were the first two films written and directed by Sean Penn. He has also appeared in three adaptations of Stephen King stories, The Langoliers, Hearts in Atlantis, and The Green Mile. In addition to this Morse was a guest star on Homicide: Life on the Street, as the racist cousin of Detective Tim Bayliss (Kyle Secor)." What makes these films relevant to his career? Did he win any awards? How were the films received by critics? This whole section could really be expanded an awful lot. - Working on it
  • "Around 2002, Morse starred as Mike Olshansky, an ex-Philadelphia police officer turned cab driver," Around is very vague. It needs to be an exact date. - check
  • "Around 2006," ditto. - ditto
Theatre
  • "In addition to his film and television career, Morse has continued to appear on stage." Why do you say "continued to"? It's the first time you've mentioned it, so it doesn't make much sense. - Read the first few lines of the "career senteces"; it says clearly: Morse studied acting at the William Esper Studio. He began his acting career in the theatre as a player for the Boston Repertory Theatre in the early 1970s. He spent some time in New York's theatre community in the early 1980s before moving into television and film.
  • "In 2007/2008, Morse appeared on Broadway in Conor McPherson's The Seafarer." Which was it 2007 or 2008? If both, say so, i.e. From 2007 to 2008, or In 2007 and 2008. - From 2007 to 2008
Personal life
  • Unreferenced. - not anymore
General
  • References should be placed immediately after punctuation. See WP:CITE. As far as I know I didn't do anything wrong in the first place, please be a little bit more specific, where did I put the ref before the punctiation?
  • Don't force image sizes. See WP:IMAGE. - Well, alright, but I still find the image a bit tiny.
  • Date ranges should have endashes. E.g. in the table 1982–1988. See WP:DASH. done

If you have any comment, I would be glad to hear it. Music2611 (talk) 11:37, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Second review

Pretty much all done.

  • Let me know when you've expanded part of the career section.
  • None of the references were before the punctuation, but many had a space between the punctuation and ref. There shouldn't be any space.
  • I still feel the personal life needs more referencing. Peanut4 (talk) 21:51, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
Second comment
  • I've finished the career section, is it good?
  • I think there's no space between any of the references.
  • There are some more references in the personal life section, and the "sugar allergy" part is deleted since there are no reliable sources that confirm this. Music2611 (talk) 13:41, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
    • I've tagged two claims in the personal life section which need referencing. Peanut4 (talk) 20:04, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
I've placed one reference that covers both The Indian Runner and The Crossing Guard, I couldn't find any reliable sources for The Rock so I've deleted it. --Music26/11 13:58, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Sorry to come back with one more point. The lead is too long per WP:LEAD. It should only be two paragraphs. Peanut4 (talk) 21:12, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
    • No problem, I've fixed the lead into two paragraphs. --Music26/11 16:08, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
GA review (see here for criteria)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose): b (MoS):
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars etc.:
  6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:

Well done. Everything meets the criteria now. Some nice improvements during the GA process. Good luck with further expansion, improvement and the future of the article. Peanut4 (talk) 18:42, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Fact I Did Not Insert[edit]

In July 2014 I spotted David Morse's handprint and autograph imprinted into the concrete plaza beside the Palais des Festivals et des Congrès (uncharitably known locally as "le bunker") in Cannes, the primary venue of Le Festival International du Film de Cannes, the Cannes Film Festival. I realize that this is considered "original research" and I can't imagine finding a published reference to it (maybe in the local Nice Matin newspaper if I could recover the date). It was particularly memorable to me because I was a member of the Boston Repertory Theater (a volunteer, actually) along with Dave in the 1970's.
Dick Kimball (talk) 19:49, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

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