Talk:Dinamo–Red Star riot

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"incensed by the actions of their rivals - attempted to storm the field half an hour later, but were quickly attacked by the Serbian-dominated police who were lenient towards the visiting fans"

Surely this is subjective (and borderline propaganda). I recommend this part is changed or deleted.

Nikola Lilic Jnr. (talk) 22:07, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Boderline propaganda? In what way, pray? The fact that the (heavily) Serbian-dominated police were beating incessantly on BBB fans is documented, no one denies it. --Jesuislafete (talk) 05:55, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The reason it is propaganda is that it gives a reasoning for storming the field - it's the rivals fault, ofcourse. Then it claims the police attacked them and further claims that the police were lenient towards the Red Star fans.

It is well known that at the time the police incessantly beat anyone who was showing inappropriate nationalism in the public - not just Croats. And that had been the case since the dawn of SFRJ.

So in answer to your question: yes, no one denies the police beat up the Dinamo fans but they were not lenient towards the Red Star fans.

Nikola Lilic Jnr. (talk) 22:09, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This event is heavily distorted in public perception. The reason why Dinamo fans bore the brunt of police beating is simple: they broke onto the field. You are not supposed to do that. In football stadiums everywhere in the world, if you barge onto the football field, you'll get beaten by the security. Zvezda fans largely kept to the stands, and were therefore (and rightly so) uninteresting to the police. This has nothing to do with "lenience". "Serbian-dominated police" is therefore missing the point, even if it's true. Deleted. GregorB (talk) 14:39, 14 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

What was the result?

1-1 ? Böri (talk) 13:27, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 19 January 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 22:51, 26 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Dinamo–Red Star riot → Dinamo – Red Star riot – Dinamo and Red are not opposed entities but Dinamo and Red Star. 5.43.83.177 (talk) 21:51, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. Giant Snowman 12:40, 20 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - the current format is suitable and well established, see e.g. England–Germany football rivalry and similar. GiantSnowman 12:44, 20 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- But the nominator's point was that the current name could just as well mean a "Star riot" between "Dinamo" and "Red". JIP | Talk 22:32, 20 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: I don't think the current form implies opposition and I don't think the proposed form indicates a different relationship. See MOS:ENBETWEEN and its example of "a New York–Los Angeles flight". I also note that the article says that "Tension between Dinamo Zagreb and Red Star Belgrade was always high". — BarrelProof (talk) 02:13, 21 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The current formatting is standard across en.wiki. Amanuensis Balkanicus (talk) 17:18, 21 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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